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Obama, I knew Dan Quayle, and you're no Dan Quayle!
Dan Quayle served two terms in the House, and was in his second term in
the Senate when he was nominated to be Vice President. The press
immediately declared he was too young and inexperienced for such an
important job (a job that even Al Gore was able to handle!) The press
had a field day every time Quayle made the smallest mistake, like when
he said he had visited 57 of the 60 states, or the time when he
acknowledged the fallen heroes that he saw in the audience for his
memorial day speech. Oh, wait! No, it was Obama
who made those gaffes. Obama, the man who has a grand total of three
years of experience yet is declared by the media to be a 'rock star' of
politics. Quayle was ridiculed for not correcting a spelling mistake
made by someone else. There is no indication that he didn't know how
many states are in the union or that a fallen hero is a dead one, but
he was made a laughing stock while Obama
is lauded as an eloquent speaker and a 'brilliant' politician. This
would be yet another example of the bias of the media that liberals
constantly refuse to admit exists, like Katie Couric crying on election night, to those that wore black the next day, to the insults CNN put in the crawler, to calling the president a monkey on CNBC. These examples don't even include the more important bias of slanting the coverage, trying to set the agenda and frame the debate around the liberal point of view, or the use of symbolism to change perception. My question, has anyone considered the Red State/ Blue State issue? During the 80's, the political maps always showed the Republicans as Blue, and the Democrats as Red. Suddenly this changed, and the change was adopted consistently by all media sources. Was this because Democrats objected to the imagery of their supporters being labeled 'red', given their long flirtation with socialism/communism?





Comments (45)
Aww, poor republican is upset. Will a no-bid contract make you feel better? maybe we can torture someone for you in the name of democracy??
July 4, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, Diego, for dealing with that dork.
July 4, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
All politicians say stupid things from time to time. I'd dare say that McCain says more stupid things in a week than Obama does in a month (he frequently confuses Shia and Sunni), but still, Obama does say stupid things sometimes.
What made Quayle unique was frequency. My college newspaper (The Technique) had a weekly column of stupid things Quayle had said that week. The column ran every week with new hilarious material. (Hilarious, as long as you never thought too hard about the possibility of Bush dying or otherwise leaving office.) You're right that Obama is no Dan Quayle. Hell, even McCain is no Dan Quayle. Bush came mighty close.
July 4, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
The so-caled confusion of Shia-Sunni is another example of media distortion. It is almost a certainty that Iran does support insurgents (sunni and AlQuaeda) along with Shia militias. They supported the Taliban after we invaded Afghanistan, and provided aid to Osama. So McCain was not wrong when he claimed Iran was supporting AlQuaeda. BTW, it is interesting to note that an earlier interview question to Obama, in which he described AlQuaeda as consisting of both Sunni and Shia (totally wrong) has been largely ignored.
July 4, 2008 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
He corrected himself, in mid-speech, after Lieberman whispered in his ear.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/mccain-misspeaks-on-iran-al-qaeda/
Do you have a link to your claim about Obama getting it wrong?
July 4, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'll try to find one, if you find it let me know. I know Joe 'corrected' him, but I maintain that he was not wrong anyway. Did you have any thoughts on the red/blue symbolism? Or the media bias?
July 4, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6GBdyws5YU.
It's pretty obvious that McCain didn't say that Iran was supporting Al Qaeda because he'd know that to be true, but because he either misspoke (i.e. had a "senior moment") or because he didn't really know the subject he was talking about. I find the latter more likely, because the way he corrected himself doesn't give an impression of a deep knowledge, but rather like he was just saying some prepared remarks. So even if he did say something that was true, it was a pure lucky guess.
He repeated this same mistake several times, and I think it's really sad to see how little he actually knows about his flagship issue. If you read ANYTHING about Iraq or the Muslims, the first thing you learn is about the Sunni-Shia divide, and the next is that Iran is Shi'ite, Al Qaeda is Sunni and Iraq is some of both. That's REALLY the most basic knowledge of the subject, like 1+1 in maths. He claims to be an expert on Iraq, so making mistakes about such basic stuff is frightening! Imagine how little he must then know about other issues, where he does not claim to be an expert or even admits he's weak (e.g. the economy).
July 4, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're speaking like one o' dem fur'ners…
July 4, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, the red/blue switch always confused me. As interesting as your interpretation is, it sounds like pure supposition. (It's believable, except that I'd expect there to be some evidence of any pressure. OTOH, I'd also expect there to be some evidence of whatever decision process went on. I'm not aware of any, but it's probably out there. I'm completely ignorant about this.)
