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Our Fear of Success

I've noticed someting about individual Democrats that's hard to bring up, but I'm going to try to articulate that here in the hope that we can change that.

Democrats and liberals, as a people, seem to have a deep fear of success when it comes to issues (such as FISA and impeachment).

This fear is best reflected in posts like this one.  There's a certain "this-or-that" mentality to it.  According to this mentality, we can either win on issues, or win elections, but not both.  Furthermore, as the mentality goes, if we (as liberals and Democrats) press the issues that we think are important, then it's to the detriment of our election chances.  We should temper our convictions in order to win elections.  I would like to point out how absurd this notion is.

Firstly, winning elections stems from being able to win on the issues.  The Democratic party is resoundingly in step with the American people.  Take a look at any poll and you'll see that the voting public favors the Democrat's plan on the Iraqi war, health care, telecomm immunity, and a host of many more issues.

However, simply having the public's sympathy is only the half of it.  The Democrats still need to enact meaningful, institutional change based on these issues.  Sure, if the Democrats have the public's sympathy, it makes winning elections easier, but watch how quickly that sympathy disappears when nothing of consequence is done on these issues (see: FISA, Iraq war, etc).

Americans love a winner.  If we win on the issues, we win at the ballot box.  No amount of sternly-worded letters or soaring speeches can replace the satisfaction of enacting real change, and the voters will agree.

Secondly, pressing our the issues (like, say, FISA), doesn't hinder our chances of getting elected.  I hate to bring up the GOP, but they pressed every issue at all times in the last 16 years.  And, with a very few exceptions, they've been winning for the last 16 years.  The conservative arm of the GOP (the only arm left anymore) was relentless.  They wrote, spoke and appeared on every issue that was important to them.  Sometimes they weren't very successful (see: Clinton impeachment, Terri Schiavo affair), but you know what?  They never really felt an electoral backlash from any of these failures either.  The GOP is certainly in some dire straits now, but it's not from a lack of enthusiasm about the issues.

Whereas the GOP uses a full-court press when it comes to issues, some Democrats would rather we only win one issue or election at a time.  I think the last 16 years are enough evidence to prove that the former strategy is better than the latter.

Our capacity to win, both elections and in the legislature, is not a zero sum game.  Putting more effort in FISA, or any other issue, does not dimish our electoral efforts.  If anything, it strengthens them.  We can win on FISA, on health care and on almost all other issues, and at the same time win elections.  (It sounds so stupid to write that last paragraph, but I really think some people don't believe it.)

The American people are in our corner.  Our aspirations are theirs.  It's time we made the changes they want.


Comments (12)

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Recommended.

The GOP controls the dialogue in this country, and the Democrats seem to have moved into a position of If You Can't Beat 'Em, Join 'Em. This is now called "pragmatism."

Recommended though I disagree with the conclusions.

This country may be ready to begin that journey back to the left that is demanded by the last 40 years, but during a transition year one can certainly press too hard and lose an electoral mandate.

Does this mean Obama would lose as Super Duper Liberal Man? No, I think he would still win in the given environment. But the margins would be narrow, allowing for electoral high-jinxs. The republicans might be energized by facing a Super Duper Liberal candidate to coalesce behind McCain, especially if Romney is his running mate.

I think Barack would win a Pyhrric victory, at best, and be facing a 50%+1 "mandate" to face our serious and life-threatening problems. Which means more deadlock in Washington and nothing getting done for at least the next four years.

To really pull us back from the edge of the cliff means we need to bring republicans and independents along for the ride. We can't do that by shoving our idealism in their face as our first impression. We need them to accept progressive goals for this country and to push their representatives to deliver. This is a much more delicate operation than this blog suggests.

I say let's give Barack fours years to bring the national narrative back to left before we demand that he runs (and wins) on the Super Duper Liberal Platform.

I think Barack would win a Pyhrric victory, at best, and be facing a 50%+1 "mandate" to face our serious and life-threatening problems. Which means more deadlock in Washington and nothing getting done for at least the next four years.

In all seriousness, getting nothing done is better than getting things like the FISA "compromise" done. If the choice has to be between erosion of our rights and deadlock, give me deadlock.

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Tom Robbins once wrote that the problems between people weren't political, they were philosophical. While his following speech went further than I beleive, the underlying point is solid.

Premise A: Each of us is responsible for no one other than ourself, and the responsibility for our lives rest solely with ourself. Others may choose to help, but they are under no obligation to do so, and we are lacking (I guess that's the best word) if we consistently need to rely on their help. It is our life and our ressonsibility to fix whatever may be wrong with it.

Premise B: Each of us has a responsibility to help each other, and we have a social compact that requires us to do whatever we can to help, whenever we can. If someone is struggling in their life, then it is up to us (either individually or as a nation) to help them out, and, in those times we need help, it is not unethical for us to expect help as well.

In America these days, Premise A resonates better with most people. We're in a climate of "greed is good" and materialism, where everyone's salary is published and everyone wants a better TV, or a better job or house or iPhone. The prevailing philosphy of the country is Premise A. And even when people want aspects of Premise B, they still have an inherent bias towards A. That's why people are okay with 401Ks instead of pension plans; they vote for lower property taxes instead of better schools -- even as they bitch about the schools, they vote for lower taxes. Obama talks about tax cuts, he doesn't talk about more spending. As a general rule these days, people don't like the idea of helping each other out -- they certainly don't like the idea of being forced to.

