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Barack in Trouble? No! Really! Everything is Fine!
This is getting very tiresome. More and more we're seeing blog-post after blog-post telling us everything is fine. That, despite our lyin' eyes, Obama really has McCain exactly where he wants him! Heh.
Despite the fact that Republicans are likely to have their asses handed to them again in House and Senate races, despite the fact that Dubya continues to show ridiculously low approval numbers and therefore all GOPers are running away from him, despite the fact that GOP voter rolls are down, and Dems up, despite the fact that John McCain is every bit the uninformed, inelegant, inarticulate boob Dubya is...despite all this and more, the race is pretty much neck and neck! WTF!?
Now I know we're not allowed to say anything that can even remotely be construed as negative about the good senator from Illinois... but seriously... there has never been a more opportune moment in history for the Democrat to beat the Republican. This is ours to lose. Unfortunately, it is beginning to look as if we will!
No matter how many bloggers try to tell us all is well, the truth is... all is NOT well. Continuing to put a happy face on everything that by all rights should really make you frown, will not win us the election in November.
It is well past time for Obama and Axelrod and all others of weight to get off their collective fucking asses and DO SOMETHING!!!! You are blowing it. Fight back! Get pissed off. You do not have to lose an ounce of dignity in doing it either. You do not have to stoop to Republican gutter levels. You only have to fight. All that earlier talk about the "Chicago way," about bringing a gun to a knife fight? Remember all that? Well, get on with it!
No amount of ridiculous, happy-happy-joy-joy blogs made in these pages is going to put Barack Obama in the White House. Keeping quiet, watching our words, speaking not ill of the candidate... this will not work!
Fight goddammit! Fight!












Comments (61)
Dems aren't real fighters; they are debaters. Republicans know this and use it. Republicans know us better than we know ourselves.
August 5, 2008 9:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Some Dems are fighters! I say unleash the Carvilles, Bill Clintons, Wes Clarks and Jim Webbs and stand back and watch the carnage!
August 5, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fine with me, but haven't they been muzzled and put on a short leash?
August 6, 2008 1:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I said this on another post recently but it bears repeating: If someone punches you, kick their ass! It's the American way and any candidate who doesn't demonstrate this will never get elected by the American people. It's why the repubs can get away with ignorant policy with a tough guy exterior. If people think you're a punk they're not gonna vote for you. Ways to make them think you're a punk is to let someone keep hitting you without hitting them back. Think back to every presidential election you can and while fighting back wasn't the only reason a certain candidate won, not fighting back was definitely the reason some candidates (Kerry, Gore, Carter come to mind) lost. If your campaign is looking like Milhouse standing there with Nelson beating the crap out of you, then you're gonna lose. Even if it isn't your personality you still have to kick the bully in the nuts and throw dirt in his face at least once so people know you'll fight back and defend yourself.
August 5, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sad, but true I'm afraid.
For now there's time still... but something like a vigorous smackdown best happen soon!
August 5, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is also why the entire fucking world really does not like the U.S. very much as a nation.
That line of thinking is so.. primitive.
August 5, 2008 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Loki, you are entirely correct.
Hillary wrote a book, "It Takes a Village"
Well, winning an election takes a Party, a Whole Party.
We've got to get the Party involved, not just the campaign folks.
We have a LOT of democrats who can hold their own with any living republican. They should be getting out and speaking their minds. All those names given above. And plenty, plenty more. Good Gravy we have a lot of people who can put an icepick in those republican tires! All the ex-candidates for one. Lots of the senators, reps, Governors, we have a big team.
We should be using it to its fullest. If we throw enough pressers at the MSM wall some will stick!
We should be like the old Hells Angels:
Attack one of us, you're going to be fighting all of us!
August 5, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes indeed Lux! The Whole Party!
August 5, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah! The whole party! Except the base, who the fuck needs them.
