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Our Ammunition – Countermeasures against the MSM
The MSM is the enemy of truth. Maybe not in every case, but it’s becoming clear that they love McCain’s sprinkled donuts more than they love truth and fairness. So the question is, “What can we do about it?”
I’ve posted twice about this issue, and generally I just let things die when they die on TPM. But my dear Aunt Sam suggested that this was important enough to keep alive, and I respect Aunt Sam’s opinion. So here’s a summary of what has been discussed in various recent threads:
-My original idea is that we work to create a clearinghouse for MSM lies, distortions and obvious bias. This clearinghouse concept would include video and a transcript, plus the important people to contact at the network level and among advertisers. The goal is to make it super easy for all of us, busy as we are, to fire off a letter of protest, correction or outrage to the people who matter, to make phone calls or to spread the (bad) news to other sites and people we interact with.
I asked for other people’s suggestions, and I got them.
- Oregon Activist suggested that we get Obama elected, which is certainly at the top of my agenda.
- Also from Oregon Activist was a “Media Activism 101” post that contained many good ideas.
- Other people suggested a full journalistic exposé of the corrupt MSM (Logico), while someone else suggested a mass petition (althelia) These measures, while they couldn’t hurt, don’t fulfill my goal of making our presence a constant, not a one-time event that can fade quickly from memory and be ignored by the MSM in any case.
- Ripper McCord had a good post on how he has dealt directly with department heads at the AP, and has even had stories changed based on his criticism. He pointed out Eric Kramer’s excellent list of resources at http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/07/horrified-by-ap-bias.php.
- CarolBG reminded us of how pressure from a coordinated effort caused stations to back down on banning the Nightline episode that read the list of those killed in action in Iraq. The pressure can work.
- Lux Umbra Dei suggests litigation and class action. Not sure how that would play out, but I actually think we have a case against them for disinformation and corruption of the political process – a distinctly un-American, and to me, treasonous behavior.
- Jumpy Jack commented that he avoids obvious smear articles, but if he happens to read one, he comments and debunks the smear. He also suggested that taking the message to other sites (besides the “progressive echo chambers” like TPM) is a good idea, and suggests realclearpolitics.com. In a separate post, he suggested doing the MSM’s homework for them and emailing journalists with the real stories, complete with facts and truth and all that.
- JasonEverettMiller points out that the readership of sites like TPM have many more lurkers than participants, so that the message here is effective, too.
- Jester suggests that prominent bloggers meet and coordinate efforts to get the message across in a one-page document entitled, “ALERT, WARNING AMERICANS ARE BEING BRAINWASHED.” The idea is that once the email goes viral, it will shake up the MSM.
-Jester and CarolBG remind me of Media Matters and Free Press.
- In my next post, I printed a message I wrote to Media Matters and Free Press suggesting a landing page that more or less fit the description above. I asked people for their ideas, and several people supported this concept, even going so far as to write to these sites themselves to reinforce the idea.
- CarolBG immediately took up the challenge and wrote to Media Matters herself, with a promise to let us know if she gets a response.
- Logico responded with the idea of a daily propaganda buster video that is featured on liberal, conservative and independent blogs along with a recognizable logo that can be featured on various sites. Something like Certified Organic logo for foods. Clicking on this logo would bring up the daily update. Also, suggests an independent panel of journalists with a rotating jury of viewers selected by lottery to maintain the information. Mentions League of Women Voters, Politico, The Nation, WatchingAmerica, TPM and various nonprofits.
- Ially wonders if Josh Marshal could resuscitate “The Horses Mouth” with someone other than Greg Sargent. I wonder if Josh Marshal is paying attention to this thread.
- DonnaG suggests a second “Muckrakers” site dedicated to this kind of MSM-busting activism.
So that’s where we are so far. If I left someone’s idea out, please pardon me, and simply add it to comments below. Because we’re not finished yet. We’ve got some ideas here, but how do we take action? Who is willing to do more than discuss this and actually step up to implement or advocate for some measures that can help our voice be heard?





Comments (71)
Boy, I've missed a lot.
I think these are all great ideas. My only concern is that those who would use these outlets for truthseeking are those who already distrust the MSM.
