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Slate: Racism is McCain's only hope
I know this isn't exaclty a newsflash, and is fairly obvious for a while now. But Slate's Jascob Weisberg stops the charade and tells it like it is: It's all about race. The inspiring talented Obama is only close to the befuddled backward-looking McCain for one reason: racial prejudice. I have to agree. All the MSM euphemisms and laundry list of supposed reasons for the race being tight are, at the end of the day, 100% bunk.
If it makes you feel better, you can rationalize Obama's missing
10-point lead on the basis of Clintonite sulkiness, his slowness in
responding to attacks, or the concern that Obama may be too handsome,
brilliant, and cool to be elected. But let's be honest: If you break
the numbers down, the reason Obama isn't ahead right now is that he
trails badly among one group, older white voters. He does so for a
simple reason: the color of his skin.
Of course, playing up the racism issue won't help us. I know that. Calling out the subtle and not-so-subtle racist tactics of McCain-Rove & Co, will only help them. But I thought this article deserved attention nonetheless.
It ends with this ominous warning. And perhaps this is the more important point. A choice of McCain might signal the end of America's preeminence, a moment when a courageous forward-looking nation that led technological and democratic revolutions lost its nerve and succumbed to fear and prejudice once and for all.
Choosing John McCain, in particular, would herald the construction of a bridge to the 20th
century—and not necessarily the last part of it, either. McCain
represents a Cold War style of nationalism that doesn't get the shift
from geopolitics to geoeconomics, the centrality of soft power in a
multipolar world, or the transformative nature of digital technology.
This is a matter of attitude as much as age. A lot of 71-year-olds are
still learning and evolving. But in 2008, being flummoxed by that
newfangled doodad, the personal computer, seems like a deal-breaker. At
this hinge moment in human history, McCain's approach to our gravest
problems is hawkish denial. I like and respect the man, but the
maverick has become an ostrich: He wants to deal with the global energy
crisis by drilling and our debt crisis by cutting taxes, and he
responds to security challenges from Georgia to Iran with Bush-like
belligerence and pique.You may or may not agree with Obama's
policy prescriptions, but they are, by and large, serious attempts to
deal with the biggest issues we face: a failing health care system, oil
dependency, income stagnation, and climate change. To the rest of the
world, a rejection of the promise he represents wouldn't just be an odd
choice by the United States. It would be taken for what it would be:
sign and symptom of a nation's historical decline.








Comments (68)
This is so absolutely true. I've experienced it in my own family, and it breaks my heart. I have long felt that affirmative action's time had passed. That we had finally gotten past race as an issue, but it's obvious that is incorrect. Obama's policies are not at issue (or at least not of primary importance.) Its the color of his skin. Just like cockroaches, there are many more racists out there than you see, so if 17% admit it...who knows how high it really is.
We've got our work cut out for us.
August 23, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just moved to New Orleans, so I like the cockroaches metaphor.
August 24, 2008 12:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
yeah, plus the roaches can fly in that area of the country! LOL
It's clear to me that the Repubs are already pushing race to win this election. Would you expect anything less than a campaign that is "chit chatting" with Rove on a regular basis. They will be happy if Obama doesn't defend himself (He's Weak!!!) or does defend himself (Angry Black Man!! Muslem!! Boo!!).
Obama has been fighting that all his life - I'm confident he knows how to handle it.
I'm more concerned with voter fraud, but the spotlight is on this issue - thanks to people like Bobby Kennedy's kid and others, but they are our there in force. Fox News is really pushing their inane agenda against Acorn, which actually combines racism and voter fraud, IMO.
Fortunately, I see this election turning into such a landslide that voter fraud will not even make a dent.
Picking Biden just confirms to me that Obama has a very professional and just damn good staff that knows just what it has to do to win. And they are doing just that.
Thank goodness for that. We are uncomfortably close to an autocracy. Rove calls it "The Permanent Republican Majority."
Whether you are a Repub or not, that should make your hair stand on end.
My friends, that's not Democracy, if you will.
