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Dear Josh Marshall: You make no sense
TPM founder Joshuah Micah Marshall said yesterday that the new McCain ad--comparing Obama to celebrities Britnay Spears and Paris Hilton-- sought to imply that Obama has a "taste for young white women."
Of course, Marshall did not provide any reasoning whatsoever to explain how he came to that conclusion, or where in the ad the possibility of Obama being attracted to white women is even hinted. Go ahead, readers. See the ad and be your own judge.
Inventing this kind of BS worked against Hillary Clinton, because virtually everyone in the media, left, center and right, hated her, and refused to ask the likes of Marshall to lay out the premises behind their arguments.
But these are not the primaries. The corporate media no longer feels compelled to play dumb, since Marshall's target is their beloved John McCain, not Clinton.
Washington Post's media critic Howard Kurtz, for instance, found Marshall's remark puzzling:
But isn't the McCain camp mockingly comparing Obama to the likes of Britney Spears, rather than implying that he likes to hang with starlets?
Again, Marshall should start make sense, since his comments will be scrutinized this time around. McCain is not a Clinton.



Comments (173)
There you go, kid.
That's a good, tough, well-reasoned post...so be prepared to be either ignored or vilified.
July 31, 2008 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
How was Josh Marshall remotely responsible for "BS" that was invented about Hillary?
Why did the McCain camp choose these two particular celebrities? They are both young white women with a reputation for sexual promiscuity. Gee, I wonder.
August 1, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently a false prediction on both counts
August 1, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's a dumb, false, poorly reasoned post. Does that qualify as vilification?
August 1, 2008 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another drive-by bit of foolishness, with no response from the writer for almost 20 hours. Reminds me of E.J. Graff.
August 1, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not a drive-by. The writer is truthseeker, and he did respond below.
August 1, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only reason that Paris and Britney are in an ad about Obama is to play on deep-seated fears of black male sexuality.
They're not *comparing* Obama to these two women. They are suggesting that he wants to, or is, copulating with them.
It's not logical, it's emotional That's how ads work. And this one, thanks to its vile and subterranean racism, is working very well.
Part of the genius of this sort of thing is that some of those most deeply affected by it are not even aware of what they are reacting to.
How about you, Andrew? Are you more or less likely to vote for Obama after watching this ad?
August 1, 2008 12:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
So because a picture of Britnay, then one of Paris, and then one of Obama are shown, it is clear that we are being told that Obama is sexually attracted to them? That, my friend, is a very weak argument.
And of course Obama's ability to attract huge crowds is being compared to the same skill possessed by Britnay and Paris. They all attrackt crowds, and you can see in the ad how these crowds are the central theme.
You are getting too "subliminal" on us.
August 1, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why did they pick Britney and Paris, and not Brad Pitt or Beyonce?
August 1, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you serious? Paris Hilton's dad is a McCain supporter.
August 1, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why would they have to pick the celebrities you want them to pic? It' their ad. And no matter how many porn videos Paris has made, she is not shown flirting with Obama or interacting with him in any way. And Britnay is known for her songs, not her promiscuity.
August 2, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
They originally wanted to use Amy Winehouse for the international effect, but thought playing the Drug Card would be a step too far.
August 1, 2008 2:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Washington Post's media critic Howard Kurtz, for instance, found Marshall's remark puzzling.
Well there's a shocker.
Howard Kurtz is still trying to figure out how those coin changers can tell a dollar bill from a piece of paper.
Tool.
August 1, 2008 3:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Spears and Hilton are not on most of the recent Top 10 lists from the leading Entertainment mags. They're "old" news in the entertainment biz.
If the point was to highlight the "celebrity" aspect, why wouldn't they choose the biggest celebrities of today, like Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, or George Clooney or any of the others that make up the Top 10 lists?
McCain't instead chooses two young, melanin-deficient, hyper-sexualized woman, mixed with several shots that oddly emphasize the monument Obama spoke in front of.
Draw your own conclusions.
August 1, 2008 6:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
George Clooney is big today?
I don't think McCain was trying to build up Obama. He was comparing Obama to fizzled out flash-in-the-pan ditzes. He could have chosen Ricky Martin for a "where are they now" moment, but Paris and Britney do bring rehab, mental institution and jailhouse meltdowns to make the comparison more sordid.