The media bias is mainly in favor of advertising dollars. The big wigs decide which stories to run based on whatever will draw the most eyes and/or dollars. Recently that has favored McCain, as it makes the horse race closer. In the past it has favored Bush at times and been anti-Bush at times. There have been times when the bias was pro-Clinton, and when the bias was anti-Clinton. Selective perception suggests that you're more likely to remember the instances of liberal bias, and I'm more likely to remember the instances of conservative bias. That said, it's probably true that the most reputable anchors lean Democratic. As Colbert has said, reality has a well-known liberal bias. ;)
You will find this "bias" (if one can call a tendency to be better informed a bias) in academia even more so. Examining exit polls reveals that Democrats tend to get most of their voters from both the least educated and most educated people—thus proving the old adage: a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
July 4, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope your line of arguments improve as the GE continues. Dan Quayle is an A-list moron by all accounts. He is not someone the republicans should be parading as an example of superior choice, especially after the last 8 years.
July 4, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
You post implies that Obama has referred to himself as Dan Quayle, why is that? You then go on to talk about media bias in favor of Obama while not mentioning the media bias in favor of McCain, why is that? Then you skip over to red and blue representations for the Democratic party and Republican party on television, why is that?
What, exactly, is the point of your blog? Is it your apparent love of Quayle, disdain for media bias, or your mystification over colors?
July 4, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
The point was media bias, the colors were illustrative of the cooperative media working with the democrats, and the Quayle comparisons were to show how the media attacks candidates they don't like and give a pass to those they do.
July 4, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lets take it one at a time.
If Quayle was such a well-qualified person why have Conservatives not recognized him as a leader? Why has there been no "Draft Quayle" movement on the Right? Don't even bother trotting out the media bias argument on that question unless you address why Quayle would have been a better candidate for President than Bob Dole, George W. Bush, and John McCain. If Quayle is such a great guy why don't the Conservatives vote for him?
July 4, 2008 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bullshit. You never knew Quaylee.
If you did, you would know how he spells his own name.
July 4, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
It took me a while to get this… (at least 10 seconds or so)
July 4, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, the Dennis Miller ratio.
July 4, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Verye Funnye!
Actually, I did not know him, but I know the person who was his military aide, who thought he was a nice guy. I just thought it made a clever title to my piece on media bias.
July 4, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
i was righte to calle bullshite, wasn't i?
July 4, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think we're somewhere between making fun of Quayle's spelling of potatoe and MassDem's notorious posting of the Chaucer glossary.
Be careful! ;)
July 4, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Quaylee's"
July 4, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
You do realize it was a play on Benson's "you're no jfk" Right?
July 5, 2008 8:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Quote: "During the 80's, the political maps always showed the Republicans as Blue, and the Democrats as Red. Suddenly this changed, and the change was adopted consistently by all media sources."
Here's what I've heard about the red-blue distinction: When the networks first started using the red/blue distinction as an election night visual aid, neither party was associated with a particular color, and the networks switched back and forth; all that mattered was that which way the individual states voted be readily distinguished. So yes, in at least one election, Democratic states were colored in red, and the Republican states blue. Once the colors became fixed, however, it was Democrats blue and Republicans red. I've heard nothing -- except in this thread -- to suggest that the Dems were ever fixed as red but that they whined and were switched to blue.
But it's probably conventional "wisdom" (and I use that term ill-advisedly) on Fox Noise.
July 4, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think the CW is just from FN, but it does appear to be wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states#Origins_of_current_color_scheme
July 4, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ben, see comment below regarding the wikipedia explanation. It is clearly not accurate, as a quick search for campaign signs proved.
July 4, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, for the signs, but follow the references for the rest of it. It wasn't codified until 2000 and not for the reasons you were guessing at.
July 4, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I read the wikipedia story, notice how the red/blue colors are said to be opposite of the way the rest of the world uses colors, with red representing labor/socialist/communist and blue for conservative/tory/rightwing. This matches how they were used here. The excuse about the yard signs is patently false as my photo proved. I remember a study that was done that indicated blue was the color people preferred most, so I stand by my theory that the colors changed opposite their typical usage either because of wanting to avoid the 'red' label or because of the preference to blue, either way, it is not plausible that everyone switched at the same time with no collusion.
July 4, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
So the fact that, internationally, blue is typically used for conservative movements, and red of course for communist, is your idea of "evidence" for the fact it must once have been used that way here as well, never mind the actual evidence that it was never used that way here?!
As thinking goes, this seems very fundamentalist-like. Where do you stand on "intelligent design"?
July 4, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Regarding intelligent design, I believe that I and other Republicans were created in the image of God, and I accept your belief that you Democrats evolved from monkeys.
July 4, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quote: "I accept your belief that you Democrats evolved from monkeys"
And I accept that this is your way of sending the coded message: "I confess! I make stuff up and try to peddle it as true! Save me before I start shouting brainlessly about terrorist fist jabs!"