August 24, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I forgot to mention that the probably of an "October Surprise" is increasing exponentially.
Rove's strategy:
1 Voter Fraud/registration "disencouragement"
2 Racism! Boo!! and of course the old Repub standby Terrorists! Boo!!
3 September/October/November "Surprise"
I don't even need to mention "Swiftboating" do I?
August 24, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Spot on. I think Obama just might pull it off. Biden will help ease the fears of the hesitant whites.
August 23, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the Obamabots ever get tired of claiming than anybody who doesn't adore their hypocritical Messiah Barack Obama is a racist, they may notice that the Democrats are about to nominate a junior Senator with no principles whatsoever, a wind-up TV personoid looks like a stuttering boob every time he tries to talk without a script, and the only experience he has of anything except trying to get himself elected is sitting in his "God damn America!" church with Michelle and the rest of his hate-America entourage.
Obama played the race card against Hillary Clinton again and again and again and again and again and again, and now the Obamabots are hoping they can beat McCain with the same old race-baiting.
It isn't working.
Obama is sinking in the polls, and the Obamabots keep screaming "Racist racist racist racist racist racist racist racist racist racist racist..." at everybody, but nobody is impressed any more.
August 23, 2008 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lets clear up a few things.
Obama supporters do not call Obama a Messiah. That has come from those supporting McCain or Clinton.
Every time I read a comment form someone who is not for Obama has something negative to say about Obama, it is generalized at attacks him personally and not on the issues or his policies. Clinton and McCain started the dog whistle with the "elitist" "arrogant" labels that translate to "uppity negro" labels that resonate with people who are uncomfortable with his candidacy.
Second, Trinity is not a racist church. The sermons are very similar commentary that MLK preached. You speaking in generalization that have no foundation or factual basis.
August 23, 2008 11:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama promised to filibuster the FISA bill when he was campaigning in Wisconsin with Feingold, but after Hillary dropped out, the lying son-of-a-bitch broke that promise and every other promise he ever made.
Obama has no principles, he says whatever serves his ambition at the moment, and his disciples get down on all fours and worship whatever the most recent bullshit may be.
Is Obama for or against NAFTA? It depends on the moment. He attacked Hillary about NAFTA again and again, but Obama supported NAFTA-Peru himself.
The lying son-of-a-bitch will promise anything to get himself elected, but he can barely talk without a script, and Obamabots just can't figure out why their hypocritical Messiah is sinking in the polls.
It's time for Obamabots to wake up and realize that Obama is going down in the polls because he's a stuttering boob with no principles whatsoever.
August 24, 2008 12:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
And nobody in the history of the world was ever stupid enough to compare Jeremiah "God damn America!" Wright to Dr. Martin Luther King, except for a bunch of brain-dead Obamabots, who just can't see the difference.
August 24, 2008 12:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jacob! Pay attention!
Here's King:
Here's Wright:
Same idea: God damns sinners. That's what most Christians believe, thus the concept of Hell.
August 24, 2008 4:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, Ripper - you can't see the significant difference in the 2 phrasings? All Christians know excessive pride is a sin, that obeisance to God's will is required, that God is in control and works in mysterious ways, whether trials sent to Job or his tribe sent to wander for 40 years or Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac, or Joseph sold into slavery in Egypt only to become counselor to the king or David slaying Goliath - God can bring up or strike down even his chosen ones. MLK was only invoking a basic message - even the mightiest can be humbled by God if they stray from the path, if they stop seeking the true and righteous way, if they place themselves above God.
This is a far cry from both commanding God to do something - a blasphemy - and from directly condemning America in extremely unflattering terms (for many Christians, "God damn" is not an acceptable term) for highly specific policies - to directly intervene in the minute affairs of man. Rev. Wright's framing is profane and arrogant in itself if looked at from a Christian perspective, forgetting about the prophetic preaching style.
August 24, 2008 7:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tiresome to rehash this, but missing is the context of reflexive "God Bless America" that Wright was disputing.
