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Does Obama Need An Excuse?

Why are Obama's fans so determined to see racism in McCain's attacks?  Why, in spite of the risk, is Obama determined to make his race an issue in the campaign?

While race baiting worked against Hillary Clinton, Obama and Axelrod are smart enough to know it won't work with the general electorate against McCain, so why are they doing it?

And why are Progressive bloggers like Josh Marshall beating the racism drum?  Why are they decrying racism when McCain's attacks are so obviously aimed at Obama's inexperience and essential vanity instead of Obama's race?

I believe they are trying to manufacture an acceptable excuse for Obama if he loses to McCain, no matter how unlikely that loss may seem.  They need an excuse that will let Obama run again in 2012 instead of giving up on another run as Gore and Kerry did.

So they are setting up racism and the Bradley effect as the only possible explanation for an Obama loss in November.

I think that's a mistake.  Obama is already shopworn.  By 2012 he will be a bore.


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"Setting up an excuse" is a strategy that makes sense in games where the stakes of the game and the danger of embarrassment are roughly the same size.

But when you're running for POTUS, the stakes of the game are huge, and excuses are comparatively worthless.

In a game with stakes of this size, it would be *really* foolish to do something that would predictably hurt your chances of winning in order to "set up an excuse."

Since Billy isn't dumb, he knows all this. So I'm figuring that he doesn't really think Obama was setting up an excuse -- I figure he's saying it just to stir the pot. Since it's a slow news day, we ought to be grateful.

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He means it, Alex.

Hypothetical question: If Obama loses in November, what could the reason possibly be?

I'll meet you back here on Nov. 5th for that discussion -- or whatever other discussion we're having that Wednesday.

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If Obama loses, I'll be too depressed to come here of all places.

Yes, a lot of posters here claim that getting outraged and upset about Rovian tactics, etc. was what lost the Democrats their stab at the WH in 2004, and the demoralized base effect, I'd offer that what really demoralized the Democratic base was the inaction of Kerry and his supporters in the face of repeated attacks and concession to Republican talking points for the 3 weeks ending. "Not going to dignify that with a response" has NEVER worked for us, but they know that we latte drinkers are like this and that's what makes the red meat voters despise us. They play this game expertly, because we're so predictable.

We're seeing the same here, Obama backing off from Wesley Clark, throwing staffers like Harvell under the bus. The demoralized Dem base will still vote for Obama, but the Republicans and Swings *won't* vote for someone they perceive as opportunistic, weak and effete in the first place.

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I hate to disagree with you on this one but I think most indies or swing voters do not keep up with every comment made about Wesley Clark's true assessment of McCain's experience. If Obama had not condemned it - a fact Tom Brokaw was sadly unaware - he would have had to answer the question about it a million times. The issue this election is different than those in 2000 or 2004. The country will elect him if the percentage of those racists who will not vote for a black man, combined with traditional Repubs like tax-cutting tycoons and fundamentalists Bible-toting folks is sufficient to get him 270 electorals. These other issues of Clark, Harvell or Power are too peripheral to have much imact.

Throwing your camp under the bus for disciplinary issues is really bad for morale, it discourages other surrogates from laughing attacks on the side.

This tactic may have worked with Hillary as Obama has ONE clear, precise message then, but when the kitchen sink came out, he was flailing about a bit.

McCain is doing a "full-spectrum" attack, i.e. taking several angles at once to appeal to smaller, fringe segments of the electorate. You can't do a centrally-commanded response to this, it looks like you're fending off all manners of attack from one center, you look like you're under attack.

This is the time to have lots and lots of surrogates, not all flying at the same radar height, but each to target each missive from McCain. Clark is such a crucial asset, the only military voice with cred on his side, Obama is stupid to rein him back.

This is a particularly intelligent comment among many intelligent comments under an intelligent blog...

Normally I would assume that this was Glenn Greenwald talking to himself, but it's just a bunch of humble em>readers.

"Comme c'est bizarre, curieux, étrange, et quelle coïncidence!"

Congratulations to all concerned. This is what I always hoped political discussion in the liberal blogosphere would be, but somehow it wasn't.

