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The Unintended Inhumanity In the Progressive Indepent Movements

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I just posted a much angrier piece on another site, arguing that what are now called "progressive independents" are, as their forebearers in earlier elections have been, brutal to ordinary people without realizing it. Their lukewarm support for and criticism of Obama--withholding contributions, giving the Right talking points, and such--can help enable the Right to continue its devastation in Iraq, much less continue the degradation of social programs, education, health care, and much more. 

I admit to a lack of scholarship and rigor on this point owing to a lack of time, but it has, since my baptism during the Humphrey-Nixon campaign, seemed that the progressives who withhold intense support on the grounds that there is no difference between the Democratic and Republican campaigns, do have devastating effects. Like some influential bloggers and pundits, Choamsky is now, once again, saying there is no difference regarding the current Democrat dominee. Note that Reagen was elected by only 26 percent of the electorate. The progressive independents comletely abandoned Carter. Perhaps it seems specious to argue that these same sort of folks, in sitting out the Bush-Gore election or voting for Nader, unintentionally paved the way for the horrific devastation in Iraq. But this proposition is at least worth discussing.
 
What really are the effects of what often seems a kind of scholarly, hyper-patriotic zealotry that has more in common in tone and purity with the Right than with America as a whole?

I think I sympathetically understand the hopes and aims of these Lefties, having carried, "Nixon Sucks," signs in Union Square in San Francisco and participated in many other such radical adventures during the 1960s. I believed as Alcoholics Anonymous devotees do that you have to hit bottom before you can make significant change. My hope was that, as the country slips into a truly unbearable condition, the masses will awaken. Ooops. Come the revolution, we've still got the same batch of average and right wing folks to deal with. Note also that contrary to popular opinion, AA-based treatment's success rates are no better than no treatment at all, as an award winning research psychiatrist from Dartmouth established. Their logic is facistic--it's brutally demanding. You have to stop drinking before you get help stopping drinking. To the millions of sufferers who fail at AA and die of alcohol poisoning and to the progressive independents, I say, Make the bed to fit the patient.

In this presidential race, the patient is the American people and the people of the world with whom we interact significantly. The emerging treatment for alcoholism is called "harm reduction," which is an unfortunately abstract term. It means that instead of demanding that people quit drinking, instead of demanding purity, the professionals go out under the bridges and into the bars and meet people where they are and help them on their terms. For Obama, it means compromising when the compromise enables him to sustain a relationship with enough of a majority to enable substantial change. He has to go where the majority are rather than jack them up, throw mud in their faces, and denounce them for being stupid.

This is a very difficiult thing to do. It requires immense intelligence and sensitivity, and no one I know of, including the true geniuses I sometimes work with, creates lasting change without making frequent mistakes. Indeed, most of the successful folks I know expect to make close calls that turn out to be mistakes, as in Obama's FISA vote. As I tell my son as he's practicing the trumpet, you have to expect mistakes while keeping in mind the big picture--that you're talent is already proven and that you just need to keep advancing.

Obama's talent is already proven. His heart and soul is already proven. Read his books and read the news reports of what the people in Harvard, Chicago, and the Illinios State Senate who worked with him say about him. He's been doing what he says he wants to do for many years; there's no mystery here--the guy is a proven prince. There's no candidate in memory who had more of what it takes to create change in this country than this man. Of course, he's not everything we want. I disgree with some of his positions and he goofs, but he's damn good enough to deserve intense support from everyone on the Left. We do desperately need him, especially in light of the alternative.

Of course, my plea doesn['t mean we can't disagree and even heavily criticize him. But withhold intense support? That seems grossly inhumane.


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I understand your frustration. But consider the "lefties" you're referring to.

Some will always be unreasonable. Regardless of issue or party affiliation. Regardless of being right or wrong.

Some aren't even on the left, they're just trolls, instigating, corrupting, and feigning opinions just to stir things.

But the majority are quite scholarly, rational and very objective.
Trust me, they will support Obama.

The top two groups sound so much louder on the internet but they are not greater in numbers than the latter group.

Maybe you're better off engaging only with those you find that actually listen, Those that offer their opinions with great reason, whether or not you agree or disagree.

But the majority are quite scholarly, rational and very objective.
Trust me, they will support Obama.

The issue isn't simply of average support, as in voting on election day. John speaks of "intense support" as in campaigning, donating, talking to others, etc., etc.

Showing up on election day is, of course, the most crucial of points. But we need to continue support for Obama by donating and campaigning for him as well, talking to our friends and neighbors, and getting the word out there to vote for him.

I don't speak for John, but I understood him as saying people need to retain these points of support, not abandon them.

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ChronoSpark,
Agreed. But the more I read the more I see people jumping ship. It's tragic.

Well, I supported a more progressive nominee than Obama so over the long term, my support for him has grown, but not by a lot.

I agree that there is a self-indulgence in those, like Nader, who want the complete and utter collapse of society in order to hasten the "revolution." I don't have faith we would win the revolution, most of us want to ban guns. The righties have the weaponry.