August 5, 2008 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
August 6, 2008 12:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
But the party itself is a big part of the problem. Its not just that the last few Dem. presidential nominees have seemed reluctant to fist fight, its also that most of the Dems. in congress seem unwilling to fight.
We had Chuck Schumer giving political combat advice to Obama the other day. WTF?! Schumer rolled over to helped give us Alito and Mukasy.
Congress' approval ratings are beneath Bush's. How unreal is that!
August 5, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Media-wise, I would guess, the Democratic Party is only deploying 1-2% of its available resources.
That may not be enough; ya gotta want it baby!
August 5, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Krugman apparently agrees...
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/04/post-partisan-depression/
August 5, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Post-NAFTA, post-FISA, post-drilling, post-Cheney energy bill, post-"universal" healthcare, what's left to fight for?
Abortion impeachment and judges? That's just half hour of pilates for Pelosi.
August 5, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
If it's so tiresome, blog elsewhere. Why whine about it?
August 5, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kettle?
August 6, 2008 7:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Loki--as I have indicated before, I do not see the situation quite as rosy as clearly some here do.
However, I vehemently disagree that the only other option is to become thugs like the Republicans instead. Could there possibly be something between the two extremes?
August 5, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
There always is. People resort to extremes in times of desperation. FISA is a great example of this. Of course, so is this current situation. But the thing is, in these situations, one need not take extremes to see results, and I believe that not resorting to extremes will be better in the long run.
August 5, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
be a permanent minority party?
August 5, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
C'mon.... don't read too much into it. No need to resort to Republican Thugism. Honestly.
August 6, 2008 7:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was agreeing with your post, but taking exception to the suggestion of using e.g. Carville. He is exactly as thuggish as the Republicans are.
August 6, 2008 8:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Couch strategists unite! We must rout the enemy with our fearless spewing of unsolicited campaign advice into the blogosphere. David Plouffe must heed our roar or face the consequences of only marginal advantage in the polls. Some may remain mute while Obama's foolish generals send him to the slaughter but not us. We feel every weak poll, every false note, every media critique like a knife in the gut. We care not that it's only August, that VPs have not been selected, that conventions have not been held, that everyone in the friggin' country is on vacation except for diehards like us. We demand that Obama immediately eviscerate McCain with harsh attacks which we are confident will not turn off anyone who happens to lack our partisan rage. We know what those cowardly advisers do not: McCain must be smashed with a blunt hammer. We salute our own wisdom and courage, and we have already prepared our "I told you so's" for what we know, in our infinite second-guessing, will certainly be another Democratic loss. Listen to us, goddammit!
August 5, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well said, Genghis. I completely agree with the sentiment. We're overreacting if we think it's over unless Obama not only takes a gun to the knife fight, but shows up early and instead of a gun, has a Vulcan Turret.
August 5, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait a minute, Chrono. Your post below @ 8:02 was rather thoughtful and fair minded...then you post this? What gives?
August 6, 2008 7:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with speaking up and pushing Obama to fight back. I don't agree with self-defeatism and worrying to the point of exhaustion, which so many people seem to be doing.
I've always believed Obama is doing better than some people think he is. So why should we resort extremes? What does that accomplish? My agreement with Genghis was really for the most part an agreement with this statement:
"We feel every weak poll, every false note, every media critique like a knife in the gut. We care not that it's only August, that VPs have not been selected, that conventions have not been held, that everyone in the friggin' country is on vacation except for diehards like us."
Healthy criticism of Obama's tactics is important. Believing that all is lost because of a shift in the polls is destructive.
August 6, 2008 8:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ain't it the truth? Don't you just love people who have no understanding of campaigning whatsoever going ballistic in the first week of August, not understanding that there are 3 months of campaigning left? Thank goodness Obama's campaign is in the hands of tested, and tactically brilliant, professionals.
August 5, 2008 11:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Beautiful! Is there a hole in your cheek where your tongue went through it? Hee, Hee!
August 6, 2008 12:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sweet.
