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Over the past several weeks there has been perhaps no better surrogate for Barack Obama than Senator John Kerry. Aides to the Illinois Democrat admit that they are at once surprised and ecstatic with the prosecutorial zeal that the 2004 Democratic nominee has deployed on behalf of his successor.

In the past week alone, Kerry delivered a major address on counterterrorism in which he systematically ripped apart John McCain's foreign policy depth and understanding. He took to the airwaves to defend Obama against charges of celebrity, before turning in a highly praised performance on Meet the Press against Democrat turned Democratic-thorn Joseph Lieberman. All of which was topped off by Kerry's MC-ing at Obama's birthday party in Boston, where he delivered the most memorable line of the night:

"I don't know if you know this," said the Massachusetts Democrat. "John McCain is looking for someone for vice president who has more economic expertise than he does. So congratulations to all of you, you're on the short list."

A thought just occurred to me.  There was an article today about Barack Obama's VP being from LEFT field -- is there ANY chance in you opinion, that Barack has decided to have Kerry as his VP?  He HAS been vetted and he only lost by a few hundred thousand votes in 2004, he'sa veteran and experienced.  He's also a very good at debates.


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It would be a brilliant choice. In addition to the reasons you list, Kerry would remind voters of the choice they should have made in 2004. And he is bullet proof against Swift Boating this time, because military credentials are the one thing McCain can't afford to slime.

So he can be swift boated again? McCain will just say "I cannot control what the 527's say".

I do find it sadly amusing how the GOP controls the discussion. Four years ago it was completely kosher to challenge ones military time/credentials, however this year it's completely taboo. Hell in 2000 Bush/Rove challenged McCain's sanity, yet eight years later that is no longer a question worthy of being asked.

I like the idea. It's not the best, but Kerry as VP is something I can get behind.

Something weird happened when Kerry lost the election. Somehow, from somewhere, he grew some balls. After losing in 2004, Kerry has had some concise and scathing things to say about Bush and Co. Why he couldn't think of those things when he was running is beyond me, but he seems to have found his indignation and will to fight back.

So yeah, I'd take Kerry over Bayh. I'd rather have Edwards over anyone, but hey, that doesn't seem to be an option anymore.

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Yeah, the losers like Gore and Kerry always get gutsy AFTER they have nothing left to lose. It's called choking. Put Kerry on the ticket and he'll cost him two or three states at least (VA, CO, PA, and OH are all likely to be lost with Kerry on there), and win none. It's a ridicuous, silly idea.

Kerry is trying out for Secretary of State. That post will be an interesting battle should Obama win the White House because besides Kerry, Biden has said that's the office that interests him and Richardson has also said it would suit him and he expects something in return for the timely endorsement and the Clinton wrath he endured.

Where as Joe Biden been the last while? Bayh is out in front acting as a surrogate, but Biden is nowhere to be found (other than doing his job in the Senate of course). Does he not want to put his foot in his mouth on one of the talk shows and kill any chance he has at the VP or is he not an advocate of Obama like some assume he is?

To be fair to Biden; I would hope that Obama chooses his Secretary of State based on abilities and accomplishments, not on how enthusiastically the person stumped for Obama.

Barry = Kerry.

Two losers.

You just shit in every thread, don't you?

So, you don't like Obama and you didn't like Kerry. Who was the last general election candidate the Democrats ran that you actually liked?

President Clinton.

You liked Clinton, but not Al Gore? WTF?

In case you haven't noticed, Bill Clinton basically set the tone for all subsequent Democratic general election candidates: Dove-ish foreign policy coupled with support for increased international trade while maintaining the public "safety net" institutions.

No Democratic candidate has significantly deviated from Clinton's policies, and yet you don't like any of them?

Bill Clinton is a winner. The rest have been losers. Our problem is how to turn a loser into a winner by November. Hooking him up with another loser is not going to do it.

Actually, Gore won. But the refs decided that game.

You see? That's the problem right there. Gore lost Tennessee. What kind of dummy forgets to campaign in and win his home state? Gore screwed the Democratic Party for decades by contesting the Florida vote and forcing the issue to the Supreme Court after losing his home state to Bush. He turned the Party into a bunch of whining victims. Kerry paid the price. Obama is paying the price. We're constantly looking for excuses to lose.

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Gore won? Hooray! Then the last 8 years didn't really happen and I've just come out of a nightmare-plagued coma.

Ask yourself this: Who is president? Now you know who won.