Likewise, those who prefer no reform to incremental reform. Believe me, if you were on medicaid, food stamps, worked minimum wage, etc. Incremental reform would be a blessing.

But...there's another part of me that recognizes that we enable the rightward drift with our willing support of center/right candidates.

It's not all one thing. I think we have to struggle, all of us, with the vast chasm between what we want and what we get from our electeds and decide where to draw the line.

I am willing to give Obama some more leeway, but not much. Where he's right matters less to me than where he's wrong - he is wrong, so wrong on many issues that are of critical importance to me, most of them clustered in his troubling indifference to the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, but also around his statements on choice and health care. That McCain is worse is small comfort.

I note that he has dropped 14 points in the last week - that's not because a bunch of us who post at TPM are disappointed and shared their anger here. IT's because he became inauthentic with his rush to the right.

His primary campaign was all about how he was different, how he was authentic, how he was a new kind of politician. All he has done for the last two weeks is undercut his brand by making the case for McCain that Obama is just another politician. McCain doesn't have to do anything with Obama undermining himself this way.


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You're a perfect example of what McFadden is talking about!
"I am willing to give Obama some more leeway, but not much." That's big of you!

"Where he's right matters less to me than where he's wrong - he is wrong, so wrong on many issues that are of critical importance to me, most of them clustered in his troubling indifference to the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, but also around his statements on choice and health care. That McCain is worse is small comfort."

This is so stupid, arrogant, and ignorant as to beggar belief. This guy is a brillaint Constitutional lawyer who's worked his entire life to help average citizens assert and maintain their rights. If you're looking for tiny discrepancies between Obama's positions and yours to expand into vast chasms, I suppose you can find them. But the idea that McCain is just a little worse than the Democratic nominee is absurd. I bet you though Bush was just a little worse than Gore didn't you? Sure you did! So did your moron heroes, like Chomsky and Nader. Congratulations! I hope you think of this election when your daughter's having an abortion in a Tijuana hotel room. I'm sure she'll be pleased that you traded her right to choose for...what, exactly? You fill in the blank.

Well, L0ngT0m, you fail reading comprehension. Where in my remarks about the self-indulgence of Nader and his ilk do you get the idea that Nader was a hero of mine. I said McCain was worse, but that is small comfort, not that he was just a little worse. You need to read more carefully before you throw a hissy fit. Otherwise you just look ignorant.

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Oregon Activist,

You wrote of Obama's troubling indifference to the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

This seems typical of much of what's being said against Obama from the Left. My problem with it is that it's so vastly overstated. You're saying that this man is indifferent to the entire Bill of Rights and the entire Constitution. What could be further from the truth. This hyperbolic, overheated rhetoric, you think, isn't wounding him. But it is. My proof? The drop in support among independents. You're helping make the equally overstated case that he's dishonest, which has been the problem all along. It's what Clinton and others did to him on NAFTA and the Wright flap. They accused him of being dishonest. He's a relative unknown, and this charge is what worries independents. If you were defending him to Huffington, Rich, and Herbert and more of those pundits, perhaps this characterization wouldn't be sticking quite so hard.

1) This is an Obama friendly forum. If he cannot be critiqued here, then he can be critiqued nowhere and that's just cultish.

2) I do not think I overstate his indifference to the Constitution. Here are the reasons: a) FISA, not just the immunity, but also the dramatic expansion of wiretapping powers and reduction in what is in the court's purview for oversight; b) separation of church and state and his statements that express complete lack of understanding on this issue, such his bogus statement about no one every being harmed by having to recite the phrase "under god"; c) his stupid, stupid, stupid reading of the 2nd amendment that ignores the militia clause; d) his assertion that a woman's right to privacy can be limited by his personal opinions about "mental distress" and e) his critique of the Supreme court decision on capital punishment. I suppose if I worked at it, i could come up with more.

3) Obama was the one that branded himself as someone new...when he switches on FISA and panders to the right; he's the one who makes himself appear inauthentic. That someone can find supporting statements in his autobiography is not going to help his authenticity. People are judging him by his campaign rhetoric, not his book.

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There are a few problems with this post, most of which I agree with. First of all, the association of Alcoholics Anonymous with hypercritical leftists is baffling, weird, and, finally, simply incorrect (despite the manipulated statistics of a hare-brained professor).

Second, and more to the point, the inhumanity among these professional malcontents is NOT unintended, any more than the carnage in Iraq was unintended by Bush and Cheney. You can see their supercilious, sanctimonious nihilism in every statement, the desire to bring down the candidate of the moderate party because he lacks perfection and is not one of them. The Naderites REVELED in their defeat of Gore and the destruction rained down by Bush. Like Bush and Cheney, they LOVE war, destruction, and the suffering of the masses who, after all, must be punished because they are too blind to promote THEM into power and pay homage to THEIR theories, schemes, and dogmas.

These people, the Naderites and their 2008 equivalent, are sick, sadistic sociopaths, not clueless idealists.

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