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The U.K. and Ireland Love Obama

I just spent 10 days in the U.K. and Ireland (as in the Irish Republic).  Mostly I was there for work—research on neurological and related genetic disorders, mostly focused on the commonalities among bipolar illness, PTSD, stroke, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, and now traumatic brain injury (TBI). TBI is the signal injury of this war, as troops survive horrific blasts because of the superior nature of their armor. The high protectiveness of their head armor allows them to survive a blast but results in their brains being shaken tremendously within their helmets after an IED (improvised explosive device).  The effects can be short-term or long-term, and many soldiers are coping with the consequences  4 and 5 years out of their release from active duty—some most likely permanently. Their loss of certain functions mimics some of the losses found with stroke and Alzheimer’s, and not every soldier experiences the same symptoms, so we are trying to understand the anatomical, physiological, and genetic factors involved, so as to find the best treatments. The brain is one complicated and mysterious organ, that’s for sure. The one thing we share with the British is soldiers who need our help.

 

I also had time to visit one of my sons, who was doing a summer semester abroad in Stratford-upon-Avon in central England. He travelled to Dublin with me and then up to some Belfast  veteran’s clinics before we headed back to London for a few days.  He had already spent 4 weeks in England as “an American abroad” and had lots of interesting pub stories to tell about his political conversations, which are woven into my comments below.

 

During my travels I engaged everyone I could about American politics. Sometimes I didn’t have to initiate the conversation—cabbies were the most excited to talk once they found out I/we were from the States.  I was amazed at how engaged the U.K. and Ireland are in this American election cycle (the Irish are proud that Obama has Irish roots!). Maybe cabbies are better informed than anyone else as they universally seemed to have followed the primary, they knew about the battles between Hillary and Obama, and they have watched McCain with some disdain and disbelief. I have to say their assessments were incredibly fair and on the mark. They thought Hillary was an impressive candidate who made an indelible mark on American politics, but they worried tremendously about Bill and the baggage he carries. They are ardent admirers of Obama and hope he will win, but worry about his foreign policy experience. I felt that they were better informed than most Americans.  They have the benefit of emotional detachment but are very involved.

 

As for others I encountered (mostly scientists and clinicians) they too were hopeful about Obama. I cannot tell you how many times I heard people say that Obama reminds them about what they love about America. Really—I ‘m not making this up. I was in the U.K. three years ago—in fact, I was in London on 7.7.05, the day their Tube was bombed. Many Londoners indirectly blamed that terrorism on us, rightly or wrongly—at that time anti-Americanism was quite strong. They still had troops in Iraq/Afghanistan and they were pissed and tired of us and Dubya’s war. They are much closer geographically to these conflicts and resent Bush’s ham-handed and cavalier handling of things. They still have damage from the Blitz on their churches and homes and don’t take war as lightly as we do. Some of these people slept in subway stations during WWII to survive. This isn’t a drill for them.

 

But this time was different. I was amazed that Europeans seem to love Americans again, based on my limited assessment. I stayed at a few places where the hotel staff were young people from Eastern Europe—the Ukraine, Hungary, Poland, Russia, Georgia—and when they knew I was from “the States” they could not stop asking me questions about Obama.  Many knew his story—that he had been born in Hawaii, that his father was from Kenya, that he was raised in Kansas. I was really amazed. Some had read his books. One older hotel staffer told me that he had read “The Veracity of Hope” in Russian! Wrong title but impressive nonetheless.

My son had an Obama button on his backpack and people, including railway and airline security staff, treated him with kindness and concern—just because of his button!  I actually think he was granted special favors—like not having to remove his shoes in airport security—because of his Obama button. Restaurant staff asked if we were for Obama—cautiously—and when we said we were they could not stop their enthusiasm. They would stand at our table and talk, talk, talk. In my 10 days there I did not encounter a SINGLE PERSON who was hoping for a McCain victory. Not one. And I tried, I really did, to find one. I asked lots of people how they felt about McCain and none were happy about the prospect.

 

So, maybe Europe needs Obama as much as we do. I have to say that after this trip I was humbled and stunned at how much public opinion had changed about “America.” I felt good about it. I tried to assuage their concerns that we would screw it up again. Interestingly, many many people said, “well, we can kind of understand 2000, even with the election problems, but you really screwed it up in 2004—HOW HOW HOW did that happen?” I had no answers for them, but they get it. They really do.