August 1, 2008 7:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
George Clooney doesn't fit the strategy. But if we were doing the same thing to McCain, for instance, we might use Rosemary Clooney.
August 1, 2008 7:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Alex, you're being exceptionally mean today. I like it.
August 1, 2008 8:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Um, Rosemary Clooney was a big Bobby Kennedy fan. She was present when he was assassinated and had a nervous breakdown because of it. George Clooney has nothing but respect for his aunt, and the torch singer in Good Night and Good Luck was an obvious homage to Rosemary.
So, it's not meanness on Alex's part, it's just plain ignorance.
August 1, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent post.
Both Clooneys are American pop culture at its very best.
August 1, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
The white women meme is bush league stuff. I think it's pretty outrageous to suggest that the juxtaposition of a black man with white women is designed to evoke some kind of latent fear of the black man. That's just plain nuts. Sophomoric. Wet. Bush. I'm at a loss for words, Dr. Freud.
August 1, 2008 8:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's funny, there's so much inanity going around. Yesterday someone was pointing out a Kos Diary that noted how amazing it was at the Harvard Law Review in 1992, a black man and a white woman actually working together!!! (I think they called it "an incongruous team" or something.) Perhaps people should turn off their TVs and PCs and get out more.
August 1, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with you. I am disappointed by Josh Marshall on that, I thought he was savvier about current culture, I found it very clueless. Shocking almost, really clueless. (It's not even Bush league because Bush works with Condi Rice every day--heck in the last two conventions the GOP went out of their way to find token faces of color.) Yes, of course, there are still people that would react like Josh thinks in this country, but they are not the ones that need to be targeted with advertising, their votes are decided and firm, no one but an idiot would be wasting time pandering to them.
August 1, 2008 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're absolutely correct, Lamont. Thanks. McCain doesn't have money to waste like Obama does. He's going after undecideds.
August 1, 2008 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Undecided white fathers with young daughters.
August 1, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
We have to be careful not to project our own hangups onto the general electorate. This is the 21st Century for chrissakes.
August 1, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not a hangup I have.
If you don't think that dynamic exists in the 21st Century, you need to travel around America.
August 1, 2008 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I travel around America a lot. Have for a long time. It may be in your mind, but you want to be careful about projecting it on to America in general. Sounds like you're looking for an excuse to lose.
August 1, 2008 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
That dog whistle was meant for real hounddawgs and not for one-testicled yappy beltway show poodles like Howie Putz.
August 1, 2008 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nonsense. If McCain doesn't have the racist vote yet, this sure ain't going to do it.
It's related to the Hollywood liberal thing, a new version, and its meant to turn Appalachian type working class and swings off of Obama for that reason. It's the same thing as would you have a beer with this guy, would this guy have a beer with you, etc.
August 1, 2008 9:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
It makes a lot of sense to believe that the Republican innuendo machine is engaging in racial innuendo when it unnecessarily juxtaposes the images of white female sex symbols with that of a black candidate.
It also makes a lot of sense that they would bury such innuendo under another more overt message. This is the way it has always been done. This is the way advertising of all sorts, not just political, works.
August 1, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the fact that someone even wrote this blog entry with a straight face (I guess) on TPM shows that it works.
August 1, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are correct. If some here want to duck their head in the sand about the unspoken racial fears that McCain is trying to stoke then God heal them. The GOP is playing to base fears of black male sexuality but it appears that some here are just to uncomfortable to acknowledge that. Too bad....they are missing the real point of these ads.
Hey for the doubters maybe we should ask Senator Harold Ford, Jr of Tennessee. Oops I forgot he lost after the "Call me Harold" ads which of course had nothing to do with stoking white fears of black male sexuality (snark).
August 1, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Harold Ford ad was TRASPARENTLY playing on the white women angle. That is my point. There was absolutely no purpose other than to stoke racial tensions. It was supposed to be a triple-edged sword targeted at: white men scared of black men after their women; some blacks in genenral questioning if Harold Ford was black enough; some black women in particular who view a black man dating a white woman as a sell-out.
The ad was the lowest of the low. The McCain ad cannot be fairly compared with it in the same breath.
Are there some people who get that black men - white women subtext? Perhaps and guess what - they weren't voting for Obama anyway because they are racist.
