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Why I Love It Here

This week, more than ever, I've been wondering to myself (sometimes aloud, sometimes silently) why do I love it here at TPM so much?  Why am I a TPMAholic?  For more about TPMaholics Not-So-Anonymous, look us up at www.barackobama.com under Groups.  Or, alternatively, search posts by CaliforniaPaige and Genghis and, while you're viewing all of their posts, feel free to buy someone a beer.

God, I wish I knew how to use the buttons on the top of this freakin post page.  The comment page is so much easier.  I have gotten <i>so</i> used to those distracting little html code thingies.  But, I digress.

Why do I love it here?  Why, when sometimes I get bashed over the head or in the nose and sometimes even my kneecaps (with a bat, no less), do I choose to come back here, almost daily, for more punishment?

Because I love the fact that each of us loves politics.

We're addicted to politics.  We eat, sleep, and breathe politics.  We talk politics, we walk politics, we use the Chicago-style, elbow-jabbing, this is MY fucking court, politics. 

Our conversations range from gasoline, energy, human rights, the Constitution, institutions, absolutions, to Obama and McCain. 

But it's not just the politics we're addicted to.  It's the people.  We range from IT nerds to lawyers to housewives to social workers.  We all have voices and perspectives and we love to share our knowledge.  We also love to bat each other around like mice in a slim cat's clutches, but we always stand up, dust ourselves off, and get right back into the ring again. 

Unless we're banned.

And then we just create new user names (if we haven't already got two or three others under our hats -- and no, I don't post under any other name, just so you know) and we go right back at it again, waving our flags, shouting our points of view, shouting down each other like Chris Matthews and his merry band of loud people who don't listen to each other, until someone accidently spits or gets flustered. 

Meanwhile, all the time exposing more and more of ourselves to each other.  Our weaknesses, our soft spots, our unexpected kindnesses -- our cruel moments.  And we still come back for more.  Because it's better than General Hospital in the Luke and Laura days.  It's better than Who Shot J.R.  Okay, I'm showing my age now.  But, I digress.

What I mean is, we're all different, but we're all beautiful.  Our own little human unique snowflakes.  Who sometimes melt down softly, or stay frozen and cold and rather sharp to the vulnerable un-scarfed part of your face that's exposed to snow in harsh, bitter wind.  Depending on our mood, or the news of the day, or -- usually both.

I love all of your points of view, even though I don't always agree with them.  I love the passion that all of you have.  I love the fact that so many people are willing to share what they know to a bunch of strangers across the world.  I love this place.

Thanks.


Comments (109)

Wow.

There's some poetry here that makes a moving theme even more so:

We also love to bat each other around like mice in a slim cat's clutches ...

You sorta mixed your metaphors after that, but that's a very nice phrase.

Our own little human unique snowflakes. Who sometimes melt down softly, or stay frozen and cold and rather sharp to the vulnerable un-scarfed part of your face that's exposed to snow in harsh, bitter wind.

Wow. Just fucking wow.

Wreckomended. ;-)

(And I was first to do so. So there!)

Yeah, I know what you mean about my metaphors. I sometimes lose the plot. So, thanks to you, I'm now picturing cats and mice in a boxing ring.

It's not pretty.

But, I have to say, I'm amazed they can make silk boxer shorts that small.

[drunken]

I LOVE YOU, MAN.

NO REALLY...

Like...

I REALLY REALLY REALLY MEAN IT. You're alrck, alrck, alr-okay by me.

Sheriously, no-no-no don' shake your head. I MEAN IT.

YER ONE OF THE GOOD ONES, DUDE.
SHERIOUS-SSSSERIOUSLY. FER REAL.

Now...

Where was I...

Ah, nevermin'. Jus' get outta here an' lemme get some shlee-ssssssleep.

G'nite.

Oops. Shorry.

Fergot t' close my "drunken" tag.

I LOVE YOU, MAN!!!

...

