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Pelosi Must Explain Why She Thwarted EO 9808 By Taking Impeachment "Off the Table"
Speaker Pelosi said impeachment was "off the table." Now she says the Judiciary Committee "may" review the articles of impeachment with an impeachment investigation.
Pelosi owes the public an explanation: What changed, and why. Many local, state, and federal officials have used her "impeachment is off the table" to thwart required local, state, and federal action to do what Congress refuses to do: Investigate, conduct oversight, and defend the Constitution from domestic enemies. It remains unclear to what extent other American officials have illegally assented to Pelosi's leadership, and not fully asserted their legal obligations.
It is the duty of all local, state, and federal officials to enforce the civil rights of Americans. Executive Order 9808 remains in full force: Oversight requires investigations, fact finding, and confrontation. Truman made it clear that these duties attached to all government officials at the local, state, and federal levels:
"The preservation of civil liberties is a duty of every Government-state, Federal and local. Wherever the law enforcement measures and the authority of Federal, state, and local
governments are inadequate to discharge this primary function of
government, these measures and this authority should be strengthened
and improved."
There is nothing suggesting EO 9808 has been rescinded, retracted or superseded:
Executive Order 9808
Executive Order No. Establishing the President's Committee on Civil Rights
- Signed: December 5, 1946
- Federal Register page and date: 11 FR 14153, December 7, 1946
The wrong answer was for the Congress to ignore FISA or the Geneva Conventions. The right answer was for the Congress to conduct an investigation, gather facts, and develop a solution. Granting immunity without conducting an investigation hardly meets the intent of EO 9808. Taking impeachment off the table, and blocking an investigation until 2008 does not inspire confidence Pelosi is serious about meeting her primary legal obligations.
The public must understand what role the Federal Government played in thwarting state level proclamations calling on Congress to investigate and impeach this president. This Speaker must explain why, despite EO 9808 she has blocked an
investigation to fully comply with her legal obligations; and/or
thwarted local, state, and federal officials from gathering facts.
Without an adequate Pelosi comment on EO 9808 and why she thwarted enforcement of civil rights through an investigation, this Speaker's position must be declared vacant.












Comments (21)
"... this Speaker's position must be declared vacant."
...or her brain and/or her moral code must be declared vacant.
July 13, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
This wins my vote for worst post of 2008.
July 13, 2008 11:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree. There are some valid questions here, and others are asking them.
If the subject doesn't matter to you, fine. But there's no need to make a judgment about it and the post that discounts what others think is pretty darned important.
In fact, just a minute ago, Thom Hartmann was talking about this same subject on Air America.
July 14, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
"There is nothing suggesting EO 9808 has been rescinded, retracted or superseded:"
True, but the committee it formed was dissolved when (and if) its report was submitted. It would require another Executive Order (from President Bush) to reinstate EO 9808.
July 14, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nancy Pelosi was not Speaker when she said that it was off the table. She told the voters that months before the 2006 elections, while her party was still in the minority. The voters took that into account and still turned Congress over to the Democrats. That is when she became Speaker.
I know that you are a Pelosi stalker. It is starting to look more and more creepy.
Check out the following news item from May 2006. She was not yet the Speaker, so she is just keeping her word to the voters. She did not bait and switch. Stop making up your own set of facts.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/05/13/MNG94IRGOO1.DTL
A Democrat-controlled House wouldn't impeach, Pelosi says
Edward Epstein, Chronicle Washington Bureau
Saturday, May 13, 2006
Rep. Nancy Pelosi has a legislative agenda if Democrats w...
(05-13) 04:00 PDT Washington -- House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco has told her caucus that the idea of impeaching President Bush isn't in the cards if the party takes over the House in November's elections.
Pelosi, who Republicans have charged intends to lead an impeachment effort, dismissed the idea when she spoke Wednesday morning at a closed-door caucus of the House's 201 Democrats. Pelosi also restated her opposition to the idea of censuring Bush over his decision to invade Iraq in March 2003.
"We want oversight and checks and balances,'' Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly said she told the caucus. "That certainly isn't being done in this Congress (under Republican control). Impeachment was never her interest.''
Even though she said impeachment wouldn't be on the table, Pelosi supports investigations into such issues as prewar intelligence about Iraq and contracts awarded in Iraq to Halliburton Corp. and other companies.
Pelosi, who is likely to become the first female House speaker if the Democrats win in November, has been forced to strike a delicate balance between her party's left, where the idea of impeaching Bush has found a positive reception, and moderates who say raising the issue would repel voters in the swing districts that Democrats must win to regain the House majority they lost in 1994.
July 14, 2008 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
You know what's interesting about this Pelosi-bashing is that she is by far the most leftwing speaker we've had for a long time. For a San Fran lefty to become speaker of the house in Bush's America -- wow!
