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Josh Marshall: Angry. Little. Boy.
In my day job, I am actively campaigning to become recogznied as The Official TPM Celebrity. This takes time, my friends, but, like Paris, I'm, like, totally ready.
So it's in the rare breaks that I get to look around the Internets for insight and insipiration for my Quest. I will admit, I read Josh Marshall more and more often, because he rarely disappoints.
I noticed that for almost a week Josh has been very angry. Happily for me, his anger only amplified the weight of this wisdom.
On the one hand, his anger is easy to understand and I am honestly and truly sympathetic. John McCain released a layered commercial in which he portrayed Obama in a way Josh finds offensive. McCain's surrogates and campaign staff took the ball and ran with it.
Racial stereotypes.
Sexualized jokes.
Copious ridicule.
Josh concludes that McCain has stooped to denigrading an opponent. This is unsavory, despicable and deplorable.
To add insult to injury, Josh believes that the media is ignoring McCain's own very obvious shortcomings. So he decided to document these shortcomings himself.
Fine. But there are two problems with his wise approach.
The first is that his compilation looks like blooper reel put together by a really angry teenager. And all he can come up with is a series of gaffes which (however damning) don't amount to a dismissal of McCain as someone who's capabable of being a President.
The second problem is larger than the first. Josh is angry with the race because he thinks it hit a new low. Denigration is deplorable and unacceptable. Unfortunately, Josh decided to respond in kind.
Josh's response today is nothing but a "fuck you back" denigration of McCain. The same kind of denigration he just decried. He's only true point is that McCain is senile, "dazed and confused".
So now, Josh has re-framed the choice for voters. You can decide if you want a sick old man or a healthy alert "on" dude.
I know that Josh considers himself a progressive. That only puts more emphasis on the fact that he has come down to level that McCain had invited him to.
He has essentially allowed McCain to change the conversation. And, clearly, he has been baited and he took the bait.
And now you look like this is all you have, and you are simply a vindictive angry little boy.
Because the average American voter (especially the low information kind, the one that elects the next President) doesn't see things the way Josh does, and Josh doesn't and wouldn't move a finger to understand them.
The average American voter in fact disagrees with Josh quite loudly. They consistently kept McCain close enough to Obama in the polls. They have never put Obama over 50% mark. And as the recent polls reveal, there are more of "undecided's" now then in 2004 at this point in the campaign.
So my message of the day to Josh is my favorite quote from my all-time favorite man, Clyburn - "Chill out". If this makes you angry now, you'll need a doctor on stand-by around November, because this is only a beginning. Did you honestly think that after Hillary was done the rest was going to be a drive right into the White House???
If you want your guy to win, that's not how you respond. You go back to explaining the choice voters can make. And you do it in a way that drives your point home without an open denigration of an opponent. Unless of course you want to energize McCain's base in the same way you energized Clinton's.
Peace.











Comments (37)
Sure your headline is not inadvetant confession?
August 7, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm confused as to whether Marshall believed that the "celeb" ad was subliminally racist, or he pretended to believe it. People who worship Obama tend to use a "ends justifies the means" approach, that is, they pretend everything is racist in order paint the other guy (or girl) as a racist, even if they know they are wrong.
August 7, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure he didn't pretend.
Republicans had options how to frame their point about "Ready to Lead?". They chose the option that they knew would provoke the "progressives". Now Josh is blind with rage. And the discussion changed from hope and new beginning to a choice of dazed and sharp.
And he completely forgot about the "Ready to Lead?" part of the question.
August 7, 2008 10:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Two MUST-READ articles spelling out the reasons why Obama can't drop McCain in the polls:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-romm/obamas-self-defeating-rhe_b_117463.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/drew-westen/why-voters-say-they-dont_b_117238.html
Same reasons Kerry (war hero) and Gore (Nobel Laureate) BOTH LOST TO A CHIMPANZEE.
Obama's campaign needs to WAKE UP and stop playing Little League ball!!!
Josh: can you make sure these articles get forwarded to the campaign? PLEASE!!?!?
