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Gagging on the Kool-Aid

Some Obama supporters worry that the spectacle of their candidate eagerly embracing his old rival, Hillary Clinton, and traveling the country courting big donors at lavish fund-raisers, may have done lasting damage to his image as an arbiter of a new kind of politics. This is a major concern since Obama's outsider credentials, have, in the past, played a large part in his appeal to moderate, swing voters. In the new poll, McCain leads Obama among independents 41 percent to 34 percent, with 25 percent favoring neither candidate. In June's NEWSWEEK Poll, Obama bested McCain among independent voters, 48 percent to 36 percent. Newsweek
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The American media elite chose to portray Obama as some kind of knight in armor. They're analysts. Yet they were desperate to believe in a political fairy tale from Chicago. Somewhere in this desperate yearning is an answer. Obama is not their fool. And he's not weak. He got down on one knee to the Chicago Democratic Machine and didn't make any waves and asked that it make him a U.S. senator. He lectured the Africans about political corruption and kept his mouth shut about corruption in Chicago, and the national press ignored the inconsistency and pampered and protected him. He waited and he's ready and now they're worried? Too late, boys and girls. John Kass, Chicago Tribune

There are all kinds of independents, left, right, center... you name it. They probably only have one trait in common: an aversion to drinking Kool-Aid.

Drinking Kool-Aid is about commitment, sacrificing core principals can only be justified, if it can be justified, in pursuit of a great cause.

Certainly, nothing could be more absurd than to drink  Kool-Aid with no ideological content whatsoever.

Newsweek wonders:
But perhaps most puzzling is how McCain could have gained traction in the past month.
That is a no-brainer.

This election is not about McCain, it is about Obama,

McCain cannot win, but Obama can lose.

My reading of Barack Obama that he is his own space or he is no space at all. His secret has been the charm of his difference. If he loses that special quality, and by now there is little left, it will be like Cinderella's coach turning back into a pumpkin and all the pretty horses back into scurrying, little mice.

That is what is happening now, I predict it will go very fast once it starts and that some of the super-delegates may begin to have second thoughts by the end of the month.

The Democrats have thrown a once in a generation opportunity away.
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Comments (41)

Ahhh David. Hard at it. Here's a question, so you can set things straight. You say the election is all about Obama. In the absence of "events, dear boy, events" - you may be right. But. Is Obama: 1) The Naive Innocent? Too soft, too shiny, to withstand any attack? With supporters who will run once they face real fire? Or 2) The grand Fascist rabble-rouser? You know, Lucifer with his minions, willing & able to stamo out any dissent? Or perhaps, 3) Fast Eddie, dealing from the bottom of the Chicago deck?

The thing is, if you want your insights into his motivations to have any traction, they have to hang together. Line up with some evidence. Then.... we can test them. At present, week by week you throw a new one on the heap. Or maybe you have a new image which now holds all these pieces together?

Please do put forward your views on this. But note. Once made explicit, it IS worth thinking through to the next step - and then the one beyond it. A bit like chess. e.g. It may not be enough to simply say, his image marred, his naive followers will fall away, and all will be lost. It's a big country, that good ole America. Because yes,some of the naive might leave. True. But some might just... grow up. While others.... might be attracted. There are a lot of Hillary supporters here who seem to feel Obama isn't tough enough. So Fast Eddie might just... appeal.

Finally, your words stating that you believe America would be BEST off if its 300 million citizens were provided with an extended dose of what Franco gave Spain have not been forgotten. This is the thing about offering so many, varying, predictions & prescriptions. Anyone who buys them will son have a medicine cabinet quite overflowing. And taken in combination, can make one quite ill. Much moreso than simply drinking Kool-Aid.

Obama is the Running Man. Now it's the question of whether he's the Schwarzenneger Running Man or some other Also Ran.