August 24, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
The full quote includes "God Damn American, that's in the bible..." Whether you agree with it or not, he isn't commanding God, he is referring to what God commanded (if you happen to believe that the bible is the word of God, which I assume he does).
August 24, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
So what of this changes that God Damn America is rather offensive while MLK's construct is more instructive and constrcutive?
August 24, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Des, perhaps the difference in the construct is due tothe fact that Wright was spaking to the few thouand members of his church in a more intimate church setting among people who were his flock to educate and motivate.
King was speaking to a larger, more diverse, national audience in the more timid speech of 40 years ago.
August 24, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Methinks MLK wouldn't have spoken like that in an intimate setting either. Different old school rules, especially in the polite South.
August 24, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I especially love how your usage of boldfacing takes what otherwise would look like an unhinged rant from someone who's allowed anger and bitterness to completely overthrow his thought processes into the very essence of sweet reason.
Hang on to that all that rage and bitterness there, guy. Cling to it as if your very life depended upon it. Only good things can come to you, and to all those around you, as long as you keep the fires of your rightous hatred fanned to white hot intensity.
August 24, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
So predictable, Jacob. Someone challenges your assertions and you change the subject to brand NEW assertions.
Lame, dude. Lame.
August 24, 2008 4:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice try, but your post is great evidence that it is indeed working.
August 24, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
above is a reply to Jacob
August 24, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
People being "impressed" by accusations of racism are not relevant to the question of whether it is in fact racism. It is perfectly predictable that lingering racism would not only hurt Obama but that the same lingering racism would create anger in the majority population if asked about racism.
Essentially, majorities are in power, and don't like criticism of themselves and don't like to step aside for minorities. It's true in every country on earth.
I hope you are intellectually capable of understanding that effectiveness and veracity are not identical. Unless you want to trumpet the triumph of racism? "Ha ha, your accusations of racism are falling on deaf ears!! Racism wins!"
That's a curious, if not apt, argument to make.
August 24, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. It's race.
But the "experience" issue is all mixed up with "race" in the minds of many voters. Older voters, especially, are thinking about both things at once.
That's why I think A. Boyer is right that Biden can help. Racism isn't the only issue, and it isn't insurmountable. When you put a savvy old white guy next to Barack on the podium, a lot of these undecided, older, white voters are going to say "oh, well, I guess he can't be *that* risky," and take the plunge. For that reason, I really believe our post-convention bounce can be durable.
What I'm curious about is this: what happens in 2009? After Barack wins, will racial uneasiness dissipate, as white people get used to being led by a black guy?
Or will it remain as a nagging problem for the Democrats?
I really don't know, but I have to admit my instincts tell me the latter. The GOP has been stirring up racial resentment to divide the working class for 40 years. They're not going to abandon that strategy just because they lose one election.
But suppose that's true -- suppose they keep trying to use racial resentment to drag Obama down. I think there's a real long-term risk for the GOP in that strategy. They could box themselves into a demographic corner, and lose a whole younger generation.
August 23, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've always thought it would be the latter. Assuming he doesn't screw up, four years of an Obama presidency and a whole lot of people will have forgotten what it was they were afraid of in the first place, or even that they were ever afraid.
Not all of the race-based fear of Obama is racism or even racial prejudice (and I do wish we could learn to differentiate between the two). It's just fear that a black man can't be trusted to not come after some payback after all these years of abuse.
On the other hand, there are many for whom it will just never go away. A lot of the 67+ women in the South, for example, just have a deeply rooted terror of black men that was carefully cultivated in them as children and that will only end when they die.
August 23, 2008 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you are right to differentiate different levels of prejudice -- and I also think you're right that a huge part of the hesitation is the expectation of "payback."
August 23, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's race disguised as a hundred little things from his middle name to his birth certificate to elitism to celebrity to besting Hillary.
All of this and more is to make him "not like us."
Yeah. Race. And all the warped stereotypes and fears that go with it.
August 23, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quite the theory there. Couldn't have anything to do with his short time in federal office, his parading his exotic background as his major asset, and associating with people who like to scream "God damn America"?