July 8, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Distrust of the MSM is what this is about. We're looking for alternative ways to counter the distorted message and to fight back directly against the MSM through various campaigns. In essence, we're trying to mobilize the troops to take action and to create usable systems to facilitate that action.
July 8, 2008 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Paranoia and conspiracy theories.
Guess the best reaction is to send out your own distorted view.
"I have seen the enemy and he is us." -pogo
July 8, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Call it what you like. I'm not interested in further distortion, but to correct the record and to clarify through facts the lies that get disseminated. If you truly believe that this is not the case - that the MSM is fair and balanced - then you are entitled to your opinion, but it has no bearing on what we're discussing here. We obviously live in worlds apart.
July 8, 2008 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Conspiracy like Iraq being a war for oil?
July 13, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
We're simply spending our dollars elsewhere than on the MSM. I missed Wimbledon on TV for the first time in thirty years because we don't get NBC anymore. Once the digital switch occurs, we're trashing our idiot boxes.
July 8, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Meanwhile, you miss Wimbledon, and millions continue to be duped. To me, that's not a response to this post, that's just a personal decision to stop watching. I don't watch this shit, either, but I do recognize that a lot of people still do. That's what bothers me. That's why this post exists - to do something about those who do not have your perspective or have not made the same decision you have.
July 8, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I posted this comment on one of your other threads. It may not be the "MSM lie alert splash page" you're looking for, but I continue to believe we'll make more progress coordinating efforts on a local basis. Not everyone listens to people in the MSM. In fact, I would argue that most Americans put more value in what their local newspaper or local broadcaster says.
Anyway, here's the original post:
Forget about the MSM--the 24 hour corporately-owned political gossip channels. Focus instead on changing what is communicated in local markets. Local tv stations and newspapers. Local blogging. Elections are won at a local level. Issues are won at a local level. Everyone in politics knows this and develops a communications strategy around it.
Why don't more of us do the same?
Think about all the energy spent on the futility of criticizing the MSM, and imagine how much more we could get accomplished by informing on a local basis.
When an issue comes up, there's a certain amount of pressure we put on Senators at the local level-- we speak more directly to the constituents they need to get elected.
These are the pressure points that, if pressed a hundred times more forcefully, would catalyze change far more effectively than perpetually complaining to and about the MSM, over and over again, expecting a different result.
July 8, 2008 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why not a broad internet-based MSM approach, with local arms that are run by local independent journalist organizations? Why not both?
July 8, 2008 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Local news include consumer advocates who go out there and right wrongs for consumers.
Could these news outlets be convinced to have a "debunker" who addresses smears and corrects misinformation and misinterpretations?
It would be great if they could have the snazz of The Daily Show, but possibly characterizing the debunker as a media hero could attract viewers to a weekly segment without humor or snark being needed.
July 9, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
To do this right, we might need a separate site called something like MSM WATCH. Unfortunately, once a error iisue has been published, the world of journalism and cover reporting moves so fast, that our voices and others calling attention to the truth are like a Newspaper retraction of a front page story printed on page 14. It seems to me that we would need a volunteer crew and editors assigned to watch each MSM and react as soon as a dumb thing is published. As soon as it is spotted it would go to MSMWATCH where bloggers would investigate immediately and provide contrary sources-Then complete rebuttal story goes up. We might have to accept vounteers to take four hour watches like a ship at sea. Once it worked journalists would know they couldnt ignore MSMWATCH without taking a chance on being wrong and more important their work in debunking would already be done for them. FACTCHECK.org has decent reputation we would need to build the saem from the beginning
July 8, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you have a point there, but I think there are several methods we can use at once. Getting rebuttals is only one of them. Putting constant pressure on them is another. Posting information far and wide is another. Working locally is another. In other words, I don't expect us to see immediate retractions, but in time we might make it less easy for them to continue their policies of distortion. At least we can try.
July 8, 2008 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
So true about the timing. I think journalism programs at universities are filled with students who might jump at the chance to volunteer on this or become a part of something like this. And the professors might like it (and perhaps be willing to oversee the work) because students would be honing their journalism skills in the best way. So on that note, I think independent journalism orgs might also be potential partners with ready volunteers or experienced journalists willing to edit and fact-check the work of volunteers.
