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‘YOU’RE TOO OLD!’ IS THAT SO, YOUNG TURKS?

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‘YOU’RE TOO OLD!’ IS THAT SO, YOUNG TURKS?

It’s clear what the main line of attack has been and is going to be on John McCain: he’s too old! Obama’s spokespersons have been labelling every misstep, adjustment and even simple disagreements with the word ‘confused’ or ‘confusion’ or something similar. Read this as Alzheimer's or dementia, of course!

On the factual face of it, this seems pretty absurd. McCain’s best argument has been his 96-year old mother. (Some see the references to her as 'exploitation', of course.)  Have you seen her!? She’s far sharper than these profane, ad hominem, bullies who have proliferated on the blogs in recent months and has far more energy than most young people I know. McCain could never have managed the miraculous turnaround he did here in New Hampshire and the country if he were not remarkably energetic and sharp. My wife and I saw him personally at a couple of his 100+ town halls here; believe us, there is no truth in these insinuations.

However, I fear they will have some effect simply because of some bad cultural habits we have developed in our attitude towards 'age'. My purpose here is to contrast the present attitude with that of what might be a saner past. I will then offer a paradigm case which I think applies pretty well right now.

Age in most all cultures and times within civilized history has been highly valued, and for very good reasons. The Wisdom books of the Bible, for instance, mention it quite a bit as well as countless other touchstone sources of Wisdom for every civilization. This doesn’t just apply to very fancy or esoteric types of knowledge; a lot of it is very practical or mundane. One way to put it is the old saw “why reinvent the wheel”. It’s not youth’s fault it’s inexperienced; youth, by definition, is inexperience. So, shouldn’t youth take advantage of knowledge gained by mistakes already made? St. Therese of Lisieux in her Story of A Soul puts it this way: everyone loves the Mary Magdalene figure for making such big mistakes and then being forgiven, delivered from her demons and healed. Wouldn’t it be a lot more heroic and laudable, with God’s grace, to avoid the mistakes in the first place?

One example of this was enshrined in the idea of a “Senate” which comes from the Latin senax for “old”. The bicameral model balances the enthusiasm and immediacy of a House with the wisdom and ‘cooling saucer’ effect of a Senate. The word ‘presbyter’, the canonical word for a Catholic priest, is a Greek New testament translation of zaqen from Hebrew Scriptures , each meaning ‘elder’. This is not to say by the way that no youth can have any wisdom. When Paul appointed the young Timothy as Bishop, he was an ‘elder’ who was much younger than most to whom he ministered! However, a lot of the wisdom of youth lies in relying on those older. Paul urged Timothy several times to “hold fast to the Tradition” he was taught by the Apostles and to study their life example constantly.

Now, where have we gone wrong in our culture? The way I would sum it up is we have made an Idol of physical health. There is a lack of faith in deeper values like Virtue, Character, Ethics, etc. There is a lack of faith in the eternal worth of our ‘soul’. As Jesus said, “Do not fear those who can only kill the body, but cannot kill the soul.” What value is there left in being old without that knowledge, belief or attitude? When you no longer believe in such a thing, all you have left is physical health. Why bother learning in the school of hard knocks. Life sucks and then you die. The one who dies with the most toys wins the game. Enjoy it while you can. If it feels good, do it. Don’t trust anyone over 30. The cult of youth has given us hundreds of STD’s, 50% divorce, high crime, abortion and the death of etiquette among other things. The tragic irony is that when all you have left is physical health, even that is destroyed. We weren’t made that way. Natural Law and the Ten Commandments tell us that respecting elders in some way and not reinventing the wheel is about as Wise as we can get.

Yes, letting youth take over completely, uniformed with little input from those who’ve been there, can get pretty ugly. One example is the original “Young Turks” from which we get the axiomatic phrase. One result of their “change we can believe in” was the Armenian genocide among other mistakes that had already been made.

The one paradigm example I want to use, however, is the story of Jeroboam from the First Book of Kings in the Bible. God had delivered a warning to Solomon: do not turn to false gods and do not oppress the people under your care (love God and love your neighbor) or your Kingdom will be split at your death. Well, guess what he did. He married hundreds of wives and ‘multi-culturally’ joined in with their worship as time went on. This struck at the very identity of the nation, of course; what made it what it was, was its faith in the One Creator. Further, in building his vast Empire with its many palaces and drafted army, he imposed crippling taxation and indentured servitude. You were forced into ‘public service’.

When Solomon died it became clear that he had not formed the character of his son and heir, Jeroboam, very well. All of the tribes came to Jeroboam and begged him to lighten the crushing load of taxation and forced service. Jeroboam had two sets of advisors: one group of holdovers from his father who had managed the Empire, and his group of young friends. The older group advised Jeroboam: make a compromise, give them something they want for now until the leadership can figure out what to do next. Pretty basic and smart governance, that. On the other hand, his younger friends advised him to show them all who was boss and make a big splash for himself. Jeroboam told them: ‘you thought my father was harsh? Well! My little finger is thicker than his whole body! He used whips? I’ll use scorpions!’ Hindsight being 20/20, we can all see how utterly STUPID this was! But these youths, disconnected from the wisdom of their elders, could only see brilliance and enthusiasm. The Kingdom was split, never to be what it had been again.