Is Obama: 1) The Naive Innocent? Too soft, too shiny, to withstand any attack? With supporters who will run once they face real fire? Or 2) The grand Fascist rabble-rouser? You know, Lucifer with his minions, willing & able to stamo out any dissent? Or perhaps, 3) Fast Eddie, dealing from the bottom of the Chicago deck?
Interesting question! I am tempted to answer "yes and no", but I'll try to cover your points.
  1. I have never thought that Obama was innocent. I cannot remember ever seeing a less innocent politician in my life. Even McCain is as innocent as a new born baby compared to Obama.
  2. Grand fascist rabble-rouser? His speeches have nothing fascist about them, if you don't count their moving masses with empty words fascist. But, his followers, the Obamites or Obamanauts, who are often a bit new agey can behave in a quite fascist manner when their beloved leader is not sufficiently beloved. That is why I call Obama the "nerd's Mussolini".
  3. Lucifer? The charm is there, certainly the pride is there too, but nobody, but nobody has a longer and deeper CV than Lucifer, so I guess that leaves Obama out.
  4. Fast Eddie? You are getting warm there, but of course that is to minimize his talents, which are considerable. Also "Fast Eddie" has a certain racist tone to it that doesn't fit. As if Obama were some sort of street gamine, that had come up in mean streets, like the Denzel Washington character in "American Gangster". Never forget that Obama's color is a mere disguise. If Americans weren't so obsessed by skin color, nobody would ever take him seriously when he spoke in the name the descendants of slavery.

Aw Jeez, Seaton. Yer making my brain hurt - you just gave me four "no's!" So what IS he? I'm outta bullets.

Is he just dangerous & duplicitous? Forget the images even, just describe the guy. What do you think he IS?

And you still need, I think, to deal with that Franco For The US recommendation you made a while back. That was harsh, buddy. Step away from that kinda thing, people'd be happier to chat.

Just saying.

Is he just dangerous & duplicitous? Forget the images even, just describe the guy. What do you think he IS?
Quinn, If he didn't have have the dark skin "disguise", you could see him clearly yourself: the most cynical politician to ever to get this close to the White House.

David Seaton, I wish that I had your acuity. Alas, Obama's black skin and pretty words make my brain go all kerfluie.

"The dark skin disguise" -- again, you dazzle us.

dark skin "disguise",


Listen, you ancient bearded git, you ask for people to call you names, beg for it, in fact. You are nothing but a concern troll from abroad. YOU DON'T EVEN LIVE HERE!! What do you care who we elect?

Excellent commentary, well thought out, I have been trying to communicate the zeitgeist similarily, he "surfed the shark" no varnish.. etc..

http://seaton-newslinks.blogspot.com/2008/07/gagging-on-kool-aid.html

Nice commentary and I agree.

It will not be democrats who decide the next election, it will be the moderates and the libertarians, and they vote on principles, not celebrity worship or Eric Hoffer principles.

I think Obama lost more than was calclated on the FISA issue, independents and libertarians wanted change, and would compromise by voting Obama, now that is off the table, they are on to second tier considerations, and that is "not the state of the black family" or a Bill Cosby sermon telling America that blacks bear the responsibility of their condition by not breaking the cycle of education and poverty.

I have no freaking idea what the Obama campaign is attempting to accomplish but it has been interesting watching them.

That Mussolini thing -- God you're clever!

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The use of the word "Koolaid" is a sure sign of an intellectually lazy concern troll.

It's officially banned here. Thought you should know.

Other words to avoid:
- "throw under the bus"
- "secret muslim"
- "wolf in sheeps clothing"
- "snake oil salesman" (which century did they did they dig these archaic phrases from -- seriously, "snake oil"???)

I agree about "snake oil salesman", "secret Muslim" and "wolf in sheep's clothing", but how can you talk about Obama without using "Kool-Aid" and "throw under the bus"?

Grown-ups manage it quite easily. Resorting to ad hominems and memes is lazy debate.

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Quoting the legendary halfwit John Kass?

Though his unique combination of incoherence, smugness and paranoia is not out of place in this diary. I think he'd even be jealous of that strained Cinderella metaphor.

To me, Obama is in the first real test of his candidacy. The negative press, the reactions to his recent decisions, falling contributions, The New Yorker, Newsweek, Seaton's independents...

In one way, specifically, I totally agree with this post. It IS Obama's race to lose. And it is also Obama's race to win. To win, he has to stand up and be counted. He has to be something bigger than just another politician who simultaneously tries to appeal to all bases, stay somewhat true to his own stated principles and fight against an essentially one-sided media who seems unable to hold his opponent to any reasonable standard of competency or truly examine his (McCain's), often shifting, positions.

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The notion that the superdelegates or the Democratic convention will abandon Obama is delusional. Or is it wishful thinking by Hillary diehards?

both

His secret has been the charm of his difference. If he loses that special quality, and by now there is little left, it will be like Cinderella's coach turning back into a pumpkin and all the pretty horses back into scurrying, little mice.