August 7, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
No need to spam every thread with that Chicken Little stuff, man. We heard you the 8th time.
August 8, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
The articles are well worth reading.
August 8, 2008 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh don't make me puke, truthseeker. "People who worship Obama..." Give me a break. I have had it up to here with the insinuation that Obama supporters are falling for some kind of modern day Rasputin. Fuck. You.
Just because your candidate did not or will not win does not mean that the people who vote for the other guy are idiots. We process information through our ideological lenses and you process it through yours. And just because we reach different conclusions does not mean we've not been thoughtful and measured in our examination.
So, go ahead and feel smug and smarter than us. I hope that will comfort you on November 5th. Jackass.
August 7, 2008 10:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
@ orlando
You're very sensitive to criticism of you intellect but you've said nothing about
Do you think the voters who twice selected a chimanzee and don't know how to read are too stupid to know your opinion of them?
The fact is they do, and ALWAYS prefer a CHIMPANZEE to your guy because they hate your guts, same as you hate theirs.
That's the problem Obama faces that Marshall can't understand and Lalo was trying to explain. McCain understands it very well.
August 8, 2008 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the average, low-information voter couldn't care less about whether Josh Marshall is angry, so I didn't feel the need to address that point. That's not Josh's audience and I'm pretty sure he knows that.
As for hating the average American voter, I surely don't. I'm also pretty sure that an overwhelming number of them know how to read.
Maybe you're projecting.
August 8, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
@ orlando
I didn't characterize them as "low information" voters nor call their candidate of choice a "chimpanzee" so I'm sure I'm not projecting.
August 8, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem here is that you're assuming an "us" vs. "them", as in I hate anybody who voted for Bush and they hate me back and we'll never find common ground. I live in a red state and I know plenty of people who voted for Bush not once, but twice. They're cheering as loudly for Obama as I am. They won't be fooled again.
(By the way, I'm pretty sure you suggested that "they" can't read...maybe you need to check your assumptions.)
August 8, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
@ Orlando
Us vs. Them is an essential element in all politics, of all group identities.
You also misunderstood when I pointed out that no one likes to be called an idiot. "low information" voters don't know or care about John Marshall but they are well-aware of the Left's opinion of them.
Finally, I know it's a stretch for you but the implication that "low information" voters are that way because they are "reading impaired" or "intelligence impaired" is one that a person of normal intelligence would find reasonable.
August 8, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're suggesting that I both hate low-information voters and am actually one of them (by the statement that low-information voters are intelligence-impaired and the implication that I have less than normal intelligence and therefore cannot possibly understand your brilliant pontification).
Wanna talk yourself in some more circles? Be careful not to get dizzy.
August 8, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
This could've been handled in an e-mail to Josh.
August 8, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it could have. But Josh is now a public figure, he's cited by WaPo amongst others, and as such he's one of the faces of the Left. So what he writes is no longer just his private opinion. It's part of the collective daze and confusion that seems to have set in some "progressive" circles. And I think it needs to be challenged.
August 8, 2008 8:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
More frames than a frame-shop in the essay.
McCain's base doesn't even like him! His real base is K Street.
It doesn't matter who the GOP runs: A yellow cat with a broken tail will still get 42%. So attacking McCain doesn't work,true, but it won't energize that base either.
August 8, 2008 2:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
@ Lux Umbra Dei
It's true the fundamentalist, conservative base of the Republican party doesn't care for him but he's the candidate of the party. I find that very interesting. How did that happen? There were many good choices, several of which were darlings of the base...and all had adequate funding and could have obtained more had they demonstrated some measure of success.
Contrast that with what happened on the Democratic side, where the favorite of the most rabid Lefties was the winner, and you have the makings of some very good books.
August 8, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
The epithet "Republican" will do perfectly well as the only pejorative Democrats need to consistently apply as concerns anything to do with Grandpa John McCain and the Geriatric Old Poops. As Harry Truman so truthfully said: "You don't have to give the Republicans Hell. Just tell the truth about them and they'll think its Hell."