How many times last year did we hear about Indonesia and granny at Lake Victoria and how his different perspectives from the world will help him, but now people act like racist white people made up this "not like us" meme themselves.
August 23, 2008 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it holding federal office or just the short time part that makes him "not like you?"
What is your exotic background? I'm from Missouri. You seem exotic, since you as you are not from Missouri.
I began screaming "God damn America" when George Bush was elected. I have stepped it up since he got re-elected. You mean you didn't? You seem exotic.
August 23, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
The short time in office may be a basic reason of mistrust from white elderly voters, irregardless of "not like us".
The exotic background strategy was designed to attract one set of demographics, but that same strategy will push away another. If I'm hiring a manager, I might like it that a candidate has travelled the world with diverse experience, or I might like one who's worked her way up the ladder with 1 or 2 companies. Seldom will the hirer like both.
August 24, 2008 12:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, the let me introduce myself strategy was just that. Obama had to work hard at defining himself before the GOP smear machine could work its mischief on too many minds. What was he supposed to say? "Hi, everybody, my name is unimportant. I gew up somewhere in America for a while. Oh, the skin color? I'm tanned and rested, that's all."
August 24, 2008 4:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
He could have pushed his Hawaii roots - basketball player, writer, thinker. Instead it was most about his missing father, trips to Africa and his 4 years in Indonesia. It worked, it got him here, but don't act surprised that this now sounds untenably exotic to Joe and Martha Sixpack who are worried about the price of gas, keeping their homes, illegal immigrants and those terrorist ay-rabs. You can focus on whatever racist aspect there is here, but it's also simple economic and security self-preservation, the issues that drive most any election.
August 24, 2008 6:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
The damn thin is, Des, that you're pretending Obama wasn't compelled as a candidate to tell his story and explain his background. It wasn't to parade it, but to make people like you feel like maybe it wasn't so exotic. He stressed similarities and common ground with mainstream America. Hillary and the GOP have been the ones stressing the differences and even inventing ones to drive a wedge between Obama and voters who will buy that drivel.
One last thing on this. Who are you to determine what life story is beyond th American experience? Why do you get to define "exotic" when that label might also apply to you in some ways? And aren't you, in fact, overlooking your commonality with Obama. He is a citizen who speaks perfect English, plays mean basketball, graduated from Harvard law and raises two daughters with his lovely and loving wife. So his pastor made a point using provocative speech. I never met a pastor who didn't cuss (at least privately). Also, see my reply to Jacob, blow, concerning people who EXPLAIN God's reasons for cursing a nation like America.
August 24, 2008 4:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, my reply to Jacob on this point is upthread, not *blow*
August 24, 2008 4:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Look, buddy - it's not about me, it's about 100 million voters or so. So Obama convinces 50 million or so, he's home free. Whatever the message is. He's a Hawaiian, an Indonesian, a guru, a Senator, a genius. He can frame it however he wants to pull people in. He can change it now, or work with the same. I would expect some constructs to fail, but sometimes non-obvious marketing campaigns work. But don't write off marketing failures simply to racism. This is the US of A - look at the demographics, voting patterns, major voter issues and disgruntlement, visceral reactions, susceptibility to advertising, effectiveness of ground-based in-your-face marketing, and so on. People are worried - they want "change" but they want "stability" and "prosperity". It's up to Obama to portray himself as the answer to that balance.
August 24, 2008 6:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Pay attention. He's been doing that for 19 months. It's just that race DOES play a role in this country, and we all know it's expressed in various sorts of passive-aggressive ways, some of which are excuses masquerading as something else.
That's not to dismiss the actual economic anxieties, for instance, but how people frame their fears is influenced by race in some cases.
My 93-year old mother told me the other day that "those people" -- speaking of blacks -- are angry and demanding. It wasn't even spoken with a lot of heat, just certainty. She's not a person who would ever use the "N" word, or even think it, probably. But she is from a time and place in America when segregation was the norm, when lychings were common, even in the North, and knee-jerk prejudices against all sorts of ethnic groups was also the norm. She was born in 1915, which was only 50 years after the Civil War, and attitudes really hadn't changed very much in rural areas.