July 4, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pet peeve: we evolved from (and still are) apes, not monkeys. Monkeys and apes evolved from a common ancestor.
The "scientific" (or "Darwinistic", if you prefer) version of your retort is: Those who believe in evolution have evolved from apes. Those who don't, haven't.
Very similar statements, but very different implications.
July 4, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also very clever. BTW, regarding stupid things said and media bias, do you believe if McCain had referred to someone as a 'typical black person' or called a reporter 'sweetie' the press would have let it go?
July 4, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Typical black person", no.
"Sweetie", yes.
There's a huge difference in this country between black and white. There's a reason why NAACP is OK, and NAAWP is not. If you don't get it, I probably can't explain it, but I'll try, if you want me to.
July 4, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quote: "it is not plausible that everyone switched at the same time with no collusion"
You continue to ignore the fact that, before 2000, there was NO consistency as to how red and blue were used to depict electoral outcomes.
Yep, you're a Republican, all right!
July 4, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
From wikipedia:
"Prior to the 2000 presidential election, there was no universally recognized color scheme to represent political parties in the United States. The practice of using colors to represent parties on electoral maps dates back at least as far as the 1950s, when such a format was employed within the Hammond series of historical atlases.[citation needed] Color-based schemes became more widespread with the adoption of color television in the 1960s and nearly ubiquitous with the advent of color in newspapers. A three-color scheme - red, white and blue, the colors of the U.S. flag -- makes sense, and the third color, white, is useful in depicting maps showing states that are "undecided" in the polls and in election-night television coverage.
Early on, some channels used a scheme of red for Democrats and blue for Republicans. This was the color scheme employed by NBC—David Brinkley famously referred to the 1980 map showing Reagan's 44-state landslide as a "sea of blue"[4]. CBS from 1984-present, however, used the opposite scheme—blue for Democrats, red for Republicans[5][6][7]. ABC used yellow for one major party and blue for the other in 1976. However, in 1980 and 1984, ABC used red=Republican and blue=Democrat[8][9]. As late as 1996, there was still no universal association of one color with one party.[10] If anything, by 1996, color schemes were relatively mixed, as CNN, CBS, ABC, and the New York Times referred to Democratic states with the color blue and Republican ones as red, while Time Magazine and the Washington Post used an opposite scheme.[11][12][13]
But in 2000, for the first time, all major electronic media outlets used the same colors for each party, most likely as a result of the official colors for the presidential candidates, with Gore's campaign using blue lawn signs and imagery and Bush's using red. Partly as a result of this near-universal color-coding, the terms Red States and Blue States entered popular usage in the weeks following the 2000 presidential election. ..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states
July 4, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Except for the fact that it's not accurate about the lawn signs. I had a Bush/Cheney lawn sign, and it was not red, it was blue.
July 4, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://news.mywebpal.com/partners/573/images/news/hc.sign003.jpg
is a link to a vandalized Bush sign, showing it is clearly Blue.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/072704_bush_headquarters.shtml
the above link from 2004 shows that the Bush campaign used blue for the states they were in the lead, red for Kerry.
So as usual, Wikipedia is just not accurate.
July 4, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh someone already found it.
Re the CW: no doubt there are other purveyors of rightwing claptrap that subscribe to the same CW. Let's ask Bob Schieffer. He might be shocked to learn the Dems didn't whine to have their color changed.
"Really!" he might exclaim, on the verge of swooning.
July 4, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would you like some cheese with that whine?
July 4, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great line!
July 4, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wonder how much Faux News demanded as payment to 'go along' with the 'liberal agenda', and if anyone has told O'rielly yet.
Oh dear, oh dear. What ever will Murdock do when he finds out. Why, he might have to fire Hume!
Gee, you GOP trolls sure are fun. Hey, have you heard? There will be a black man in the White House come January! And I don't mean polishing the silver while being watched in case he takes a fork..
July 4, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's because Quayle really was a fool, and Barack Obama isn't--that's why people treated him differently. It's not some kind of double standard. There's no way in hell Quayle could have made it to the Veep's office under his own steam, as Barack Obama has done.
July 4, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
CleverBulldog;
I like the fact that Senator Obama is no Dan Quayle. Thank you for pointing that out. Do you have one of those collector item, Dan Quayle's Mr. Potatoe Head kits?
July 4, 2008 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe you're incorrect - the student spelled "potato" correctly and Dan Quayle "corrected" it by placing an "e" at the end.
July 4, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not exactly. He was working from a set of cards to give kids words to spell. The card had the word misspelled on it, and Quayle went with the spelling on the card. I would not be surprised if the whole thing was a set up.
July 4, 2008 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Poor Dan Quayle; he was born with a Silver Potatoe in his mouth.
July 5, 2008 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
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