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Hypberbolic Ridicule Masked As Thoughtful Commentary
Obama "shredded" the constitution by voting for the revised FISA bill. Yeah, it's in tatters; nobody has any rights any more, and there's zero protections of our privacy and no hope in the future for increasing protections. I call this the "slippery slope" hysteria.
He "caved" on FISA because he's into playing politics, a.ka., lying. Some play. He's drawn heavy flak from both sides. Critics say he blew it. He says he sticking to his principles, to honestly deciding what he thinks is best for the country, making a close call and assuring us that he will fight against the negative consequences of this checkered bill. "Capitulation," I thought, was going over to the other side, as Hillary did when she voted for the war resolution. She didn't have protections, qualifications, showed no signs of realizing that Bush was a pathological liar. Obama sees through the bad things about the bill and thinks he can ameliorate them. If that's caving in to pressure, then he truly is an idiot, because the pressure came only after the vote.
Here's a big one. He's a "centrist." Yeah, right. That's why he's for supporting faith based institutions' secular programs that are, in principle, supported by many positions taken by the ACLU. Oh, and his vote for stripping the telecom immunity from the FISA bill--all the dyed-in-the-wool centrists' who voted against it must have lost their stripes as he became one of the few true centrists for that moment. What about his recent intensified support of Israel? That clearly violated his previously expressed sensitivity to the Palestinians. Now he cares not a whit about them. We know that, because we see the shifting and shaping going on, and, well, what else can we conclude? He's definitely a centrist, maybe even no different than Bush, as Choamsky suggests. Then there's the promise to "refine" his Iraq policy. That's worrisome. He could easily turn out to be a closet neo-con. Many suspect that he is a closet radical. One of these views has to be correct. If we add them together, we get, you guessed it, a centrist. Hey, if he looks like a centrist for one month, then he must be one.
He isn't anything he said he was, honest, genuine, progressive. Never mind that his entire life up to this point was dedicated to these principles and that people who worked directly with him have certified that he was.
After all, as Mother Jones recently argued, even Paul Wellstone was swallowed up by the system. He had been a committed community organizer too and discovered that institutional influences were impossible to resist. Actully, Wellstone was unlike Obama in crucial respects. Most notably, Wellstone was given to being entirely disagreeable, which is why Wellstone suffered a power shortage. Obama's power is in his empathy. Still, if Wellstone went the way of all flesh, then Obama must too. The big bad powers that be reach into every politician's heart and put an artificial one in it's place. There's no resisting it. Not!








Comments (28)
Argument by sarcastic tone isn't often a winning argument. If Obama wasn't going to oppose the FISA bill by filibuster, he shouldn't have said he would. Thus, he caved for reasons of perceived political expediency. Given that he is a constititional lawyer, the was particularly appalling. I'm sorry that you find your sarcastic tone to be a sufficient defense. For me, the disappointment in Obama's retreat on this issue bodes extremely poorly for a possible Obama presidency. This is an extremely bad start, no matter how one slices it.
July 12, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I understand some of people's disappointment over FISA, and he shouldn't have said that he would filibuster it with the immunity if he wasn't positive that was what he would actually do, but it does seem like people are ignoring the man's entire life and record over one vote. I don't think it's a bad start if you look at the big picture.
July 12, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Out of the loop,
You wrote that "he caved for reasons of perceived political expediency." The emphasis for me is on "perceived." There is only circumstantial evidence that he was being expedience, playing politics--call it what it is, lying. There is evidence, some of which is in my piece, that he wasn't playing politics. There's his length statement to the contrary. Why do you believe this hyperbolic ridiculing statement about a man who has a long history of being genuine and sincere?
July 12, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama was sufficiently audacious to promise us something different and better from other politicians. He implicitly asked to be judged, therefore, by a different standard. By the sort of standard he led us to expect, he seems to be failing. Obama referred to protections in the bill, but frankly, when I read the bill I didn't find anything that sounded protective. The telecoms are protected if they can show that the president asked them to do what they did. Are you uncertain about whether they can do this? The fact is that Obama broke his word on this, which makes him a very ordinary politician, indeed. My expectations for an Obama Presidency thus are severely diminished. We have an overt warning from the man himself. Only a fool would not take this warning seriously.
July 12, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the disingenuousness: you imply that you were a supporter of Obama's carried to him by your belief in his "audaciousness of hope"; and so you now suffer "disappointment" because of FISA and "warn" us about the dangers of this man. Sorry, I don't buy it. You're a cynic, like a lot of progressives, and our cynicism is a double-edged sword; we are quite proficient as we wield it against our enemies and against ourselves, oft times, with equal enthusiasm, equal abandon, and equal self-righteousness.
You complain about the diarist's use of sarcasm, as if any diary that supports Obama would receive fair reading from you or would have any chance of swaying you from your "doom and gloom" needs to 'warn us fools of the dangers of Obama. If the diarist is sarcastic, you are insincere.
I am, frankly, tired of those who claim to have been anything more than marginal supporters of Obama who now express "outrage" at his FISA vote, to retroactively justify their tepid support.
I don't have any problem with folks who only marginally support Obama (for any reason), that's their right. My problem is when the cynics profess false "moral outrage and disappointment over their idealistic view of Obama" and easily and happily parrot the meme promoted by the Republicans; they are more interested in justifying their cynicism about politics and politicians than in doing anything constructive for our country. And somehow they think that's honorable and progressive.
So, thanks for your 'dire warning' about the evil Barack, I'll consider the source and give it all due consideration.
July 12, 2008 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm confused: What are you advocating here? Are you advocating we not vote for him? Or are you just chiming in that you didn't get your way? We've heard that ad nauseum for the last three weeks.
