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IS George Bush Sabotaging The Election for OBAMA?
Didn't think that last word would be Obama huh? Here me out. So, I know that George Bush NEVER does anything in a smart methodical manner, so I may be giving him a wee bit more credit than needed. But for the following reasons, I have to ask, Is Bush Sabotaging the election for Obama.
As far as foreign policy, Obama's "weakest"(debatable) topic, the list goes like this.
1) In the early democratic debates, Obama called to attack the hills of Pakistan-if there is actionable intelligence that Al Qaeda is operating out of there. He was called naive by everyone from Biden to Clinton and now McCain, because he would do with/without Musharraf's cooperation
Whaddaya Know- the U.S has attacked those same hills four times. And, it has been confirmed that they killeed high level Al Qaeda operatives. This is alll WITHOUT the cooperation of Musharaff.
2) Obama has consistently called for diplomacy to the countries that inhabit Bush's "Axis of Evil" world.
Whaddaya Know- a few weeks ago, North Korea decided to at least give some of their nukes up and divulge intimate details about their nuclear proliferation program.
3) Obama has for at least a year said that we neeed troops in Afghanistan and Pakistan region.
Whaddaya Know- Nine troops died last weekend and now the Taliban and Al Qaeda have grown stronger, muscling out NATO and American troops in Afghanistan.
4) Also, Obama has consistently we need to offer Iran carrots and sticks and talk to them
And the Coup de grâce of my theory- HOLY BALLS OF IRAN, THE BUSH adminstration is sending the third highest ranking official in the state department to gasp Talk to Iran- even Charles Gibson said it sure sounds like the Obama plan Let's see How McCain is taking these recent developments
North Korea (note the word diplomatic-gasp)
McCain response
The announcement today that North Korea has provided information concerning elements of its nuclear program is a modest step forward, as will be the destruction of the disabled cooling tower of Yongbyon. But it is only a step covering one part of North Korea’s nuclear activities. It is important to remember our goal has been the full, permanent and verifiable denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. That must remain our goal. The Six Party agreement called for North Korea to make a full declaration of all its nuclear weapons and nuclear programs. Many questions remain about North Korea’s programs, including the disposition of plutonium at Yongbyon, the number and status of nuclear weapons, the nature of the highly-enriched uranium program, and the extent of proliferation activities in countries like Syria. I also want to make sure we fully account for the legitimate concerns of our South Korean and Japanese allies as we move forward. I understand certain sanctions were lifted today, some may be lifted in 45 days, and others remain in place.
“As we review this declaration and attempt to verify North Korean claims, we must keep diplomatic and economic pressure on North Korea to meet all of its obligations under the Six Party agreement, including denuclearization. If we are unable to fully verify the declaration submitted today and if I am not satisfied with the verification mechanisms developed, I would not support the easing of sanctions on North Korea.”
Obama responseThis is a step forward, and there will be many more steps to take in the days ahead. Critical questions remain unanswered. We still have not verified the accuracy of the North Korean declaration. We must confirm the full extent of North Korea’s past plutonium production. We must also confirm its uranium enrichment activities, and get answers to disturbing questions about its proliferation activities with other countries, including Syria.
“The declaration has not yet been made available, so Congress has not had a chance to review it. Before weighing in on North Korea’s removal from the list of state sponsors of terrorism, Congress must take the next 45 days to examine the adequacy of the North Korean declaration and verification procedures. Sanctions are a critical part of our leverage to pressure North Korea to act. They should only be lifted based on North Korean performance. If the North Koreans do not meet their obligations, we should move quickly to re-impose sanctions that have been waived, and consider new restrictions going forward.
“We should continue to pursue the kind of direct and aggressive diplomacy with North Korea that can yield results. The objective must be clear: the complete and verifiable elimination of North Korea’s nuclear weapons programs, which only expanded while we refused to talk. As we move forward, we must not cede our leverage in these negotiations unless it is clear that North Korea is living up to its obligations.
“As President, I will work from the very beginning of my term in office to secure the American people and our interests in this vital region. We must work with diligence and determination with our friends and allies to end this dangerous threat, and to secure a lasting peace on the Korean peninsula.”
And lest we not forget the coupe de grace,, the BUSH ADMINSTRATION WILL TALK TO IRAN
Obama's response
I welcome news that the Bush Administration has shifted course and will send an envoy for direct talks as part of the P5+1 with the Iranians in Geneva this weekend. I commend our European allies and other friends on this effort. Now that the United States is involved, it should stay involved with the full strength of our diplomacy. A united front with our friends and allies directly calling on the Iranians to stand down on their illicit nuclear program will maximize the international pressure we can bring to bear and will show the Iranian people that Iran’s isolation is a function of its government’s unwillingness to live up to its obligations. Iran should live up to its obligations now; by waiting, it will only face greater isolation.”
McCain's response
Still Waiting.............
Oh Yeah, check out this little exchange On CBS news
While reporting that a top U.S. diplomat will attend an international meeting with an Iranian negotiator on Wednesday’s CBS "Early Show," correspondent Bill Plante suggested such a meeting represented the Bush Administration moving toward Barack Obama’s goal of direct negotiations with Iran: "Absolutely a first and it's a sharp break from what has been the policy of the Bush Administration...Now official disclaimers aside, the fact that the administration is sending someone to this meeting is a very big deal. And since Obama has put it into the political debate it is sure to stay as part of the political discussion."
Following that report, co-host Harry Smith talked to political analyst Jeff Greenfield about the impact on the presidential campaign:
So interesting, this has been part and parcel of the political discussion of the two campaigns for several months now. Barack Obama says we should talk to some of these folks. McCain has long maintained, very much along the administration lines, we don't talk unless they stop enriching uranium. How does this reflect, do you think, upon the campaigns?
Greenfield responded by describing how the diplomatic meeting would help Obama: "But if your whole argument, and it was Senator Clinton's as well, against Obama is he's naive, he doesn't understand the world, and now to have the administration say, 'okay, the precondition we can set aside,' it tends to undercut the argument, which is going to be a key to Obama's critics, that he doesn't understand the world."
Who's the appeaser?
Any more sabatoginess from the Bush Adminstration












Comments (24)
Hmmm. So many thoughts about all this...
The most worrisome is that having Bush's people as our emissaries and extending the initial overtures could well sabotage much more than the election.
July 17, 2008 12:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is what I see happening: Events are playing out as Obama has said they must. McBush thought it was just Obama, but turns out the Universe is conspiring. Obama has been right about Iraq/Afghanistan/Iran all along and he's still right. Every time McCain tries to shout out how wrong Obama is to state a policy, it turns out that it's breaking news that the Bush administration is in fact acting on that policy as we speak. It must be frustrating for McCain to be wrong so very often.
July 17, 2008 2:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
No. This is a suckerpunch. This whole diplomatic outreach thing is going to be declared and a complete failure. Just to show that Obama IS naive and inexperienced.
More importantly, it will provide this administration with the ammunition to pursue military action. Having failed at diplomacy.
War will be declared before Nov and McWar will be elected as the one who knows 'how to win wars'
Don't buy this doublecross!!
July 17, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
george is doing whatever he can to help john mcsame
and he's a born fuckup
the man traded Sammy Sosa
there in nothing associated with george w bush that isn't a disaster
why should mcsame's campaign be any different
July 17, 2008 7:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I never gave Bush credit for anything he has ever done. But, if he is NOT coordinating this well he is the best at being the worst.
July 17, 2008 7:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I feel Bush's administration, which is also McCain's administration for all intents and purposes, is coordinating to remove the base of Obama's foreign policy stance.
Although it lends some credit to Obama for being the one to stipulate the policies first, it removes them from his arsenal in that he can no longer call for them or say this is what he will do, as they are already done.
I accredit nothing at all to Bush, as he is a fuckwit and a puppet of the Neocons and nothing more, just as mcSame would be and currently is, but lay the 'credit' of the current policy shifts to the underlying controlling factors of his party.
July 17, 2008 8:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree Diego, I just think the CBS guy hit it on the head- it's kinda hard to say this guy is naive and dangerous if the current president is following him. It begs the question, are we already in an Obama adminstration? I also think that Bush might want Obama in, because he REALLY hates McCain (check out this story http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1823695,00.html) and If McCain gets in-more than likely he will really bash Bush because he won't need him anymore-if Obama bashes Bush people will think well, he's a democrat he would do it anyway.
July 17, 2008 8:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
You guys got this one exactly right! He would like to help McCain win, but he is so inept, his efforts backfire and help Obama. Like when he reverses policy and is for offshore drilling, right after McCain reverses policy. Or when he give McCain a headsup that the hostages are going to be released in Columbia and lets him be in the area when it happens. Just looks way to collaborative and doesn't work the way that it used to when Karl did it.
BUSH - To stupid to be evil!
July 17, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a TRAP!!
Bush is not going to enter any negotiations with GOOD FAITH.
What they are going to do is first have the media say they are doing just what Obama says his plan is.
Then...it will FAIL!!
They have no intention of this plan succeeding.
After using Obama's blueprint they are going to say SEE it did not work!
THEN, they are going to declare military action and McCain will be President!
July 17, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree.
Bush is now looking towards his legacy. He sincerely wants to go out with a bang, and establishing some form of diplomatic relationship with Tehran will do just that. As the saying goes, only Nixon could go to China.
He's done the same with North Korea.
I know it's not politically correct to compliment the devil, but the truth is Bush deserves some credit here. He is making real progress with North Korea--a country in a position, due to economic desperation, to consider selling nuclear technology to terrorist organizations.
If Bush is able to make tangible progress in Iran, all the better for us as a country.
Bush has made some of the greatest blunders of any modern President: he has initiated an ill-conceived conflict in Iraq, eroded the Constitution with his warrant less wiretaps and practice of rendition. The list can go on.
However, we should collectively applaud when the snake does things right--like in North Korea, and now in Iran. These efforts only make us safer, and shouldn't be disparaged outright.
By the way, as a democrat, I still think Bush sucks. But as an American, I'm hopeful that his final days in office will not result in a third war with Iran, but a form of detente.
July 17, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Bush is now looking towards his legacy. He sincerely wants to go out with a bang..."
I agree with the bang part, ChrisnBama, but what kind of bang?
Might be, as you suggest, that "establishing some form of diplomatic relationship with Tehran will do just that;" however --
Since that would be such a counter-intuitive, nuanced move for Bush, might it be more likely that he is simply duplicating the same"going through the motions" sham process he used with the WMD inspectors, and then the UN, to justify invading Iraq?
This suggested scenario would not be counter-intuitive, but classic Bush/Cheney: go through the pretense of diplomacy that will certainly fail, then squawk about the danger of their "nucalar" capability, maybe throw in a blockade sure to escalate tensions, and then...
Go out with a Bang.
July 17, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
you think so ???
most Americans don't agree with you
we know george fucked up Afghanistan. We know george fucked up Iraq
you think we want george to start another war ???
bombing Iran will trigger a repuglitard led impeachment (cuz the repuglitards are gonna have to SOMETHING to avoid extinction)
July 17, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that this will not be done in good faith. But how does it follow that McCain will be president? I really don't know anybody from any party who thinks war with Iran is an acceptable option. So I think a move to war with Iran would push many more voters toward Obama in order to end this nightmare foreign policy we've got going. Talk about no vision and no creativity; this neocon crowd is a one-trick horses ass.
July 17, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see your point Vicissitudes, BUT, that might have worked if they started when Obama started calling for diplomacy around August 07. However, roughly 4 months before the election, and you're gonna throw up your hands and say well at least we tried- I highly doubt that would not reak of a conspiracy. And, I actually think that if we were to go to war with another country (logistically not possible-no army) but, it would backfire and Americans would loathe anything that even started with an R. GOD forbid, the only way it could work is if we get attacked here, and I pray to Christ that would never come to fruition.
July 17, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
the masses are asses and once the "Obama" plan fails..that will be all the pundits and GOP talk about endlessly...just how naive and irresponsible his ideas are...and they will point to the failed negotiations as proof that he is not experienced enough to be the Commander in Chief.
They will excoriate him and talk about how America gave away her prestige and ceded ground to 'talk to our enemies' and they will say that sometimes you have to have military actions and that will be all she wrote.
This is a suckerpunch...it is clear as the handwriting on the wall.
Why would any country beleive anything the Bush administration has to say? They won't. They will not cooperate and dimwit Bush will declare an act of premptive war..as he leaves office with Iran.
July 17, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Bush people have been in reactive mode with respect to foreign policy since 9/11 with two likely notable exceptions: Iraq and Iran.
In reactive mode, there is the appearance of Bush adopting Senator Obama's foreign policy positions on Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iraq when, in effect, they are pursuing the only reasonable options left.
The Bush people are not adopting the senator's position on Iran in any way, shape, or form. This is a specious media superposition.
Dana Perino made it clear yesterday that policy toward Iran had not changed. Here is her statement:
"We believe the timing is right, now, to go and underscore the unity of the international community that Iran must suspend its nuclear uranium enrichment, and then we can talk about negotiations from there," Perino said, maintaining that the meeting was a "one-time U.S. participation."
The key here is the phrase "then we can talk."
Further, when pressed as to whether Israel had been consulted about sending Burns to the talks State Department spokesman Sean McCormack refused to answer even when different reporters re-phrased the question. Here's a link to yesterday's State Department press briefing (I hope):
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2008/july/107065.htm
All this does is give the appearance that the U.S. has exhausted all options with Iran before taking/supporting stronger measures. Like when they (didn't) let the weapons inspectors complete their job in Iraq.
That's my take.
July 17, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, Parsing Thru: I responded to ChrisNBama before reading the rest of the thread. No plagiarism intended, and I am glad to see a concurring opinion.
July 17, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me too! I wonder if it's too optimistic to think a groundswell of objection to war with Iran could make a difference.
July 17, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
It seems to me that in his waning days, Bush is going out of his way to show the world just how wrong his policies have been. He's basically adopting Obama's positions and, lo and behold, those policies seem to be working. Imagine that. It really does appear that they're playing McCain for a chump and trying to leave him holding the bag. Any day now, I expect to hear Bush say, "John McCain isn't running for my third time because I'm not me any more. I'm the new and improved George Bush. I'm like Barack Obama's first two terms."
Bush is attempting to save his legacy by tossing his own presidency under the bus.
July 17, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you guys are right about Bush wanting to save face. Everytime he gives an interview he always say history will judge me differently- I think he wants to be known as an O.K president and not the jack ass in chief. I think that if things go well in N korea and Iran, and obama continues those talks and things hold up- Bush will beat his chest and say, well, I started it. I was talking to my sis the other day, I honestly believe Bush is earnestly a good person. He just has blowhards surrounding him. I feel bad for him in a fleeting tangential way, I mean he kinda screwed up everything you could think of. I mean let's be honest there was no difference between republican and democrat until Bush came in. His dad wasn't great but he wasn't as bad as his son. It's like the puppy who tears up your entire house, hops over to the neigbors' to do the same, terrorizes the entire neighborhood for 7 yrs only to fetch your slippers (which he sogged with his spit) and look at you with those big brown eyes knowing knows you are about to put him to sleep( and not the good kind).
July 17, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain's continued struggles with facts along with the painful blunders of surrogates are mounting evidence (to me) that he is a straw man. He won't be the republican nominee.
The Father's Day quip by members of the Bush family that Jeb would make a great president haunts me more and more. He's kept his foot in the political door according to the St. Petersburg Times: http://tampabay.com/news/politics/state/article664280.ece
Jeb Bush is poised to step in seamlessly as the republican presidential nominee. The machinery and backers are in place. George Bush is doing everything he can to improve his image so the notion of another Bush in the White House won't gag all but 28% of Americans.
The coy Father's Day remark, McCain's oft addled persona, the St. Pete Times article, and S.V. Date's book: "Jeb-America's Next Bush" support the argument that McCain is a straw man -- that Jeb or someone else will be the nominee. Maybe there will be a September surprise. Hopefully this is all hogwash.
To reassert on Iran, the latest move is a red herring.
July 17, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. McCain won't make it to the general election. He has done nothing with his headstart, is a ridiculously weak candidate, and will bow out with health problems or a scandal.
July 17, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
what scares me is that bushies aren't concerned so much w/ helping mcfuddle out but are preforming a classic set up for the bombing of Iran. Only in that way will they helping Mcfuddle since he has the confidence of voters in National Security. But the goal is war and oil. iran has oil and we know his track record on wanting war and oil. I can not accept any motives here for legit negociations! It's not the Bushies style to be true and honest!
July 17, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Graduate edication obviously is far worse than we ever suspected.
July 17, 2008 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
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