July 8, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do not understand why no one has yet gotten a group together to write [or call] news sources to complain every time they neglect to report McCain's flip-flops, fabrications and/or misstates facts and figures, etc..., but have no problem taking Obama's words out of context and call him a flip-flop.
Unless we start complaining MSM will continue misleading the electorate.
If they ignore us or refuse to take a balanced approach we could take it to their advertisers and threaten to boycott.
July 8, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
At present, this entry is dead, even if it is on the recommended list. I take this as a cue that the readers at TPM have lost interest in the subject, and I won't continue to beat a dead horse over it. To everyone who contributed, I thank you. To anyone who still wants to, it's still open.
July 8, 2008 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
something along MSMWATCH lines could be co-ordinated with a local approach to news services by getting the support of several local elected representatives. During the election cycles, congressmen, state senators, mayors, etc, are in constant contact with local media. A grassroots movement (perhaps start with some members of congress who already owe the Netroots a favor or two from funding, etc) could therefore do three things-
1. Set up MSMWATCH, through campuses and volunteers. (difficult in summer)
2. Bombard local media with a daily digest of our findings.
3. Have local campaigns refer to us by name on a daily basis when in contact with local media.
Furthermore, it would be a good victory if any sympathetic local news organizations were to include a daily "MSM-BUSTING" feature - a column in the newspaper, a three minute item on the morning news. Even if it were light-hearted, the constant poking of fun at the MSM would eventually gain attention.
July 8, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is the TPM?
Or have I stumbled into the Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly room...where the MSM is also their favorite target.
Sometime, somewhere, somehow, the MSM must have really did a nasty job on this raider99 fellow.
These anti-MSM threads, with all their sinister allegations and all their studious planning for counter-attacks, quite honestly make me Laugh Out Loud.
Thanks people.
July 8, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ridicule is meaningless and lacking in anything of substance. Do you want to defend the MSM? I'd stop while you're still laughing out loud.
July 8, 2008 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
No defense of MSM, I've stated that to you before.
It is ridiculous in my opinion, what you are wasting your time on. It's unworthy of serious, thoughtful commentary because it is itself not serious and thoughtful commentary.
It's simplistic, utterly subjective nonsense, just what the MSM is so good at catering to.
And why not address my first paragraph, where there was irrefutable substance, that I'm certain you know is true.
You know full well this game you are playing is right out of the Rove handbook, was tried without success by HRC, and merely diverts the energy of serious Obama (and McCain) supporters to the useless task of setting up the MSM as the straw-man enemy, while ignoring the substantive issues of the campaign.
But, again, I enjoy it immensely.
July 8, 2008 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Glad to add to your amusement. Enjoy.
July 8, 2008 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fredrick, I can't disagree more.
If the spate of AP McCain lovefests haven't been enough to take your notice, can you see that it wasn't simply patriotism and post-9/11 anxiety that resulted in nearly every major publication and news program letting the Iraq war buildup proceed without critical comment. I'm using critical in its literary sense, in which the merits and flaws of the news stories should have received the kind of scrutiny it seems only Knight-Ridder (now McClatchy) was willing to do.
Laziness was part of it, but so was outside influence. More than one television journalist has admitted to receiving pressure from above to downplay anything negative about the Administration's plans for Iraq, and the only place that pressure could have originated was in the business interests that had a stake in the plan but also had influence in dollars over editors, producers, management, and executives.
It's not paranoia or theories about conspiracy. It's a consistent pattern that, for example, Obama's statements are deliberately misinterpreted and supporting facts omitted—making him a flip-flopper—while McCain can do 180s on major positions and he's just being that maverick guy.
Check out the Sunday programs and listen to the same talking points coming out of numerous Republicans, and they're seldom called on it. The coordinated efforts to get the right's message out there is way more effective than the thoughtful viewpoints and responses from the left in part because it's standard to accept what the right says as gospel and batter the left for even minor inconsistencies in "message."
So, fine if you think this is a silly exercise and a waste of our time. I'm not asking for your time, so you needn't bother yourself with what we do.
July 9, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would have thought that a TPM reader might be crying and not laughing if they really felt they had stumbled onto a thread that reminded them of Limbaugh and crew.