Is that a compliment pour moi? :) Merci beaucoup...

It's definitely a compliment for you, and also for Billy Glad and the rest of the commenters who created a context where your subtle remark about the limitations of central command in general and General Clark's role in particular could shine, instead of being buried in a mass of low-concept rhetoric.

What a cop out, Alex. Didn't you just prove gasket's point? It appears that you can't think of a single other reason why Obama might lose. As a follow to the point I made to artappraiser below, who smart do Axelrod and Obama have to be to know they can count on the race excuse if they lose?

Oh, I can think of other reasons why Obama might lose. But there are other people on this thread who enjoy that kind of thing so much more, and they've done a pretty good job with it already.

With all due respect, Alex, I don't think you can.

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Alex is a commitment-phobe: He won't ever commit to strong opinions. I set up the question so that it could be answered as a clear "guess," but still he won't commit.

It is amazing, isn't it? My guess is that little Alex cares about how he looks to his friends. Probably weighs every sentence, trying to figure out what they'll think of it.

That's more like it! I was beginning to wonder whether you had lost your touch.

It's the new me. I'm backing the play of the lady who is trying to clean this site up. I enjoyed your comments over at the I hate Billy Glad thread. Like you just couldn't believe those people were that vile. But they were, and you were right in there, denying it was happening. Then you people turn up here, pretending to want to engage me in civil discourse? I'm guessing that wasn't your finest hour, Alex.

My guess is he does. Seems to me he took a rather principled stand on that odious and sophomoric, "I hate billy thread."

I seem to recall you used to respect that sort of thing. I think Ican understand your frustration, though.

Mistaking friends for enemies is almost as bad as the reverse.

I appreciate the correction. I'll read it again, and if I got it wrong, I'll apologize to him. It seemed to me he was taking the 3 monkeys stance. Wouldn't like it if he believed it was happening, but wasn't sure it was happening. Like there could have been some other purpose to that little thread?

I can only venture my own POV. It could be false or misinformed. I do know that you have been used, unfairly, and rather badly.

I hardly think I'm the only reader that has noticed. I think Alex has. As to why, I don't want to even go there. I just know that I appreciate your POV even if I don't always agree. You make me think. It hurts sometimes, but it's a good kind of hurt. A healthy one, if that makes any sense.

So, thank you. You make TPM a better place.

I try to use people as they use me. I think others do as well. Sometimes it all gets away from us a little. I appreciate your comment.

Obama has been whipped before when he didn't expect it. Just beating Clinton for control of the Party has been quite an accomplishment. He'd rather be the candidate than President if he has to choose.

Personally, I think Axelrod simply assumed that the Clinton-racism trick could be used against McCain just as effectively.

It only helped him that Ferraro, even though she spotted it, was so incoherent.

I don't agree that Axelrod Obama is injecting race to set up an excuse, he is doing it simply to innoculate Obama by hiding behind it.

But I do agree that josh Marshall is setting up race as an excuse: just watch how Briney Ad is already starting to be called a "rapist ad" on his blog here.

Because if Josh were to admit that he backed someone who sold out the "Progressives" on FISA et all and still lost to an old senile retard, Josh would reveal the wisdom on his own judgement.

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Lalo, Billy,

Your candidate lost the primary. Get over it already and get on-board with the nominee. Unless you are such poor losers that you really would rahter see the party lose this election.

And Lalo, where's your cynical McCain avatar? You know, something like McCain wearing Washington's wig (cause straight-talikn' John is so honest). Or are you, as I've long suspected, actually a Republican troll?

I'm usually very allergic to those whose Clinton-hate is so deep, blind and pathological as your previous posts on this site reveal.

But I'll hold my nose and if you send me a better avatar, I'd be happy to consider replacing this one.

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Lalo,

Its your past and current contempt for Obama that is most clearly apparent. The question is why are you still attacking the Dem. nominee? Are you a Republican troll or are you just a fool?

As for your avatar, you've shown enough creativity with Obama's image that I'm sure you could easily create one using McCain's - if you really wanted to. The fact that you haven't done so reinforces my suspicions about you.

If there is nothing more on the list of choices except for the two options you listed, I will take both.

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Indeed, as there's little difference.

Ok. Obama may bottle it - not have the guts, fire, hunger. That's possible. But I don't think anyone seriously thinks if he loses he's well set-up for 2012. You said it - lose this one, you're old news in 2012. Yes, he wants to own the party machinery now, I think, but because it sucks so bad when left to its own devices.

Here's my issue. Some people play it cool - in politics, or in sports. But that personality-type is a mystery to me. I'll take 3 shots to the jaw, but that's my limit - the gloves get dropped. But I've seen hockey players - and politicians and political advisors - who ran cooler. And Obama appears to me to be one of them. It irritates me, but I've seen it work. JFK had it. Ali had it. They let the other guy overextend, throw their stuff, until everyone watching knows 100% for sure that the other guy will say or do anything - is the aggressor. And then - BANG. One short sharp jab to the chin, and the other guy's down. It could be in one ad, one debate, one event, I donno. But there'll be lots of chances, McCain just IS a hothead- which has weaknesses.

Being cool can be risky though. You can get painted - like Kerry - and never recover. Or you may not have it in you to throw that well-timed, well-placed shot. But still... it CAN work. The best political advisor up North here is pure Obama. Lean, cool, always calm, razor-sharp analyst. But I played hockey with him. Never saw him throw a punch all year, then... championship game.... got taunted by the other team's nastiest guy, a punk like McCain. And took him out - right out of the blue. And it was so shocking when he did, everyone knew the game was over, right there. And he does the same in elections. 3 for 3 so far. Sets the stage, holds the reins, then.... bang. I just hope Obama's got that Ali, JFK thing - and isn't a Kerry or Gore, who, I think we'd agree, didn't have it when the chips were down.

But he didn't play it cool when he responded to the ad. If he's going to take the risk of playing it cool, he needs some surrogates who'll play it hot. If the campaign needs to respond on race, and I don't think this was the ideal ad to attack on that basis, then he needs some white guy making the attack.

Of course race is going to work with many voters, all too many voters, Hillary's campaign made that clear, but her campaign also made clear that he needs a sharper attack on the economy and he's failing to make it. Plus, he's doing the flip-flop thing on energy policy and he's getting clobbered on that. And I can't way to see his pro-war hawk VP choice to make his position on that issue totally incoherent.

As to 2012, if he loses he won't have another chance in 2012 and I don't believe the Clintons will have another change either. No Democrat who can screw up this election deserves another chance, ever.

The party is the larger problem. It better figure out how to stand for something soon, or it's going to be too late for this country. This country is in a huge mess headed in a radically wrong direction and all we've got in response is a party willing to compromise on every wrong policy out there.

The party is the larger problem. It better figure out how to stand for something soon, or it's going to be too late for this country.

Too late.

I don't agree. If it were anybody but McCain and any economy except the present economy, Obama might blow it. Against a walking cadaver with the economy on the rocks, no way McCain wins this one.

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McCain may be lots of things, but he's no cadaver. As long as he's a mean sonofabitch, he's not dead. Calling kids "little jerk" and showing discipline when your campaign gets ugly reveals McCain is very much alive.

Americans love a president who can be mean: Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, GWB.

Obama is proving to be the cadaver.

I think he's doing fine. The Progressive elite got off track by digging for racist smears like "uppity" when McCain poked fun at his "mighty hand" and his possum seal. An entertaining pastime is to watch the heads of the "liberal" pundits slowly grow into a point as they struggle with the proposition that they can see racism where ordinary Americans can't without seeming somehow elitist. Doesn't matter. The Party has accepted the excuse. He's accomplished his goal. Safety net in place. Win or lose, he won't have a serious challenger for the nomination in 2012.

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You're much more of an optimist than I am.

Not as much at stake. Having just lived through 8 years of the most ignorant, corrupt an incompetent administration in American history, I'm confident I can survive McCain or Obama.