G'nite.
[/drunken]

(closes one eye, tilts head to the side -- this, in order not to see double):

Do I know you?

LisB?

Bearded man with glasses looking pensively into the distance, otherwise as known as (squinting eyes, holding onto table to stop self from swaying, tilting head to one side) BallRag? I'm shhorry, I'm sheeing double.

LisB?

...

...

LisB's not here.

Sorry. I had to go to bed.

Ding ding ding!! FIRST!! And you wreck-o-mended my post!! Awesome. Seriously, thank you.

Just wait til the rabbit-bunny-thing comes racin' through here trying to catch Billy G - so much so them snowflakes. Sooner or later, someone's gonna hold up a frying pan as he roars round the corner, and....

Don't worry. It was a science experiment, and I'm sorry I had to subject others to it, but there was truly no other way. Won't happen again.

Snowflakes bloodied by the killer catbunny's exploits... I can just see it.

Hah. Very nice, Lis. And thanks for the mybo and beer plugs!

And speaking of plugs, it seems like it's time to metion this again:

We're (that's the TPM-aholics group Lis mentioned above) still planning a fundraiser on July 19th. It'll be houseparties all over the country with a call-in from a super fantastic special guest (yes, that means we're still working on who, exactly, that will be.) There are about a dozen cities with parties planned, but plenty without. (Chicago? LA?) Get in touch with me or Genghis if you're like to participate.

As far as the rest of your post... I'm a recent junkie. Got hooked on the primary drama and suddenly couldn't stop learning more, gathering more data. But at the peak of my madness, I realized I was coming here, to the TPM reader's corner, before anywhere else. Why? Not to get the latest news; that was easy to find. No, it was to get the latest debate about the latest news. And becuase the debate here is flavored by real people with strange and interesting perspectives, not to mention rivalries and friendships, the discussions are about 1,000 times more interesting than anything on the network news. This place is the wood-fired brick oven bread to the rest of the world's Wonderbread.

And becuase the debate here is flavored by real people with strange and interesting perspectives, not to mention rivalries and friendships, the discussions are about 1,000 times more interesting than anything on the network news. This place is the wood-fired brick oven bread to the rest of the world's Wonderbread.

Garoooovy!

Well put, Paige! And, yeah, I know, you taught me how to do the links to the TPM-Aholics group but I still can't quite get it right. Thanks for reminding everybody about the 19th. I'm going to Brooklyn with workerbee and I'm gonna meet Genghis and bslev and I don't know who all else. I can't wait!

Hye Lis, how do you register for the Brooklyn event?

Yes, dijamo: Scroll down to Genghis' comment below. You can't miss it. His shirt is blinking and beckoning like a neon bar sign in Manhattan at night. Would love it if you could join us. I promise to play nice, lol.

Dijamo, please do join the TPM-aholics group (if you haven't yet) from Genghis' link below. But just to be clear: there isn't any way to "register" for the Brooklyn event -- yet. When the details are finalized, we'll send out more information to members of TPM-aholics, set up a "event" on my.barackobama.com and post for information on this site.

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Hi Lis,

a few days away trying to pay the rent AND getting tore-adopt our last puppy because - she unrepentantly [sp?] chases squrrels and doves and chipmonks [oops! a no-no for seeing eye] so we were #1 on the 'adopt-Fernie-poo' list.

[altho seeing eye says she's a flunkie, she's a #1 primo winner in my heart]

won't be on site very much to comment due to the exigencies of being a solo practitioner - not to mention, dismay at the FISA mess - and the $8000k average paid by the TelCom PACS tp the 94 House Members who 'decided' to change their vote in the last two months - all with the imprimatur of my formerly beloved candidate Barack.

but up worrying in the middle of the night about a case [family law] and HAD to check out the politics on TPM :):):) so ran across your post and wanted to send regards and a REC hug.

