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Speaker Must Be Popularly Elected
The fiction of the "progressives" are that they support change. No they don't. They support "their turn" to abuse power under the status quo. Today's "progressives" are fascists, loyal to their party, not serious about real legal reforms or the Constitution. They put their agenda before their duty. Progressives, the Democrats and Republicans only miss one thing: Swastikas.
The Speaker's position is one example of the problem. A solution includes changing how the Speaker is elected. A Speaker is third in line for the Presidency, and should be directly elected, not appointed or indirectly elected as Senators once were.
The Seventeenth Amendment changed how Senators were elected. In the 1906 article "Treason of the Senate," we learned the Senators were buying their seats. State Legislators used the Senate positions to reward people. This led to corruption. The solution was to ensure accountability. This Speaker does not want accountability, just an agenda to remain complicit with war crimes. That illegal agenda must be challenged every two years, and cannot be indirectly supported through a House decision on a Speaker.
Today's problem is corruption in government oversight. This Speaker has enabled war criminals, not investigated them, and would ask us to believe she's about "change". Real change means subjecting the Speaker's position to a direct vote, and no longer allow indirect appointments-elections through House officers. Today's House officers are no different than the State Legislators of 1906: They reward House Members with Chairmanship positions. The Speaker must explain why the House Chairs should not also be directly elected.
The Constitution allows Amendments to change rules about how a Speaker is elected:
"The House of Representatives shall chuse theirThe House refused to investigate war crimes, and impeachable offense. As a consequence, in light of the lessons of 1906, the House must be stripped of its discretion to choose a Speaker. That power must be delegated to the people, not the House. This must be debated as a Constitutional Amendment.
Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment."
Some may argue that this is not a "muckraker" topic. Wrong. The term "muckrake" is from President Teddy Roosevelt's April 14, 1906 speech. He was referring to the muckrakers who dared challenge the status quo in the Senate. TPM needs to understand why the country has refused to confront the President and Pelosi on issues of war crimes, investigations, and impeachable offenses. Time for the TPM muckrakers to stop whining about "their turn" to support Pelosi; and do some real muckraking:
A. Why did Pelosi suddenly change her tune on impeachment and investigations?The status quo has been the joint DNC-GOP complicity with these war crimes; and the excuses of this Speaker not to confront that war crimes evidence with an investigation. Yet, inexplicably she's changed her tune. The public needs to understand what the Speaker suddenly realized, learned, or understood. This "realization" should be institutionalized, not something that future Speakers "might" awaken to with favorable weather.
B. What is Pelosi's reason for suddenly reversing herself on her 2006 agenda of inaction?
C. What legal consequences prompted Pelosi to open her eyes to the "benefits" of an investigation?
D. Why did it take this long for the Speaker to realize that facts, not an agenda, must guide leaders and their fulfillment of their duties?
The public and TPM must discuss, as was done in the early 1900s with the Treason of the Senate, what got in the way of this Congress from fully enforcing the Constitution with investigations. If you don't like the word "Treason" in the same sentence as Pelosi, this Congress, and the United States House of Representatives, whine somewhere else. "Treason:" was what well described the corruption of the United States Senate in 1906. Today's Congress is no different. But unlike small issues of curruption within the Senate, this Congress is complicit with war crimes.
When the Seventeenth Amendment was debated in the newspapers, understandably not everyone was supportive of the reforms. We need to discuss those concerns as they relate to directly electing the Speaker. But the first step is to put the United States Congress, as the Senate was done in 1906, under the spotlight. This Speaker is part of the problem. The public needs to openly discuss the corruption which has enabled these United States to remain complicit with war crimes.
Part of the answer includes applying the analogy of the corruption of the Senate behind the 17the Amendment; and understanding why the Speaker refuses to agree to be directly elected. The same excuses the Senators and State Legislators provided after 1906 will likely explain why this Speaker will not agree to a direct confrontation every two years: She does not want to have her power challenged.