So do we react to the more overt message that Obama is all flash but not substance? That's the overt message that any reasonable person who views that ad is going to see. It's a double win for McCain because the flap is focused on racism (which not everyone sees in the ad), and it gives him the chance to portray Obama (and his supporters) as playing the race card.
The danger is that the overtly racist attacks are coming - whether from the McCain camp or an outside entity. People will be less willing to hear the outcry when we cry foul over something as silly as this ad.
This argument helps McCain - not Obama. We should be focusing on substance not race.
Britny &
August 1, 2008 10:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I dunno - this ad isn't as blatant as the Ford ad, but I think that's what makes it worse.
The Ford ad was pretty obvious, which meant that the racial message was quickly called out and make explicit almost immediately. This ad is very much not obviously doing the racist dog whistle thing. But after watching it a few times, I think that the implicit associations are there, and because they are so tenuous and hard to pin down, they are probably more effective in priming racial anxieties in Americans who, if they got the message explicitly, would repudiate it. In fact, there some evidence that people who were pretty racist on the surface rejected the Willie Horton ads after Jesse Jackson made the racial undertones explicit.
So I'd say that the Ford ad was hamfisted, and would never have worked in a national election. The "Celebrity" ad is very likely an indication that those who play dogwhistle politics have learned to do "Call Me" better.
August 2, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, this time it wasn't a dog whistle.
August 1, 2008 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did someone call me? Or was that a wolf whistle?
August 1, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Josh Marshall wants to make an ass of himself, let him. From what I've seen, whenever someone calls him on it, he only digs his heels in. Once again, he's not only wrong but whack.
Josh wrote:
Notice how Josh creates a nifty escape hatch in case he's wrong: by saying his theory will be disputed during the campaign, and only after it's all over will people come around to seeing it his way.
Not likely.
I guess Josh forgets that Harold Ford Jr. killed his own campaign without any help from the Republicans.
The ad against Ford was based on a highly publicized story about Ford's attendance at a Playboy Super Bowl Party. When Ford was asked about it by the press, he said, "I like football and I like girls. I don't make any apologies for that."
Oh, whoops! Of course the opposition is going to capitalize on when the church-going opponent says stupid shit. That's how the game works.
McCain's Britney-Paris ad does not sexualize Britney or Paris or anyone else. It stays strictly on message because of the background audio: the chanting of O-ba-ma! throughout the entire clip. The message is: Do you want a rock star for president?
Most people will answer no.
The Dems are really quite talented at losing.
August 1, 2008 9:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
We get a lot of help from our leading Progressive bloggers. Now Josh has invented the dog whistle that only he can hear. My first thought is sex deprivation. It's a fact that the less sex you have the more likely you are to read sexual symbolism into everything. We need to get our thought leaders laid.
August 1, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL! Those were my thoughts exactly!
August 1, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
What's wrong with that response? Most pundits thought it was the best response of the 2006 election. It's not his fault that the GOP ran sleazy ads about him.
August 1, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's "wrong" with the response is that up to that point Ford had been presenting himself as a church-going choir boy, and the statement seemed to contradict that image of purity. In addition, lots of people were very pissed off that he had filmed this campaign ad in a church. You know, "separation of church and state"?
August 1, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone who thinks separation of church and state means that you can film a political ad in a church is pretty far out there.
He went to the party. What was he supposed to say? He said he likes girls, so what? You can go to church every Sunday AND like girls. And football. He didn't say he wanted to steal all the white women or whatever you think his seven word statement implied.
August 1, 2008 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look, I don't live in Tennessee, so don't blame me for what other people think. I'm telling you the chronology of events, period. Stop assuming my generosity is unlimited.
Harold Ford lost. A Republican won. What is it you don't understand about what went down? Because of Ford's loss, by the way, Democrats did not actually have a majority in the Senate.
August 1, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, Des. I may have killed the thread.
August 1, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
You too, Andrew. Apologies for mixing you up with Des. And dee dee, I always agree with you. Especially when you point out how stupid, Des' comments are.
August 1, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
This post would never get enough recommends because it's critical of Josh. We must always reserve space on the Rec List for MsJoanne (2) and quinn (2) and Connie Manes (1, so far).
Maybe Andrew can write a new post soliciting funds from Obamanauts to pay for a babysitter for Josh and his wife so they can have a romantic evening all to themselves for a change.
August 1, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL. I may have to spend the day wandering from Starbucks to Starbucks, recommending this post under my many famous pseudonyms.