Quinn,
This is something I intuit about him, too, but I'm not convinced I am right. Well said, though, very well said. :-)

You know, my friend, that's about as poetic, wishful and inaccurate version of how Obama got the nomination as I've seen. You seem to forget that he barely eked out a victory, mainly by using the tactic that just blew up in his face.

http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/21531/rasmussen-poll-more-voters-think-obama-played-race-card-than-mccain-in-recent-political-mini-firestorms/

Here's the meat.

Sixty-nine percent (69%) of the nation’s voters say they’ve seen news coverage of the McCain campaign commercial that includes images of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton and suggests that Barack Obama is a celebrity just like them. Of those, just 22% say the ad was racist while 63% say it was not.

However, Obama’s comment that his Republican opponent will try to scare people because Obama does not look like all the other presidents on dollar bills was seen as racist by 53%. Thirty-eight percent (38%) disagree.

Is that the surprise knockout you're looking for? Obama is no Ali. I wouldn't even know where to start spelling out the differences.

Obama won - beyond all the racist vs sexist stuff - because he ran the table on those dozen primaries in Feb-March when HRC's team of geniuses had their heads up their arses, in an absolutely textbook case of stupid. After that, Obama's team kept saying, "it's the math." We kept looking at it up here & going, "it's the math." He eked it out, yes - but he didn't need a TKO, he had it on points. I hate that style of politics - but he backed into victory, and that's it. Game/set/match Obama.

As for all this racist card & who played it shit... I feel the same way. It WAS going to come out - Rove's no fool. Did they play it here? Well, I couldn't see/hear it much, that's for sure (Though Lieberman's "Just lie back & enjoy it" quote kinda struck me as interesting.) Did I like Obama's team bleating on about it? No.

EXCEPT, sometimes you LOSE on a particular point... so long as you know it won't matter later. Take the hit, move on. And it CAN inoculate you. Let's test this. Tell me - After this, can McCain now run a BETTER ad that has racial undertones in it? I'd say it's tougher for he/Rove to do so. But Billy, right now... I really don't KNOW if this thing was deliberate, or an accident or one of a pattern of fuck-up's by a team of losers.

And is Obama an Ali? Obviously not, in lots of ways. But, you gotta say there's some serious talent there. Speaking is no small art. Smiling & being able to work the backrooms is another. A sense of timing/ambition. Knows how to take a win on points, with no TKO. And he just IS pretty cool under pressure. I'd prefer a Frasier or a Foreman, yeah. Hell, even a Leon Spinks. But I'm not sure the "race card" fumble/issue clinches that debate.

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Wait. You're being revisionist, quinn. Let's be accurate about this. There's no reason not to be accurate, even though your opinion of Hillary clearly influences your perception.

Obama couldn't beat Clinton even when her campaign fucked up! In order to win:

1) Two entire states had to be eliminated
2) the superdelegates had to move to Obama at the very end.

In any case, if anyone can win on points, it's the Republicans, not the Democrats. Republicans are the masters, which they've proved repeatedly. Obama can't hope to win the GE on points. So unless there's another way besides a knockout and a technical, Obama is in deep shit right now.

Winning requires a deep knowledge of your opponent and yourself. I see no evidence that Obama knows either one convincingly. He's winging it.

Just look at the front page now. It's a disgrace. I'm as from the South as it gets. This is 2008, for Chrissakes. This pitch is to the base to hold them in line if Obama gets creamed. Racist dog whistles? How many voters in 2008 are going to go for that black man in the same commercial with white women crap speak? Look at the polls today. Americans are not stupid. Obama played the race card and McCain is breaking it off in that part of Obama's anatomy where he must have had his head when he started crying race. What a shame.

If you're from the South, then you know good and well what "code" McCain's camp is speaking. To suggest otherwise is ignorant or worse. We already know you're not ignorant.

Come off it. In one breath you tell me Texas, SC, NC, Virginia and LA are all in play, in the next you tell me the South is full of racists. The South, like the rest of America, has come a long way in the last 50 years. The code meme is passe.

You come off it. Ever heard of Willie Horton?

And don't put someone else's words in my mouth. I didn't tell you shite about what states are in play. Generalization is one of the most common logical fallacies. Billy.