So, yes, racial prejudices are still abroad, subtle or overt, and they are inextricably linked even in unconcious ways to how people today rationalize problems in society. Some people who resist Obama may say they're really not sure about his experience or his ability to identify with their problems, but that's not his fault a lot of the time. He's laid it all out there, over and over. Those that have ears, let them hear.
August 24, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
this is my experience, too...
From the Slate article:
We've had posters on TPM for months giving voice to this poisonous, writhing claim of white victimhood, this fear of the black. I think it's a mixture of two things: guilt and honest issues.
Jim Webb talks about the real feeling of abandonment and alienation by Appalachian residents, where they've been screwed over by the easter and wester power structure just as much as black people have been. He makes the valid point that this is a legitimate beef, and I agree with his premise that Appalachians and African Americans really ought to make common cause and forge an alliance, since they have so much in common.
But the old 'divide and rule' mentality of the plantation owners, stirring up prejudice and hatred and mistrust between poor whites and blacks in the South after the Civil War, has it's echos in Nixon's and Buchannan's Southern Strategy, and continues to this day through Carl Rove and some who supported (or pretended to support) Hillary Clinton as the white democrat most likely to keep the scary, uppity black guy from winning.
The good news is that she wasn't able to, and the PUMAista movement is the last vestige of that visceral hatred and prejudice. The gender argument sounds like it isn't what it is, but it's bogus since feminism was never about the candidacy of one flawed woman.
August 24, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
The problem with this "coded" meme is that it sends everyone running around to interpret these hidden codes - like Bill Clinton's fairy tale comment about Obama on Iraq turned into "racism".
August 24, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah racism does play to some degree in this election. I honestly think part of the hole P.U.M.A. clan is a cloak disguise to pure racism, and to some degree Hillary played part of the cause because from March to June she had justified it and as a result it cost her the election. I think deep down she knows this, and probably regrets it, you can sort of see the guilt on her face when reporters bring questions to her about her supporters still holding out. This is not just women's movement, I took a feminist rhetoric course and I know women aren't bitter to males to this extent especially minorities who share the same struggle that they do. Apart of me thinks its sad that it had to end this way because it didn't have to be, but one person's ambition for presidency trumped their moral ethics and party camaraderie.
Interesting that they're talking about this right now on Hardball, in fact now that I think about it they always bring these subjects up in discussion, but they never use the word race.
August 23, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good call on the PUMA thing. The overwhelming white older female group seems pretty dismissive / condescending about Obama. He's an "empty suit" etc. a priori, by default, sans evidence. I always thought that was weird, and you never heard any of that sort of criticism of any other candidate (Edwards, etc)
All the subtle "he's different" "I don't trust him", "my default is whoever his white opponent is", etc., really stinks of racism. But who would be surprised? America has an atrocious history on this matter.
I do have hopes that Obama's victory will wash much of that away, at least in this sphere. Just like most white folks are not surprised to see Clarence Thomas or Condi Rice in positions of power. When Obama wins, that glass ceiling will be cracked forever.
August 23, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas were not elected but appointed. They didn't have face having to appeal to different races. I would put Clarence Thomas in his whole hole. At least Condi Rice and Colin Powell acknowledge the obstacles they face in government.
I DO think Condi is an Obama supporter.
August 23, 2008 11:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Obamagal,
What do you think about Bill Clinton choosing about 15% blacks for his administration positions, including *UPPER ADMINISTRATION POSITIONS*. Just an Arkansas racist, or someone who actually did something to help blacks and other minorities and enjoyed doing it?
With the current administration we get to talk about 2 token blacks, both who play rather humiliating positions (or played, Powell's gone). Under Clinton, the blacks in office were simply professionals.
August 24, 2008 12:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
The question under discussion, Des, is not whether the Clintons were racist, but whether a segment of the public is. You're conflating Clintons and public.