I think it's an awful idea. I don't dislike Kerry or anything, but picture how it'll play in the media and court of public opinion -- it won't remind people of who they should've voted for in '04, it'll remind them that he lost and the smears against him will just float up again in national consciousness. It also wouldn't help the 'Obama is elitist' myth. Who would Kerry bring on board that isn't with Obama already?

It's unfortunate, because I think Kerry would be a pretty good VP. He's a cerebral idea man; I'd like to see him be a Gore-style advocate for veteran affairs.

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Swiftboats would sink! It's so accepted now that that was untrue and unfair attack that "swiftboat" is now a verb with recognized meaning.
---- And it WOULD remind people of what they lost ... the chance to be rid of Bush FOUR YEARS AGO!!
---- He's certainly vetted.
---- He's Presidential calibre (said the second-largest number of voters in the history of America)
--- Much as I hate to admit it, he's got a measured quality, a self-control that perhaps Joe Biden doesn't always have (which is why I'd rather see Biden as VP and Kerry as Secy of State, actually)
--- He, like Biden, would appeal to those older people, moderate Reps, and independents that are drawn to McCain
--- And he would "wipe the floor" with any VP candidate the Republicans could put up (unlike Edwards did when it was his turn)

And he has shown by his strong surrogate work that he's way above the pouting need to put down someone who may well succeed in ways that he didn't (unlike a certain ex-president). Still prefer Biden but I could get very excited about an Obama/Kerry ticket.

Folks, it really does have to be someone *known* - not to put down the Warners or Kaines or Schweitzers, etc. But the undecided and older voters (who are numerous and who vote very consistently) are going to veer toward the *known* at the last minute, just as those last-minute deciders went for Clinton in all of the primaries. A Joe Biden or John Kerry "trump" John McCain when it comes to giving people a sense of familiarity, respect earned over the long haul, etc. Even Evan Bayh isn't in that ball park (although the same voters are more likely to remember his father)

George Bush may be a lousy president but he's no fool and he would never have won the first time except, being a relative unknown, he chose Dick Cheyney as his running mate. (Cheyney was, at the time, quite respected by moderates and even some liberals.) Newcomer Bill Clinton ran with a very familiar, respected person who had an even more familiar and respected name. Even JFK took the very powerful Senate Majority Leader to, among other things, give him some 'gravitas.' ---

And Obama is "newer" and more "unusual" in many ways than Bush, Clinton, JFK and "riskiness" has been the most powerful argument against him all along, in the primaries and now. The only argument *against* selecting someone strong, respected, well-known and reassuring is that it takes a big person to have someone like that standing behind, partly in their shadow. Michael Dukakis misplayed it in that regard ..... but I really, truly do not worry that Obama isn't "big" enough for that or any other challenge.

And, finally, there is a BIG difference between McCain's many years in the Senate and the equally long careers of Biden, Kerry, Kennedy, etc. Go back and count up which party was in power (Congress and White House) during that span of time. A Republican Senator, such as McCain, could have achieved FAR, FAR more than he did, had far more power to change the "way things were done" than any of the Democrats. It's what you achieve with what you have to work with: Biden, Kerry, Kennedy and others have achieved far more than McCain ever has ..... and they had to do it "dancing backwards and in heels" so to speak.

I completely agree with the sentiment, but not Sen. Kerry. Obama has all the energy, excitement and "change" the ticket can handle. He needs somebody who the voter can feel safe with as his running mate. I think people will want to vote for Obama, but they will be nervous doing so - you put a name with experience and a track record on the back of the ticket and I think people will feel much more at ease "taking a chance" on Obama.

Not sure I'm ready to hop on the Kerry for VP bandwagon, but I will say another plus for picking him is that whoever replaced him in the Senate would be guaranteed to be a Democrat.

I'll go way out into left field: either Bill Moyers or Bruce Springsteen.

Or Bill Bradley.

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Yeah, but doesn't that make you worry about the "Bradley Effect"? (Wink)

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Connie, you are funny!

Thanks for the laugh. I *really* needed it.

Actually at this point considering all of those names being tossed the names I feel most comfortable with are all senators... Kerry, Dodd, Biden (not into Clinton or Bayh as a choice personally)... the only exception being Governor Bill Richardson. Any of these choices I feel would provide good leadership and someone I could feel comfortable with should something happen to Senator Obama while in office. I am just not comfortable with the governor's names being touted. I don't have the sense that they are ready to lead the nation... and with others in the nation a little uneasy about Senator Obama's inexperience it wouldn't hurt to choose someone who is well known and experienced to provide some reassurance.

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Well, I see you guys have been at it pretty steady.