Obama is one who says those states are in play. Go rant at him if you don't like it. Apparently your position is that he can write those states off. Why get angry when someone doesn't agree with your assessment of the South. Anger clouds the intellect. You just went off 180 degrees from the 50 state strategy. I'm wondering if an American avatar would help you calm down.

And what would be the purpose of sending subliminal messages to racists when the opponent has a black face which those racists can see for themselves? If their advertising target is racists, then every ad showing Obama's face should work. You've lost focus on the type of voters that the candidates are fighting over.

And why are Progressive bloggers like Josh Marshall beating the racism drum?

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. And it's not duck baiting to call it daffy.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/only_22_say_mccain_ad_racist_but_over_half_53_see_obama_dollar_bill_comment_that_way

And what are all of these people who disagree with you? Bitter and clinging to their misconceptions?

And what are all of these people who disagree with you? Bitter and clinging to their misconceptions?

Some perhaps. But most of them probably aren't aware that McCain posted a web ad last month that showed a likeness of Obama on a $100 bill among other things. Its entirely fair for Obama to bring that up. To suggest that he shouldn't pretty much sets up a double standard: McCain can say whatever he wants, Obama can't rebut.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDTJDv4hevU

CNN, McCafferty or Dobbs, did that with the money last week. They put Obama on a bill and compared it to the other faces on bills. So what? Are you trying to deny what Obama already admitted? He played the race card. It was a mistake and he's paying for it big time. What Obama should be doing is running the pic you use and the video of McCain and GHW Bush tottering across the tarmac down in Houston.

Billy:

You're going to have to post a link to this admission you mention.

The "so what" is that Obama has a right to call out McCain when he pulls stunts. The dollar bill ad is a stunt.

What Obama should be doing is running the pic you use and the video of McCain and GHW Bush tottering across the tarmac down in Houston.

I don't disgree with that, but if you haven't noticed, he's having to spend to responding to McCain's stunts.

Why are we accountable for how anybody perceives things in this climate of Republican propaganda and doublethink? How do you account for the percentage of people who still believe Saddam had something to do with 9/11? Or that the earth is flat?

We can try to dissuade people from their perceptions, but we're not responsible for their errors in that regard. It's a Republican rhetorical tactic to try that, by the way.

I think my point is that you're not accountable for what they think, since you can't control it. We don't have the science to implant those nodes in their brains yet. Why do people still believe Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11? Ignorance. They trust the wrong people. In this case Cheney maybe. Do you know the percentage of Obama's base that can find Iraq on the map, even if it's labeled?

Either it's accusing America of racism or an admission that Democrats nominated a John Kerry.

Oh gee, black lincoln, we wouldn't want to accuse America of racism, would we? Not here, not in the land of the Five Nations, the Choctaw, the Lakota, the Pueblos, the Powhatans, the "peculiar institution", Reconstruction, Jim Crow, "separate but equal", Imperial Wizards of the KKK, Aryan Nation, White Power, John Birchers.

That's all in the past. Nothing today that the Party of the "Southern Strategy" would do in the spirit of Lee Atwater; nothing Willie Hortonish about the Harold Ford/Barrack HUSSEIN Osama (oops, I meant Obama). Nothing at all. It's all in the deluded, star-struck eyes of Obamatons who are merely making up excuses for Obama's failure four months out because everyone knows America will not really elect a black man. But that's not racist.

"It's all in the deluded, star-struck eyes of Obamatons who are merely making up excuses for Obama's failure four months out because everyone knows America will not really elect a black man. But that's not racist."

What exactly is racist about my saying that Obama is using race as an excuse if he loses the election? I certainly never said America will not elect a black man. And I didn't say everyone knows anything. And I don't even use the term Obamatons.

If McCain said, look, they are going to attack my age, they are going to frighten you by saying I'm too old, older than those other guys on the dollar bills, I'd be saying the same thing about McCain. I'd say he's getting an excuse lined up in case he loses. I'd say he's playing the age card on Obama.

Obama ought to do an ad using the original mummy footage. Mummy staggering around, looking for solutions to the economy. Looking for a way out of Iraq. Vex McCain into going off about his age.