Thank you for the best possible reminder of how essential credibility and rational analysis of fact-based information are going to be in order to establish credibility, and a relationship of trust, with people of all political persuasions.
July 8, 2008 11:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Logico,
This nonsense of making the MSM the enemy is right out of the Rove/Limbaugh & Co. handbook.
For Obama supporters, it is, at best, a waste of time.
The f_____g world is crumbling and raider99 is worried about what some shmuck news celebrity says on cable TV, or an unflattering article in AP.
It's amusing, but dumb.
FB
July 8, 2008 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Flat out wrong. Rove and Limbaugh rail on the MSM as "liberal" so that they look less like the right-wing extremists than they really are. If the MSM is seen for having the right slant one might expect a CORPORATE media to have, then Limbaugh and crew will be exposed for the radical extremists they are.
These threads, on the other hand, are discussing ways to correct, with facts and evidence, any misinformation the MSM puts out.
The world is crumbling because of misinformation. MSM misinformation led us into Iraq because they could not be bothered to investigate the little WMD fact. MSM misinformation led to 60% (was it more?) of Americans thinking Saddam had something to do with 9-11. This and other misinformation is what has led to many other problems we have today.
"A popular government without popular information or the means of acquiring it, is but a prologue to a farce, or a tragedy, or perhaps both."
--James Madison
That's what Raider99 is worried about.
July 9, 2008 12:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
"A popular government without popular information or the means of acquiring it, is but a prologue to a farce, or a tragedy, or perhaps both."
Precisely why we ended up with Bush - twice.
July 9, 2008 1:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay. Go to your room now (alone, no treats) and think about all you did wrong. Let me help you out:
You were mean spirited and disrespectful.
You, of all people, know that if you have a valid argument, your point will only be given credibility if you present it with respect and a well prepared, well researched and thoughtful stance. Sarcasm and denigration is not allowed.
You can agree to disagree but not be a complete jerk about it.
I cannot express the depth of my disappointment in you. You owe raider99 an apology. The fact that you are a professional writer makes this even worse.
July 9, 2008 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just so there is no misdirection the above is for Fredrick Bernanke.
July 9, 2008 12:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well said, Aunt Sam. I'm happy to discuss any serious and polite point of view, but I think Mr. Bernanke simply wants to be denigrating. Why, I don't know. It's clear that journalism has been replaced by empty punditry and a good deal of misinformation. Perhaps Mr. Bernanke believes that the MSM has no influence on the fact that the world is falling apart. I think an uninformed or misled electorate is anathema to democracy, and our 4th estate was always meant to be the watchdogs of the three branches of government, not their willing collaborators.
What is happening now is dangerous. That's what I believe, and Mr. Bernanke is absolutely welcome to disagree.
And for me, I want to see Obama get elected, and exposing bias and inaccuracy in the media is a part of that goal, at least for me and a few others here.
July 9, 2008 1:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
He's a professional writer? (Why the careless mistake in his first post, then? "Is the TPM?")
Maybe that's why he's so sensitive about the subject. Because essentially raider99 has written a criticism of writers.
Well, I'm a professional writer, too, but I know enough to keep my ego out of what I write.
July 9, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
impatientraider99, you just posted this at 5.
I think these ideas are all first-rate and that elements of all could be combined into one comprehensive, streamlined campaign.
I love Jester's idea of a viral page (maybe a monthly viral page or anything viral). I think a viral youtube video would also be a great idea. Things like that and maybe an expose could be used to launch the program and get "brand" exposure.
So first a viral video and viral page launch on lots of sites and youtube and e-mail? And a central clearing house that covers MSM stuff that has arms that reach out to local independent journalist orgs and local journalism programs. A daily video icon that could go on national and local blogs, news sites and nonprofits that want to promote fact-based journalism and be considered trustworthy information and news providers.
Maybe the central clearinghouse heart of this organization has it's own muckraker type website as DonnaG suggested or is a remake of the Horses Mouth as Ially suggested. This central clearinghouse site as Raider's original idea proposes with the propaganda-buster incidents and write-ups and they promptly stream in from the volunteers on seniorobserver's 24 hour watch from tpmgary's local chapters.