Obama is an Empty Suit, version 1.05

What has irked me most about Obama critics throughout the primary season has been the condescending dismissiveness. Because you can see no substantial reason for supporting Obama, you are unable to imagine that anyone has substantial reasons for supporting Obama. You project b.s. explanations onto his supporters: his race, his eloquent speaking, his idealistic (but empty) message, our youth, our idealism, our sexism, our cultishness. And you still feel this way, despite months of debates and endless open letters about what we see in Obama, despite the fact that he has generated more enthusiasm than any candidate in recent history, despite the fact that his supporters have tenaciously supported their candidate through all the scandals--Wright, Ayers, elitism, FISA--that were supposed to finally explode the popularity of this man who defies your dour predictions at every point.

David Seaton, you have underestimated Obama, and you continue to underestimate him for a classic reason: you have made a caricature of him and his supporters. You have dismissed his strengths and emphasized his weaknesses. You have ignored the often cogent and nuanced defenses of his "Kool Aid drinking" supporters. You will never understand the secret of his appeal as long as you do not allow yourself to acknowledge the possibility that people of intelligence and clarity support him for substantial reasons. And so this caricature will continue to surprise you.

Thank you.

I don't underestimate Obama. How can you underestimate anyone with no CV and no content that has come as far as he has?
Try reading another voice:

Obama chuckled last week at the very thought of having been "tagged as being on the Left" - and then unceremoniously jettisoned those Leftists that had taken it upon themselves to claim him as one of their own. In case "the Left" didn't get the message, Obama wrapped the insulting rejection in a Zanesville, Ohio speech announcing his "faith-based" appeal to Reagan Democrats and Bush Republicans.
But the most important reason that "Progressives for Obama" should have never existed is its utter lack of content. Leftists attempted to impose themselves on an electoral campaign where they were not wanted, and yet persisted in identifying with an organization over which they had no control, no ability to provide content. It was a game of make-believe, that has run its illogical course. Frankly, the project can also be seen as an act of opportunism, an attempt to graft the Left onto a corporate campaign that at some point must eject it like a foreign body.
If it were just that lonely Lefties, tired of fighting in a thoroughly corporate-saturated political culture, simply wanted to hitch a ride with the younger Obamite crowd, they might be forgiven. But these veteran progressives deployed their reputations to spread falsehoods that they knew to be untrue. They provided a veneer of progressive credibility to a candidate who was nothing of the kind.
We were subjected to ideological nonsense such as: the Obama campaign is inherently progressive because it has excited millions of new potential voters. Therefore, progressives must publicly identify with Obama, take care to be seen as allies, and never do or say anything that might harm his candidacy. We were even told that the excitement surrounding Obama constituted a "movement." But of course, there was never a social movement that was devoid of content, and excitement is a politically neutral quality that can be generated by the Left or the Right - or in wholly apolitical circumstances.

You have consistently predicted Obama's failure because you see him as having "no CV and no content." These predictions have been wrong every time. That's call underestimation.

You are still predicting his failure for the same reasons and hungrily await a mythical moment when the blinders will fall off the eyes of his supporters. But I reiterate: you expect him to fail because you do not understand why people support him. You will continue to make false predictions until you stop projecting rationalizations onto intelligent people and begin to listen to them.

Some of us were just anti-Hillary.

If she'd just run on economic issues particularly health care and ditched the Maggie Thatcher routine, she'd have won the nomination.

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"What has irked me most about Obama critics throughout the primary season has been the condescending dismissiveness."

Well put: condescending dismissiveness.

I think we need to remind critics that sneering is not an argument.

This stereotyped "empty suit" meme is almost an article of faith, as I can't see any factual basis for it.

I have been telling you guys this stuff for weeks and I've been called everything but pretty in exchange... But I think I'm not nearly as lonely out here as I was.

No one here has called you names. The name calling is all being done by you towards Obama and us who will vote for him. The name calling is all one directional from you to us. Fucking own it! Have some self respect! When we defend Obama, you equate that with name calling. LOL! You come here to feel insulted. Own it!

The only one gagging here, is you. The "Kool-Aid" is of your own making, you are the only one drinking it.

You have 18 million friends sir.

NO!!!


Are you baaaack?!!!!


