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Violence is Down? Could Someone Tell Me what that means?

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Baghdad car bomb kills six, wounds 14

Seven killed in Iraq bombing

Militants shot dead two off-duty policemen

Iraqi special forces kill one militant, detained eight others

37 armed militants arrested, 24 bombs defused in Baghdad

Gunmen assassinate Shiite official in Iraq

Roadside bomb wounds Iraqi Islamic Party official

Two bodies found in Baghdad, one found in Mahaweel on Friday

Roadside bomb wounds policeman in central Baghdad

In April there were 52 American’s killed
In May there were 19 American’s killed
In June there were 29 American’s killed
A total of 4114 American’s have been killed since the war in Iraq began.

Could somebody please tell me exactly what it means when we hear the media and our government saying that violence is down in Iraq?

While I’ll agree that the amount of American’s killed has dropped since April; It’s also increased since May.

In 2007 we had 117 American’s killed in Afghanistan.  So far this year, in less than 5 months, we’ve had 67 American’s killed.  There have been 542 killed since the war there began.

I’m afraid we didn’t learn from other’s history there in the Middle East.

A refresher course:

The Iran-Iraq War was a war between the armed forces of Iraq and Iran lasting from September 1980 to August 1988.

The war began when Iraq invaded Iran on 22 Sept 1980 following a long history of border disputes and fears of Shia insurgency among Iraq's long suppressed Shia majority influenced by Iran's Islamic revolution.

Although Iraq hoped to take advantage of revolutionary chaos in Iran and attacked without formal warning, they made only limited progress into Iran and within several months were repelled by the Iranians who regained virtually all lost territory by June 1982. For the next six years Iran was on the offensive. Despite several calls for a ceasefire by the United Nations Security Council, hostilities continued until 20 August 1988. The last prisoners of war were exchanged in 2003.


 
Here’s a bit of history for you on the Soviet and Afghanistan war.
 

The Soviet war in Afghanistan lasted 9 years.  Initially Soviet deployment of the Army in Afghanistan began on August 7, 1978. The final troop withdrawal began on May 15, 1988, and ended on February 15, 1989. Due to the interminable and inconclusive nature of the war, the conflict in Afghanistan has often been referred to as the Soviet equivalent of the United States' Vietnam War.


Do you get the picture I’m sending you?

Either we decide to 'stay' in Iraq and Afghanistan 'forever' or we consider our successes as a victory and pull out while we can.

We've killed or captured thousands of terrorists and al qaeda.  We put them into a situation where they must completely rebuild to continue.
 
We've given Iraq time to rebuild their nation and government, along with a fighting machine of their own.  Same goes for Afghanistan.

It's time to pull out now, while we can still consider our mission accomplished.


Comments (3)

Well put, Connie. Well-researched piece, too. Recommended.

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So, um, who are you going to vote for?

Because apparently you aren't aware that a President Obama plans to put more troops in Afghanistan:

If elected, Obama says, he would immediately withdraw thousands of ground troops from Iraq and send them to Afghanistan to help undermanned US forces defeat the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

"It's time to refocus our attention on the war we have to win in Afghanistan," Obama said in a speech last week. "It is time to go after the Al Qaeda leadership where it actually exists."

Obama, McCain split over Afghan strategy
Debate shifting troops from Iraq
Boston Globe, July 6, 2008

Sad to say it but leaving now only increases the likelihood that they become staging grounds for more trouble in the region quite possibly leading to further attacks on us and our interests. More than anything else this was the basis of my opposition to the war: that we didn't understand what we were getting ourselves into and that it wouldn't be as simple to leave as we would think or want. And yes, I understand its very much a catch-22 situation since it's already a clusterfuck over there but if we leave it certainly won't become less of a clusterfuck.

The only possible solution is to really put these countries on a proper footing to have a reasonably peaceful and prosperous future. the trick is to change our whole approach and take away the requirement that only american enterprises can profit from this endeavor. If we can get other countries to share the burden then the task becomes more plausible but they won't do so simply to make profits for us. We have to give them a cut of the pie. The bush administration has been unwilling to do so from the beginning but i strongly suspect obama wouldn't be nearly as stubborn about it. mccain? he'll be even worse than bush in this respect and that's saying something!

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