 

So, I said on a previous post that I would report back, and there it is. Anecdotal and unscientific and I’m sure the TPM turkey vultures are ready to swoop in. Go right ahead.  I was glad to get back on U.S. soil for many reasons—not the least of which is the WEAK dollar, but mostly because I just love this country so much and I was so encouraged by our reception abroad .I just wanted you all to know that we still have lots of fans. They still love us and we need to live up to their expectations. I am really excited about Obama’s trip abroad in the coming weeks, and so are they!


Comments (36)

Wonderful, just wonderful. Thank you so much!

Across the oceans, even they know we'll be better with Obama as POTUS!

(Forget argument about how could we do worse than McCain and Bush!)

Great Post and thanks! Rec'd.

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Loved reading this Kate. It was a joy to read. Having read your post before you left, I've often thought of you and wondered how you were finding things over there.

My sister's living in London at the moment - she was in Dublin last weekend on her way to a music festival.

Don't you just love the Irish? (Their sense of humour is out of this world!)

The one thing I'm slightly nervous of about all this is the actual American attitude to Obama's reception in Europe. It's wonderful to see that British & Europeans' attitudes to Americans have changed. But does it work in reverse? Remember all the millions rallying across the world against the invasion? Americans were so disgusted with Europe - boycotting France - and also Canada.

I worry that he might come across as potential President of Europe but not of America - which is obviously how Hannity & the rest of them at Faux will try to portray him: `the unpatriotic, elitist liberal that Europe fawns over but we need a President for America` yada yada. I can hear them already. Which meme will win? Restoring American prestige or the GOP version?

I think we're gonna see JFK-style "mania" for Obama. Be very hard for even Fox to kill the simple visuals on that. Yeah, the talking heads will try to poison it, but visuals are powerful. And the sight of an American leader ACTUALLY being greeted positively, against the background of bombs & bodies & flak jackets in Iraq, is gonna be quite powerful. The heads will mouth off about France, but to SEE France loving anything American, well... the pictures may even make some older folks remember WW II & liberation. He's just gonna have to climb over Kuwait/Afghanistan/Iraq successfully first.

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but to SEE France loving anything American, well... the pictures may even make some older folks remember WW II & liberation.

I hadn't thought of that, Quinn. It's a lovely image - hope you're spot on!
:-)

Making the GOP talking point that Europeans dislike McCain so he'll be our best bet here in America? I don't think that will sell. Everyone wants to be liked, even collectively. So they will throw the elitist bone yet again, but it seems more and more that elitist trumps stupid every time.

I've read these comments with a clearer head this morning and I agree with Quinn that it will be hard to spin a warm reception to Obama in a negative way. As long as he pushes the message that he is there representing Americans, and not himself, it will be a hard act to criticize. A small fraction of Americans pride themselves on being disliked by the rest of the world. I think most of us are saddened by it. The number of Europeans who "remember" WWII is dwindling, however, so gratitude for our role during that time is slowly evaporating and younger people have more vivid memories of Reagan (and his counterpart Thatcher) and the Bushes. They do admire the Clinton years greatly but always punctuate that with a remark about his personal issues. Extramarital affairs are a given in Europe--they were more surprised at how incompetently Bill conducted his.

I've seen the same in England, Kate. People wanting to find his speeches, books. High level of knowledge & their views, just as you described. Enormous hunger to have a US leader THEY didn't have to look down on, or worry about. They feel that if the US moves in a better direction, it'll create the political space for them too. They could cool out the anti-terror fears & Iraqi spending, get some real movement on new energy/low-carbon techs & generally move the entire debate IF they get Obama. (And no, they didn't hate Hillary - it was as you described - and they still liked Bill, a lot.)

Same in Canada. 4 to 1 Obama over McCain - and Canadians ALL know the US. Hell, Obama was preferred above any CANADIAN political leader in a recent poll.

Second verse, same as the first.

Hannity and co. would have done well to study some European folklore. They've cried wolf one (or one million-but who's counting) too many times. Very few people are still listening.

"A little bit louder, and a little bit worse!"

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Thanks for sharing details regarding your trip. It sounds like, at least for the moment, it's okay to show our faces in Europe.

The buzz from Obama's trip so far has been good. Regardless of how the MSM tries to spin it in McCain's favor.

Do you notice when Obama is not making the news you hear nothing from McCain?

We have to elect this man. We must, we must, we must.

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What an awesome trip, Kate O'Hara.

Thanks for the postcard.