This central site could also be the "action" site where readers could take action a la CarolBG and serena1313 pressure using tactics from Oregan activists media 101, Ripper McCord's AP plan, athelia's mass petition and encourage Donal's just say no approach.
As Jumping Jack says, maybe part of what the organization would do is have journalists who find misinformation, such as fogu2 comments, send their findings directly to the journalists who wrote the misleading articles or made misleading statements. That might motivate journalists to get jobs where they were given the resources and encouragement to produce fact-based reports.
Once a year, someone could put together an expose, a gold-standard report, to fill interested parties in on the status of MSM accuracy.
And perhaps Lux Umbra Dei will file a class action lawsuit based upon the evidence documented in the expose.
When I googled for news watchdogs, I found an advertisement watchdog group that has successfully pressured the networks to drop 50% of the ads it felt encouraged eating disorders. Interesting and worth a look at their methods:
Nationaleatingdisorders.org
More later...
July 8, 2008 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice synopsis. How do we get these things started? Do we try to work with existing sites like Media Matters and Free Press, or others, or do we try to start something from scratch with a grassroots movement soliciting help from journalism students and others who might have the time and inclination to become involved?
July 8, 2008 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Media Matters has gotten back to me by phone and is very interested in the ideas presented here. I'll let you know in a new post how my call with them tomorrow goes.
July 8, 2008 11:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent! Thanks Ripper.
July 8, 2008 11:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
No problem. Only thing is, my wife's really putting the screws to me on this divorce and it's going to soak up a shit load of my time. I can start the ball rolling, but won't have time to coordinate much further. How can I get my email address to you without making it public?
July 8, 2008 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hold on. Got an idea. Keep watching...
July 8, 2008 11:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come over to http://www.lingr.com/room/TPM-aholics
July 8, 2008 11:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think talking with successful organizations that already exist is the best approach. I would think strategy conversations with such organizations would elicit some sage advice and plenty of help if the right plan was put together.
July 8, 2008 11:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
We started this outreach by sending similar suggestions to Media Matters. At least CarolBG and I have done so. The next step might be to get the attention of some organizers of the site. If anyone knows a way to get directly to them, or to contact Josh Marshall directly, for that matter, perhaps we can start getting more direct action.
July 8, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Done that. See my reply to your comment above.
July 8, 2008 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
raider, send me your phone number to eddiestinkypants@att.net
July 8, 2008 11:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that working with MediaMatters is a great idea. They already have an organization.
TPM readers, and others, could act as 'spotters' and report to MediaMatters. Help them out with the original and facts to dispute the inaccuracies or biases of the MSM.
I never see MediaMatters ads anywhere. Maybe they should put ads on MSM sites. That would be fun, if it could be financed. Even radio ads on Limbaugh's show?? I have heard ads on Air America for conservative shows.
ProPublica.org might also be interested?? They have a section on Media and Technology and they are dedicated to independent journalism although I haven't seen them go after the MSM specifically.
There is a ColoradoMediaMatters.org. I don't know if they are associated with Media Matters but you would think so because of the name. Maybe other states could follow suit. They are open to tips also. BurntOrangeReport might be able to get something going in TX, they already do quite a lot of the same thing but all the states need to be linked so people could click on their state to see what propaganda is being put out and how to refute it.
July 9, 2008 12:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. Good thoughts. We're looking forward to discussing this with the Media Matters folks.
July 9, 2008 12:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Raider
Thanks and great post. See, things are happening and this will grow into a very positive and productive movement. You have lots of support. If we can get Josh on board and perhaps a site to list all the infractions and who to contact, I truly believe it can be huge. I've already talked to several who don't post here and even they are on board!
I'm so proud of you! And that you took your auntie's plea to heart, sigh. You always were my favorite nephew!
July 9, 2008 12:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Raider, just anther lil' note - I've chastized Freddie and sent him to his room. I just don't think he's getting enough fiber lately - he always gets like this when he's, well, you know - a bit backed up.
But, he's really a good boy and I'm sure he'll step up and do the right thing.
July 9, 2008 1:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are definitely my new favorite aunt. Thanks.
July 9, 2008 1:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just a few idle thoughts.