For that reason alone, her power and the position of Speaker must be put on the table: What, other than a direct election of the Speaker every two years, will ensure this abuse of power is never again repeated. Without an answer, we are left only with the conclusion of 1906: There has been treason.
The Speaker, not her proxies or "progressive enablers," must be directly confronted to respond. Her enablers have made too many excuses to avoid this confrontation. The Speaker alone must explain why she has changed her tune on an impeachment investigation; explain why she should not be removed; and provide a coherent explanation why the Speaker position should not be directly elected. Her excuses match the same non-sense the corrupt politicians of 1906 gave to avoid direct elections of Senators.
It is time this DNC-GOP club is broken. We must have direct elections of the Speaker, or we must discuss new oversight for the United States government. That is on the table.









Comments (17)
Excellent use of initial caps on the paragraphs. That's some sweet formatting.
July 15, 2008 12:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
"The fiction of the "progressives" are that they support change. No they don't. They support "their turn" to abuse power under the status quo. Today's "progressives" are fascists, loyal to their party, not serious about real legal reforms or the Constitution. They put their agenda before their duty. Progressives, the Democrats and Republicans only miss one thing: Swastikas."
Strange, strange, strange.
July 15, 2008 7:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Usually, one must go to a LaRouchite site to find such a lucid and compelling argument.
July 15, 2008 9:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well aside from the fact that neither the President or VP are popularly elected, I think this is a wonderful idea. Let us hold a national popularity contest to elect one member of congress. Brilliant.
Now of course we will have to do the same for most of the following positions, since they are also in line to take over the duties of President. Here is the list. Knock yourself out. Get out and start organizing. Of course that will keep you too busy to keep posting blogs on TPM. We are willing to make that sacrifice in order to allow you to accomplish your goal. Here is your launching pad.
This is a list of the current presidential line of succession, as specified by the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 (3 U.S.C. § 19).
# Office Current Officer
1 Vice President
President of the Senate Dick Cheney
2 Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi
3 President pro tempore of the Senate Robert Byrd
4 Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice
5 Secretary of the Treasury Henry Paulson
6 Secretary of Defense Robert Gates
7 Attorney General Michael Mukasey
8 Secretary of the Interior Dirk Kempthorne
9 Secretary of Agriculture Ed Schafer
— Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez (non-natural)†
— Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao (non-natural)†
10 Secretary of Health and Human Services Mike Leavitt
11 Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Steve Preston
12 Secretary of Transportation Mary Peters
13 Secretary of Energy Samuel Bodman
14 Secretary of Education Margaret Spellings
15 Secretary of Veterans Affairs James Peake
16 Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff††
July 15, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Liam,
You crack me up. Yeah, testing's latest rant is a pretty absurd one. It is unfortunate that so many of his twenty or so foil hat followers are going to eat this one up.
July 15, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
July 15, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess one way to get traffic to your blog posts is to make utterly ludicrous assertions in the title so that a person clicks to see what the hell you are going on about.
July 15, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guess Testing is realizing that Obama is going to win. It looks like he/she is getting ready to start ranting about his/her allegations on Obama being implicated in so-called for war crimes shortly.
Otherwise, what will testing have to write about during the next four years?
July 15, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wish the "let's mock testing" club could see beyond the rants to the kernels of important issues.
Are these really "ludicrous" and "strange" questions?
I, too, wish that testing could be more concise and direct in making his points, but that doesn't mean that there aren't valid issues raised in each of his posts.
Many reasonable people have been frustrated by Pelosi's statement that "impeachment is off the table" has thwarted official discussion in the House about many of the administration's abuses. She should be called on to explain and defend her 2006 position and her current change, following Kuchinich's presentation of a single article of impeachment.
July 15, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
So let me get this right. Testing posts an absurd posting that pushes for ripping apart our constitution and system of government and you in turn overlook such statements by testing to state four questions of no relevance.
Your questions are:
Why did Pelosi suddenly change her tune on impeachment and investigations?