I don't have a clue if Obama will select Kerry; but I do know that he would be the 'easy' pick. He's experienced, has military background, been vetted, been swift boated and everybody knows it now, he's well know among voters and they just might feel 'safe' with him. If McCain goes after his being RICH -- Kerry can go after McCain for being RICH and an elitist too.

If Obama picks somebody nobody really knows -- they'll probably feel LESS safe then they do now with Obama.

If Obama picks an outsider but with very little experience -- voters will once again feel less safe with that pick.

It seems to me that he has to pick an EXPERIENCED, WELL KNOWN figure (even tho he ran his campaign on being for change (out of Washington). Someone that the media has already checked out and reported on for years and during the 2004 campaign - would be less NEWS worthy info. Except for discussing how the man was swiftboated (which most of us now know was crap) - there will be no news except for the initial surprise of his announcement.

No news is good news. Yet he might give voters who worry about Obama's inexperience - a safety net.

I would take Kerry over Bayh ANYDAY. Talk about BORING?

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That's it --- it needs to *feel* safe to vote for Obama. (For many people, especially those my age and older, McCain is going to *feel* safe even if he won't *be* safe.) So who is "a name with experience and a track record on the back of the ticket" who would bring that? You say not Kerry (tho I don't consider him particularly energetic, exciting and 'change'). Then who?

I truly think this is very important, perhaps critical. Those 'last minute deciders' during the primaries were - and are - a big concern and I think this is why they veered away from Obama. The VP selection could well be the answer to that problem. In fact, it may be the only way to answer that problem. So ... who?

As indicated, I think Biden or Kerry would fit best. Maybe Dick Gephart (you did say they don't need any more excitement, right?) Tom Daschle? Gore obviously but don't think he would.

Clinton just wouldn't do it, I don't think. Talk about anxiety-producing images! Just think about tossing Obama, Hillary and Bill in the White House! And frankly she doesn't have all that experience and track record, not when compared to McCain.

Who?

No. Please. No.

If 'change' is what it's all about, then let's really change. That means a candidate who has already "lost" a national race for president should not be the VP choice.

Plus, I don't like the idea of pulling ANY sitting Democratic Senator out of a job.

kerry would be a retarded pick. He has the 'loser' taint on him. Same reason (outside of the lovechild rumors) you couldn't pick Edwards. Obama represents a new day for Dems and it would be foolish to have anyone with any negative baggage from previous elections or administrations (read kerry, edwards, gore or clinton) on the ticket. if he's gonna be the new kind of transformation democrat who actually wins an election rather than just being a better candidate then he has to cut the line from any of the previous dems who were losers or could be branded that way by the repubs and the press.

i'm not saying there's a perfect pick out there but kerry would be a very very dumb one.

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I can't believe anyone's taking this suggestion seriously.

The GOP's hell-bent on defining Obama as an elitist flip-flopper. They succeeded in 2004 in defining Kerry as an elitist flip flopper.

So now you want to give them the meme of "elitist-flip-flopping losers. (It takes one to know one.)"

I can just see the ads. That one of Kerry wind-surfing juxtaposed with Obama asking the price of arugula.

sigh

amen to that!

My thoughts exactly.

Obama owes Kerry big time, and he knows it. Where would Obama be now if Kerry hadn't personally picked him to give the 2004 keynote? Obama will pick Kerry as Secretary of State.

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"Where would Obama be now if Kerry hadn't personally picked him to give the 2004 keynote?"

He'd be the Democratic nominee for president.

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Fine -- then who does fit this criteria (quoting from Jonze above): "He needs somebody who the voter can feel safe with as his running mate. I think people will want to vote for Obama, but they will be nervous doing so - you put a name with experience and a track record on the back of the ticket and I think people will feel much more at ease "taking a chance" on Obama."

There are a lot of voters -- older voters, late-deciding voters, frightened voters -- who are going to want some degree of comfort, security, familiarity when they flip that lever. That may well be a big factor in the still-very-close polls. Selecting a president is a more 'personal' decision for American voters than any other election.

Who can Obama select as a VP that will address that concern? Because, to be blunt, short of announcing his Cabinet before the election (a few 1,000 reasons that's a bad idea), selecting the right VP is the *only* way Obama is going to be able to address it.

Someone like Biden might fit the description but he's not perfect. As I said earlier, there really isn't anyone who is a perfect fit. They all have their flaws. So like everything else in life it's a matter of compromise: what do you give up to get what you want?