I guess I don't know why we are still talking about this so much. You disagree with his vote. Fine. You have a choice in this election: Vote McCain, vote Obama, vote third-party, or write-in. Make your decision and let's move the fuck on already.
July 13, 2008 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
out o' loop,
He said that he changed his mind because protections were added to the bill, and he voted against telecom immunity. The circumstances changed after he made that commitment. Maybe he shouldn't have made it, but the claim that he is lying or being duplicitous or expedient just doesn't hold up. He changed his mind.
July 12, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Name a protection that was added to the bill that is significant enough to justify a change of positions. I can't find one.
July 13, 2008 6:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually he said he would "support a filibuster" of the bill. The filibuster did not happen. Further he voted to remove the immunity provision in all three of the losing amendments which were presented.
I think it's important that his actual stance is reported/argued correctly.
July 12, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good one. We need a let's be real webpage that handles these overblown criticisms. Obama's site isn't adquate.
July 12, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's some pretty ridiculous parsing.
July 12, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
As opposed to equating opposition to legal immunity with opposition to civil immunity?
July 12, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Obama's power is in his empathy."
Deliver me.
As for Wellstone, he was the only Democrat up for reelection who had the guts to vote against the war with Iraq. If Hillary had that kind of courage, she'd be the party's nominee today and we wouldn't be suffering through b.s. about the power of empathy.
July 12, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bluebell,
You're ignorant of how large scale problems are being solved in the real world. The emphasis in most organizations hired to solve these problems is precisely on getting to know the other guy's position respectfully. I've said this many times before in other posts and provided evidence. Google my posts for James Blight, the foremost advocate of the use of realistic empathy in solving international conflicts.
July 12, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you.
July 12, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I appreciate your critique of the highly contagious language manipulations among responses to Obama. Even David Sirota (yes, I know!) is talking about Obama throwing things under buses. Words are supposed to be vehicles for thoughts, not the other way around! Intelligent writers are responsible for upholding that truth in their work.
July 12, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love the title of this post.
Maybe we could use it as a motto, up at the top of the page, for TPM Cafe as a whole?
July 12, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I thought it was a very descriptive title for the article, except the article wasn't all that thoughtful.
July 12, 2008 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Out o' loop,
YOu wrote, "The fact is that Obama broke his word on this, which makes him a very ordinary politician."
"Broke his word" is your hyperbolic phrase for "changed his mind." You're implying that he lied to us. You have no proof of that. We're reduced to interpreting what he said in explanation of his change of mind. The bill changed; he's the constitutional lawyer and he, along with many other people think it changed. That means there's room for doubt of your position. Why hang everything on this one vote? There's a wealth of information contradicting your overall point that he's significantly diminished.
July 12, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lighten up -hic! Havva drink!
July 12, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
This post is rare for making SENSE. Congrats, and thank you!
July 12, 2008 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've grown more and more enthused by your continued rationalism, Preach. I love everything about this post.
Obama "shredded" the constitution by voting for the revised FISA bill. Yeah, it's in tatters; nobody has any rights any more, and there's zero protections of our privacy and no hope in the future for increasing protections. I call this the "slippery slope" hysteria.
You are absolutely right. FISA has become an unfounded obsessive paranoia for some. It's as if this single bill means the end of the world, or the end of the country, or the end of the Constitution, or the end of our rights as we know them. But it's not.
I have read extensively on the FISA Amendment, and the more I actually read and research about it, the less concerned I am about it. The way certain people speak, one might be lead to believe the opposite: the more you read and understand it, the less you'll like it. But that has not been my experience.
I do not like the bill. I, myself, would not have voted for it. I think it is a bad bill, and far, far from perfect. But it is not a one-shot deal for destroying the Constitution. And it is not the end of the Country and our rights as we know them.
I understand why Obama voted for it, much as I disagree with him. I also commend him on so honestly and openly speaking about why he was voting for it, not simply to the press, or in speeches, but directly to his supporters in a blog on his website, about one single piece of legislation, one position, one choice, one vote. If you can tell me when another politician, and especially Presidential Candidate, has done such a thing, I would truly love to hear it.
July 12, 2008 9:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huh? you seem confused on the one hand your not concerned about the bill ..(your for it?) then on the other you say you wouldn''t have voted for it(your against it). Which is it?
For my part FISA is simply another way of picking apart my bill of rights by this administration. Sorry but having some unknown and unreachable person in the HSA reading my emails or listening to my calls doesn't make me all warm and fuzzy......Back in the USSR......
July 12, 2008 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why must you reduce things to either "you're for it" or "you're against it"? That kind of reductive reasoning is what's making it so hard for people to actually put aside their differences, and it saddens me to see myself once again faced with having to respond to that kind of failed logic.
Simply because I would not have voted for the bill and do not approve of it does does not mean I cannot understand other modes of thinking, and other points of view on it.
Nor does not believing the paranoia and hysteria concerning the bill constitute me "being for it," as you would so eloquently say.
The FISA bill is not perfect, and I do not believe it is a good bill. But it is not the Constitution-destroying monster that paranoid people such as Glen Greenwald (and apparently yourself) would have us believe it is.
By the way, hate to be a nit-picker, but you improperly used the pronoun "your" -- I believe you meant to use "you're".
July 13, 2008 12:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's been a lot longer than a month. I've been saying it for a while, but it usually just gets people yelling at me.
July 13, 2008 1:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
LOUD NOISES!
July 13, 2008 6:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
ALL CAPS COMMENT IS ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTIVE DIALOG
July 13, 2008 5:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Slippery slope? How about crafting legislation on FISA as Obama did and then voting against it.
I bet Dodd knows the meaning of a slippery slope.
Your argument only appeals to the koolaid drinkers.
July 13, 2008 8:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
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