Hiya All: I'm still a bit jetlagged. Tried to watch a movie on TV and fell fast asleep. It will take a few days to get back on schedule. I just woke up and checked back in. Thanks for all the comments. Thanks Quinn for the validation. The Brits seem more put together about the Obama/Clinton battle than we are. And, thanks Barefooted, Aunt Sam, and Fran, for the read. I really felt good about this trip--even though the work-related aspects were discouraging. And yes, Orlando, I think the MSM is really out of synch on this Obama trip. The British press was so cool and calm about it--wish we could take a lesson.

Welcome home.

KateO: You were missed. Welcome Home.
Thank you for taking the time to share the genuinely heartening new that Brits in general are feeling less hostile about us (than they were, at least, the last time I was there, when for the first time in my life I encountered real hostility towards the US among my friends). Because I love the UK, and have spent a lot of time, in particular, in London, this has been a personal, as well as a political sorrow.
Now, if only their willingness to have respect for us again can be matched at home by an increase in respect for ourselves, that would be a very good thing.
PS - thank you, too for telling us about your son and your time with him. My son got more out of his terms at Cambridge than I could have imagined, in every way -- not just academically (the lectures and tutorials from which he actually retains some knowledge) and not just local life (pubs, punting, blah, blah). Much more important was that it was the beginning of making him a "man of the world;" it was then that he developed an enduring taste for travel, for history and for politics as well as a different lens through which to view them.
When you are rested, please tell us more.

My biological clock is still waking me at 3:30 am asking for some breakfast. My son goes to a college that requires a semester abroad, and they have funds to help those who cannot afford it. Every student knows that is an expectation when they apply. I think it is an essential part of anyone's education and I agree, it was more meaningful than anything he has done to date. It was wonderful for me to listen to him respond to questions from Europeans about the U.S. economy, politics, and his ambitions. They got more out of him than I do!!

I am Irish so I have a genetic discomfort with the British that is only eased by spending time with them. Like us, they can't be held responsible forever for the past actions of their leaders (e.g., Oliver Cromwell) and they have genuine respect now for the Irish and what they have done for their economy. The peace up North also helps. My point is that the only way to understanding is face-to-face contact. I am hopeful that Obama will accept that mission and spend a lot of time abroad, unlike his xenophobic predecessor.

I spent a week working in London earlier this month. Also found many peeps eager to talk about our election, including cabbies.

But judging from my anecdotal input, I disagree that they are all gaga over Obama himself. Three cabbies in particular made it very clear, they are interested because: Gordon Brown is not elected. That's the main meme. They have an unelected leader. They blame this for everything, to the point of joking about it. They want an election. They want an election with a fresh face like we have. They are jealous that we get to have an election, an election about change. They want what we got.

Not only that but, there is also the meme that they already have a police state in London (all kinds of jokes about that) and it's sort of I dunno, quaint to them to see us arguing about those kind of issues, like: oh, there are still places with civil rights, how nice!

Granted, I didn't venture into the countryside this time.

I must also mention it in that context: contrary to what I have read in the news lately, boy, that town was hopping, far more than NYC. Not just furriners, either, it was English yuppie heaven, all out on the streets. Shops and bars and restaurants hopping. Traffic like crazy with gas at $11 a gallon. Maybe it was because Wimbeldon and other things were going on and folks are forgoing vacations, I dunno, but I was surprised.

Yes, Gordon Brown is an issue all to himself, isn't he? Such a change from Tony Blair. Seems the Brits have their own idiot in charge now and they don't like it one bit. And, yes, I heard the same, that they thought the FISA debate here was "quaint" given that CCTV is all over, even in the cabs, and they hardly blink an eye. I think the pound is overvalued, so Londoners are living high on the hog. When I was in Ireland, on the Euro, more sanity seemed to prevail, which is saying something for Ireland, my home country. But I did find a lot of excitement about Obama, everywhere. We shall see.

I was there through 2002, and 3 or 4 times a year since, and I have to say, the Obama love existed during Brown's early days (when he was loved to.) Since he's fallen apart, yes, they want an election - but the Obama support is kinda independent.

As for London, O Baby. That city rocks. It's not the high pound so much, it has just been smoking for a decade plus. The economic & financial boom there has meant big big money, but culturally, and in terms of everyday life, retail life, it's been great for years.

Last thing. Brown's no idiot. He's got an incredible mind. Maybe better than Blair's. He WAS the Treasurer for the last decade that helped produce all the wealth. What he IS, is politically tone deaf. TOO intellectual. No charisma. AND stubborn. Not a good combo.