I think it's important to keep with the change mantra so it can't be someone who is too connected to the washington establishment (thus nixing an oldtimer like Biden that I just mentioned) but also someone with enough of the 'safe' feeling that comes from being an old hand on the national scene for the voters who feel that Obama is too new and unknown. There are a bunch who fit this but they undermine the change theme that Obama has been campaigning on so there's your dilemma. Not to mention electoral issues like who brings help in the areas and with the groups Obama is weaker with? Some say Clinton but she has baggage and good reasons against her so it's a classic 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' type of situation.

I don't claim to know who SHOULD be picked but I certainly think I can spot who SHOULDN'T be picked and I think Kerry, Clinton, Edwards and Gore all should not because I think the negatives they bring outweigh the possible positives. I am open to several others like Biden, Richardson, Bayh, Kaine, McCaskill, maybe Sebelius, I'm not very familiar with Chet Edwards, and I'm lukewarm on Webb, Rendell and Clark. Maybe there's someone we're not even talking about who is perfect but I don't know.

I first saw the titile of this post and was like "OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGAREYOUOUTOFYOURMIND!!!"

I still say no, though not nearly as resoundingly because you do bring up some excellent points. He can't be swiftboated again (I'd like to think, anyway) and he's been through a campaign before, knows how to do it, and has been damn good on TV as a surrogate lately. The weak points--he lost in '04 because he let the swiftboating happen to him and he was more of a "vote for me because I'm not Bush" candidate; he brings in no new states; he's been in Senate for a long time, should probably stay there and become more influential, and if on the ticket would ruin Obama's "change" label--still make me say no. A nice thought, though.

I liked your thinkin, and elizabeth's dancing backwards line. both spot on.

However it's late and i say no cuz i can just see the line now:

"Empty suit and stuffed shirt"

no can do...

or maybe they find a way to make it work for them.....hmmmmmm

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He's a transparently decent guy. As if that mattered. Joe Lunchpail is not only specifically racist but also so insecure that he's quick to assume he's being condescended to.

And not only JL. The young guy who covered the 04 campaign for the Rolling Stone and quickly wrote of Kerry as a "doofus".

I've posted elsewhere about Kerry

BTW a poll yesterday showed that Massachusetts
white males now favor McCain.

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Got to admit the (unwarranted in both cases, esp Obama) "elitist" image would be a real drag to deal with in an Obama/Kerry ticket.

So, personally, I'm back to Biden as being the best possible choice. He's from Scranton PA, dad a car salesman, takes the train home every day, went to Syracuse not Harvard, and had the lowest net worth of anyone running in either party. Hard to get to "elitist" from that.

Looking at Atreideshawk's helpful list, with the "safe feeling" requirement in mind, I'd rank them after that as Richardson (tho there may be other problems there), Bayh, Clark, Rendell .. and then branch off into Gephardt, Daschle, maybe Nunn(other problems there), or someone logical that just hasn't been mentioned, or a Republican (Hagel? Lincoln Chaffee? Really like William Cohen, except he's a close friend of McCain's) Webb would do but he's taken himself out and there are the other problems (statements about women, 3 marriages, etc.)

Kaine, McCaskill, Sebelius, et al. - even Warner -might well be absolutely excellent, but to Joe Q. Public (including all those white males in MA), they are just about as "new" as Obama.

Thanks Elizabeth2, I admit I hadn't really considered Gephardt or Daschle. I think they both would help with some of Obama's weaker constituencies but may have a bit of the Washington Insider taint on them. I think the repub idea is out because it weakens the dem brand to have a ticket with a repub on it at a time when the repub brand is so bad. I agree with the newbies reinforcing that mantra about Obama which is why I think some history in the national spotlight is a prereq. The more I think about Gephardt and Daschle wouldn't be that bad since they both have the national level experience and might really help with the blue collar types.

If I seem ambivalent it's because I am. I see merits with quite a few candidates but all have some flaw that gives me pause. I'm glad it's not my call to make.

Any thoughts about Bob Casey as VP? The NY Times article about the Catholic vote reminded me that Casey came out early for Obama.

There is only one factor to consider. Which VP could assure an Obama victory in Michigan?

there are other states which are important. Such a narrow focus would do a disservice to the ticket and the party. what about va, pa, oh, fl, nv, co (just to name a few)? if someone helped win those would they be discounted because they didn't help in mich?

Yes. After all the states you mentioned are settled, it will come down to Michigan. It was Florida in 2000, Florida and Ohio in 2004. It's not about Obama, it's about McCain. The surest and maybe only path to victory this time for McCain is through Michigan. Obama has enough states in play in the West that McCain can only get there with Michigan's 17. IMHO. That's why McCain will pick Romney for VP. Plus, Michigan has the potential to be the one state that most seriously exhibits the Bradley effect. My prediction. However, remember that I was convinced that Clinton would get the nomination.