August 1, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hell gasket, since I barely have enough material to fill one space a month, feel free to take the open one, eh? In fact, take 'em both - the sun's finally come out. If I need one for some burning issue, guess I'll just have to go head-to-head with Captain Cauliflower.
August 1, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's true, quinn, you barely have enough material. What was your point with the age thing anyway? You compared Obama's age to a pair of neocons, Blair and Harper!
When you don't give people something real to work with, the thread disintegrates into white noise. Then your half-baked post sits there taking up space. It's frustrating.
I don't have time to write a post myself, I'm too busy insulting people to keep them from writing so much crap. I'm fed up.
August 1, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're smart as hell gasket, and a good writer. You're also fed up. But maybe being fed up can lead a person to not see some of what's there, or what's between the lines. I compared Obama to the 2 neo-cons? Yes. But also to 2 other newbies - Miliband & Cameron. Who share a lot of similarities. The myopic focus on Obama-as-one-of-a-kind, by friend & foe, loses pretty much all perspective. and that's bad news for him & Dems. And between the lines - til I put it in the comments - was that Hillary is quite similar to Brown & Martin. And the failure of that group of politicians pisses me off - cause they had & HAVE a lot of talent. But none coped well with recent changes in the game. Might be worth thinking about why they failed at certain steps, and what changes they & that generation need to make.
As for your insults, hey, like I said - you're a good writer & smart. If you wanna chat, that's fine - just talk to me. Insult the posters or the commenters if you want - but leave the other stuff out, if that's ok. And then post something again, willya? Seriously. This place needs good stuff.
August 1, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hell no, Billy - you *made* the thread. I wasn't around to stoke the fires.
August 3, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you wish to be kept informed on the latest Paris Hilton and Britney Spears gossip, then vote for McCain.
Joan Rivers McCain has crossed The Gossip Girl In Chief Threshold.
August 1, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's called the power of suggestion.
Why are there half-naked women in beer commercials? Why does Abercrombie & Fitch have to have naked teenager-like models in their catalog to sell CLOTHING???
Sex in advertising works when it is done tastefully. McCain's crew uses the distasteful choice of celebrities such as Paris and Britany--both known form their steamy crotches--and places them with a black man.
What does it suggest to you?
I also notice the phallus symbols in the ad--the tower in Germany and the Washington Monument.
It may not have been intentional but the symbolism is there.
August 1, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
The ad, narrated by a woman, uses the words:
1) He's the biggest
2) drilling
3) raise
It's clearly all about sex.
But if so, wouldn't this then be an ad that shows Obama in a favorable light? If you know what I mean.
August 1, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Favorable for who? McCain? Yes. Obama? No.
It's clearly not all about sex, but you wouldn't believe how incorporating sex into an advertisement can be used for and against a "product" and how it can make a difference without much effort. In this case, Obama is the product. And while Britney and Paris probably have millions of fans there are still enough conservatives that believe their celebrity sexuality are influencing and ruining their kids (or grandkids). And here Obama is not only associating with them as well as perched on their celebrity level.
August 1, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I meant favorable to Obama. By sexing him up.
August 1, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
You may be on to something there. But I dunno. This type of claim, in absence of further evidence (as in other similar ads), requires a lot of assumptions.
Don't get me wrong, I'd gladly throw a rock at McCain if I saw him in person. But this isn't the reason why. (Just kidding about the rock. Kind of.)
August 1, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Years ago when I first entered college I thought I wanted to be in mass communications (advertising) and took some classes. There is a reason why ad agencies make millions from their clients--they know what sells. Like I said before, normally, advertising campaigns intentionally place sex tastefully in an advertisement to draw your attention, please see: http://hotandnerdy.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/hn-dg-ad.jpg
http://swissmiss.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/at_first_glance_1_4.jpg
These ads are made for men, obviously. But it works without going over the edge, IMO.
I'm no expert, but I am ruined for life. I can no longer look at advertisements without critiquing them for their sexual content.
August 1, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
My prescription for your malady is upstream. Good night and good luck.
August 1, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
tonalli is right. The fact is Republicans, and their supporters, are obsessed with sex and the female reproductive tract specifically.
Republicans get engrossed about gays, gay marriage, abortion, contraception, and even polygamy thrives in deep red conservative parts of the country.