Point taken. I should be more careful using the word "idiot" since our own President seems to have co-opted that term as a descriptor. I love London, despite its high cost, but I think it too is on the edge of a recession. There was nonstop talk about the mortgage and banking crises so they are unfortunately following us down that road. My take on Brown was influenced by watching him in a news conference liken himself to Heathcliff, from Wuthering Heights. That was jarring and unsettling and I thought 1) he couldn't have read the book, or 2) he is an idiot. If he can keep the U.K., in particular, London solvent over the next 4-5 years, then he will have done a great deal and it won't matter that he is not a great politician.

Rather than "idiot", I refer to Bush as Bozo the President with apologies to Larry Harmon of Bozo the Clown fame.

Hi Tom: Is Lafayette Hill near Levittown, PA? That's where we moved when came here from Ireland in 1970. It sounds familiar. And, Larry Harmon was a smart man--didn't he just die? I seem to remember seeing something about that.

Lafayette Hill is about a 30 minute car ride from Levittown. Yes, Larry Harmon died a little while ago, which is why Bozo is on my mind when it comes to thinking about Bushzo. 25% Irish myself, by the way.

All are welcome in the clan.

You're right on the financial crisis. London's economy is more based on moving money than any US city, even NYC. Neither Brown nor Ken Livingstone did anything to ease that - and now, the chickens appear to be coming home to roost. House prices in that city went insane, and a lot of people are caught.

I'm going to find me an Obama button to adorn my shoulder bag. I'll be in Europe in Sept.

I was there on 9/11/01 and will be again this year. I remember the concern and sympathy we were given after those events. Since then I've felt an urge to pretend another nationality when abroad. It will be nice to be proud of the US for the first time since the 90s. And after November is another story.

For a while I just told people I was North American and hoped they would think Canadian--of course only if I felt they were looking for a fight. We did have the world behind us after 9/11 and Bush/Cheney squandered that support in record time. Have a great trip!

For a look at how American expatriates and foreign supporters have been demonstrating their feelings read "Obama Goes Global: Visibility in Over 35 Countries" at http://www.onemillionstrong.us/showDiary.do?diaryId=1327, with great links to the slide show of Bridges for Obama.

This is great, thanks. I expect huge crowds for him in Britain.

Thanks Kate, great insight. My husband and I usually spend every July in Scotland. This is the first summer in 14 years we haven't gone - airfares and the devalued dollar made it impossible.

We find the same thing you did, that the Scots follow our politics very closely. It was really fascinating to watch how attitudes changed over the Bush years. Strangers used to love to ask us about America, talk about where they'd been, etc. After 9/11 it was so heartwarming the amount of support and condolences we receieved. Then things started to change. People were still polite, but there was no more simply wanting to chat. And our friends and family were outraged. They couldn't believe Americans actually reelected that fool. From our limited contacts, Bush is really despised.

We miss being there, but the people we know are following what's going on here and are all hoping for an Obama win.

What you wrote corroborates what I've been hearing from my cousins in the Ould Sod.
Thanks for the insights!

Thanks for the great post! Here's to Obama improving our image abroad.

Amen to that! Thanks everyone, good to be home.

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I have NO idea what town you visited, or did you only speak to other tourists or students from other countries. IRELAND SUPPORTS HILLARY I should know I live here AND have dual citizenship to the USA. No real Irish person supports him not after what he did to us. OBAMA DESTROYED the legalize the Irish bill, he hates the Irish and wants them to be deported from America along with their american born spouses and american born children. Obama is a disgrace

Ireland says NO BAMA

McCain or Hillary

Aoife !!

Calm down love, Your opinion is your own and not that of all Irish people. I'm 100% Dub, City centre to be exact. My work brings me into contact with all sorts of various people who are all for Barck Obama for President.. What he did to us? Are you serious? I get the feeling you've been personally affected by the immigration issues in the US. Obama was doing his covic duty, I'm all for us Irish people enriching countries as much as the next person and would love to see the continuation of our culture leaving impressions across the globe but a good percentage of the illegal Irish knowingly knew what they were doing and did it so I have no sympathy.. I wonder if you'd be a proactive if the same debate was reversed.. How many Irish people would openly support the retention of illegal Nigerian immigrants in Ireland? Hmmmm....

OBAMA '08 !!!

Mick

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And you came to this expert conclusion after visiting us for ten days did you? I can assure you the Irish do NOT like obama, we have been staunch Hillary supporters and still are. The Irish took a poll and the majority of Irish people prefer Hillary to Obama, sorry to burst your bubble! And there's even an Irish PUMA group of Americans living here!! NObama

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