My litigation option was to follow unsuccessful regulation attempts.
But if time is of the essence, one could proceed with a class lawsuit against a test network, say Murdoch's outfit, using some kind of implied warranty theory combined with the original legislative intent in granting the networks their airwaves. That effort would fail, I can tell you. It is next to impossible to prove reckless disregard for the truth so I'm told, but that's not really the point. The point is that the suit would in itself be newsworthy and make it into the 24 hours news cycle.
Now I have never looked closely at the start or end of any of the news broadcasts, but if they do not put some kind of small print language such as "_________makes no warranty implied or expressed as to the reliability, truthfulness or impartiality of any content herein broadcast", then maybe the courts should force them to.
July 9, 2008 1:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Certainly taking on Murdoch would be close to impossible, and I think if Fox could have been attacked this way by now, they probably would have been. I certainly think they should have the "news" part of their name stripped for violations of integrity, but as you say, that's probably not something easy to do, short of some new legislation, which I would favor if Obama gets elected and the Congress is solidly Dem.
But if we keep these ideas coming, and we find ways to take action, partner with people of all kinds, perhaps we can make a dent, and if we stop a few people from being fooled into miscasting their votes in November, then we've accomplished something.
July 9, 2008 1:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Word of mouth.
I haven't made much of a dent in my Republican family's armor, but I've gotten a whole lot of my coworkers fired up.
People at my local deli pay more attention to Obama. My neighbors, even. They see the bumper sticker, they ask questions. I always smile and answer, just happy that they're asking.
My Republican older sister's kids are Liberal. I encourage it, quietly.
I think people are more aware, this year, than they have been in a long time, about the elections come November.
The MSM only wants to drag out a fight of their own creation. Keep the numbers up.
People aren't so stupid, anymore, as to follow with their heads down.
That's my hope, anyway, and my sense from talking to every day people.
NO one likes to be called a 'sheeple' after all.
July 9, 2008 2:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
They have a phone? Wow. Even Google doesn't have any phones (which my friend discovered when trying to correct a Website she established through them).
Good work.
July 9, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
This attached to the wrong post.
July 9, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
This isn't such an idle idea.
This is just the kind of thing that would get publicity because of its Quixotic nature. It would be the little guys taking on the big ol' Murdoch windmill with a broomstick. Until it got thrown out by a Bush-appointed judge, the reason for the case—Fox News deliberately misinforming the American public*—might get some people talking and even gain traction.
*I'm seeing this as a public policy issue.
July 9, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps a 'test case'. Identify one blatant distortion or example of 'dis'reporting and all of us communicate with the source (writer, employer, etc.) en masse (faxes, e-mails, et al.) and inundate with respectful, factual notices of their 'error'. And send to their competitors copy of communiques also. (With copies e mailed or faxed to web page on Obama's site.)
Just a thought.
Put them on notice, so to speak.
Note: Because we are 'scattered' all over, I believe this will have more impact than coming from just one locale.
July 9, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Raider, This is off recent list already. Please, keep it going, post another - as you can see it works. This is too important. People do care and want this continued!
July 9, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Still on my list. Ripper is having a conversation, hopefully, with someone from Media Matters today. After that, he's going to ask them to contact me for follow-up. He and I talked last night, and it seems that they have read these posts - which he sent them links for - and think we have some good ideas. They are interested. Now, if we can work with them, perhaps we can get some results from a group that already has their feet on the ground.
So, based on how that goes, I'll certainly post again. Thanks for the support, as always.
July 9, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Another idea. I used to try to write comments or letters to the editor or email to the TV/Radio Station/talking head on every item that Colorado Media Matters put up. It got too overwhelming & I have slacked off.
However, if we could get a whole army of volunteers to cover certain days or even specific media or issues, we could, perhaps, keep up the pressure without the burnout of trying to do everything... and make a lot more impact by having a group of people target each and every item.
Right now I think that it is catch as catch can as to how many responses get sent out. People pick the items that they are most offended by and respond to those or they get burned out, like me, and hope that others will take up the slak. We could organize better than that!
It needs to be much more than an online effort. Otherwise we are mostly talking to the choir. We need more effort in newspapers, radio and even appearances on local TV news shows.
