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Does Obama Need Propping Up?

As McCain closes the gap in the national polls and Obama's electoral votes fall to 275, based on a slim lead in Indiana, the Progressive blogosphere has been full of advice, some of it disguised as analysis, for the Obama campaign. 

With Obama's VP choice due to be revealed any day, a lot of the advice has come in the form of suggestions about how to pick the right VP.

The latest flap in the Middle East has sent the professional pundits out to find a VP for Obama who can blunt the momentum McCain picked up on the CIC issue when he grabbed the stage after Russia invaded Georgia.

Wes Clark's name was raised immediately, as was Joe Biden's.  Here at TPM, for example, Josh Marshall opined that Biden "is the guy you'd want to have making big decisions on the key foreign policy questions."  Then he goes on to speculate that Biden might provide "ballast" to Obama's foreign policy.

I'm trying to remember a time when a Presidential candidate picked a running mate to fill gaps in his own experience.

I know candidates pick running mates to shore up their electoral votes in states and regions, but to shore up their resumes?   When was the last time that happened?

Barack Obama is the anti-war candidate.  He is the internationalist in this race.  He could run with Biden and Clark both, and all three of them would not be able to out-hawk or out America first John McCain.

Except for Hillary Clinton, a pick that would at least assure a shot at Party unity,  the only rational VP selection for Obama is Richardson or Warner. 


Comments (49)

I prefer Tim Kaine to Warner. Warner has always left me very cold, although I know Virginians liked him quite a bit.

It's not about out-hawking McCain. It's about making the undecided voter comfortable enough to vote Obama. I think there is a lot of voters who want to vote Obama but are nervous about his national security credibility, and I think Biden would go a long way in easing these fears.

As for the last time a Presidential candidate chooses a VP to fill in resume gaps - look to 2000 and George W. Bush choosing Cheney.

Obama is not going to make in roads against McCain on National Security issues because McCain is a brand name there and Obama doesn't have the stomach to attack him on his strength. If Obama chooses Kaine or Sebelius, McCain will double down on Security with his VP pick and run a campaign of scare tactics and win when voters vote afraid come November.

McCain is likely going to choose somebody that shores up his perceived or real weaknesses as well. He's choose somebody younger and with economic gravitas and/or executive experience.

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1) Obama can't win Indiana. It's totally Republican. I'm calling it.

2) I can't believe Josh said that. Holy crap! Sometimes I wonder if Josh is a Republican operative disguised as a "progressive" to lead a merry band of gullible followers off a cliff. It seems to be working.

3) There are rumors Clark won't be attending the convention this year.

4) Obama + Biden = guaranteed loss in November. Why? Boring + spectacularly boring = Al Gore + Joe Lieberman. (Yes, I think Obama is boring.)

If Obama doesn't pick Hillary he'll lose.

It's scary how often I run into people who seem to be getting bored by Obama. It's not like the types who would vote for McCain, but more like a depression of turnout could happen.

But I disagree about Biden if this is the scenario. I envision him picking fights on various issues that would get MSM attention and serve to re-interest people. That he would do it outrageously and arrogantly at times and inject hyperbole, i.e. "this idea of McCain's is full of shit....would cost XXX lives...would ruin us" might push some out to vote that were getting so bored they weren't going to. Keep in mind that the media would not be playing entire lengthy Biden bloviations, only the choice inflammatory sound bites, and he's real good strategic player on the inflammatories, he likes doing it, hence his willingness to appear on the tube anytime, anywhere.

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Someone on CNN already quipped that if Biden is VP, reporters can expect to have the longest press conferences in history. :-)

I like Biden just fine. He's articulate and bright and clean and nice-looking.

heh, well there you go...perfect example of onea those inflammatories I was talking about...those that think McCain owns the "straight talk" crown are fooling themselves. :-)

heh again,

....Obama also invoked the name of "my friend Sen. Joe Biden" of Delaware....
from Obama attacks McCain but fails to sway VFW crowd, McClatchy, Aug. 19.

;-)

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Bad link, or bad point.

I had just read that using a breaking news link on MJ's thread from NobleCommentDecider here where he posted a different excerpt. McClatchy obviously has moved the story, I'm not going to track it down, suffice it to say, the point was: he called Biden his friend today, despite what Biden said about Obama in the past in gasket's link.

