Stop the hand-wringing, please
Matt is (rightly) annoyed by all of the talk about supporting a third-party candidate, in light of Obama’s moves to the right:
All of this makes me a bit peeved when I see this tribute to Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente, the Green Party candidates. There are all the usual arguments about not being afraid of spoiling, actually supporting candidates whose ideas you agree with and what not. But there’s no real way to get around the central problem with supporting left-wing third party candidates - it’s taking away votes from Democrats, it’s a de facto vote for McCain and will do very little to move Democrats to the left.
I think that all of this hand-wringing, and talk about supporting third-party candidates can be traced to one particular mistake a lot of left-liberals seem to be making. Namely, they don’t seem to understand that in a two-party system neither party is ideologically pure. The Democratic and Republican Party’s are “big tents” and every sense of the tired, overused phrase. Each party contains a wide diversity of interests and groups - some even opposed to others - which vote together only because of a few shared convictions. Yes, it’s possible to move a party to the left or right, but on the whole, it will still be a fairly marginal push. Obama, for example, is more liberal than most Democrats, but still falls squarely within the mainstream consensus, and it’s important for left-liberals to understand this. In fact, I actually find it kind of silly to criticize presidential candidates for not being liberal/conservative enough, because (and especially for Democrats) at that level, it should be a given that the candidate will tend towards the center; ideological orthodoxy doesn’t win primaries, much less actual elections. In fact, I’m certain that if Cynthia McKinney or Ralph Nader were a major party nominee, they would compromise and equivocate just as much as Obama or McCain, because that’s the nature of major party politics. Third-parties are ideologically pure more out of circumstances - they aren’t particularly influential - than conviction.
But, if you’re intent on voting for a third-party, that is your right. Keep in mind though, that if you’re out to effect some sort of change on the party system, your vote - or even a couple hundred thousand of votes - won’t have any real impact on the direction of the party you want to punish. Keep in mind that it wasn’t Nader which pushed the Democratic Party a bit to the left, it was the concerted effort of activists to change the party at the local and grassroots level. As Matt said, if you’re really upset with the party’s direction, you’re focus should be on mounting primary challenges to Democrats you feel are insufficiently liberal. Because, even if you lose, you will have gained enough influence to force a change in the Democrat’s position. And if you win, you will have done your part to move the party a little bit in your favored direction.
Cross-posted from The United States of Jamerica


I am not for supporting a third party candidate, but Obama has to be pressured into growing a pair of testicles, and not make shifts such as the one he made regarding offshore drilling just because people are too dumb to realize that drilling won't decrease prices until 2025, and even then, the impact will be small.
August 5, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ever occur to you that Obama might be saying what he means and not acting out of expediency? His "testicles" are large enough already, thank you!
August 5, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Expediency 24x7. Testicular inspection noted, though objective measurements would be more scientific.
August 5, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
"not make shifts such as the one he made regarding offshore drilling just because people are too dumb to realize.."
Frankly, the dumb thing would be not to recognise how pivotal this was becoming as a swing vote issue that could on its own lose him the election. Maybe you hadn't noticed that he was being portrayed as Dr. No?
I think the way he's responded to that is superb - that he hasn't personally changed his mind but is willing to compromise on it in order to get a bipartisan solution. Hopefully it defuses the Dr No theme, downplays the importance of offshore drilling and emphasises a conservation package; more importantly it lends the impression of substance to his bipartisan meme.
Where the entire debate is depressing lies in his comment that adaptation for climate change is going to mean people make sacrifices. It's stunningly obvious that nobody takes any notice of that, asks him what that means, or is prepared to do it. Hell, I don't think McCain is bright enough to even understand what he's talking about when he says he supports a cap on carbon trade emissions.
`No new taxes?` The man doesn't have a frigging clue - and the moment someone actually does get this through to the public and McCain, he'll run away from it so fast you won't be able to see him for dust.
It's not the details of this election that are so depressing. It's the underlying reality that most of the public doesn't have the first idea what's really going on.
China and India are set to begin building 850 new coal powered plants over the next few years. What can make them go to `clean coal`? Nothing other than subsidies from the AINs. How do you think Americans will react to being asked to pay higher taxes in order to subsidise China and India?
Alice's tea party looks sane and rational cf what's going on now.
August 5, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
truthseeker77 don't you realize that he was taking the gun out of McCain's hands and firing it at him? I mean the polling showed that people want offshore drilling with both candidates admitting that it wouldn't make a difference for a decade... but hurting consumers want SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING... so, okay, Obama says we'll give you offshore drilling in exchange for some movement on the kind of sustainable and renewable resources that will eventually get us out of the tarpit. Smart.
August 5, 2008 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ya know, it seems to some "progressives" and "liberals" that it's more important to be right and make your point than to actually get something done. I am growing tired of the critics of Obama nit picking and asking him to jump higher, higher, higher. Ya want your shit to matter? Then stop attacking the guy who comes closest to getting it done. Ya wanna feel self righteous and holier than thou, then pile on Obama and then go lick your wounds when McCain wins. Fucking losers, you are. Who is closer to your values? Just think about that and vote for him. Making him perfect ain't gonna happen. But McCain? You want him? Then keep tearing away at Obama. Jesus Christ.
August 5, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fact is, Obama keeps moving closer to McCain, and there's soon going to be little difference between the two. Obama's a consummate politician, and even if elected, he's not going to go too far left because he knows he wouldn't get re-elected and the dems will lose congress.
I never jumped onto the Obamatrain, because it's obvious he's just another politician. Anyone who deifies him is ignorant and running on fumes. He's a friggin' liar, and I lost all respect for him when he decided to go for the money instead of principles. And his whole NAFTA double-speak, oil-drilling position change, Iraq war capitulation - what do you expect? He's just another big fat liar, and even has the gumption to insist "my position has never changed." I literally cannot stand the guy. I'm sitting out this year again, but I almost feel like voting for McCain because he actually has a record of bipartisanship and getting crap done. Ughhh...
August 6, 2008 12:41 AM | Reply | Permalink