Compare this with the Obama phenomenon: change almost for change’s sake, a feeling of brilliance and enthusiasm. It seems to be a rejection of past ways of doing things in a general sort of way, almost a rejection of age itself. (This has been tempered in recent weeks by some furious flip-flopping to the center but as some point out Obama will be forced in large part to govern in the way he has first presented himself.) Notice he has the required devotion to diversity and multiculturalism. There have been many worrisome signs about his faith in the national identity most of us accept. Further, he has placed public (government) service as the highest good. Michelle Obama intimated we would all be forced to do what is right in good in their eyes. I think you can probably fill in the rest of this comparison yourself.   There appears to be the danger of making the same kind of cultural mistake Jeroboam made about age.

One further point is that many people in history have started and accomplished their life’s mission at an advanced age. Moses didn’t even get started until he was 80 years old. St. Patrick was in his 70’s. There are many such examples in modern history, too. William Gladstone started his final ministry at 83. There is no reason to reject someone who is old if there is no real evidence of impairment.

So, McCain is old. That might not be such a bad thing. In fact, it may be a good thing.



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McCain's father died when he was younger that John McCain is now. How do you know that he inherited his mother's longevity gene. He might just as easily have his father's genetic life expectancy, and may be living on borrowed time. There is just as much of a chance that McCain will die shortly, as there is that he will be like him mother.

You point to how sharp his mother still is, and I in turn point to how dull his father now is.

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McCain as you may have noticed is a male, as were his father and grandfather who both died at a far younger age than McCain's mother. In America, life expectancy for females is 80.7 years but significantly less for males at 75.4 years. One in 8 Americans aged 65 have Alzheimers. 14% of Americans 71 years old do. Anger is one of the symptoms as is forgetfulness. Perhaps McCain isn't lying when he states that he never said he didn't know a lot about economics. Maybe he really doesn't remember. His melanoma was 2.2mm deep. Anything over 1 is considered advanced risk for the spread and re-occurrence. McCain has already had it twice. He was also a POW. Phillip Butler U.S. Navy retired was in McCain's POW camp for eight years; three of them before McCain was captured. In his article from "Today In the Military" titled "Why I Will Not Vote For John McCain", he says the following:
"I furthermore believe that having been a POW is no special qualification for being President of the United States. . . POW experience is not something I would look for in a Presidential candidate. Most of us who survived that experience . . . have died or are dying at a greater rate than our non POW contemporaries. So I believe John's age and survival expectation are not good for being elected."

I wouldn't vote for John McCain's programs, beliefs or issues if he was 50 years old. But he isn't. And these issues do have relevance.

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Sorry I'm late responding. I posted the blog and then had to leave for the day.

Karela,
All of these are serious health issues that should be explored and hard questions should be asked by the press like you are. All I can tell you is what my wife and I saw this past winter at a tiny VFW in our town in New Hampshire. His vigor and apparent health was really impressive to my wife and many others. There's a reason he won up here over a popular Romney.

I don't think McCain or anyone ever CLAIMED just being a POW qualifies for anything in itself. It was his unique reaction and moral courage that stands out. He proved what was important to him by not taking the easy way out.

Your most important point is disagreeing on policies being far more important and that I can wholeheartedly agree and support you on. In the end, what you believe has to be grilled out between God, your conscience, thinking and talking it out with people. That's where you really have to be in sync with any politician who is seeking the honor of your vote and you should not give it lightly.

What I haven't liked is the innuendo and the sort of dismissal-out-of-hand merely on the basis of age. What I wanted to do here is give some food for thought that might counteract such unfairness.

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Sorry I'm late responding. I posted the blog and then had to leave for the day.

A good point! I wasn't - and can't, really - make a purely GENETIC point. Nature and Nurture go together. His mother has given good example to him and raised his mind and soul as well as his body. Also the whole age question in general applies since she is a very CLOSE example. Further, the whole respect for past wisdom and for our elders issue is not merely one of physical age alone but of attitude.

Liam, thanks a lot for responding to my post and I hope to talk to you again! The best to you...

It is not the fact that he is old, but rather that is is so confused and seems forgetful and unable to express himself, unable to relate to what is going on around him in an exceptable social way, in other words, he seems to be experiencing some early dementia. I do not care if he is 72, and most people don't, I'm sure. But it's hard to understand how he can even pass a physical exam, unless they are just letting him go without checking his mental status thoroughly. And I don't think this is going to get better, it's going to get worse.

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Sorry I'm late responding. I posted the blog and then had to leave for the day.

The "unable to express himself" may be just a character trait. He couldn't give a good speech when he was 40 from what I hear. But that phrase could never describe him from what we saw at two town hall meetings up here in New Hampshire. At the second one I had two of my teenage sons with me - they were incredibly impressed with McCain. 'He really is for real, dad', 'He's honest, isn't he?' and the like. He was so good on his feet, it was really impressive indeed, especially when he had to deal with conflict or opposition. His life experience, his 'wisdom' shone through to me. You have to understand, my wife and I hadn't decided who we were backing at the time and McCain had been left for dead.