Yet, the purists and fanatics actually hate her more for having to make compromises. I'm sure if she had the votes, she would pursue. You can not wring blood from a stone.
Similarly, I think it is fascinating that some fo the fringe rightwing loathe John McCain on his immigration and other stances, like initial opposition to drilling in Alaska. Why hate McCain more than the Dems, who also oppose drilling? Because McCain is being a "traitor", so he is hated more than Democrats by some. In some ways, McCain might now be on the receving end of the "Nader effect".
Just goes to show how purists and absolutists are one of the biggest impedements to realworld progress.
July 14, 2008 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Stare Decisis
The key concept, which appears to escape some is the plain language: "Preservation of civil rights" as a duty of elected officials. Consider the language in the Supreme Court, linking the duty of "preservation of civil liberty" with the structure of the US government in this Constitution:
Before the Supreme Court, an attorney has emphatically asserted the "duty" of lawyers to meet this standard to defend the Constitution, yet this obligation seems lost on lawyers and American elected officials:
July 14, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
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Stare Decisis
The key concept, which appears to escape some is the plain language: "Preservation of civil rights" as a duty of elected officials. Consider the language in the Supreme Court, linking the duty of "preservation of civil liberty" with the structure of the US government in this Constitution:
Before the Supreme Court, an attorney has emphatically asserted the "duty" of lawyers to meet this standard to defend the Constitution, yet this obligation seems lost on lawyers and American elected officials:
The lawyer argued that an independent, not complicit bar was crucial to preserve civil liberties. Yet, what is to be said of a bar that, through alleged inaction and silence, would ask we support it in it's alleged complicity with this President's reckless assaults on the Constitution? They appear to have made excuses, but have not met the standard presented before the Supreme Court.
Who has intimidated Pelosi to argue that the "right" action is to not investigate? Something must have dissuaded action, otherwise there would have been an investigation and state proclamations.
Who is arguing that the "duty" to enforce the Constitution, preserve civil liberties, is "not" settled Constitutional law? Explain yourself.
Who is suggesting that the "duty" to enforce the Constitution and preserve civil rights is not required; and that those saying this is "discretionary" are "learned" or "able" civilians, leaders, or judges? That defies reason.
Who is arguing that the language "preservation of civil liberty," as affirmed by the Supreme Court is somehow "not" a duty; or "outside" what the Constitution intended?
Executive Orders
Until executive orders are revoked, they otherwise they remain in full force, unless amended or rescinded, or superseded. Once signed, these Executive Orders are part of the Code of Federal Regulations.
No one has provided any justification to believe this language no longer applies to Pelosi or US federal, state, or local employees:
This President has made a point of changing EOs or saying they do not apply. Yet, 9808, which has not been rescinded, must still apply.
This President cannot have it both ways. An Executive order, it's language, and the Supreme Court opinion is unrelated to Congressional Committees: They are three separate branches of government. The language is binding on all Americans, including Congressional legal counsel.
This American community is making excuses to avoid accepting: The American elected officials do have a duty to enforce the law; to preserve civil liberties; and they have recklessly refused to fulfill their legal obligations, as evidenced by the inaction on an impeachment investigation; and an assent to excuses not to call on Congress to investigate.
Rather than confront the failure to assert their duty, Americans seem quick to enable excuses that trivialize the issue, and make excuses to pretend the operative language -- whether it is in an executive order or Supreme Court language -- somehow doesn't apply. You have provided nothing to justify any faith that these legal duties have been granted a waiver. As evidenced by the oath, those duties are binding obligations, not discretionary.
To argue that this duty is discretionary would ask that we believe the Constitution is merely a piece of paper, not binding, and unenforceable. That is not a defensible legal position, but worthy of public and grand jury scrutiny. The issue is whether the Speaker, as an elected official and sworn Constitutional officer, will or will not lead the required confrontation with this President's illegal defiance of our civil liberties. She permitted a vote on FISA. That was her choice. Asking Americans to "go along" with that assault on our civil liberties defies reason and is an excuse to reward reckless assaults on the Constitution.
Wrong. Answer.
July 14, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
FISA and NSA rules require a balance, not a tradeoff:
This President, Congress, and Pelosi have collective convinced Americans, government officials, and competent, able learned oversight that we must ignore the violations of the latter, to protect the power of the former." That is contrary to the oath, and the intent of the framers.
July 14, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is an error to argue that an electorate, once they cast their vote, are bound to remain loyal to leaders who defy the Constitution. The individual leaders are not the same as the Constitution. To argue that leaders are infallible, and above challenge is absurd. To argue this would have us absurdly believe the oath of office, once taken and not adhered, is unenforceable; yet, the Constitution itself requires an oath:
The purpose of grand juries, impeachment investigations, and other oversight is to have, as required, mid-term corrections. Otherwise, governance collapses into a charade of rubber stamps without continuing oversight, compliance, and preservation of the Constitution.