Just think about the anti-war movement... there have been a lot of marches, some quite large, but if you were not activly searching for news online, you would never have known about them because the MSM refused to show them and if they did show them it was about 10 seconds and a tight shot that didn't show the full extent of the march or protest.
Volunteers could even have a list of others that they could contact if they were ill or otherwise unavailable to cover the items that they had committed to cover.
We could also use some training on how to respond to different items in order to get the best response. Not anything too rigid, mostly just known words or phrases that turn off the listening/reading audience.
How do you really engage people to listen to you when you criticize the MSM, or local media, get your point across about the inaccuracy of the media but do it with respect for the listening/reading public?
For one thing, I think that we should stay away from the word 'bias' in the media. A great portion of people in the country have been brainwashed to think that the media is 'liberal' so the word 'bias' may cause a backlash. There has to be a new way to approach the Bush/McCain positive bias of the MSM.
There are literally hundreds of 'liberal' blogs out there (and I use the word 'liberal' proudly! We need to take back the word and define it properly. No more letting the GOP define us!) but we need to organize where we can, get together to make a much larger impact!
I would even like to see a website that liberal blogs could be congregated on. Set up with topics/issues so that you could go to one place to access any liberal blog that was talking about an issue that you are interested in. Then you could see what blogs were saying all over the country, or world since there are so many Americans living abroad, about one issue.
The neo-cons have gotten ahead of us over the last 30 years by organizing. We need to make up for lost time. One example, I believe, is Center for American Progress. They do great work but I would bet that the 'middle of the road voter' has never heard of them. Even c-span rarely has them on. C-span seems to think that Heritage and AEI are actually non-partisan!
We need to take advantage of the few 'liberal' think-tanks that we have and promote them whenever possible. This can't be just about bloggers, it has to be about a total message including as many outlets as possible.
OK, so maybe I got a little carried away.
July 9, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think you got carried away, and what you say makes sense. One of my goals is to make current issues immediately accessible to anyone who wants to comment, along with the resources needed to reach people in charge and advertisers who support the programming. By making it very much a one-stop location, I hope that busy people would still have time to express their frustration or outrage, or to set the record straight. My idea, anyway, is to make it sort of (and I hate to say it this way) the fast foods of media response.
I've come up with a name for it, at least for fun:
Sudden Citizens' Action Against Media Distortion, or SCAAMD for short. Of course, we can probably do better. :)
July 9, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awesome! Love the catchy acronym.
Did you catch Greg's post on TPM-EC about Brock's Progressive Media group? Maybe there's potential for some coordination with the work that they're doing. I'll check them out.
July 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I haven't seen that post. Thanks for the alert.
July 9, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a joint project of the Center for American Progress Action Fund (CAPAF) and Media Matters Action Network (MMAN). Its function seems to be primarily to gather information and display it there on their website. But, the CAPAF does have a blog, the Wonk Room: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/17/wonk-room-intro/
Maybe, we could get some action-oriented going there.
July 9, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting. Not quite what we're doing, but all these efforts will add up. It's starting to become a project, which is good, but also challenging because I'm supposed to be working on two book projects right now, and though they are both in relatively slow stages, they will get far busier before long.
Oh well.I can sleep less.
No. Wait a minute. I already do.
July 9, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm glad Ripper's had success. I've tried writing directly to the "journalists" like Jumpy Jack has, and I have received some pretty defensive and sometimes kind of nasty responses. But I didn't involve editors or department heads, which is, of course, the smarter way to go about it. There's nothing that compels the journalists to pass our comments along.
Regarding Media Matters, is it possible to draw on their reports and disseminate them as support in the "viral" emailing? If we were to credit them properly, would that be violating copyright?
I've sent many stories out to my political mailing list (mostly composed of people friendly to the message but not aware of the issues) that I credit to Media Matters but frame myself.
Or perhaps a group of us needs to establish a Website devoted to debunking and correcting (I don't think what you're proposing is actually muckraking)? Do we take up a collection and direct donations into a PayPal account designated for supporting the Website?