August 24, 2008 4:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Observer2 talked about the glass ceiling and Obamagal treats this like Colin & Condi, but Bill Clinton pretty well fractured that glass ceiling with his aggressive appointments, and for once I would like to see some acknowledgment that the 90's did indeed happen and we did indeed make some progress. 15% of government appointments.
Try this:
Another:
Or this:
Or this:
Those are real-world results that should be admitted once in a while for historical accuracy.
August 24, 2008 7:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
in fact now that I think about it they always bring these subjects up in discussion, but they never use the word race.
You got that right! "Exotic. Celebrity. Patriotic? Will people feel comfortable with . . ." Ah, jeez.
But they're limited by the same rule that limits us. Viewers don't like to hear it implied that they might, conceivably, be motivated by a degree of racial prejudice.
August 23, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know where this whole patriotic meme came from. There are more African American's in the military who have enlisted for various reasons, but predominately because of the lack of educational opportunities that lie outside of enlistment.
McCain is patriotic because he was a POW? But he crashed a plane into aircraft carrier killing 143 American soldiers? I don't get that. Any person who runs for public office is a patriot. It is easy to create a negative narrative when people already hold bias.
August 23, 2008 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Welcome to America!
What else is new!
Cheap shots will always be! I read the article.
I would be more worried by stupidity than racism!
Do any of you believe that Obama & Co. does not recognize that issues of race and racism are alive and well in America; yes, Clinton did as well.
A primary reason this is being talked about at this time is that little else remains, race is the old standby canard; i.e., as in McCain's seven kitchen table choices.
How about 75K in Denver to hear Obama's acceptance speech, ain't nothing like this before. And, some folks what to talk about race.........
August 23, 2008 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
The odd thing about racism is it is at its best when practiced from afar. The closer you become to the object of scorn the more exceptions you begin to make. I fear that which I do not know. There are great things ahead because of those like you, who see what can be and will not be denied - not this time. The spirit of man shall rule the soul of man.
August 23, 2008 11:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
You said it. This election is all about Obama. Some will vote for him and some will vote against him. McCain knows this and that is why his ads don't promote McCain, they do all they can to showcase Obama's race. While I assume the number of overt racists are relatively small there is a wide variety of white Americans who have more latent racial fears and biases.
I comment further on my blog at:
http://electionforchange.blogspot.com/2008/08/barack-obama-is-black-man.html
This election will be an excellent indicator of just how far we have come with racial harmony (or lack thereof).
August 24, 2008 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, Jennifer, we're past that goddamn racial litmus test. This election will be about how well you and other supporters present your a-racial candidate as a competent person to run this country. And the more you throw out this racial crap instead of proving your candidate, the more likely I am to just give up and stop listening to the likes of you.
I'm not pissed about FISA because he's a black man.
I'm not pissed about his abortion and Social Security framing because he's a black man.
I'm not leery about his foreign policy gaffes because he's a black man.
So drop it already. There may be enough racism in this country, but at this point the biggest issue right now is convincing people he's up to the job, and waffling and collapsing on issues and abandoning his base has not improved that perception.
August 24, 2008 1:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think him being a black man does have something to do with how you interpret and frame those issues. You look at him as though he has to prove himself to you just a little bit more.
Here's a test:
Did you feel the same about John Edwards?
If you compare their experience Obama would have a severe edge on substantive policy matters as a result of his years in the state legislature. Did you question whether Edwards was prepared for and capable of the job with the same vigor? Just curious.
August 24, 2008 2:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I thought Edwards was an insincere idiot except perhaps in the courtroom, and his government experience was too short. I would have had great trouble voting for him as president and wasn't thrilled with him as Veep.
Just as Bush's governor experience was somewhate half-time (the legislature was in session every other year and wrapped up by August), Obama's legislative schedule was shortened, allowing him to teach, write, and provide legal services. As such, it is not the same load as federal experience, nor are the responsibilities as great, but it certainly provides legislative experience. I basically half Obama's legislative time in comparison with US Senate experience. I also consider his time in the US Senate highly distracted, so would lop off about 25-30% credit in terms of typical legislative experience provided.