Answer: Does this matter at all? Why or why not is not the issue. The simple fact is an impeachment article has been brought forth by a member of congress and investigations have been going on since the Democrats took over.
B. What is Pelosi's reason for suddenly reversing herself on her 2006 agenda of inaction?
Answer: same question as you already stated above, yet now reworded.
C. What legal consequences prompted Pelosi to open her eyes to the "benefits" of an investigation?
Answer: Yet again, the same question as you first raised reworded.
D. Why did it take this long for the Speaker to realize that facts, not an agenda, must guide leaders and their fulfillment of their duties?
Answer: This question is based on a faulty finding of fact and also is a deviation of the original question.
Yes, testing seems to ramble with nonsense. You also seem to be doing the same. You ask one question four different times and different ways.
July 15, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess you don't actually read testing's posts, or you would know that these are the questions he asked above. You make sure you complain about the posts, but you don't even know what's in them. This strikes me as rather sloppy preparation for commentary.
The questions testing has asked have to do with a body that is supposed to represent its constituents acting, it seems, to benefit their own interests or to protect themselves. If they acted on their constituents' behalf rather than on their own, the revelations and repercussions might be detrimental to their careers.
There are many, many people in Pelosi's district, as well as in the rest of the country, who feel that she has not paid attention to their concerns and acted on them. I and others would like to know why Pelosi shut off the possibility of impeachment in 2006 and now is willing to discuss it. As you point out, investigations have been proceeding since the Democrats regained the majority in Congress, but the natural consequence of these investigations' revealing crimes and misdemeanors by the President and Vice President—impeachment—was closed off by Pelosi. This has relevance because the answers will affect voters' decisions to reelect her (and others of her mindset) or not.
testing has been providing evidence that Pelosi has not upheld the responsibilities of her position for some time now. He has provided documentation from the Constitution, among other sources, that shows she and others in the Congress have not fulfilled their duties and held to their oaths of office.
Has testing gone off on tangents? Sure. Is his stuff hard to get through? You betcha. But this doesn't mean that there's nothing of value in his posts. There is. And this post is a reminder that all of our elected officials have a responsibility to their constituents and to the electorate in general. To reach what's valuable in these posts, I'm willing to ride on the tangent.
Pelosi may not be one of the members of Congress who has been accused of shady or corrupt dealings, but she may be guilty of putting her self-interests ahead of her duties. If her then-adamant decision to keep impeachment off the table had political motivations rather than true concerns (which I and others might think unfounded) about its being best for the country, I want to know this. I want to get more Waxmans and Kuciniches in the House who do their jobs and oust the players.
So please, if you have a thing about testing's posts, the answer is to ignore them. Every time you and another member of your club posts a comment, you increase his post's status and encourage more people to read them. If all of you completely ignore them, they will fade into obscurity.
But if you merely want to have your name in as many places as possible, then I guess this is one way to accomplish that.
July 15, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hi The Facilitrax ,
Thank you for a reasoned response to those who would shut down testing's post . I value the honest disagreements to be had here at TPM .
Perhaps I would be better served by not responding in kind to james dd aka" jimmie dean's " childish attacks on testing and those of us who would defend his right to post these fairly dense tomes here.. Its just I hate to see any of us bullied on this thread -especially by such mawkish churlish whiners such as "jimmie dean " - But maybe I can return to the adult seats with the rest of you - after I press send now..( but just as likley I won't , ..)
July 15, 2008 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Albie,
As usual, you post a comment that is of little to no value. For all your childish comments and what not, all you ever seem to write is comments that are nothing more than suck up ones to testing.
It is unfortunate in all your years on this earth, you did not learn how to reason or debate. For your lack of intellect is truly apparent in your writings.
July 15, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, if you value disagreements on TPM, why are you usually the first one to threaten others that post comments that disagree with your bizarre viewpoint? I have witnessed firsthand how you have threatened others in your comments.
It is telling that now you change tactic so quick to somehow act like you are above the fray. You sir are deep deep in the gutter of muck
July 15, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm. You took the time to chide (my gentle understatement) Al in Austex—twice—but you don't address my rebuttal.