And it was addressed to gasket, because I believe from what he's written in the past that he would get it. But the bigger point is: don't believe politicians running for office hold what primary opponents do and say during a race against them. And that might be better applied to the tons of useless sturm and drang written on this site in the past few months about the Obamas hating the Clintons.

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I'm joking about Biden. I think it would be funny if Obama picked him, and he would certainly make the fall campaign more interesting in a Dick Van Dyke Show kind of way. But overall, he's fine with me. Occasionally irritating, but fine.

Ronald Reagan picked GHWB to fill the experience gaps on foriegn policy after a fairly bitter primary, and that turned out fairly well for his campaign if not for the nation.

Biden is a good choice in terms of foreign policy gravitas. If we listened to him with the partitioning of Iraq, we'd be in a much better position to leave at this point. But Biden makes mistakes and doesn't bring lots of energy to the ticket (except for people who follow politics closely). Clark is a military man, but doesn't out-military McCain and doesn't bring a lot of credibility on domestic issues. I like both though even though they both fall short on the enthusiasm factor and I don't know how many vote sthey can bring onboard that weren't Obama's to begin with

If Obama doesn't pick Hillary, it will likely be a nailbiter and then the manufactured terrorist alert/national security drama the week before the election may be able scare enough voters into choosing McCain. If he picks Hillary, I think he'll win handilly without the risk of losing. I'm betting the Obama campaign has had it with the close polls and is going to go for the knockout punch :)

Got to agree with you, there dij. I don't think Hillary would be a bad choice. I'm wondering if there are other good ones, too, though.

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I can't get with you on HRC, Ripper. She's got upside - but I still say her downside is every bit as high. For Obama, working with the Clintons is a high-wire act he probably doesn't need.

I can definitely live with Biden. I think it's huge that Saakashvili asked Biden to come to Georgia - it really reinforces Biden's gravitas. Also, I think Biden would open up a can - make that a keg - on McCain immediately.

BTW, doesn't it say something that, for all the hand-wringing that Dems are doing, Obama can easily go with an ultra-safe pick, while McCain needs to take more chances with his?

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The partitioning of Iraq is one of the most heartless, irresponsible policies we can pursue. It will cause more upheavel, anguish, sectarian fights then it would ever be worth and make countless numbers of people refugees in their own country.

Obama picking Hillary is the only chance we have of getting Hillary as president in 2008. It's dicey. She'll help him lose, but after McCain floods the media with Tuzla and Hillary's endorsement of McCain, and after the MSM gets done trying to draw parallels between Edwards and Bill, we need Hillary to come out of it without the Democratic establishment blaming her for the loss. Then Hillary vs. McCain in 20012 for the win!

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Talk about your high-wire acts.

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"I know candidates pick running mates to shore up their electoral votes in states and regions, but to shore up their resumes? When was the last time that happened?" It's been done to fill perceived gaps in every election where there were perceived gaps.

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Senator Obama should stick to what he said early on, and focus on picking someone who is ready to take over as President.

Perhaps Biden fits that description. So does Senator Clinton.

I think he should pick a woman, Senator Clinton, Senator McCaskill, or Gov. Sibelius.

My real politics senses tell me that if he picks a man, then McCain will pick a woman, and given the nature of the outcome of the Democratic primary season, McCain would then pick up a large number of women voters. I think Obama has to protect that flank.

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Obama doesn't need "shoring up" with foreign policy, he needs shoring up with the working and middle class. He needs someone who can speak to them without sounding condescending. You can't go to states like Ohio and Pennsylvania and Kentucky and say things like he did in the primaries such as "we need more coal mines" - the working class people hate the coal mines, that's no favour to them. He needs to tell these people he's going to protect them from the corporations, that he's on their side on jobs transfers to other nations and he has to tell them he's going to demand that workers rights be upheld. Joe Biden is a lightweight.

Yup. He's playing into McCain's "strength" validating McCain's message. That's how Kerry lost in 2004. He should be reinforcing his own strengths and the party's strength and he ought to be relentless on the economy and relentlessly opposed to the waste abroad. Instead, there he is today promising $1B to Georgia. Like, do I care about Georgia! Do I want yet another billion thrown away abroad? Let McCain rant on about that and then turn it around and make it work against him.