August 24, 2008 7:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
To be clear, I would give a draw or slight advantage Obama on legislative experience, give a big plus to Obama for organizational experience plus its effectiveness, and give a few bonus points to Edwards for his courtroom & legal knowledge/experience.
August 24, 2008 8:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
A good question.
I never saw the same tone used against Edwards.
Obama has to be almost perfect to even be in the running. It's amazing how high the bar is for him, and how low for his white "automatic default" opponent, whoever he or she may be.
August 24, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Waah. Any other 3 1/2 year Senator would have been sworn in the White House by now - why not Obama? Racism.
August 24, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
This really shouldn't require much underlining, but
Desidero ≠ average undecided voter.
Desidero ≠ average anything.
August 24, 2008 8:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your point being? Are you the mythical median child?
August 24, 2008 8:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, that would be Obama, if you could see past the color of his skin. His story is as American as it gets and incrasingly representative of this nation's population.
Obama: Born in Hawaii. McCain: Panama.
Obama: Lived overseas a few years. McCain: about 7, 5-1/2 in an enemy prison.
Obama: Mixed race. McCain: white.
No, you may not be "pissed" at Obama's FISA vote over his color, but you keep saying he shows off the exotic elements of his history. Maybe that's just the parts you pay attention to. Maybe that's just the filter you keep seeing him through. Others see nothing quite so unusual about him, once you accept his color and his patriotism.
August 24, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bullshit, he paraded it early on as part of his appeal for people to get to know him. It helped him in the Democratic primaries. I can't help it if now he has to run away from it for the generals. That's life. And don't blame it just on racism - conservatives are conservative. They're not into the exotic - they're less likely to have passports, less likely to want flavors from around the world, more likely to want someone who reflects their little world and their values.
Again, Obama was happy to talk about all his Indonesiana and Kenyan granny early on. He wanted to be special, his statements about how the rest of the world would see him and how his unique childhood gave him special perspectives on the world was all his framing. I'm fucking tired of hearing now how someone else is putting this on him. He set out to be different. He didn't set out to be Muslim, that was thrown at him, but the rest is his. Deal with it.
August 24, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Duh? It's race? Who wouldof thunk...??
Ummm maybe Billiary Bubba Clinton?
Bubba who is incensed that folks called him out on his racemongering?
Bubba who employed the Southern Strategy so skillfully all across American in small towns in TX and W. VA and PA and OH?
Bubba who even went on Limbaugh?
Cmon, folks..anyone who beleived it was anything other than race was just plain in denial.
Hillary has NO experience that is that much more weighty than Obama and she certainly said white working class often enough to finish strongly in the last primaries.
Oh racemongering work...it's just that in the Democratic party you can't win without the AA vote so Billary lost BIG.
The General Election is going to be tight, and before you focus to much on race, just remember that no WHITE Presidential Democratic candidate has won the majority white vote since LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act.
All of which is why Obama has an intensive ground game. He knew from the outset that in order for him to win, he had to expand the voting population. He has busily registered 100's of thousands of voters in state after state but especially in swing states.
if the Hispanics and blacks are not disenfranchised due to their massive turnout and white America votes in the 44% range for Obama he will be President.
It all depends on voter turnout.
White people do not vote for white candidates who represent the party that passed Civil Rights, despite white females being the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action.
Working class whites decieded long time ago that they prefer their racial entitlement over prosperity which is why the GOP can get them to vote against their economic interest time after time in the South.
It's America and in America..race counts.
Most assuredly.
August 24, 2008 2:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
It certainly isn't all race. Some of the Hillary people are man-hating militants. And he really isn't that experienced, that has some legitimacy. And others are committed lefties who truly can't bare that he isn't running on left-left agenda they came to expect even though it is not an electable strategy. Also, people like McCain personally; you can't discount that, and you can't write off the Bush-Rove attack machine either: "Don't look now, but he's a traitor!"