Any time Republicans put white pussy into an ad with a black man, the sexual connotations are as clear as day.
August 1, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
To you at least. But wait a minute. What does that make you? A Republican?
August 1, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Note how you cite two expamples of naked women, ignoring that Paris and Britnay are shown fully clothed and not interacting with Obama in any way.
Those who seek to paint this ad as racist are being overly analytical.
August 2, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Andrew:
I totally agree, Andrew. There is so much so very wrong with the "celebrity" ad -- Joe Klein put it very well: we have two wars, a housing crisis, an economy in shambles, and THIS is the campaign McCain wants to run???!!! -- but Marshall is just MAKING THINGS UP, so eager he is to play the race card.And this is exactly the sort of commentary we saw from the likes of Marshall and Olbermann and 90% of the liberal bloggers during the primaries against Bill and Hillary Clinton. They should be ashamed of themselves. It was disgusting against the Clintons, and now it's depressing against "McCain and the Republicans".
And no, tonalli, it's not "called the power of suggestion." By putting Britney and Paris in the ad (a horrible decision, by the way), the McCain camp means to suggest that Obama is vacuous, presumptuous, lacking substance, and attempting to use celebrity status to win the White House. Britney and Paris's race seem to be completely incidental -- and, btw, if McCain had picked black celebrities the outcry of "race baiting" would have been just as fierce -- and in NO reasonable way is there a suggestion that the ad implies that Obama DESIRES white women.
And, I never thought I'd hear myself saying it, on Obama and his supporters like Marshall playing the "race card" issue illegitimately, I think the McCain camp is right. I hope they extinguish this false fire.
August 1, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
And now Josh is running a blurb that says an ABC "handline" says Obama camp admits they played the race card!
How crazy can this get? How the hell do you come back from an admission that you played the race card in the 21st Century? Now everybody can see clearly how they ran this game on Clinton. They forgot McCain is a Republican with a conservative base and that he's been itching for this fight. He was totally energized behind this stuff today.
They are sticking it to Obama all over the web today.
http://www.johnmccain.com/videolanding/theone.htm
This is the kind of snark McCain loves. Obama better get a sense of humor fast!
August 1, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
But look at it this way--how many politicians have admitted to accusing an apponent of something they didn't do? Obama is coming forward and stating his error unlike no other politician and saying yes, "I was referring to my race" not the McCain camp--ingenious. Not only is he honest, he's showing he is accountable for his actions, and refreshingly STILL stating the truth of the matter; that he does not look like the other white men on our currency.
August 1, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do believe you've seen that light.
August 1, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's not admitting to "playing the race card," which has a specific meaning.
The McCain ONE video makes Obama look good. It's not really an ad, since they aren't going to pay to run it.
Anyway, this McCain ad actually PUT OBAMA'S FACE ON MONEY! WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT IT?!?!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDTJDv4hevU
Oh, well. No one's talking about this Obama ad either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPPLSHKH0h4
It's theme is PAST, SAME, OLD, FAILED.
August 1, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's why I think evoking Britney and Paris has racial undertones -- if the Britney/Paris ad were an ad about McCain or any number of other politicians, the response would probably be a lot of head scratching -- and not because McCain has so much "substance." (He does not.) It would be a head-scratcher because, even though he left his first wife for an heiress and has since banged a lobbyist or two, he's regarded as a sexually neutral old white guy.
In connection with Obama, however, there's a sexual charge to the ad. Why is that? He's certainly squeakier clean than McCain, so it's not any rumors afoot. He's young (relatively speaking). He's attractive and fit but not in an overtly sexual way. And he's black. That's the racial stereotype. It's just there. You put a couple of sexually preening young white women next to a black man, and you get a sexual charge. That's our culture.
And, while those posting here that JMM is wrong may be too unattuned to our cultural history to recognize that, you can rest assured that Karl Rove and his minions are not.
August 1, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh come on. You guys need to read my suggestion upthread. Get a sense of humor or get laid. But hey! In the latest lampoon, Moses has a big rod and the Red Sea parts. Pretty sexy stuff. LMFAO.
http://www.johnmccain.com/videolanding/theone.htm
August 1, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your suggestion is offensive, and there's obviously no need for you to make it to every commenter with whom you disagree.
August 1, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Offensive? Recommending sex as a cure to fixation on non-existent sexual memes is offensive? Sex is offensive? What kind of Democrat are you?