Al is right. There's no point in giving my time to your comments. You're not engaging in real discourse. You just seem to have trouble with your prostate.
July 16, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
This shows how the questions hope to solicit slightly different aspects of Pelosi's decision making. The time to ask the questions, and demand some straight answers is now, not "maybe later," after an important decision. Only Pelosi knows what is going on inside Pelosi's mind. Her job is to share with us her thinking behind the change.
When investigations start, it's important to ask about the same issues from different angles. Let's review each of the questions, and you'll see each of them looks at the issue slightly differently.
It is the burden of others to explain, despite no answers, why the reject even a question about something we do not know: The inner workings of Pelosi's decisionmaking on this public issue.
Reviewing How the Different Questions Yield Different Discussion Points
This question (A.) does not specify a time, but is an open question:
Pelosi is free to discuss her answer in terms of:
- Did Pelosi change her position because she views impeachment as an exclusive House action that should be done regardless of the Senate vote; or
- Did Pelosi change her position only on the investigation, and still is not serious about examining any evidence for purposes of reviewing the charges on the House floor?
This question (B.) doesn't focus on impeachment, investigations, the House, or the Senate, but narrowly looks at the agenda:
It's for Pelosi to comment whether Pelosi's decision was or wasn't linked with an agenda. The above question leaves open the option that the "agenda" is unrelated to the President, impeachment investigations.
- How Pelosi defines "agenda" is a separate issue than what we believe the agenda is.
This question (C.) looks at the catalyst for Pelosi to change her position on investigations and impeachment:
The above question focuses on the specific catalysts for that change, which could be a meeting, a memo, or a discrete event that may or may not be recent. We don't know. Perhaps it was new polling data, a memo, or some conversation she had. Perhaps there were no specific legal consequences discussed. Again, this is for Pelosi to discuss and disclose.
- Was there something she was not considering, but changed her view because she realized there may be legal consequences for refusing to investigate?
- Are there memos Members of Congress may wish to disclose showing what Pelosi documented behind he reasons not to open all the doors to an investigation?
- Are the stated reasons Pelosi is providing now, after the apparent change in tune, consistent with the previous written comments she or staff counsel have provided internally?
- Is there something about asking the President and AG for documentation about discussions on US Attorney firings that should prompt the Speaker to say, "You know, we ought to show the AG, by example, that we in Congress are willing to disclose internal deliberative documents on impeachment decisions."
This question (D.) focuses on the time delay:
The above question focuses on
Why We Should Challenge Pelosi To Discuss Publicly Her Thinking On This Important Change
Each of the above questions focuses on:
How each of the above issues is addressed will guide US citizens to discuss and make conclusions:
Until we get more information from Pelosi, and discuss the above issues, it's unclear why some are reluctant to consider asking questions about these issues from slightly different angles. The leadership isn't going to tell us which questions we should be asking. It's our job to independently conduct oversight, not accept their assertions on face value.
- Is someone afraid that the answers might produce new information which isn't consistent with pre-determined conclusions?
Once Pelosi responds at length to the above questions, the public will be able to decide whether:
Examining Those Who Dismiss Questions, Inquiry
Perhaps others may wish to discuss why they are not interested in engaging in a discussion with Pelosi for her to put her cards on the table, and explain what her thinking is; or whether there are some other factors the public needs to consider. Just because Pelosi might win the election and may retain the Speakers position does not mean the public is barred from discussing their concerns, and working with their elected officials to challenge Pelosi, or declare the Speaker's position vacant.
We're supposed to be making informed decisions about civil society, governance, and governance. One person can make a different. It would be irresponsible to argue for ignorance, but not disclose the justification for that appeal to ignorance.
Arguing that we shouldn't ask questions prompts the following discussion:
July 15, 2008 11:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
testing ,
There are others who agree with you , keep on posting please...
and Jackson Browne is a great American !
July 16, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
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