Barry = Kerry.

no, gotalife. Obama is not Kerry. Not even close. Really. ;)

That's true. Kerry was actually part of the anti-war movement Obama has associated himself with, just as Jesse Jackson was part of the Civil Rights movement. Does anyone have a copy of the speech Jackson gave in Chicago the day Obama gave his?

As if that were friggin relevant to anything. Weak, Billy. Resorting to red herrings.

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hrebendorf? Is that you?

Nobody can find that Jackson speech. Obama kept his. Anybody got a copy of Jesse's?

That couldn't be the pussy hare. He knows you're not supposed to use multiple identities around here.

Barry = Kerry.


Dems hope so. Sen. Kerry earned more votes than anyone in the history of the United States. More than Nixon in 1972, more than Reagan in 1984.

Do you really think Sen. McCain is going to pull those kind of numbers? NFW.

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Reposted from a similarly themed thread:

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Wait a minute people!

One cotton-picking second.

I wasn't born stateside and am often very surprised at the strange and unexpected ways race manifests itself in the native-born American psyche.

It often appears to be bubbling along just below the surface somewhere between consciosness and subconciosness in many an American.

It is undeniable that Obama's father's skin color makes a significant difference to many Americans in their choice of President.

Now, every time "race" is mentioned by anyone on either side, a whole hullabaloo erupts with everyone coming out with long, seemingly shop worn positions, as if they have been thinking about it for quite a while.

The accusation that "race has been injected" into the campaign is wholly innacurate and disengenuous for the campaign in the American elecorate - you can't inject something if it is already there.

The feighned outrage on either side is foolish as well - it only serves to reinforce the fake and fragile balance the whole issue of race has taken in the American society. On one side, the race has to be "ignored" in our "equal" society, on the other side it is on everyone's mind pretty much all of the time.

As someone who was not born here, I find that a social construct of "race" is something that most Americans who were raised here are keenly and sensitively aware of and affected by. There are compex social rules and symbols that you people are socialized into from an early age, like a secret handshakes of "race understanding". These secrets are different between different groups of Americans and since any real dialogue on these issues are really not allowed in the main stream these days, the dichotomy of race continues to divide this country.

For the record, Obama is biologically "bi-racial", with a mother who looks pretty lilly-white to me (but what do I know - since I go by skin color I have "wrongly considered" people's race divisions any number of times). This would place him in "no man's land" of America's unspoken racial divide.

I don't really think there is a "winning strategy" for his predicament. But talking clearly about it may be a good start.
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Bottom line, RACE is a major undercurrent of the American society, which permeates many an American psyche, wether they like to deny it or not.

dimitry

I'd simply like to compliment you on your last few comments around the site. I think they have been spot on and I am impressed with your bead on American culture in general.

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Thanks, man!

Having a leg in both immigrant and native-born communities, sometimes it seems I may understand how Obama must have been brought up.

Now he is being pummeled by both sides, with the whites demanding he divests himself of any vestiges of "race" (white meaning) and blacks demanding he reasserts his "race" (black meaning).

It is a deep set of separate but interlocking subliminal codes that are opaque to the uninitiated. What I find kind of crooked is that Americans generally don't acknowledge this to be an issue - it is an integrated part of the society, everyone is "in" on "it".

The subliminal code thing is yesterday's theory. Went out with the bullet theory. We have a more interactive theory of communication now. The viewer gets more responsibility for constructing the message. However, the subliminal code theory does have the advantage that you can always claim you're right and we just don't know it. The message being so subliminal and all. C-.

So, if a viewer is responsible for constructing his orher own perception, You'd have to say that all those people represented in your percentages of people who think something is racist or not, are, like yourself, constructing a reality that denies anything having to do with racism or, for that matter, anything that functions on the non-literal, metaphoric level of communication.

Tell all the marketing departments around the country that subliminal is passe. Heh.