ALSO - checked out Calif Paige's beer page and a WILL i WILL get their and do beers when all settles down later this summer
so KUDOs to you Lis and to You CalifPaige and all the diarists whose writings i LOVE to read
-anonymous, aka Brahms, puppy -and- kittie lover

Congratulations on the extension of your family. Fernie-poo sounds like a real kick!

Lovely post (as usual), LisB. The are few groups of people on the Internet who are more engaging, enraging, provocative, intelligent and warm than this one. Now, if only Josh could figure out a way to put in a few taps or an espresso machine or something...

Lovely ears, as usual, Hrebendorf.

If you don't mind, I just wanna take this big palm of my hand that my cat Wallace loves to cradle his head into, and I want to cradle your kitty head and rub the rabbit ears down for a second.

May I?

Since it's the debate that you love, let me be the first to say: I fucking hate it here...

(nice post, Lis... I feel a blogotear coming on. Let me wipe it away from my metaphorically snowflake-ridden face with a proverbial Recommend-this-Kleenex)

Lovely sentiments once again, LisB. Thanks for making our time here so pleasant and fun!

I always love reading your posts Lis. Great start to the day!

We range from IT nerds to lawyers to housewives to social workers.
Don't forget the tattooed white trash vetrans.

I resemble that remark, though less white trash these days than when growing up. Still Tattooed and a veteran, so that counts for some street cred in my Latte Liberal life. Great post, Lis! Recommended.

I grew up bourgois but have moved to tattooed white trash thanks to downward drift. We must have passed each other on the social ladder.

That's why I love this place. It is typically great for a bark of laughter from entertaining intellectuals. It also shows my contention that the military wastes the time and energy of our brightest citizens is clearly the right view.

Hey, I resemble that remark.

Hey, where's the stink eye?

Lots of informed opinion here, as well as many rants. And, yes, I am addicted to it, even though there are not that many posts that emanate from the heart as well as the brain.
Your posts offer both. Thank you, LisB, for the gimbal you provide to steady (and humanize) this wildly tilting blog.

What is a gimbal? Does it have something to do with sailing?

PS: Glad to see your positive post took the top spot over my tirade! :O)

Captured my sentiments well. I've thought about writing a similar paean.

I finally settled here because I saw back two commenting systems ago that the dumbest argument at TPM is smarter than smartest argument at, say, Huffpo, and off-the-scale smarter than the comments at any MSM web outlets. (Time's Swampland kind of excepted. The comments there are often smarter than the comments at WaPo, NYT, or ABC.)

And then there's Politico. The comment boards there are a whole special level of dumb. The rare smart commenter at Politico must have insanely high pain thresholds, or are just plain masochistic. Unquestionably, we have some trolls here who are, in Lyndon Johnson's immortal phrasing, so dumb they couldn't poor piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel. But average 'em altogether and that average TPM troll is smarter than the the average regular Politico commenter.

Cheers, all.

I finally settled here because I saw back two commenting systems ago that the dumbest argument at TPM is smarter than smartest argument at, say, Huffpo, and off-the-scale smarter than the comments at any MSM web outlets.

'Zactly. We ain't perfect, but we're sure as hell a damn sight better than that other guy. :)

"so dumb they couldn't poor piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel."

...with the toe cut out. And if they did, they'd step in it.

I don't usually impose my political-junkie self on my friends, but I was overcome yesterday by the Joementum to remove Joe Lieberman.

So I reached out and e-mailed some of my middle of-the-road to conservative friends from CT about Lieberman and urged them to give to Obama if they're interested. I got thrashed basically for caring too much and believing that a petition could help anything. Oh yeah, I was told that the GOP is "not that bad", and that I should stop believing conspiracy theories on the blogs. They also questioned my sanity.

So, yeah, I love TPM too.

That doesn't mean I don't want a frakkin editing capability again.

Sorry about that singular plural mismatch and use of "poor" instaead of "pour" in the final paragraph.

There's something about talking about intelligence that causes my typos to multiply. There's probably a whole psych thesis rolled up into that quirk.