However, when you see people toss off that eye-rolling little laugh, and utter,
"Ah jest don't trust 'im!", yeah, that's racism. Straight, no chaser.
August 24, 2008 6:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama supporters used the race card to his advantage. Now they are frustrated that the same strategy isn't working in the GE.
August 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Obama supporters used the race card"
Yep, blacks have greatly benefited from this "Race card". They are the ones using it, right. That's why we've had numerous black presidents. It's an unfair advantages that THEY keep using against poor whites.
August 24, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, not "blacks" - "Obama". Jackson had a much tougher time (he was also a much more controversial personality, Obama is much safer). Note the figures I mentioned above - Clinton put in roughly 15% blacks for administrative and judicial positions including upper executive. By 2008 the idea of blacks in government was much more common than back in 1984 & 1988. Even for Pres/VP we've had Colin Powell & Condi's names bandied around, Alan Keyes, Al Sharpton, etc., with Powell considered a serious possibility. So in 2008 the climb wasn't nearly as tough, and from the Democratic side quite a bit of support for the idea as "the right thing to do", "ground breaking moment", etc. Had Obama had more than 3 years at the federal level, he would have had a much easier time.
August 24, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Even for Pres/VP we've had Colin Powell & Condi's names bandied around"
Bandied about but never seriously considered. Powell never ran because his wife was convinced that he would be assassinated.
Polls show that 60% of Americans fear for Obama's life. Sadly, it's not an unrealistic view.
Sure, we've made progress. But we're not there yet.
"Had Obama had more than 3 years at the federal level, he would have had a much easier time."
I think that's fair to say. Mostly, inexperience has caused some missteps, etc., more than experience per se being a big factor.
August 24, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
We tell our kids (or at least WHITE people do...) that, in America, you can grow up to be anything you want-even president. Unless you are Black. The Democrats may have made it harder on themselves over the last four decades by being the Party that passed Civil Rights, Voting Rights, Head Start, AA. etc. and no, it was not perfect, but *Thank God, Buddha, The Great Spirit/s* that we took the chance and did what was morally right, if not politically easy.
The same kind of moral rectitude is needed for natural resources, global warming and alternative energy. The Dems can again stand for what is ethically and morally right...
August 24, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
We've had numerous black astronauts, successful black businessmen/women, 2 black Secretaries of State and other cabinet members, 2 Supreme Court justices, and so on.
Do we need a Hispanic, Vietnamese, Native American and Somali president before we can say there's opportunity if you try hard? Do we need quotas and affirmative action for president, maybe a round robin system? Joe Biden's been in the Senate 36 years and he's carrying the 3 1/2 year black senator's luggage now - isn't that enough to prove the point?
August 24, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Due to America's very brutal history on the subject, you should be a little less cavalier on the issue. 400 years of cruelty can't be erased in a couple of years.
America will have reached the promised land, I reckon, when the issue of race is not even mentioned. With Jesse Jackson, it was the main issue. With Obama, it has been a subtext. Perhaps in a few decades, it will be a non-issue.
One thing is for sure, both Obama and Hillary have been trailblazers. It's harder on them, but it will be easier for the next generation.
August 24, 2008 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
It hasn't been a couple of years. It's been 40 years since MLK was assassinated. And in the 90's blacks were coming into their own. Home ownership, middle class jobs, cleaned up neighborhoods. Not by any means complete but significant improvement. Including in DC, where they got rid of the corrupt old activist black mayor and put in the clerk-like geekish looking black mayor. Less populism, more balancing the books and paying attention to bottom line details.
And here's a tidbit you may not realize. 90% of black American slavery was outside the United States. 90%. And that doesn't include how the Spanish treated the indigenous on their fincas nor how many were wiped out by disease. Oh well, this thread is dead anyway, no use to waste time on this.
August 25, 2008 2:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the socioeconomic data on black America belies your point about everything being dandy. Things like population in jail, population withotu fathers, population in poverty....
Second, the sins of others does nothing to lessen your own. This is the old maxim that two wrongs don't make a right.
August 25, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
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