The truth is there is no one person who encompasses all the traits everyone 'wants'.

The bottom line is that if we trust Obama's judgment enough to support him for POTUS, then we should have confidence that he will choose the best one for his campaign and terms in office.

I hope that after his VP choice is publicized, that there won't be posts denouncing, denigrating and desparaging either Obama or his running mate.

At least not on Progressive blogs. I don't think we'll be able to keep the Free Republic from doing it. :)

You're far too modest, Billy. I'm sure you'll find countless opportunities to express your deep, deep concerns about Obama's choice of a running mate. Unless it's Hillary!

Sorry. I've said it a number of times, and I mean it. It's time to pass the torch. You guys take it from here. Sink or swim on your own.

Of course! Your sincere support for Obama is beyond question. And when you express concerns both deep and numerous about Obama's selection of a running mate it will be because you genuinely want to see Obama elected and can't believe he'd make such a boneheaded choice of a running mate against the campaign that McCain is running that is currently crushing Obama.

And when you point out that he needs propping up it's only a frank and honest admission that McCain is right when he says Obama isn't ready to be president and you just want to get Obama's supporters to also admit that he's not ready to be president and discuss ways that the right running mate might help to fill in the enormous gaps in his resume and create enough of a transient illusion that he's not as dismal a candidate as he really is, just long enough to let him squeak out a win against the awesome and powerful campaign that McCain is running. Obama supporters should appreciate your efforts more than they do.

Maybe I should post with an interlinear or a dummy's guide. The post says Obama doesn't need propping up. He needs to run as the peace candidate and run with another anti-war, internationalist like Richardson or an unknown like Warner. Attempts to fill his gaps with more experienced politicians will make him look weak. Hold your breath until you hear me comment one way or another on any VP pick Obama makes if it's not Hillary. I'll comment on that choice if he makes it. Maybe I'll do two posts. One for everyone else, and a dumbed down version just for you.

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"Does Obama Need Propping Up?"

If you mean in a "Weekend at Bernie's" kind of way, then this article should be about McBush.

I don't see the polls that "everyone" seems to be refering to that indicate that "Obama's lead has evaporated."

Look at it through PUMA eyes, my friend, and you'll have no trouble seeing that Obama has no chance of winning. Unless he picks Hillary!

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Obama needs Clinton, this latter-day Lady Macbeth, to get him to screw his courage to the sticking-place and start running a truly energized, and where necessary bloody, campaign against McCain. And they'll not fail.

Obama and his crew are brilliant strategists, I own, but there seems to be a terminal sort of lethargy in Obama's campaign and demeanor. Does he not want the presidency enough? With Hillary in the number two slot hectoring him, Obama will go into battle like eighteenth-century infantrymen, who learned to fear their officers more than the enemy.

LOL. If Maggie could made a man out of GHW Bush, anything is possible. Hillary does seem inevitable this evening, but let this cup pass. Hear me God.

I know candidates pick running mates to shore up their electoral votes in states and regions, but to shore up their resumes? When was the last time that happened?

2000 when Bush picked Cheney, the idea being that we don't need to worry about Bush because he'll have adult supervision.

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oh gosh are we still on the hrc tip? i know the chips seem to be down and we all want the dems to win by any means necessary (honestly, sometimes, i want hrc on the tix too), but let's allow the man to choose his running mate in a manner that suits him...he either wins or lose....

i am ok with whomever he chooses...i will even pop a bottle of advil if it is hrc, then promptly fall in line....

we cant keep fighting among ourselves....it is destructive...i can already picture a FISA type blowout over the VP choice...everyone has an opinion...the problem is opinions come a dime a dozen....cheap real cheap....

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"Does Obama Need Propping Up?"

No. McCain needs smacking down.

That's the spirit!

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The question is who is going to do that? You can only do so much with a teleprompter.

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`Obama and his crew are brilliant strategists,`

Myth. They understood the delegate math, potential of the caucuses, and, as that recent Atlantic Monthly analysis showed, they were up against crap strategists in the primary.