Arguing that elected officials cannot be challenged, mid-term, would absurdly say, "Despite an alleged violation of the law, no US government, state, or local official may be convicted of any crime." They are not more equal than the Constitution.
July 14, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whether Pelosi did or didn't say the comments about impeachment "being off the table," is misdirection. It's is her continuing compliance, enforcement, and adherence to that standard. Self-evidently, we've had no investigation for a reason.
We have no clear explanation why Pelosi blocked the Judiciary Committee or Conyers from starting an impeachment investigation; or why Pelosi now changed her mind to say that it "may" start an investigation.
There has been no investigation for a reason. It's time to find out what was getting in the way. If Pelosi isn't sure, we need a discussion of what would give us leaders who are sure of their reasons, decisions, guidance, and legal obligations.
Who is arguing to have elected officials, but keep them immune to challenge, question, and accountability for their alleged breaches of their legal obligations?
July 14, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is sophistry, and a distraction from the needed investigation:
Impeachment is in the Constitution; and the duty to enforce the Constitution is in the oath. Whether an "idea" is or isn't something elected officials want to entertain is misdirection from their legal obligations.
The promise not to fully assert ones oath, not investigate, or not defend the Constitution is not an enforcable campaign promise. If presented as an "agreement," it is not enforceable. The voters did not vote to agree to let the Constitution decay.
The voters voted as they did, but that vote does not trump the obligations of the elected officials. The voters' decision does not strip the US government officials of their legal obligations, which the elected officials agreed through the oath.
Deconstructing the Misdirection
Notice the misdirection: The false assertion that the "voters said" something in an election, and distracting attention from the legal obligations on the Constitution, through the oath of office.
Voting decisions a separate issue than legal obligations on those elected officials:
July 14, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
The language justifying public concern at the state, local, and federal level inaction on their duty to preserve civil rights is contained not just in Executive Order 9808 and other Supreme Court language. The public needs to know why the US leadership -- at the state, local, and federal levels -- have not fully asserted their oath of office obligations; and have refused to ensure our civil rights have been fully respected, as required by law, the Constitution, and oath of office. The evidence is clear: Across the board, no state proclamations passed, despite a duty to protect civil rights.
Congress refuses to support leaders who will explain why they have not kept all doors open to fully assert their duties. The public must find leaders who will engage in accountability. We need leaders who will timely conduct oversight to ensure their legal obligations are fully asserted, not explained away as trivial, "quaint" standards. One option is to support Members of the House in declaring the Speaker's position vacant.
July 14, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quibbling Over Justifications For Inaction
The DNC majority in the House elected Pelosi as Speaker; but the House may declare her position vacant. The DNC is not obliged to protect her. The House, not the Speaker, decides whether to investigate, impeach, or do nothing. This Speaker would have us believe she is the House. She is not.
She said this After the election, November 2006:
It is also false to say the DNC "always" had a promise to not impeach or investigate. Other members of the caucus promised the opposite, an investigation:
The removal decision belongs with the Senate, not the DNC or Pelosi. The proper starting position is with an investigation; then a decision, after that investigation, "What do we do." Pelosi and others have circularly argued, "We aren't going to remove, so we aren't going to investigate." That hardly meets the intent of 9808, the SUpreme Court language, or the oath of office.
Some might argue, "She did not agree, when taking impeachment off the table, to never investigate." That argument fails because there's been no investigation. Why? No answer.
We need to find out. Pelosi needs to explain why she's essentially ignored the language in EO 9808; and why she and others have effectively thwarted 9808 and the language in 9808 and the Supreme Court precedents:
July 14, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some say we need to "compromise". Compromise on what? Without an investigation, this Congress voted to grant immunity to the telecoms; and made a decision -- not based on any facts -- that they wouldn't investigate. It is a myth that an investigation would cause a backlash for the DNC.
We didn't vote in 2006 to compromise on the Constitution. Saying we deferred to the Congress would ask that we agree with a compromise on the compromise of 1789. The Constitution is the Supreme Law. A decision to "compromise" on FISA, and not fully enforce our civil rights, isn't a credible starting position for a debate; but a legal justification for a grand jury inquiry.
All we can read above are more excuses to do nothing, and apologize for inaction. Let the leadership make their defense for their decision to not fully assert their legal obligations per this language:
Who is afraid of letting the leadership be confronted by a Grand Jury on this question? If the leaders' decision was sound, then the grand jury will find that; but if there is a problem, let the grand jury make their decision.