Yes. Some people build their world one way, some another. In each case, they incorporate their own experiences and values. In this case, I don't see racism. I see Obama portrayed as a hustler and a phoney. Pretentious and arrogant. Those aren't characteristics of any one race. If I knew any Madison Ave firms that were still stuck in the bullet and subliminal messaging paradigm, I'd be glad to tell them to get off it. It doesn't work. And, if you get exposed trying it, it makes people angry.

I don't understand how what looks to be McCain's approach to Obama is any different than the approaches taken by the GOP against two white guys in 2000 and again 2004. Sleazy yes, but I don't think it helps anyone to suggest that trying to portray Obama as an out-of-touch elitist is racist. I know Josh quotes a fellow reader on the front page who quotes Gergen this morning as suggesting that the McCain camp is using code. Dunno, most of us were there in 2000 and 2004, and this kind of slimeball regular guy attack seems GOP 101. Can somebody who sees racism explain what I'm missing?

In any event, excuse for defeat or not, Democrats including the Obama campaign and its captive creative class of bloggers should just back off and at least try not to lose thing. Obama needs to be focusing on the economy and the cost of just getting by and then some. He should be talking to workers. He should be touting infastructure until it hurts. He needs domestic focus. If this election turns out to be a referendum on racebaiting, Democrats lose. It's starting to be a bit irritating. Good thing it's only August.

They won't back off, that's the problem, and they certainly won't embrace the hated Hillary-style campaign message you're recommending.

Nonsense. Last week was supposed to be about a populist economic message. We fumbled the ball, but it's not because we were running the wrong play.

Bruce, I totally agree about the focus of the campaign, and I'm confident that Obama will try to avoid more "dollar-bill-type" slips.

Bloggers, by contrast, should say whatever they think is true and important -- not just what helps the campaign.

Nevertheless I sort of agree that it would be smart for the progressive commentariat to chill a bit about race. Not because I want to turn bloggers into campaign functionaries, but for larger cultural reasons. Josh is certainly right to say that political messaging is non-Newtonian. Issues like race, and gender, and age, are usually in the mix somewhere. But I'm not sure that it helps any of us to be too quiveringly sensitive to those factors. That stuff is going to go on beneath the radar. But when it's really beneath the radar, you can't call bullshit on it -- at least not in a *general* election ;-) -- so you might as well just ignore it and stay on the offense. Which, obviously, is what we're going to do.

I like Jonathan Alter's response to last week, which is too disgusted by McCain to waste much time arguing about race:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/150477

Bloggers, by contrast, should say whatever they think is true and important -- not just what helps the campaign.

Nevertheless I sort of agree that it would be smart for the progressive commentariat to chill a bit about race.

To be brutally honest, what I see going on with all this is the same thing many blame the "MSM" for doing. I think its been misunderstood why it happens with the MSM and that bloggers don't see it happening to them exactly in the same way.

I think Josh Marshall ends up talking about race in this instance and in similar instances because his traffic goes up when he does. That's not saying the correlation is directly mercenary. I don't think it is with someone like Josh just like I don't think it is when similar happens with lot of MSM either. That's saying he has a base readership developed over many years, he pays attention to them, he reads their emails, he watches what interests them in their traffic stats (and the Recommends now with the new software, which is one big reason why I think it appealed to him--that he could have Recommend function on every story.) He caters to his audience, writes about what they like. It starts to color his perspective and world.

I base this on the very non scientific evidence of it happening to me over the last few years if I spend too much time getting info. from one forum community without getting other perspectives. I've realized months later after getting too involved in getting info. from one place that I've been in a fog and not gotten a good perspective.

This is the same thing with Neilsen ratings on TV news coverage. You get coverage of shark attacks because ratings go up and don't get coverage of the United Nations because no one watches it or an interest. It is also the reason that the websites of newspapers are different from print versions of newspapers and why tabloid newspapers which are sold more at newstands than by subscription are different from subscription newspapers.

There are two things with different motives that get the same results: pandering directly to audience; getting so knowledgeable about your audience preferences and mindsets that you start feeding them echoes of their own minds and tastes. From watching what he quotes from emails, I think Josh's interest in his audience is warping his journalism. Further, The "collaborative" thing doesn't work very well if your audience is not very mixed, you're censoring the input, selecting narratives by virtue of having a like minded audience.