Once the Website had been established, an email list can develop from our own email lists. I don't think I'm the only one here who sends out political stuff to people I know. The list can grow by asking people to forward our emails if they think they're valuable to people on their lists. We can make it easy for people to register at the site to receive updates, the way Media Matters does. I think that this would be a better way to get the information out than relying on the viral method, but maybe you and others think that the two methods can work together.
It would take a commitment from a core of people who would stock the site with MSM smears and errors copied from the sources and the corrections. That core would also be responsible for ensuring accuracy in what the site presented as the real story. Then the emails would have to be constructed and sent out. This would require more than one person to have administration functions, unless there's one soul out there who's willing to take it on alone. (We're an anarchic syndicalist collective who take it in turns to chair meetings ...)
I agree that there needs to be an ongoing method of calling the MSM's bias and outright laziness to account, and it can be done. I am clear on the concept I'm envisioning, but I don't have the technical knowledge even too start it. It's not that we'd have to invent something new; there are models out there to follow.
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July 9, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Facilitatrix,
These are good thoughts. Right now, I'm hoping that Media Matters (or someone who already is gathering the information we need) is interested in creating an instant action sort of "today" page that requires no hunting and searching, but that presents the most pressing issues of the day and gives people the resources to respond.
The responses would come from each individual person, which is, from what I've read, far more effective than bulk messages forwarded by a group, like MoveOn. Not saying that's a bad thing, but a lot of not-necessarily connected individuals coming out against media distortion will probably look less like an organization than a real sampling of opinion and public pressure.
If we can't get an existing site to adopt our ideas and perhaps work with us as consultants in developing an action plan, then the next step would be to try to create a volunteer group - or seek funding - to create a web presence such as the one you've suggested.
This thread is due to disappear soon, but if we have any momentum going, I'll keep the idea going.
Maybe some day Josh Marshall will notice what we're doing here and offer some help.
July 9, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I've bookmarked this URL, and if I have your permission, I'd like to go to the site you directed Ripper to go to. I don't have technical expertise, but I'm at my own computer a lot during the day, since I work at home.
And I write and type fast.
July 9, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
You certainly don't need my permission to do whatever you think will help us get Obama elected, and hopefully reform our broken media. Thanks for your passion and commitment .
July 9, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, I think I've read just about every comment in the thread, but I didn't see Fair.org mentioned. Just went to their website and they have an "Action Alert Network", so I joined. I'll let you know how that works out.
I think your SCAAMD org is a great idea. How about setting it up with links to all the other sites concerned with the fourth estate's abdication of its responsibilites?
For my part, I will undertake to monitor my local newspaper ("Bakersfield Californian"), do fact-checking on stories concerning the election, and let them know when I think they've published erroneous information or completely missed stories that were newsworthy.
Of course, all this focus on having the MSM get stories correct and publish stories that merit telling presumes an electorate that: 1) actually pays attention to the news, 2) is capable of thinking critically about the implications of that news, and 3) is willing to make the efforts required to act on those implications. Sadly, there is not a lot of faith in Americans' having those characteristics ("Dark Ages America", "Just How Stupid Are We?", "The Dumbest Generation").
I'm willing, though, to make my puny existential effort and hope that my and others' concern is able to work a change in what information we get and how we get it.
July 9, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for bringing up Fair.com. I admit I never did much research on this. I figured people here would have lots of good ideas and resources, and I was right.
Please do let us know how it works out with Fair.com. If they are doing a great job of this, then we can send people to them.
I hope to move forward with this project, one way or another. I'm sure I'll have more to report within the next few days.
July 9, 2008 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
www.fair.org
Looks like they're doing just the sort of thing we've been talking about. Here's what they describe as the work that they do under "Activism":
Maybe the most effective thing that we could be doing would be to promote their work through our participation here, if they are known to be particularly effective at what they do.
July 10, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
And to join and participate in their network, of course! :)
July 10, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent, Carol. I will check it out myself and sign up for their email list. Once I understand how it works, I can post about it as a follow-up to this thread. Good find.
July 10, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Weelll...it was Propax's find. But, it looks pretty good to me. I'm going to sign up as well. We should report here about what's going on there and see how productive it appears to be. Generate some noise, increase the participation, see what we can do to maximize its impact.
July 10, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Definitely!
July 10, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
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