Is someone arguing for the "idea" of a democratic system, but afraid of letting that system be subject to oversight, examination, and scrutiny? Perhaps the leadership has lost its way; and isn't aware of what it is doing. This would have us believe that if we dare exercise our rights to scrutiny, this might be a threat to the Constitution. That's more NSA-McConnel non-sense:
July 14, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is the finding of the Committee:
Here is the language expressly showing the problem with local, state, and federal officials:
Conversely, this means when the US Federal government refuses to act, this imposes a duty on the state and local officials to act. But somehow, Pelosi's "impeachment is off the table"-argument thwarted state legislatures and assemblies asking Congress to investigate. Only Vermont's Senate, not legislative assembly including the House, passed the resolution.
Who would like to know why, despite a finding from the 1940s on state-local-federal obligations and duties to preserve civil rights, your elected officials did nothing to investigate this President's FISA violations? Your civil rights have been thwarted. The current litigation is going after the telecoms. The decision makers in Congress and the local-state level have the duties which must be met.
We had FISA, but this President and Congress ignored it, completely at odds with the language related to the committee report in re EO 9808:
DoJ had the "tools" to do the job: FISA. They ignored it. This Congress and President refused to enforce the law. Congress would have us absurdly believe that there was a "gap" in the FISA. No, there was a gap in the state, local, and federal officials interested in preserving civil rights.
The President, Congress, and Pelosi jointly agreed:
No, there's a hole in the oversight and leadership's commitment to enforce the Constitution. Without FISA, the Constitutional requirements to comply with the warrant remain in full force. Ignoring FISA doesn't solve the problem; it leaves the President with a warrant requirement without any lawful way to circumvent the civil right to a warrant.
Who has another excuse to explain away legal duties of state, local, and federal officials?
July 14, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Today's problem is the combined refusal of state, federal, and local officials to act; and the President-AG decision not to enforce the law. Arguably, an excuse to explain away the language in EO 9808 tells us something: There's a distraction from whether the Constitutional duties will or will not be asserted, much less enforced:
A judicial remedy meant enforcing FISA. The "good faith" efforts to Members of Congress included conducting an investigation. Today, the problem is a breakdown of the law enforcement and the political oversight at the state-local-federal levels. The Constitution has fallen into disrepair; and the President's abuses since 2001 have largely been ignored. That's seven years of inaction, malfeasance, and excuses.
The refusal to confront illegal activity has given us extended combat operations, spiraling debts, and budget cuts at the local level. yet, despite this impact to state and local interests, the state and local officials can't be bothered. What will it take?
This is wrong, as she said it after the election on November 8th, 2006:
She knew her party was going to take control because she and her party had won the election. By her actions -- inaction on an investigation; blocking an investigation -- she reaffirmed this statement every day she's been speaker.
Whether Pelosi said this before or after the election hardly seems relevant: Her continued inaction on an impeachment investigation clearly reaffirmed the policy and prior statement. The policy of refusing to investigate and impeach this President was established, and spanned Congress from 2001 to 2008.
Pelosi merely reaffirmed in 2006, both before and after the election with words and inaction, a policy started in 2001:
It's an open question whether this inaction -- and her continuing policy to not permit an impeachment investigation -- meets the legal standards applicable through the oath of office. (See 541 F.2d 331 in re alleged inaction, malfeasance of INC officials )
We have a decision and agreement between the state and federal and local officials to do nothing. What is your solution besides making excuses? We swallowed the, "Wait until the election"-argument, and we've seen the results: More of the same.
This is Orwellian non-sense, completely at odds with the legal duties at the state, local, and federal level:
July 14, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Testing ,
Keep up the good posts - we appreciate that we all have a duty to protect the Constitution .
July 14, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah Testing, keep posting the rants. They really have no effect on what is occurring on in the world, but if these rants of yours help with your therapy, please continue.
As for Albie, seriously, you need to get off the computer and go do something. If you honestly believe someone's blog posting that is based off of projection and speculation has an impact on anything, you need help.
July 15, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
jimmie dean !
What a pleasure to hear from you again . How are things in Philly ? How's your dear friend Mary Beth doing ?
Please keep up the mawkish criticisms - its both humourous and revelatory - Welcome back to the five and dime again indeed -jimmie dean !
July 15, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Albie,
Are you a fucking idiot? At what point do you assume I somehow am a fan of Ms. Buchanan. You really are a stupid fucking idiot.
I have continuously stated I find Ms. Buchanan to be an example of what is wrong with the bush doj. In the example of the Wecht case, I have continuously stated that prosecution appears to be both selective in nature and an overreach of the law.
I realize that you appear not to understand how to comprehend what you read because you seem to write love notes to testing's rants.
Please stop by again you nitwit.
July 15, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
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