That's where you're wrong. Fifty-seven really cute puppies died of hearworm when you said that, and Sen. Obama lost Florida.

What? You think he's going to magically get elected?

Oh boy...yeah, that's exactly what I think.

With a third of the Party slagging him relentlessly and refusing to support him?

A third of the party? Really? I did not know that!

Give me a break. This is a tight race and getting tighter. If you want to see Obama in the White House, you'd better commit to it.

Already have. And without falling into some weird cult-like trance. And all the while not shutting up!

Because he isn't going to get there without our help. And he CERTAINLY isn't going to get there with the base bashing him without mercy.

The base is bashig him without mercy? Damn. Did not know that either!

The Republicans are laughing up their fucking sleeves. As usual...

Who cares?

So we all should be good little boys and girls and speak only the party line? What is this, a Stalinist youth camp? Shut up! No, you shut up! Don't make me come over there and smack you upside the head now! Listen, Obama has done some things in recent days that many people find appalling. Some of us are struggling with whether we can vote for someone acting this way. Doesn't mean that our minds are made up to go with Nader or McKinney. I'm looking actively for reasons not to do that. But, let's face it, Obama has given me little reason not to wonder about him. For his supporters to respond by telling people who voice doubts about his commitment to the issues I hold dear to shut up doesn't do Obama any good. Why are you actively trying to drive support away. Silly fellow. Make some calm and reasoned arguments instead of demonstrating petulance. Shut up! No, you shut up!

Yeah, we're all really, really looking forward to your fierce denunciations of President McCain.

Can we start using "Shut up shuttin' up!" now? I'll be happier once we're all quoting Foghorn & Bugs.

P.S. Tankard. You took away all the fun of putting "disturbing" in your title, by pulling the sting in the first para. Hell, I saw 83 people lined up to take a shot at you on that one. Next time, paint the target and just stand back. More fun for the whole family.

Now he's running against stupidity, and it's a much tougher fight. He's running against the very "latte-drinking liberals" that fought so hard for him when he was trying to win the nomination.

No, dumb ass. He's running against John McCain. He doesn't give a flip about a ridiculous minority of Kucinich/Naderites screaming from their mommy's basement. Only you do! And you're looking more and more unhinged.

I don't think that any of us here consider ourselves your enemy.

Dude, if you hate cafés, what are you doing at this one?

hrebendorf I agree with you. Some parts of the Democrat have turned really sour since the primary have ended and they seem more with fighting for their own agenda than making sure we elect a Democrat to the White House, and there just stepping over our chance to try to get their way. If the Democrat's lose this election I'll know who to blame.

No, that isn't what I said at all, though, anyone who would cry satire as an excuse for hyperbole seems to not know the definition of either term.

Bruce, that was a very eloquent way to miss the point on our critiques of the Sky is Falling crowd. No one is saying that we can't disagree with a candidate.

I also don't know anyone who claimed Barack wasn't a politician, but I take your point that Hillary was unfairly demonized for practicing the same sort of principled stands against the progressive base - it's just that I didn't really agree with the many of the stands she took.

Finally, Barack promised to filibuster a different bill with different language specifically because of the immunity clause, but never promised to do so in perpetuity. He made a personal decision based on the available evidence that this legislation was needed for national security reasons.

It's hard for me to disagree with that, despite my firm belief that we continue to treat the Constitution in ways that require a complete rewrite from the ground up. Otherwise, we might as well go ahead and throw the thing out as our guiding document.

Again, I am a Perfect World kind of guy philosophically which is why I supported Kucinich in the primary until he dropped out. This year's election has made me pragmatic in ways I have never been before politically.

Actually, he did not promise to filibuster the FISA bill. He said he would support a filibuster of the bill. Which is to say, if Russ Feingold, for example, had decided to lead a filibuster, Obama would have supported him in the effort. A significant difference worth noting as it seems too many people are mistaking what they thought Sen. Obama said with what he actually said.

The term first came into use in the United States Senate, where Senate rules permit a senator, or a series of senators, to speak for as long as they wish and on any topic they choose, unless a supermajority of three-fifths of the Senate (60 Senators, if all 100 seats are filled) brings debate to a close by invoking cloture.[6]

[edit] Procedural filibuster
In current practice, Senate Rule 22 permits filibusters in which actual continuous floor speeches are not required, although the Senate Majority Leader may require an actual traditional filibuster if he or she so chooses. This threat of a filibuster can therefore be as powerful as an actual filibuster. Previously, the filibustering senator(s) could delay voting only by making an endless speech. Currently, they need only indicate that they are filibustering, thereby preventing the Senate from moving on to other business until the motion is withdrawn or enough votes are gathered for cloture.

-- Wikipedia