August 6, 2008 7:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
From Gengis:
Our vote, we will offer when the time comes. Our voice, we offer everyday on this site and others. Many of us have already offered our time and money to the campaign, and many more will do so before November.
Plan to to vote for him, already gave money, sorry... not enough time to give, but am offering my voice as you suggested.
I now realize that for you it must be a happy-happy voice only. I honestly didn't think you were that way. Ah well.
August 6, 2008 7:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Damn! Bad html! This is what I meant to do.
August 6, 2008 7:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
No fair using my own words against me. You've exposed the inherent contradiction between cynical Genghis and enthusiastic Genghis. The former easily could have lampooned of the latter's post.
But if you've read me at all, you'd know that I'm often quite welcoming of Obama criticism. But there is, no offense, a superciliousness to your post. You don't tell us what makes you believe that Obama is blowing it, you just insist that he is. You don't tell us why you believe that going negative is necessary, you just insist that it is. You don't acknowledge counterarguments or risks to your proposals. Your post has the feel of an armchair quarterback shouting at the television, not a brilliant tactician offering a well-conceived plan.
In other words, it's not your point that I lampoon so much as the way you've made it.
August 6, 2008 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
C'mon now... don't make me go back and find one of your supercilious posts to use against you. You know, those times you just felt like spouting off into the ether simply because it felt good?
I'm really not sure if you and I ever had a tiff before, (I don't think we have) but I don't get your mocking post at all... even after you try explaining it. But... who knows, a couple more cups of coffee, a little more morning clarity and I'll probably fall right in line with you folks in the No Attacking Obama Clique.
August 6, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is your right to spout off into ether and my right to mock you for doing so. (And likewise, your right to mock me for doing the same.)
I am not a member of the "No Attacking Obama Clique" nor do I have any wish to join. But if you attack Obama, you must do it well or else suffer the horrible fate of my mocking.
PS I hope that this does not constitute a tiff. I'm done with tiffs. And I appreciate your posts though I have mocked this one.
August 6, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I feel I have to weigh in, since I'm one of the people pushing a positive tone here on TPM. Also, as my last two posts (both of which were the most recommended for a time) which one could construe carried with them a message of "all is fine."
I understand what you're saying, but I don't think it's as simplistic as "all is fine" or "all is not fine."
Obama is doing fine, and those that believe otherwise couldn't be looking at the actual numbers: state-by-state polling, voter registration, etc.
All is not fine because certain people have gotten complacent. Certain people don't feel the need to continue speaking up. Certain people think Obama's got it in the bag, and there's no way he can lose. People in this category need as much of a reality check as those who think Obama is on the verge of losing the election because McCain gained a few points in pointless national polls.
We need to continue to speak up strongly when Obama could improve his campaign: it's message, his speeches, his positions, etc. We need to be there and keep him on his toes (which is why I'm recommending this post). At the same time, we cannot have a self-defeatist attitude that everything's gone to the shitter when McCain makes a gain here or there. That should not frighten us, but compel us to work harder for Obama.
As for Obama himself, and whether he's fighting back enough or not... If this was September, I might be more worried. For the moment, I'm not as worried as others are. Though I will admit, Obama needs to sharpen the rhetoric. I was glad to see him mocking McCain on the "tire pressure" non-issue. We need more of that.
August 5, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, I think we are pretty much in agreement.
August 6, 2008 7:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
loki redux is right...
Jesus God-damn tap-dancing Christ he's right.
Obama sucks!
gotalife makes some good points!
What about AyeRezkOdinga?!?!?
Michelle Obama hunts, kills, and field dresses young white children!
John McCain smells like my grandfather's socks!
How the f#ck does Glenn Beck still have a show?!?
Wait... I think I'm doing this wrong...
August 5, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, no, no! You had it right. Keep going. I was just getting the beat of it. Come on, get up! Where's the rest?!
August 5, 2008 11:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROTFL. You had me at "field dresses."