P.S. I laughed aloud at this related comment on another thread and saved it, it really gets at the heart of the matter for me:

Manufacture the news for ratings. Parse every word and report every poll.

I have given my television the rest of the summer off.

Posted by 1849
July 28, 2008 7:15 PM

Televsion the problem, baloney! What the heck is TPM Election Central but parsing the campaigns every day? This site not only reports every poll but proudly trumpets that it has that feature. In January Josh Marshall proudly declared that is what the site was going to emphasize, over presenting issues (which is described as forcing people to eat their spinach), that he loves the circus and thinks it is a good thing about America.

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Bruce, good to have you back! Right on the money as usual. Now I can stop posting and simply put dittos under your comments :)

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Obama and his supporters need a mantra.

"We do not speak of race. We do not see racisim." In their minds, racism should not exist in this election. When asked if something is racist, the quick and reactionary answer should be no, it's not, and let the questioner know that they do not think in racial terms. It may all be a lie, but if Obama doesn't adopt that strategy, he will lose this election.

I happen to think the ad is racist -- only to suggest that the black man is comin' for your women. But that won't fly in a GE. it worked against Clinton because most Democrats are conditioned don't want to appear racist at all. We beleive that those who call out racism, for the most part, have a point. But the other side -- and they make up most of the voting public -- don't think the point is valid. And very few things infuriate them more than when someone assigns racism to, well, anything.

The reason the ad has legs isn't because it's a racist ad, it's because Obama's people keep telling everyone it's a racist ad. And they look at it and say, "I don't see it," and then they think "is this the way it's going to be? Every little thing is about race?" and then McCain looks better to them.

Here is a highly subjective and unprovable point. While we may not beleive this to be true, I think most white Americans think the playing feild has been leveled. They do not think racism is as persuasive as it used to be. So when something they consider innocuous is labled racist, they react negativly to it. It makes them wonder what is enough -- at one point are they supposed to stop feeling guilty?

One of the things the pundits have said is that every time race gets into the conversation, Obama loses. I think they are right about that.

I believe they are trying to manufacture an acceptable excuse for Obama if he loses to McCain

Just like with Bush conspiracy theories that presume extreme competence on the Bushies part, I am very skeptical of this.

You seem to have a willingness to attribute extreme competency and grand plan vision, where, if anything, I see more evidence of fly by the seat of the pants, as with most campaigns.

I think the Carville 92 discipline was a rare thing that worked only because situations were right. Now with many multitudes more of 24/7 coverage of horse race, it is pretty tough not to have to do seat of pants, how can the whole internet meme machine with YouTube et. al. be controlled, for example? You cannot control message very easily, you have a thousand things to react to everyday and try to figure out which ones will get traction or resound. You are just giving them more ability to control than I would.

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Why are Obama's fans so determined to see racism in McCain's attacks?

I must say I am puzzled by this. It definitely seems to me to be a Northeastern urban liberal thing. Especially people who though they may be well-traveled, haven't traveled much outside big cities in the U.S. For me, it brings back all kinds of equally clueless stuff I've read by similar bloggers trying to figure out flyover country people. Genghis teased me about the stereotyping of liberals who proudly say they don't watch TV and don't see tabloids because they shop at Whole Foods, but I actually do believe it's an identifiable problem. That type of person who removes themselves totally from pop culture can get to have the same problem like a home schooled fundie Christian kid. I see some of it every day just shuttling between the Bronx and upper East Side Manhattan--those are two different worlds in themselves. (I wish we had access to old reader blog archives, member Emma Zahn did a great post about something Josh said about Southerners or Catholics, she replaced what he used with Jews and showed how ridiculous it sounded, he sounded like he was talking about some exotic tribe on the other side of the world. It was a great catch. She was always a very analytic type poster, never one to do inflammatory, she just saw it as funny and presented it that way.)

I should add that bslev/Bruce gets it (great comments lately, bslev.) I think he gets it because he works with "da Bronx" world.

Thank you artappraiser. Much obliged.