Oh, my heart cannot take it!!! ;)

I missed you!!! {{{smooch}}}

Thanks.

Where did everybody go?

Did Obama lose em?

Heh. Obama did not lose them/us. Where've you been? We need you to bolster and unite the pro-Obama factions. Come back!

I can see why you'd want to cavort with losers like Seaton because it gives us the hives. But gotalife, this ugly absconder lives somewhere over the pond, not here. He's not invested in the daily lives of Americans and yet he deigns to lecture us from afar. [insert expletive] But what of you? What do you think of his phrase "dark skin disguise?" I've never known you to be a racist before. It's also true that I did not and still do not read EC everyday. What say you, gotalife, about that ugly phrase? Say that you think it's vile. Say it.

No, most Hillary supporters are not inarticulate hatemongers like David ("dark skin disguise") Seaton or yourself.

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David,
I agree with Genghis. You've reduced Obama and his supporters to one-sided caricatures.

Incidentally, the guy you quote for support of your point of view, Kass. is forever trying to get Obama to oppose corrupt politicians in Chicago. Kass, and I guess you too, want him to speak out, to be the John Wayne kind of reformer--another caricature.

Kass seems to reveal the motivation for this pressure when, in the same article quoted above, he says,

As a candidate, Obama will do what he has to do to win. My argument is not with him--but with the national political media pack that refuses to look closely at what Chicago is. They're fixated on whit it was, and they think it's clean now.

It makes about as much sense to fault people for not going after the Mafia, knowing that going after the Mafia, in a land governed by laws, is a full time job. There's the sticky little issue of proof. Moreover, Daley has a lot of little folks who are not corrupt supporting him, average Joes. Short of launching an investigation, how's Obama supposed to reform Chicago politics?

David, you just don't seem to have thought through the criticisms you're making. They seem aburd.

I think I have heard the D. Seaton Obama blues enough times over the past several months to volunteer this rendition. Imagine David hunched over a guitar in a dark Spanish cafe:

He's a bum,
He's a hack,
Not even really black -
I do so love to attack
Barack Obama.

Got no center,
Got no story,
Living on projected glory -
Makes me miss my dear Al Gore -
Barack Obama.

He's a nothing,
Not nobody,
Probably called his granny "whitey" -
But his wife is kinda hot -
Barack Obama.

Thanks for that, ttarleton. I just choked on my soda, and now have delightfully carbonated nostrils (I think "Carbonated Nostrils" would be a pretty good band name).

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That was great! Very creative and true. Thanks!

it's the reductio ad koolaideum

Evidently, old age doesn't always bring wisdom...

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John Kass is a self admitted Conservative Republican who writes a column for the Conservative Paper; the Chicago Tribune.

What a shocker that such a person has critical things to say about a Democratic Senator from Illinois. For the record; Kass has given Bush/Cheney a complete pass. That should tell you all you need to know about how much credibility you should give to John Kass.

Please drink more Kool-Aid. Maybe next time your gagging will turn to asphyxiation.

great lead in the caption.

I see more polls indicating that Obama and the democrats blundered.

But you know I actually wonder if the Dems just want both houses and a Prez they can blame for everything?

I wonder if there was focus groups on the fisa issue with independents and libertarians.

Lou Dobbs savages Obama nightly and has done so for quite some time, but... the attitude was if Obama would take up for civil rights and be the catalyst for a swing back from the police state, that the independents and libertarians would support him over McCain.

I think that rational or option in the wake of the FISA vote is over, and your correct, it is Obama's election to lose, and he might have set the stage to do so.

I also don't get the criticism of blacks on the family thing, I mean I agree in most part to what Bill Cosby says, and eucated black person states, but badgering the black community is not going to court favor with Klansman, again, it seems that Obama has a tendency to forget who brought him to the dance.

I don't "get" Obama, after playing a web based new style approach it is as if he hired old people to follow a script of politics that seems to be backfiring, he needs better advisors, or to follow his own instinct.

That above statement, follow his own instinct is what some feel is a McCain weakness, his ability to go townhall.. but at least McCain doesn't make organizational blunders and stick to them.. very nimble philosophy and even a decentralized approach to recently..

Oh Ms. Fake-Old-Lady troll, you sure are doing a lot of inarticulate rambling. Are you drunk, or just tired? Why don't you climb a ladder up to your roof, sit on the peak, and howl at the moon?

Yup.

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