August 6, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama needs surrogates out there helping him. There are some things he just can't say.
There is a whole congress of Democrats who claim to support him who reside in safe districts.
Where ARE they now that Obama needs them?
Everyone should contact their democratic congressmember and get the answer to this question.
August 5, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Once again, I have to add that our media is helping enormously to keep this a close and shifting race. If you're so worried about polls and numbers, remember, if the collective result of underinflated tires can make a statistical difference in our oil consumption, so does the generally bad and biased reporting on our so-called news media.
Sure, we have to mobilize. Sure, Obama needs to get out there and fight harder - however he decides to do it - and his surrogates need to stop stammering and yammering and letting the real issues go right over their heads. Maybe we do need more outspoken and dominant speakers to be out there fighting the good fight. But the media controls who they speak to and who they offer the microphone to. The media is controlling the message at least as much as the candidates. In fact, the McCain camp knows who is controlling the message and are pulling all the right strings to get their guttersnipe messages heard over and over again.
But it's far from over, and it's definitely not time to panic. McCain could tank quickly at any point. He could drop like a bowling ball from the leaning tower. So could Obama, for that matter. It doesn't take much. But going crazy over these day to day issues is one good way to go insane.
I had more to say here: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/08/what-bob-said-what-obama-shoul.php for what it's worth. Something about wearing our grown-up pants, you know?
August 5, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Raider, just to back up your point...
Check out CBS and their "evenhanded" treatment:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/25/politics/politicalplayers/main4296173.shtml?source=mostpop_story
Look on the left side of the page at the two photographs of McCain and Obama!!!! Note also placement and captions.
See you aren't being paranoid. There's a big fricking thumb on the scale.
August 5, 2008 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's subtle, but pretty obvious, both the picture and the captions. Of course, it's only a small thing compared with the outright lies and intentional smears. Just part of a bigger picture that continues to allow McCain to remain competitive when he should be retired to the nasty old man's retirement home.
August 6, 2008 12:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Raider, you said this over at that other post:
My question is why? Why do you believe this? What has transpired; what great intellectual change has taken place in American politics, in the American voting public, over the last 10 years that makes you think this way?
I'd love to be this optimistic.
August 6, 2008 7:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, they aren't really fighting back and this decision...
...the Obama campaign is telling progressive donors to withhold funds from "outside" 527 organizations...
...was really ill advised. The 527s serve several purposes..."fill a space". The youth organizing that these groups do on an ongoing basis is vital to the long term health of the party. Don't dry up their funding sources.
Also, somebody needs to be throwing a few elbows back at McCain right now while the Obama campaign seems to have opted for the "we'll save the gut punches for post convention" strategy. Nothing the matter with that but when you've neutered organizations that like to throw a few elbows of their own, then you wind up merely responding to (ie ducking) the elbows McCain is throwing. No response looks weak.
The campaign apparently thinks they're the only ones that know how to win this election. And shutting down the 527s...
...reinforces their message of rejecting the partisanship of the past and don't need anyone muddying their message with negative ads. They have a large enough volunteer base geographically dispersed enough to run their own 50-state field campaign.
That is arrogant. They have orgs with energized members ready to go to the streets and airwaves in their own ways with the basic campaign message yet the campaign implies they'll just tell everybody what to do. Not only is it arrogant it's fucking stupid. They don't have all of the answers.
They need to take the lid off of the jar and let a little air in before they suffocate in their own arrogance.
August 5, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
New ad from Obama.
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/5/222736/9012/146/563266
I'm sure it won't be hard-hitting enough for the crowd here at Fight Club.
August 5, 2008 11:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alex, you just violated the first rule of Fight Club.
August 5, 2008 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um, that wasn't me posting. It was Brad Pitt.
August 6, 2008 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
As did you, Genghis.
You two - the parking lot. 1:00. My money's on the shirt. Errrr, ok, ya both got pretty fancy shirts.