And now, in a completely different election, up against consummately ruthless opponents who know how to play on the voter amygdala, the campaign strategists have first to beat their own candidate's innate style and preferences. I feel for them.

If I hadn't made fun of so many people for waving pom poms and shouting well said! in the echo chamber, I'd say well said, Fran.

"Myth. They understood the delegate math, potential of the caucuses, and, as that recent Atlantic Monthly analysis showed, they were up against crap strategists in the primary."

Ah, so they were just good at math and Hillary had a crappy campaign. That's all it was. NOT. It was organizing. It was field work. It was an ability to stay on message. It was a candidate who could connect with voters. It was not only a brilliant strategy, but a well executed one.

The Obama campaign may not meet your level of perfection or the one you imagine when picturing Hillary against McCain.

Me, I think they are doing well and look forward to Obama's well-timed and thought-out responses to the Republican's ruthless attacks.

I'm just hoping I'll wake up to that text in the morning and all this veep rumination can be put to rest.

I'm hoping for Clark. Oops, I couldn't help myself....

I would like to see him pick Biden or Clark but as one of the reporters said this evening... there is no chemistry there. I just can tell that for some of the iffy undecideds having Biden or Clark shore him up on national security would be reassuring and give them comfort. These men have both run for president and so the notion that they are ready to be president is not really a question for them.
Hillary, please stop trying to shove her down my throat. Having Hillary on the ticket would be madness. It may sooth some angry voters but it could also make us lose the election. I can't stand the thought of Hillary in the white house and it would definitely rally the republican base and make this a much tougher battle.
We have heard nothing from Clark since he spoke up and criticized McCain's readiness to be commander and chief. I think Clark was right on but the Obama camp doesn't want to get into that battle so he chastized Clark which I was disappointed about. Since then I don't recall hearing from Clark at all. They say he will be out of town but I expect any contender to disuade us because the Obama wants to break this story. So with Biden and Bayh on the list as speakers... I just wonder... Kerry, Clark?

And this morning Indiana is gone and Obama is down to 264 electoral votes. Virginia is still a tie. Biden looks unlikely this morning.

http://electoral-vote.com/

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Big surprise Indiana is gone. It never was Obama's. Virginia is McCain country too.

I think Bill Clinton is so uneven in his praise for Obama because he already knows Obama can't win. It's not about jealousy or passing the torch (and it's certainly not about Bill's hidden inner racist). It's because Clinton knows Obama can't possibly pull off the math.

Not without Hillary, anyway.

Last time it happened was George W. Bush.

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I have argued for a couple of months now, that Obama's "move to the right" is not the correct strategy for this election cycle.

Unfortunately, he has followed his stable of "we know how to loose" Democratic advisers and have made traditional moves that have worked fabulously for both Gore and Kerry. He is also following in their footsteps by appearing to be sleep-walking through the process.

To make the farce complete, he needs to choose a "safe" VP candidate, that will facilitate deep snoring in the electorate - any of the commonly mentioned "front runners" would work very well in that regard. Biden would be a nearly perfect sleep aid - wordy, boring, pedantic and self-important - I would trust him to strip away any remaining independent's support Obama still may enjoy.

If this campaign dynamic doesn't change in a radical way very soon, we would be scratching our heads, wondering how the "best politician of his generation" has lost the presidency to a senile old man who can't use the computer and doesn't remember much of anything.

And it sure wouldn't be because of no racism.

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"And it sure wouldn't be because of no racism."

And you're positive of that, how exactly?

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I think that the percentage Obama is losing due to racism HAS GOT to be significantly smaller than the percentage McCain should be loosing due to a host of negatives aspects of him as a candidate that Obama's campaign has been very slow and reluctant to press.

If Obama's campaign actually starts using strategy and appropriate tactics that their massive war chest allows, they should leave McCain far behind. However, if they continue with Gore-Kerry replay, this race will be lost.

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I think I agree with all of your points except the first. You still haven't said how you determined that racial factors won't be the difference in an election that is presently a statistical tie.

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My point that if racial prejudice decides this election, it will be in large part due to the incompetence of the Obama's campaign.

This election was never supposed to be a statistical tie - he is running against an embalmed George Bush'43!

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Okay. While I don't agree with your argument, I do understand the point you are trying to make.

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