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Governor Kaine went to college in Michigan

Biden has a compelling life story as well, being sworn in as the hospital bedside of his sons, after his wife (their mother), and his daughter was killed in a car accident. He also has a son heading over to Iraq soon (might already be there).

Biden's voting record is one that would probably look a lot like Obama's if he was in the Senate for 35 years - http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Joe_Biden.htm

he was one of my early favs for the job and I still think he's a good choice. it's just that it's hard to claim to be changing things with someone who was there for 30+ years...

As if we didn't have enough smokescreens with Bayh, Biden, Kaine and Sebelius...

Barack's VP has been on the campaign trail grappling with the issues and speaking with voters for months.

It's so obvious, yet no one can see it.

Obama, Axelrod and Plouffe are playing this brilliantly. But then again, they have to. The recent mumblings from the Hilliary's folks only serve to remind us why they had to run the VP play this way.

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You still think it's going to be Warner, huh?

Without a doubt. The recent fun and games have only served to reinforce that opinion. It is now just a matter of timing and how he phrases the acceptance of Obama's offer.

Interesting. A life-long Republican who voted "guilty" on the second article of impeachment against Bill Clinton and went on the vote for the AUMF against Iraq and supported the "war" until he became disenchanted with the occupation. That should bring us together.

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Dude, he's talking about MARK WARNER, not John Warner

My mistake. Carry on.

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Here's where it's going to come down to. Keeping people comfortable with an Obama pick. He could go one of two routes. Either Bayh, and have sort of a Clinton/Gore mode or Go with Biden and go with a George W. Bush/Cheney mode. It's a lot of things to consider.

The problem is... I wasn't all that enthusastic about Kerry in 2004.

Kerry's better than a lot of suggestions I've seen, and certainly better than Bayh but he's not an inspired choice.

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Bob Casey could be good (he's sort of new to JQP but his 'name' is not) except he's anti-choice. That wouldn't necessarily send folks running to McCain but would, I think, dim the fervor and raise the anxiety of a lot of Obama supporters, especially the young. Enough worries about the youth vote actually turning out.

Michigan? Don't entirely follow the reasoning that it will be *the* important one, but still if McCain should pick Romney..... that's 17 electoral votes that would hurt a lot if they don't wind up in Obama's column.
-- Governor is ineligible (born in Canada);
-- Sen. Stabenow is new to many and a non-Hillary woman
-- Carl Levin???? Hmmm - there must be some reason his name has never been mentioned (to my knowledge) but I have no idea what

And Stabenow's husband was recently caught with a hooker.

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how in the world did i miss this post?

kerry has been the most exciting and vocal surrogate for obama..and yes, i do think he would mobilize DEMS b/c he would remind us of power of swiftboating and why a repeat performance is UNACCEPTABLE!!!

Obama needs a good debater (that was HRC's strength big time) and Kerry can do that with great aplomb!

Hmm, I can get used to that idea...yes I can!

It's not about the issues with the GOP, it's about little easily repeatable sound bytes. Kerry is verbose, as is Obama for that matter. Biden can nail down exactly what needs to be said in a sentence or two (sometimes less).

as much as I like him, he can also often nail down exactly what doesn't need to be said in a sentence or two!

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Kerry is an interesting choice. However, he was the presidential nominee four yrs ago, 'i don't think he wants to number 4 yrs later.'

Biden, Bayh would make great VPs. Hillary, too, if she and Bill could stop undermining Barack.

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TimeTABLE for withdraw in Iraq?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26074685/

I knew they'd do this for political gain in Nov

I could not disagree more.

Bayh, Biden, Clinton and Kerry would be horrible VPs.

Bayh is Clinton's boy.

Biden is own boy and runs his mouth too much.

Clinton would undermine hope.

And Kerry still carries a stigma of being a Massachusetts Liberal. This is the exact same stigma that doomed his run for the Presidency before it began and which also encouraged Clinton's ill posse to help him become the nominee by whatever means they could so to prepare the ground for her run in 2008.

ENOUGH OF THESE JOKERS ALREADY...FFS!!!

Barack Obama has moved beyond all that nonsense. It follows his VP pick will be someone who has also.

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Oh, please. Kerry is probably the only pick worse than Hillary. Kerry doesn't carry a single state for Obama, and could lose several, like Ohio and PA and VA. There couldn't be a worse choice.

Gore/Kerry, nostalgia tour 2008.

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