What have you seen of him that compares with what we saw? If it's just what the media is giving, you haven't seen what I saw. I've noticed newsclips on CNN & the news which seem to be specifically chosen to give certain impressions. (Such editing wouldn't be fair to Obama either.)

Someone has to prove there's dementia not insinuate it. I've always been extremely forgetful. In HIGH SCHOOL, they called me the 'absent-minded professor'! Was I getting dementia then? No, impressions are not enough.

When we really believe in something, sometimes it makes us susceptible to making snap judgments. I think it's better to have our minds as well our hearts fully engaged in what we believe and to not be afraid to talk about it.

White Heat, I love your picture of Cagney! I'm a fan of the movie "White Heat", too. He came from Boston where my wife is from. Thanks for answering my post.

I agree with you that age should not be the issue. There a many people his age whom I would support. Further, I wouldn't vote for a 40 year old McCain. The problem with McCain is his pro-war, pro-business, pro-corruption tendencies. He was a wrong choice thirty years ago and hasn't gotten worse. He's just as bad a choice as an old man as he was as a young man.

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Out of The Loop,
Welcome! You and most of the people here at TPM are probably coming from a different place than I am. I grew up as a very strong Roosevelt, Kennedy Democrat, but I also come from a military family; most every male except me has served in some way. I'm much more disposed perhaps to see things from that perspective. My family are French-Canadians who made a living from the ground floor poverty through a lot small businesses and a lot of hard work. I probably share your dislike of big business as a general feeling but I also am always looking out from a business viewpoint. I really have to disagree with the "pro-corruption" phrase. McCain had a sort of ephiphany about precisely that and has actually made enemies because of his maniacal opposition to pork in particular and legislative scullduggery in general. Can we forget that it was he THE driving force in the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform Bill that at least tried to DO something about that problem?

A lot of people are trying to repeat over and over the mantra that he is just the SAME as what and WHO we are angry with. That's an old Soviet technique (mentioned in Orwell's 1984). You repeat something enough, the perception simply becomes the truth whether it was true at first or not. The more I looked for myself the more I saw that he was pretty unique and different from anyone else. What came through to me up here in New Hampshire was that he was NOT in it for himself like so many of them.

I'm not trying to mess with you or make you believe what I believe or anything like that. I just think it's always a good process to talk with people, explain what we really mean, listen to what the other person has to say. We're all 'coming from' where we're coming from and we have to work with it the best we can.

Thanks for responding to my post and the best to you!

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The fact that McCain's Mother is still alive is a specious justification. Big Russ is still alive, so why did Tim Russert die at the age of 58. See how stupid the claim is that a John McCain is sure to live as long as the one living parent, and not die like the one dead parent.

I agree, McCain's age is not a problem for me. But nor is Obama's. Some have more wisdom at 47 than others at 80. I believe that you probably could list quite a few from Old & New who were young, but also had some wisdom.

But Obama wanting "change for change sake?" I'm not sure on this. Some people age - and see nothing but decline, the foolish destruction of the world they knew. This is not a path worth following. Partly because every one of the things those folks hold dear was ONCE an innovation. Better to judge the suggested changes one at a time. Here's another light:

Once, we had no war with Iraq.
Once, we were not so dependent on foreign oil.
Once, health care was more affordable.

Obama can also be seen to be attempting to call America BACK to its better self. A time BEFORE the shysters and admen and moneyspinners owned our leaders' souls.

So who is wise? Who is calling America back? The true conservative? There are other ways to see this thing. Thanks for your post, however. I agree there CAN be a "Cult of Youth" and mania for "Change." Plus, I always liked the the Jeroboam story.

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Excellent comments! I certainly agree with you that mere physical age itself is insufficient to prove anything in itself. You may have noticed that I included a 'youngster', Timothy, as an example.

I've noticed that some bad people get much worse when they get really old and some good people get better and better. My own mother is an example of the latter. A big expert on 'water on the brain' surgery botched hers (on a 1% chance) and left her with virtually no short-term memory. My family was heartbroken, I bet you can imagine. What happened with her was, without the filter of short-term memory, her virtue, character and other-centeredness began to FLOW out of her. She became the most beloved person in the VA hospital where she was. [She was there because my father was in the Army in WWI, a hero at Guadalcanal.] I got to eulogize her at her funeral and I gave the opinion she was a saint. All of life, from beginning to end is a precious gift.

I hear the passion in your concern about the issues you raised and the need for a vision. "Without a vision the people perish" says Proverbs and Hosea. That's why I think it's so important to vet these candidates. It's so easy to say things, but do you mean it? will you follow through on things? what sort of character do you have? Thank God we still have the chance for this testing of candidates in our country. I think the media should not shirk their duty like they to seem to be doing at times.

Quinn, thanks for your kind comments and I hope we can talk more!

Mark; I hope we can talk more as well. By the way, I see above you have some French Canadian roots. Myself & other Canadians and multi-national Canadians wander this site fairly frequently.

Hope to see you again soon & thanks for your post. Well done.

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