From now until November, the Democrats simply need to repeat: "Bush, Cheney, McCain, Republicans" with a suitable tone indicating a no-need-to-explain-the-obvious revulsion. The voters already understand the implicit, horribly negative associations. "Republican" will certainly do as the Democrats' label-of-choice for Panama-John McCain until some more appropriate and vulgar synonym for venality, corruption, and criminal incompetence comes along.
August 8, 2008 3:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
@ Michael Murry
That works only if your candidate is Harry Truman.
August 8, 2008 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Identifying anger in Josh is an interesting take.
It's true he could be focusing on issues, but he didn't do that with Hillary Clinton, either. Maybe he likes wallowing in the smarmy stuff. Doesn't take much brain power. Compiling a video of McCain's gaffes and stumblings is pretty petty.
Then there's the recent obsession with the word "Jew-baiter." OMG! Give it a rest.
August 8, 2008 3:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
What exactly is wrong about providing actual video of McCain speaking? How is that a vicious, underhanded assault?
Josh hasn't superimposed images of Britney or Paris, on McCain. He hasn't added a sound track of people breathlessly chanting "McCainMcCainMcCain."
He's just chosen clips from actual McCain appearances, and collated them together.
Now, I admit that the result is pretty damning. I was opposed to McCain before watching that episode of TPMTV. But afterward, I was saddened -- and I wanted to know a lot more about McCain's advisers, because I was pretty sure they would be running the country de facto if McCain won.
Sorry. It's an important job. If one of the candidates shows that he doesn't have the mental acuity or verbal agility to do it, I don't want reporters to politely look the other way.
August 8, 2008 8:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Simple: it only says that McCain is old and prone to making mistakes in his speaking.
It says nothing about the ideology of his decisions or whether or not he has the judgement to make the right decisions.
It's just a petty, small and vindictive jab.
It says nothing about the direction the country will take under President McCain.
It doesn't offer the kind of contrast with Obama that would be meaningful to the low-information voter.
And that's wrong, because at the end of the day, that's the only choice that matters.
August 8, 2008 8:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
First, it's not quite the case that the montage shows you nothing about the way McCain thinks. See below.
And second -- being a good speaker is an important job qualification for the Presidency.
That's why I said "verbal agility" as well as "mental acuity." Speaking is one of the main things a President does. He needs to be able to read a teleprompter, he needs to be able to extemporaneously distinguish Sunnis from Shiites, he needs to be able to inspire and persuade.
McCain is actually painful to watch. Not just in this montage. I caught a three-minute interview with Meredith Vieira the other day and I was cringing. The guy's sentences never leave the room with the same verb that brought them.
I don't know whether it's age or something else. But it's a significant issue, even if it only affects the way he speaks.
August 8, 2008 9:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I feel exactly the same way you do. But I think in the bigger scheme of things this is irrelevant and it moves the conversation away from the main point: who is a better leader.
Talking about the telepromter or correctly pronouncing the terms only suggests that progressives want a young telegenic hunk of a President.
They seem to WANT only a celebrity because it's THE ONLY THING they are defending by counter-attacking McCain on his age and misspeaks and ignoring the key question about who's a stronger leader.
August 8, 2008 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
But the point Marshall keeps repeating is that the MSM "grades McCain on a curve."
August 8, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right. So the job now is to adjust that curve?
Please, let's be just a little bit more pragmatic and realistic.
On the other hand, I'm starting to think that some people are more comfortable having someone to blame. "Media" is perfect for that because it's everyone and no-one at the same time.
Least of all, progressives.
And, of course, if Obama loses, it will be media's fault.
August 8, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
And by the way, age is not the only issue here. McCain may be a little slower on his feet than he used to be, but if he had started out as a thoughtful, well-informed observer, he might still be ready for the job.
What I get from that set of clips is a guy who really can't be bothered to distinguish Sunnis from Shiites. He's content with the conventional wisdom about "Al Qaeda" as the enemy. And he has a vague sense that all of our enemies -- Iran, Al Qaeda, whatever -- are all in the same category.