Ok. My money's on the polite one, then. That outta clear it up.
August 6, 2008 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
It'll do for now but is the Obama campaign ready to let go of all of the post-partisan-candidate bullshit?
McCain is running as the Republican candidate. Ain't no doubt 'bout it.
Now we need to know if Obama is running as the post-partisan-candidate or the Democratic candidate.
What do you think?
August 6, 2008 12:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Now we need to know if Obama is running as the post-partisan candidate or the Democratic candidate."
Hmm. I can see why *we* might want to know the answer to that question. But I'm not sure I see how it would help Barack to address that question directly, on TV, in a general election. It sounds to me like one of those trick questions, where however you answer it, you're gonna p*ss off 25% of the audience.
August 6, 2008 12:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think you missed him heaping ridicule on the Republicans for the tire gage thing at the town hall yesterday and saying they're proud of their ignorance.
August 6, 2008 8:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a great ad. About time and there should be more. Also, yes, it could be stronger.
August 6, 2008 7:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Would it help if they played the theme to "The A Team" in the background? Or what about adding a few monster trucks?
August 6, 2008 8:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
OK, I'll probably regret this, but... why the snark? I thought I answered rather politely and even mostly in agreement.
August 6, 2008 8:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Awesome.
August 6, 2008 7:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm. Jason, not sure who that "awesome" is directed towards.
Don't know if it's possible to think my original post was "awesome" and that somebody's mocking post was "sweet." Then again, I may not have my sarcasm radar up and running yet.
August 6, 2008 8:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm opening myself up to ridicule from folks like gasket, but I have gotten shivers now and then mostly because of flashbacks spariking similar feelings that I had when Al Gore and John Kerry were taken into the alley and kicked and clubbed while taking that Democratic high toad, and subsequently being humiliated especially in the end when W slipped into office. Where are the Bill Clintons and James Carvilles? Maybe Hillary was willing to beat down McCain and the Republicans in a ruthless way that Obama is not.
I see Genghis's point completely and try to have faith that team Obama knows what the hell they're doing much more than we "couch strategists" do. My thought is that they have a great rope-a-dope strategy and are letting McCain's incompetent and out of touch campaign blow money and define themselves with their Karl Rove strategy as a continuation, in more ways than one, as more of the same and another Bush term. This is from the NYT's report on Obama's birthday:
"Of Mr. McCain, he said that “he brought in a team that is very adept at this kind of politics. This politics has been successful in the last two elections in terms of getting people elected. It has not been successful in governing or bringing the country together to tackle big problems. So we are in a constant internal debate about how we respond to this.”
Regarding himself and his own team, “we’re not always perfect,” he acknowledged. “You make mistakes, sometimes you get caught up in the adrenaline of the process.”
There are, he went on, clear differences between him and Mr. McCain on issues such as taxes, energy and health care. But “my sense was that last week wasn’t about any of that stuff,” he said. “It was all about seeing if they can slap on to me a certain caricature that will help carry them through the election.”"
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/05/a-busy-birthday-for-obama/#more-5804
With such a huge opening for Democrats this year, I think that perhaps by waiting until the debates to let the sheer weight of McCain's and the Republicans' weakness help collapse them and then beat them when they're down with some kick in the stomache Carville-style pummeling or perhaps some Obama cool wit-hopefully is what will happen.
August 6, 2008 8:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
That would be fine by me. I just haven't seen anything quite resembling that yet. I hope you're right.
It seems clear to me that Genghis's only point was to pat himself on the back. He was trying desperately to make fun of the very nature of these types of forums while being one of the most prolific here in TPM for doing the very thing he mocks. We're all here to "offer our voice" or spout opinions and unsolicited advice. But apparently that is all free to be mocked when others do it not to his liking. Pathetic.
August 6, 2008 8:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I take issue with desperately
I take issue with when others do it not to his liking
I take issue with pathetic
August 6, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nevertheless.
August 6, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awesome!!!!
August 6, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
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