Here's a good post:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/08/the-terror-that-would-be-presi.php

Scary stuff.

Good thinking. But I have to ask: what would be the case in FAVOR of John McCain?

I've been saying the same thing for at least the last month. Maybe Ripper's superior visibility will help propagate this message. Rec'd.

There is precious little in John McCain's military record that recommends him for high leadership. McCain was a goofball slacker at the Naval Academy, a reckless hotdog fighter jock who did more damage to the US Navy than to the enemy, and, most famously, a prisoner in Hanoi.

Yet somehow McCain's admirers in the beltway press corps dutifully perpetuate the myth that McCain is a "hero" whose hapless antics in the Navy magically qualify him as commander in chief.

When Wes Clark, who has real military leadership credentials, calmly pointed out the fallacy of the meme, Bob Schieffer almost choked with indignation.

E2 is one of my fav posters here at tpm.

However, I'm going to disagree somewhat. I too believe in being civil but sometimes we need to vent too. I really doubt that anyone's opinions are changed because I use the term McLame or McSame in the heat of anger on a specific thread. Firstly, I'm not that powerful; secondly, I doubt civility necessarily changes minds. We heard a lot of this argument during the primaries when we heard people say that the Obama voters were so rude, that they could not conceive how they could vote for Obama in the primaries. Bullshit.

If minds could be shifted just by civility while referring to a candidate (and I do emphatically believe we should remain civil to each other, personally) then tell me, at this point in time, which candidate should be winning? Srsly.

Thank you! What a nice compliment.

We're probably each reflecting our own reactions. I'll admit that when I see a post that says 'Oilbama' or 'Nobama' or 'Barack HUSSEIN Obama', I just turn off. Even if I read the rest of it, all I remember is my irritation or sense of distaste. So in trying to appeal to the minds of other people, I shy away from that sort of slash. It's not that I think civility changes minds, but I'm concerned that incivility *shuts* minds.

But Lord knows everyone isn't like me (for which we can all be extremely greatful!!!!). Maybe the best rule is to write something that -- if it could honestly be said about him -- in a way that it would make us question our committment to Obama and give John McCain a second look. Since we each would respond differently to different approaches, that would give a nice (and hopefully effective) variety.

But posting on the MSM sites with solid arguments that will raise questions about McCain is probably the most effective thing we as individuals can do (aside from donating, of course, and if possible working on the ground, particularly in swing states).

I try to toss something in one of those places first thing in the morning and then later on do more if there is a chance. Any effect? I'll never know -- but if one mind gets changed enough so that it creates a vote for Obama or even just convinces someone not to bother going to the poll for McCain, that's something, right?

TPM is invaluable as a source to find some of that hard information needed for such posts. Just wish there was a better (i.e., working) search function. (And also, as I noted, a place where I can scream if I feel like it!..)

This is the main point I keep bringing up to those who are supporting John McCain. They are not on the web as I am. I just worked in Indiana recently and my hotels basic channel offering included only cnn and fox for news channels... not even an msnbc was offered. When all they see is what the MSM wants them to see this leaves McCain looking like a much more viable option. This is tough to combat. I am not very comfortable emailing family and friends to present my political views but I am willing to risk it at this time because of this. There are too many things that McCain is getting away with and it's ugly and turns my stomach that money rules this entire procss and most of the people who do not have much have no idea what is happening to them.

The problem with using this approach on this blog is that we are all drinking the same kool-aid. Be a shadow troll nation and post FACTS at places like republicanoperative.com or the washington post in response to Krauthammers drivel, or fox news blogs.

FACTS. Things he's said. Things he's done. There is a great article out from a reporter in Phoenix. It basically shows why McCain is a dirty playing, win at all costs repubuglican just like the scum in office now. Link to the article in your comments.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2008-08-07/news/postmodern-mccain-the-john-mccain-some-arizonans-know-and-loathe

The country really doesn't know the real mcCain. republicanfoObama.org is a good one to send to your neighbors, families and friends. Newt Gingrich said McCain will make Bush look like Gandhi or something to that effect.

I used to stop by this site many times a day. Now I check it out once or twice a week. Mainly because I've got better things to do with my time than read self-defeating posts from idiots who would rather talk about what's wrong with our candidate than aggressively go after theirs. Folks can spend their time any way they like, of course, but I prefer your approach to the approach of many others on this site. McCain is the one to beat. And we need to do everything we can do to kick his ass. Self doubt is for losers.

Your post is highly recommended.

Heck no - post on the MSM blogs and comment section to these stories. Because they do look @ the comments.