But, of course, that's our agenda on the progressive side. We think goverment -- and government is funded by our money -- has an obligation to help. We push for health care, and social security, and welfare programs and better schools -- all things that cost people more money. And people, as a rule, don't like having less money, and they like it even less when some of their money goes to the goverment.

Our problem with resonating with the public isn't that we don't try hard enough, it's that the core of our message is not one people want to hear. They may need to hear it, but they don't want to.

So we try to sneak our way into power and do those things we feel must be done in order to help. And we do that by laying low with some of these core ideas.

In regards to FISA and Iraq, there's another philosophical issue, as Margaret atwood laid out -- Freedom From and Freedom To -- and they are also mutually exclusive. FF wants a world free from fear, from danger. So things that are requires to do that are okay,and limitations that FF requires are part of the price. In FF, you can know that people are trying to keep you safe, keep you unoffended. And if that requires a few less liberties, it's worth it. FT wants a world where you are free to do as you please, and that comes with a price -- the freedom from being eavesdropped on means bad guys may get away with more. Freedom to speak means you may be offended by what someone else says.

But we can't argue for FT without limiting FF, and, honestly, the FFers are winning these days. Look at the almost universal acceptance of sex offender lists, or the fact that no one out side of FTers cares much about FISA. FT is a losing arguement these days, so we have to sneak our way into power there, too. It's not that we're less eloquent in our beleifs, it's that the mainstream has decided the other way for now.

Or that's the way I see it as a Premise B, FT guy :)

As the author of the post you linked to rebut, I don't think my post can reasonably be read as fear of succeeding on issues. My post doesn't place issues and electoral success in opposition, as you incorrectly suggest. It's not called "Win Elections, Not Issues." You write: "According to this mentality, we can either win on issues, or win elections, but not both." Not a fair summary. It's a straw man.

Since it's someone else's post, I'll be more direct on one you raise: impeachment is a retarded, inherently self-defeating "issue" that helps the GOP base. My point is not avoiding issues, it's picking the right issues.

The Iraq War is the great issue of our time, and I think we should stake much of this year's election on it (as opposed to the "issue" of punishing its duly elected authors personally). The Iraq War, healthcare, and environmental change are the great issues on which our party should campaign (and on which Obama is properly campaigning), not injuring our enemies.

By the way, agree with your comment in a separate thread that the platform of the Green Party is to fuck up Presidential elections. Kudos for that.

Fair enough, but I think that you have a very skewed view of of the "right" issues are.

If the Democrats press every issue that they have a polling advantage on, they could cover the news channels 24/7 until the election and beyond. And the American people would agree with them. There would be no better election-year strategy.

The fact that the Democrats don't do that is what I call a "fear of success." They have pollsters working for them, they know that they have an advantage on many issues, and yet they don't press those issues.

Why do they do this? It's because of the this-or-that mentality that says that they can't win both elections and in the legislature. This mentality is propagated by posts such as yours that characterize people like me (who want to press issues that are both important and politically expedient for Democrats) "bad for the party" or "PUMA's" or whatever.

FISA is over and done with for better or worse. It passed both houses of congress and Bush signed the bill into law. It will not be revisited this year and may not be revisited until it expires in about 5 years.

Continuing to talk like the horse hasn't left the barn only makes irritable purity trolls even more angry and pushes them into not voting or throwing their vote away on third party candidates.

The executive branch now has virtually unlimited power to spy on Americans. That makes it all the more imperative that we elect Obama president and more and better dems to the House and Senate.

The only upside to this is the irony of ironies that Obama's AG just might use these now legal tools to get the evidence to put Bush and Cheney in prison once they're out of office.

Neither of those clowns are going to morph into choir boys once they go home. They'll be looking to cash in on all the favors they dealt out, many of which went overseas. They also can't very well stop using modern communication tools.

If and when Bush or Cheney get indicted look for the entire Republican party to morph into Ron Paul all of sudden when it comes to the Fourth Amendment. Then we'll get a better FISA bill.


Irritable purity trolls is such an excellent phrase. You will see it again on TPM. Gracias, spam.

The expansion of executive power is bad, regardless of who is in office. Also, do you think Obama's going to be President forever? He's going to leave office one day, and there's going to be a 50/50 chance that someone you don't like is going to take his place. Would you trust that next President with the current FISA legislation?

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Imagine if solid Republicans were voting in favor of progressive issues that they disagreed with because they were worried about what the big mean Democrats might say about them at election time.

Ridiculous, right?

The American people want to see Democrats walk up to the Republicans and kick them in the balls.

But they haven't, and it seems they won't. Hence the single-digit approval ratings for Congress.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid our congresspeople see those single digits and think "obviously we've been standing up for our principles too often - we'd better try even harder to please George Bush."

Yes, exactly. Everything you said (except the part about single-digit approval ratings, I think that's hyperbole).

If we ditch our principles and exalt pragmatism then we get elected but aren't worthy of the honor, having lost our selves.

If we throw out political practicalities and stand on our principles, then we stay in the wilderness and evil triumphs.

This seems to me at least, to be a false choice.

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