August 1, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uptight.
August 1, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's there.
If you're going to make a television advertisement that appeals to racism, you have to hide your tracks. For that reason, the ad makes its suggestions visually and not verbally.
For some segment of the population, the juxtaposition of a black man with two highly sexualized women will have instantaneously recognizable associations.
It's unlikely that someone who reads Talkingpointsmemo is among that segment of the population, but large numbers of low information Americans -- voters -- were raised in a world where anxieties about black sexuality were far more prevalent and foreceful than they are today.
This ad is meant to freak those people out.
Pretend you're a sixty-five year old voter in Ohio who traditionally votes democratic.
Now watch the add with the sound off.
August 1, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, you can't watch the ad with the sound off. No one does that in real life. You have to analyze the ad like it exists in the real world. The sound of the chanting of Obama's name and the flashes going off is part of the overall message of brain-dead celebrity.
August 1, 2008 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Behold his mighty hand! I'm sorry. It's funny!
August 1, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whose mighty hand are you talking about? The mighty hand of John McCain which is now completely severed from the tattered remains of his integrity and soul?
Oh. That mighty hand. Yeah, that's funny all right.
August 1, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
And that blooooooody "Possumus Seal" appears in the middle of the waters, and then again at the end. It's a good bit by McCain, and the Obama campaign better get to work on puncturing the pomposity, pronto. That "race card" debate just makes 'em look more pompous. Somebody get Axelrod into a bar, fast.
August 1, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, yes. The possumus seal. They have obviously decided to ridicule him to deprive him of his essential gravitas. And what is really rich is on the front page Marshall is still beating the "they're trying to make Barack scary" drum. Catch up, Josh. They're trying to make him foolish! I promise you. I know where these guys come from. If Rove is involved, it is going to get a lot worse. Having been made fun of about as much as anyone at this site, maybe I should give the only only some advice.
August 1, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Precisely! Good wording.
August 1, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice fine point on the ad, quinn. :-)
August 1, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's very clear to me as well that the ad is not about race, it's about the rock star thing. Not only that, I remembered reading that this has already been researched, it's known it hurts Obama with swings, it's one of big his weak points with swings.
I remembered that pollster analyst Charlie Cook in a July 12 article noted it:
August 1, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's very clear to me that it's about more than one thing. Britney and Paris are not rock stars. They're barely even stars any more.
Yes, Britney and Paris are airheads, and that's part of it too. But it's the racial charge that drives the message home and makes it stick in the minds of those low information voters timothysull mentioned.
And just because you apparently think the ad can only be about one thing doesn't mean Karl Rove thinks that way.
August 1, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
If this is from Karl Rove you hit the nail on the head. In 2000, didn't he portray McCain as "the fag candidate"? Didn't he accuse McCain's daughter of being a product of his love affair with a black prostitute?
Rove's a perv from the word go-go!
August 1, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huh? I didn't know Karl Rove produced this ad.
August 2, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, if ABC is running headlines that say Obama admits he played the race card, the base may have to pause for a breath or two. Pretty funny stuff. I'm beginning to remember why 4 years ago McCain was arguably the best liked and respected politician in America. I know you don't agree, but I think McCain now has the surge, the low casualty count, offshore drilling and Obama's pomposity going for him.
August 1, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this kind of voter is also mighty p.o.'d at being lied into the wrong war. Surge schmerge, surge IS Bush, they hate Bush and are tired of policing Iraq: "deceived," "disgusted," and "horrific" in describing Bush's performance.
Don't you think it mighty suspicious that Obama surrogate John Kerry is giving speeches on reframing anti-terror and then blogging about it right after to create more buzz, and even mentioning the Britney Spears ad in his post:
The successful counterattack with these swings is to hang Bush's Iraq war around McCain's neck. Kerry is helping out, perhaps with instructions straight from the campaign.
(Hey, is that more evidence that Josh Marshall doesn't read most TPMCafe posts, even when they are a request from Senators backing the presidential candidate to use his space to promote something that happens to mention an opposing campaign ad? :-))
August 1, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
p.s. Like I said on your other thread, I think if McCain keeps pounding on the surge issue, he will lose, labeling himself as Bush II. Actually, if it's true he has acquired more knowledgeable advice lately, I suspect he may stop pounding on it.
August 1, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink