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It's Safe to Come Out Now, Billy's Gone
OK, you kind people, you can now come back out of your holes. It's safe, at least for now. Billy Glad's post has rotated off the recommend list and the testosterone levels on the site are dropping to normal levels. If you smell the faint odor of urine, it will soon fade away. Open the windows and air out the place. But beware, like the Wicked Witch of the East, he has equally wicked siblings all over Oz.
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Comments (134)
It's too bad - when I first came around here (back during the primaries in the Spring) Billy was arrogant but interesting and much more willing to engage in discussion. Now he seems to be bent on verbally destroying anyone who disagrees with him.
July 24, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
July 24, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Oz references in this post are intriguing, but this one is a bit hard for me to decypher.
July 24, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, folks. I hate to write another comment on a thread that I would much rather have no connection to at all, but since well-intentioned people are still wandering in and being deceived, I feel compelled to post a clear warning right up here at the front.
This is not a post attacking Billy. So please don't waste your energy writing in to attack or defend him. The post is largely a mind game being played by a person with multiple avatars, who is not especially hostile to Billy. Several of those avatars comment on this thread, taking apparently opposite points of view. I know that's not something to say lightly; I've done my research.
Please don't look at the high number of recs, and conclude that the Cafe is full of mean-spirited people. The recs may be from distinct addresses or machines, but I doubt many of them are from distinct individuals. That's all I have to say.
July 25, 2008 12:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
no shit! I'm trying to see if I can believe this already! I am surprised, but I don't usually assume the devious ...
well, maybe we can still use the space for a worthwhile purpose anyway ... strange ... so many new games being created all the time! wowzie! I can hardly keep up, and that's only with the stuff that comes to my attention! hahahaha!
July 25, 2008 12:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was mean-spirited enough to give this a rec'd.
Because I like the idea of discussing what B Glad's presence (and his typically 'outstandingly turgid' presents) have meant to many or some of us who have encountered him either on his blogs or in his comments on others' blog posts.
Esply with the opportunity to do so without the inevitable toxic blasts issuing so gratuitously and profusely when done so 'to his face.'
This affords a chance to engage on this topic without having our clothes adversely affected by any of those unmistakable atmospheric odors etc ...
July 25, 2008 1:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
I will not read another post by Mr. Glad unless it is a sincere apology. I have much better things to do than to participate further in such pointless ego stroking. I recommend that he stroke something else to relieve the tension.
July 24, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't hold your breathe. Oz never apologizes.
July 24, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Raider:
Isn't that the thing to do? If you don't like some one's style, views, demeanor, or whatever, then you choose not to correspond with him or her. I think you're spot on.
Bruce
July 25, 2008 7:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jeezzz, what's the problem? If you don't like his posts don't reply and don't recommend. Its really pretty simple to skip over anyone's post. See the name there right below the title immediately after the word "by?" If you don't want to read posts by that named person don't click on the title above it.
The funniest thing about all this pissing and moaning on multiple threads about Billy is that his threads usually get numerous responses and recommends. Obviously more people find his posts more valuable to read, reply to, and recommend than many others here.
July 24, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jeeezzz, what's the problem? If you don't like this post, why did YOU reply/comment? Because you had a view you wanted to express, maybe? Well, no one who disagrees with Billy can do that around him anymore, unless they wish to be flamed in an exceptionally cruel manner.
July 24, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't say his posts are valuable to read. But people slow down to look at car crashes, too. Doesn't mean they should, or that it's good for them.
July 24, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
You must've read an awful lot of BG's posts, or you wouldn't feel qualified to comment, would you? And if they were all so bad, what were you doing there? So lessee.... my guess is you're the local reporter the editor only trusts to handle car crashes, cats up trees & the annual oxen pull? Or maybe a hotshot lawyer, your trusty CB tuned to local ambulance calls?
It's ok lil dude. At first I thought your post was meant to piss on both parties. Fair enough, I figured. But then you added that you resent him "using a political blog to crank his wank," etc. I can see now why you're upset that BG's got too much testosterone. Don't worry though - they got pills for that now. Even for little people. And you just made yourself pretty small.
July 24, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm disappointed in you Quinn. Thought you were smarter, but I see you are one of Billy's disciples after all. Just trying to see who is who and what is what. Surprised at how many people on the "progressive" site are actually phonies.
July 24, 2008 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I'm disappointed in me too. Still though, hard to call me a disciple if you've paid attention. I agree with BG maybe 3 in 10. I learn something new about 1 in 10. Which is a bum ratio. But I half blame it on his readers. Some of 'em just seem to come on to shout & wave their arms. So they get shot, spit on & insulted. That level of "debate" kinda keeps the smart/stupid ratio down. So when his stuff sucks, don't come on. Simple. When he offers better, comment. We all learn more that way.
Make no mistake though, Hoag. I may be "old & ugly," but I'm still plenty smart. Nothing personal. I just think a 1st post that kicks someone in the nads, by name, ain't too classy. No hard feelings. I have no doubt you're smart & energetic & will do better. Meantime, you might wanna widen the debate a bit here - you know, beyond insulting an absent person. Maybe ask people how they could be a bit smarter in what they do. That whole framing thing. Just a suggestion. Your call.
July 24, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
When I posted something thoughtful, right or wrong, he simply told me "You flunked" and called me a name and that was it. Now, I could take the invective if he even had the balls to answer what I had offered.
He keeps saying he is just trying to have a dialog, but he doesn't. He just wants to argue and demean others. I don't mind that people enjoy the show. That's entirely their right. But I will not read another of his posts, as I said above, unless it's an apology.
I think you know I'm all for dissent and discussion. I would never want to ask anyone not to express themselves honestly. This last exchange from BG was not honest, it was utterly crass and destructive, apparently from someone whose ego is out of control and who enjoys hurting people.
Not my style. But defend him if you must. Again, I know he's entertaining, but he isn't brave enough to deal with a real debate. And I'm saying this here, knowing full well that he will see it. I said as much in his thread, too, so don't accuse me of attacking him behind his back. I'm more than willing to say it to his face - in person - if he has the balls to meet me.
July 24, 2008 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't really see Quinn defending anyone and I don't think I am either. It appears to me some people are calling out some of his attackers for what I see as a bullshit topic for a thread and some bullshit attacks. Note I said some, not all or everyone.
July 24, 2008 11:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fair enough.
July 25, 2008 12:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Raider. Yeah, I saw it yesterday. But you were doing fine on your own. And you got no problems standing up for yourself when BG gets harsh. So I wasn't referencing you in my shots at Hoagie here. I started writing polite hints to Hoagie here downthread a way, but as a batch of new folks - all of whom seemed to hate Billy, but not to have shown up much to brawl with him - started in with the kicking a guy in a post where he's named, but not even there, I kinda thought that wasn't ok.
Esp. after yesterday's long smash-up derby on the importance of "not mobbing" someone. This post here not only got into a mob-fest downthread, it was mobbing the absent. Not on. Hoagie here is now down to calling me old & ugly (likely true), a disciple of BG's (not so much), a phoney & not progressive (a comment only a fucktard would make.)
So.... I kinda decided to do what you're doing with Billy. Standing up & saying I really don't think it's on. Sorry if flapping my mouth off in a comment up here came off as being aimed at you. It wasn't. And yeah, for what it's worth, I think that while some people who attack Billy deserve what they get, he should have responded to you different. But you two are definitely big enough to sort that. This post though - as bslev and some others say downthread, kinda turned into a disgrace. Talk to ya later Raider, and good luck on your campaign.
July 25, 2008 12:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the clarification. I really don't hate BG. I just really prefer dialog that has a constructive purpose. I don't even mind people saying the occasional insult, especially if it's funny. But I guess I also value humility and open-mindedness quite a bit. I do appreciate most of the people here at TPM, even if I don't always agree. It would be boring to agree all the time, anyway, so I guess I should say that I appreciate people because I sometimes disagree and sometimes agree.
Anyway, it's late and I'm blathering.
July 25, 2008 1:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
raider, your 'blathering' sounds very healthy to me! I share most of your feelings about how well-intentioned people can react after genuine attempts at discussion with B Glad ... ultimately not worth it and way too yucko an experience anyway!
screw you, 'only to his face' enforcers ... you schmucks!
hahaha
no, it's not really that much fun for me even when I try it ...
golly, maybe if I kept on practicing I could learn to enjoy it ... like smoking or something ...
July 25, 2008 2:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
quinn, esq:
I was mistaken about your perceptions, but that's my fault. Right now you seem incredibly dense, with a long way to go before catching up.
I'm afraid I see too much about just what influences you, and really I don't like it. You seem to be getting jerked around by the slickest jerks. I'm almost amazed.
July 25, 2008 2:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hiya WRE. You have every right to think what you like, say what you like, go & do whatever you like. Got it? All I know is, the discussion yesterday spent a lot of time on how "mobbing" was not unacceptable even when the person's THERE. My understanding of how TPM works is you don't post - i.e. publish - stuff that NAMES other people in the post itself. Or if you do, you don't haul them out for a flogging. If they're sour in comments on a thread, you take them on. If they cross the lines of what's acceptable, the site administrator sorts that.
Maybe I just don't like people being accused of stuff they didn't do. And you know what? Even if BG was someone I never agreed with, and was sour as hell 24/7, I don't think I'd cotton to this stuff today. Say what you like about that. Doesn't matter to me - whether it's in the streets of real life, in writing, or even in a play. I fight hard, face to face. I'm happy that way. What I'm not happy to do is fight as 1 of 10, but the other person isn't even there. Hopefully I'd do it for you if they set up a "Isn't WRE a complete asshole!" site. What would you call me then? An acolyte, and control freak? So, yeah, call me whatever you like. Do whatever you like. But sorry, I ain't movin'. Not for anyone, actually. So have a nice day, and I hope that tomorrow we can have a much more productive and fruitful discussion. And civil is fine with me too.
July 25, 2008 2:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
prunes might help
July 25, 2008 3:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
excuse me! I didn't realize this is another men's room ...
July 24, 2008 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
big guy stares down little guy
or is that, guy tries to make other guy smaller, shorter, invalid, impotent, unworthy, ridiculous, intimidated?
you boys are so boyish when you try to do that!
so primeval, dude!
July 25, 2008 3:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
There are people here that I don't like. I don't feel a need to start a thread announcing it. Billy posts on a topic and says things you don't like. This post is on a person you don't like. Spiced with insults about piss. What's next, pooppy insults?
Its oh so nice to let people know that Billy's thread is gone and they can come back. But the easily demonstrable fact is that most people didn't go anywhere. They took part in Billy's thread. My guess is that some are more upset by billy generating large amounts of discussion and getting lots of recommends than about what he writes.
July 24, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I one-hundred-percent agree with you that it would be inappropriate to start a thread to attack a specific person.
But honestly, I'm not sure that's what we have here. The tone of the original posting seems double-edged. Until someone decyphers it for me, I'm going to reserve judgment.
July 24, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Billy is not a person--he is the Great and Wonderful Oz!
July 24, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's the "wizard?"
July 24, 2008 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Intriguing, but opaque. He's both Oz and the Witch of the East? Oh well. I'm happy to let it remain a cypher. As long as everyone else who comments here realizes that they're entering a hall of mirrors.
July 24, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, I only compared him to the Wicked Witch of the East. Oz had many enablers. They were as deceptive and evil as he was. I'd like to welcome you to Munchkin Land. The little people are the good ones.
July 24, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
By the way, folks, sorry about the typos. I don't normally use the archaic spelling of "decipher."
July 24, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Say it to the guy's face or don't say it. No one likes a coward.
July 24, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you representing the Lollipop Guild?
July 24, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
it's so hard trying to keep up with every contributor's own idiosyncratic set of rules ... let's try harder to give peops we don't agree with some space, okay?
I actually believe that if we all sincerely tried to follow the few simple but wise guidelines that Josh has provided for us here, we would be on the right track and also getting more out of this space altogether!
I myself don't really enjoy B Glad's 'excessive brutishness and bullying' either! but I am now trying to read some (if not a lot) of his stuff for the perspectives he's offering. I just wish he didn't come off as so malicious so often; it's not pleasant or helpful ...
but I know we all have our own limitations and tolerances ...
July 24, 2008 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alex. Just as a head's up, in case you didn't read the end of that long blog the other day, GO read the bottom 30 or so comments, ok? Maybe not the day to be saying this stuff - some damage done. I suspect you probably haven't. If you have, then carry on by all means. But if not, give it a gander. Cheers dude.
July 24, 2008 9:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alex --
quinn mentions a 'long blog' & 'not the day to mention' stuff ...
here is the gist of it from Lila Shapiro:
and here is the link to that comment in that thread:
Lila's chiming in
see all that 'damage done' too!
July 25, 2008 2:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
i would like you to drop by the TPM-aholics site tomorrow also. Other things may have occurred that you might want to know.
That would be about the policy of blocking someone's right to post here for making threats. I'm here posting. So, why don't you drop by.
July 25, 2008 2:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
hi again, Cypher,
we're posting to one another almost simultaneously it seems ...
yes, okay; sounds sort of interesting; but, in fact, I do not have the link -- I've never actually been there (partly 'cuz I don't really feel all that 'close' to so many of those particular participants, I suppose) ...
so, can you give me a link to it around about these msgs?
thanks. ;>o
July 25, 2008 3:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
yikes. That message was meant for alex. I'm pretty sure that I had the right reply box. Sorry. No, I didn't take it as an attack. I did take Alex's assertions as an attack. Since his facts are wrong, I'm happy to clear that up. Here's that link again. It's not complicated. And once you're there, you might enjoy sticking around and bringing more folks there for the long term. It's a more direct connection to the other posters with it's speed. Quite a nice place.
http://www.lingr.com/room/TPM-aholics
July 25, 2008 3:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
thanks, Cypher,
I'll see if I feel comfortable once I check it out at my own 'plodding pace' heeeheee at my leisure, when I'm refreshed and energized ... I really appreciate your helping me get there, esply if it's as nice as you say!*^! xox
ps as I've mentioned here & there lately, I'm really Ms. Wholly Rogue Emperor or 'Empress' as quinn dubbed me recently when we were more simpatico there for awhile hoho! (so I can do those xox's without a problem; right? heeheeeheee)
ciao!
July 25, 2008 4:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
But you think it alright to start an attack right here on me, correct?
Let's be clear on this, if that is your intent.
July 25, 2008 2:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
hi Cypher --
whoops; did you read my comment linked to your note as an attack? because I'm sure I didn't mean it that way -- only a disagreement! but if that amounts to an attack as far as you're concerned right now, I'd better avoid trying to relate to you at all for awhile.
You've had a rough time here lately, so I'm inclined to suggest you get a little relief and refreshment or something; I mean you sound a little too touchy maybe ... but I feel sympathetic toward you basically -- at least so far ...
take it easy; okay?
July 25, 2008 3:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not a problem at all. And not sure that "touchy" is how I feel.
I think "relief" might be a better word.
As I said yesterday, I'm leaving TPM, but at my own pace. I have many friends here, some quite close. This will be my last chance to talk with them. So it will take a few days.
I'd hope not to be provoked again. But here were are. And I'd be more than happy for you to drop by TMP-aholics tomorrow. It's a place where TPM- er's are allowed to work out their issues. Here's the link. You can take a look at any time for the next few days. Just hit the archive on the top, and scroll through till you find Cypher. You can just take a look if you haven't been there. You don't have to sign in.
You can access the archives. Or you can enter with a name and talk. Though many folks just come by and look. Nothing to lose, eh?
http://www.lingr.com/room/TPM-aholics/archives/2008/07/25
July 25, 2008 3:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
thank you, Cypher.
I may pop by before too long ... although, without your invitation, I really hadn't felt any impulse to go over there before ...
I was just pretty amazed at the take that quinn evidently had from that episode last nite/this am! he just mentioned something on here ... funny, to me, 'cuz my view is so not even close! oh well! I guess I'd been misreading him and hadn't realized it ... funny when we catch ourselves doing that, no?
but when I look at these kinds of things as 'positively' as possible, I guess it does amount to a new kind of learning experience for lots of us, at least for me ... and that's got to be mostly good!
thanks, again, sensitive guy! ;>o and ciao for now!
July 25, 2008 3:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
btw, Cypher,
I don't know your reasons for wanting to leave TPM, but I guess if that's what you've decided you probly feel it's right for you, at least for the time being ... maybe I'll get more clued in about all that when I check out your archives on the TPM-aholics lingr site.
But, anyway, you might even return after a while too! I'd like to think so ... I mean probly, basically; it's a lot to give up when you've really been 'into it' for a good spell ... but sometimes a breather is good too ... we needn't force ourselves in any of this at any rate ... we each know when it feels like it's worth it or not ...
take care, later ...
July 25, 2008 4:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
oh! B Glad is hot! and so popular! people yearn for what he delivers, yummy more more more Fox needs him ... if the people want it ... well, something for everyone in every issue ...
let the lions loose ... see that crippled little gladiator tripping on his torn sandal ... he'll hardly get a scream out before he's gurgling in gushing gore ...
July 25, 2008 1:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't like the header of this thread. I have my issues with Billy Glad too, but really, come on. We are all adults here, aren't we? We can handle disagreements, I hope? Surely he cannot be that scary. I know he tries, but he's not scary. Certainly disagreeable, dismissive, bombastic, nasty, yes. Scary, no.
Like Alex39, I too am curious as to what or where Oz is, along with references to urine. Why urine?
July 24, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Urine is waste, the healthy excretion of excess nutrients and poisons. Male urine is stronger than female urine.
July 24, 2008 9:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd say that "faint odor of urine" is pretty obviously a reference to Billy's readers, combatants & victims pissing themselves. Which - while Billy may not like being named in the post - will likely make him smile. Assuming that he ever smiles, of course.
Billy's posts almost always set out a debate, and the bait. But each debate's TERMS are the equivalent of a gun-slinger picking the time, the street (long & narrow), the direction of the sun (always in the readers' eyes), the weapons etc. In short, he frames his debates very well. And I'm not sure how many of us can take him on in those debates, framed like that, and win. I can't. And I sure as shit have watched a lot of other people walk straight toward him, and get dispatched. And yes, it's always rude, crude & lewd - but what the hell does anyone EXPECT? Sooner expect Dick Cheney to break out into Kumbaya.
The only way I can see to engage is to shift the frame. Which is tough to do on somebody else's thread. It's like trying to lure the gun-slinger into a bar for a mid-day drink. When I try it, I get the "fuck off stupid, and stay on-topic." But staying on-topic is deadly. But BG IS, in my books, also performing a public service - oddly enough, for us. Just so long as you know what to expect. GIVE UP on some of the narrower debates he's structured - admit the small stuff he's set out as bait - because..... long pause here... on those issues, framed that way, he's often right.
And after that, set up your own frame, hopefully on different ground - barrooms are good - and if he wanders in, smoke him with a pool cue or something. Otherwise, if you don't like it, stay off his street. Unless you like the smell of urine.
July 24, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or the urine could be Billy pissing on the rest of us. Which he does, copiously.
July 24, 2008 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure he does. I guess I just grew up on a farm, with lots of cattle. Some got horns... some like to kick... some'll run you over... some'll soak you if get within 10 feet. I just learned to pay attention when I chose to enter the barn. And you?
July 24, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
That said with a smile at the end, Cricket. I just hate making those little smiley things, and I'm too tired to write Ark Ark!
(Kinda destroyed my own theory there, didn't I?)
July 24, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you don't like Billy, stay off his threads. This piece reads like someone who's afraid to say stuff to Billy straight on. People who go on Billy's threads know what to expect. They are quite capable of making that decision for themselves. Whatever you think about Billy Glad, he's paid his dues here and gets his say. And a fair number of people at TPM came here because of BIlly. Say it to his face or don't say it. No one likes a coward.
July 24, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cypher only shows up when Billy is attacked. He smells the piss and comes out of his cave. Fellow pissers either cover their own scent or the alpha dog's.
July 24, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd back up sharp on this comment too, Hoag. Cypher's tellin' ya something - as are others. Either say it to BG's face, or not at all. It's just manners. Mine ain't perfect either, but there you go.
July 24, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
quinn, esq:
Manners? as in 'acceptable manners'? but B Glad's 'manners' can be anything that give him whatever pleasure he can squeeze out of his obnoxious routines, and it's okay because, after all, he's just being B Glad being true to his real nature?
But you would denigrate any of us who would decide to discuss his effect on us with each other well out of his insufferable presence, and even not allow it if you could get away with that?
Well, I'm really glad you're not able to control us that much, even though you might try through your rather heavy-handed, if not altogether intimidating, gestures?
Or is it a boy thing mostly, where the guys are trying to stake out their turf in 'hood? hoho!
Dimitry seems more accurate and apropos in his response and assessments.
I feel so fed up with the incessant control-freak numbers so common around here ... and the hen-pecking order routines -- how stale, how rancid! jeeeeez ...
July 25, 2008 12:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ahhhh: no, maybe, no, yes and no.
July 25, 2008 12:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can't follow that or you ... but that's fine with me ... tricky guy! hoho
July 25, 2008 1:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
People actually came here because of that pseduo-troll?
No wonder his post got mystery Rec's before any replies were made...
I mean seriously, I am a long time lurker, recent poster. I have seen a lot of his posts, and they seem to be made with no other intent than to piss off others rather than inform the discussion.
That is my definition of a troll.
July 24, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sometimes he makes some fairly coherent points, but other times I feel like I'm listening to the third- or fourth-tier wannabe shock jock making such keen political aperçus as "Those clowns in Washington! What a bunch of clowns! Is this what they do with our tax money? Are you as mad about this as I am, Milwaukee?"
July 24, 2008 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo CB! Pissing off and pissing on. Lots of ureic acid in the air. The Cowardly Lion ruined his suit with all his pissing. All he needed was Courage.
July 24, 2008 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
So.... you lurk in your cave.... read his stuff.... but rather than come on out his posts & call him a troll, you decide to only come out when Hoagie's offerin' shit sandwiches for all? Sweeeeeet.
Not sure I'll be calling the ever-courageous Cosmic Boy next time I'm in a jam though.
July 24, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!!! And the prize goes to the new guy, who gets it.
July 25, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't he once write a post saying that he was gone for good? What happened?
July 24, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Narcissists need an audience to feel important. BG will never go away. What Dorothy resents is his using a political blog to crank his wank.
July 24, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're certainly doing well feeding off his energy. Got yourself a recommended post. If it wasn't for Billy Glad you'd be a nobody with no rec's and no one would be paying a bit of attention to you. Pretty slick for a first post.
July 24, 2008 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's like I said, oceankat. Everybody's owned a shit-eating dog at some point in their life.
July 24, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, please don't be angry Auntie Em. I know you are old and ugly, and I'm the young beauty with the story to tell. And Mr. Quinn, if people didn't shit in public, some dogs would have nothin' to eat, would they?
July 24, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ohhhh. Drat. He got me. I think I'm fadin'.... Call the doc..
Naw, sorry. I'm fine. Good one, though. Yeah. I'm old & ugly. 20 years ago, I looked like Nick Nolte did, 20 years ago. Whereas today, I look like Nick Nolte... today.
But hey beautiful... now that you've spelled out what you got in that hoagie... maybe you could eat it over there. With the other mutts.
July 24, 2008 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry Quinn, but I think I'm probably a lot younger than some of the men folk here, and y'all are sounding like a chorus of Karl Rove, James Carville, and I dunno, Robert Novak with a touch of Newt Gingrich and George Stephanopolous--like really stale. And when someone attacks one of the big boys, oh, man don't you all come to his defense--like some kind of tag team in professional wrestling. I mean really, listen to you defending the old zen master. Don't dare threaten the man, right? I mean he's untouchable. Read that thread of Billy's--his responses were mean, uncalled for, and ignorant. I mentioned urine and you would have thought the lid popped off of hell. Read what Billy wrote. And, that's ok? Well, hell, I don't think so. Why don't you all run for Congress? Perfect place for all of you.
July 24, 2008 10:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I figured I must've missed a doozy, but I searched and all I could find was some tantrumy splutter about Obama 'flip-flopping' on meeting with foreign leaders.
Did the admins delete a good rumble?
July 24, 2008 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
You didn't miss nothin' BinC, just another macho set of fireworks from the Wizard of Oz.
July 24, 2008 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe that it is unseemly or worse to write a post attacking another member of the Cafe. I think it's downright embarassing that it has so many recommendations. This is a new low at the Cafe.
July 24, 2008 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bruce, I would agree -- except that this post may not be quite what it appears to be. See my comment at the top of the thread.
July 25, 2008 12:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Alex. Please tell me you've read to the bottom of the debate yesterday - especially the bottom 30 or so comments, ok? Cause what you say here & esp. upthread walks directly against what Lila says there. I'm just saying - and I tried to drop a note into you upthread here as well, but you may have missed it - that the multiples thing just got banned, and a major user of them has agreed to it, and a whole lot of shit got caused to other people. A lot of it is posted over at the Chat. So just in case you missed it, please check. If you have in fact read it, and wish to say this, then that's fine - your call.
July 25, 2008 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I read it. I don't like being involved at all. I know some people have been accused falsely in the past -- and certainly, none of this is directed at you. But there are people on this thread using multiple avatars, and I feel compelled to point that out. I was cautious and didn't make any accusation until I was quite sure. Even now, I'm not getting angry about it. I'm just saying, right up at the top of the post, that this thread isn't what it appears to be -- so people don't get duped into having an imaginary argument.
July 25, 2008 12:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fair enough Alex, and thanks for responding.
I thought about it, and decided I was happy to wander in whether it's single voices or multi's. Just so's newcomers - or even relative newcomers like me - don't buy the schtick that it's ok to post attacks on people who aren't present.
Besides, being in a play ain't all that bad. The furniture breaks & the knives retract - but all I missed was a sandwich. Damn though... I DO kinda miss that sandwich. Got any ham on ya?
July 25, 2008 12:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to read that. I may have, if it's the one I'm thinking of, but perhaps not far enough down thread before it was gone. Can you give me a hint in the right direction to find it?
July 25, 2008 1:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Go to the archives. Hit "all reader posts," and go the bottom, then click on the most recent week's archives. Then run "find" or "search" to get a thread with "Fake" in the title.
July 25, 2008 1:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks
July 25, 2008 1:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Look, I'm not these people. Would be more than happy to discuss this with you through TPM. Would that work? Really. Not a problem. But when you start on it, as you've done here, it becomes one for me.
July 25, 2008 2:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
here it is:
Lila's TPM directive
this points to Lila's TPM policy statement in that long thread where it all came to a head (and then some) ...
July 25, 2008 4:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I read your post Alex. You are a fabulous poster--truly one of the Cafe mensches--and I appreciate that you would even pay attention to a kid from Patchogue like me. Maybe I'm just not with it, but please understand that I grew up on the Wizard of Oz and know a thing or two about urine. If this is a hoax, I just don't get it. So as much as I might hate to ruin a party with smart people who read between lines I don't see, I stand by my original comment, notwithstanding the fact that maybe I am just not as witty as those who are in on some kind of joke that I genuinely believe sets a really awful precedent here.
I believe that management owes it to us to chime in and opine on the appropriateness of posts that attack individual members of the Cafe. And I am totally serious.
July 25, 2008 6:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
well, I think that management owes it to us to enforce its guidelines in a coherent, consistent manner (as much as possible); and I think B Glad's comments are typically abusive and full of all sorts of outrageous violations of just about every line in those guidelines.
but let's not pretend to have guidelines when they are regarded as only sometimes relevant, just depending on expediency or revenue-related issues ...
I stopped reading BG's posts for awhile and then tried to start again, but I'm mostly turned off in the comments where he starts in on people with such a visceral gleeful vengeance; just kind of too sick for me, I guess ... to each whatever ...
and, btw, if management does or will not enforce their guidelines in any truly meaningful way, that does seem to leave it to us to do what we can to correct one another, if possible. although I'll admit we're probly not up to that quite yet either, from the looks of things here! so god only knows, I suppose ...
but that's partly or perhaps mainly how I can rationalize wanting to cultivate or use this post with our freely expressed comments, even when various others think that it's outrageous! although I too tire of all the outrage at some point ...
because of the blatant disparities between what is professed to be our standard criteria and what we actually experience here at TPM ... I feel a frustration in realizing what we supposedly have all agreed to since it is not actually manifested evenly ...
I feel the integrity of TPM has suffered and I am sorry to see that ...
but I'll probly just adjust by avoiding the more unpleasant areas; if we can't do better, at least we're doing some things pretty well.
when I decide there's not enough here to keep coming back then I won't come back any more either ...
July 25, 2008 7:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's pretty staggering eh, bslev? I tried to start by pointing Hoagie toward a broader take, on reframing things and such, but he took it personal, and decided to start saying I was old, ugly, phoney, useful stuff like that.
What I find to be a new low is exactly what you noted here. We have an enormous discussion, which ended up not too well in my books, which talked about "mobbing." and here we see not only mobbing taking place, but it's happening to a participant who isn't even here. And people are reading it, rec'ing it, and a lot are passing on by.
Billy may be sour & mean & lace people with more vitriol than they deserve, but they CHOOSE to come on his threads. This has turned into a show of cowardice that I can scarcely believe. Both by some of those participating, and some who are just passing by. Not pretty, my friend. Ahhhhhh well.
July 25, 2008 12:13 AM |