That kind of intellectual laziness would be a problem if he were forty. If the machinery starts to creak and slip a bit, it's going to be a disaster.
The only thing I would ding Josh for is his apologetic intro to the montage, which seems to imply that it's only fair to run clips like these "because McCain went negative first." That's a teensy bit disingenuous. For one thing, TPM ran a montage from the green-screen speech some months back. More importantly, there's nothing especially risque about creating a montage of the other guy's own words, in order to ask whether he's got it together. That's a question we legitimately need to ask.
August 8, 2008 8:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
*sigh*
Alex, the point is, Josh's montage smacks of Little Green Footballs.
August 8, 2008 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Boy, life is tough for Democratic strategists. On one side of the arena, you've got nervous Obama fans screaming things like "What are you waiting for? Kick im in the nuts!! Gouge out his eyes!! That's the only thing they respect!!"
On the other side, you've got former Hillary supporters muttering "I say -- a montage? -- what happened to fair play, you know-- green screen -- unflattering lighting -- taking advantage of a poor duffer -- not quite the thing -- we thought you were an intellectual, my good man."
August 8, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
That seems a rather facile comparison. Hitler used to put his pants on one leg at a time. Does that mean that I (who also put on my pants one leg at a time) am especially similar to Hitler? There are somethings that LGF do that are really disgusting (such as the use of insulting and vapid neologisms like "feminazi") and somethings that they do that are not especially disgusting (like conducting their blog in English instead of Russian). Is a video montage like that part of their uniquely disgusting set of traits? I guess it does not seem so to me. The observation that such a video is not unlike something that LGF would do, in this instance, strikes me as rather more like the observation that Hitler also put on his pants one leg at a time.
August 8, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lalo, you're trying to apply your standard of behavior for Obama to a journalist and commentator who doesn't work for the campaign. Josh is free to write anything he wants, as opposed to the stricture of "respectable campaigning" you insist Obama adhere to.
And let's face it, Obama largely has adhered to a campaign of ideas and issues. It's McCain who has violated that standard most egregiously, just as it was Hillary who did during the primaries.
So if Josh wants to edit together McCain's "greatest flubs," what's wrong with that? McCain just releaed an ad stringing together ancient footage of Dems praising him — ancient but for a clip of Hillary's snub of Obama in favor of McCain.
McCain is the oldest presidential candidate ever, with war wounds that push his age beyond the mere chronology. His state of mind is entirely relevant to his qualifications, indeed it is the single most important dimension of presidential readiness.
August 8, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not insisting on respectable campaigning. Coming from me, a call for respectable campaigning would be a real shocker.
All I'm saying is that progressives are answering the wrong question, whether or not Obama is a celebrity. And, in anger, they are are pointing a finger at McCain, saying "Look, look, he's also a celebrity, plus he's the oldest".
It's like the progressives have been stuck in "Fight the Smear" section of a certain website since Candidate Gore times.
And all you hear is "fight BACK". I.e. defend, defend, defend.
To me attack is not defense. You go out there and you talk about why McCain is the wrong choice for the country because he has the wrong ideas - not because he's old and confused.
August 8, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good God. I agree with you on this point. Someone shoot me. I have completed the circle of life.
August 8, 2008 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just to be fair, TPM should issue a Bob Barr blooper reel, too.
August 8, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
John McCain has his own Chris Crocker.
August 8, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I cannot believe that this is the take-away that you found in that video. Surely you do not mean this in earnest? That video did not say "look, he is a celebrity." It said, "look, he is senile." That is mean, I grant you, but it is hardly an instance of unhinged rage. Mr Marshall's montage might not have been an answer to McCain's "who's ready to lead?" but it is an answer to a question every bit as much on the minds of voters "is McCain up to the job?". That you can see this as an example of a myopic rage on the part of Mr Marshall says more about you than about Mr Marshall himself.
August 8, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with this. I think this might say more about the poster's own light stomach for ridicule. In the quote, you indicated that strange omission of fact: the montage has no mention of, or reference to celebrity. There is a lot of projection going on in this post.
August 8, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
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