Please stop worrying about spelling, C/NCS. Bucky can't spell either, so your few mistakes are consistent with, but an improved version of, your avatar's.

LisB,

Once again, a very real and thoughtful post. Always a pleasure to "hear" your voice.

One thing I will say, however, is that I'm not really addicted to politics. I'm somewhat addicted to being part of the national discussion in some way. Especially back in 2004 I began blogging because, as a not-insider in Washington, I could still think for myself and could still figure out what was going on, even when some of our members of Congress seemed unable to. Like many of us here at TPM, I had an opinion, and it wasn't always mainstream. I had to do something, and being a writer, that seemed like a valid approach. I didn't have TPM then, however, so very few of my blogs ever really got seen or commented on. (And without comment, it's an empty exercise. It's the discussion that makes it rewarding.)

But what I really am here for is not an addiction to politics, but an extremely intense, laser-like pain I feel deep in my core being, that under BushCo our nation has been hijacked and that our whole amazing American experiment in freedom and equality is in jeopardy.

My first blog was all about being a patriot, and although I am a citizen of the world first and an American patriot second (sorry, flag wavers, but the world is bigger than our borders, and we are, ultimately, one people), I haven't seen a system laid out better than that of the Founding Fathers. And that is what I support. And that is what has been corrupted over the centuries, ultimately leading to where we are now. My mission isn't politics, but communication. I don't expect to change anybody's mind, but I surely hope that I - and you and so many others - will get people to think more deeply, to consider alternative views, and ultimately to become part of a process of healing and reformation that is urgently needed.

I'm writing totally off the cuff here, so forgive me if it's lengthy, but this is just the beginning of my passion, and that's why I'm here.

Replies like this are another reason I love TPM. I agree 100%.

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better.

...I could still think for myself and could still figure out what was going on, even when some of our members of Congress seemed unable to.

Or UNWILLING to figure it out...

And another thing: I started coming to TPM back when the U.S. entered its 9-11 psychosis to see if I was the only one who wasn't going completely crazy. Being able to talk to others, hear their perspectives, bounce some ideas around, just gives me a little anchor.

I love my daily TPM. For the interaction more than anything.

True. There's so much vested interest and fear and posturing and, to be honest, insanity in Congress these days. Perhaps it has always been that way. I remember my father taking me to see the McCarthy movie, Point of Order, when I was quite young. I had no idea what it was about, but it stuck with me to this day. Message? Our system is one that requires vigilance and citizen participation or it can easily devolve into witch hunts, fear over liberty and the sheep following the loudest, scariest voice.

We desperately need a re-education program in this country that brings everyone into the dialog and begins to focus on what's needed worldwide, and not remain so parochial, narrow, regional and divided. It's a tall order, I guess, but if we don't speak out, who will? If not now, when?

And so forth... (I sure miss both Vonnegut and Carlin.)

Hear, hear! I luvs you, Raider.

Likewise. You're a sweetheart of a blogger.

LisB,

You nailed it; we love politics.

Every election I express the same semtiment that Patton (at least in the movie) did about battle:

"I love it. God help me I do love it so. I love it more than my life."

Grope hug.

Group hog.

Grip hag.

Gripe huge. Anybody know where the edit button is?

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No, haven't found the button, but you can be the editor. You get a hug for your effort.

Think you.

Hope grog?

That would be Kool-aid.

LisB and I are into Hope Ale.

We are definitely stopping for a drink at some point, either on the way TO, or FROM, brooklyn, bee.

Hell, let's just show up with a bunch of ale and let everybody join in our fun??

Maybe Hope Stout?

:D

I hate politics and everyone at TPM. Whatever you do, do not become a member of TPM-aholics. They're all losers. If you ignore this message and sign up for this group anyway, do not, I repeat, do not friend me at my.barackobama.com or send me a message at xengis@gmail.com offering to host a fundraiser on July 19th. Barack Obama does not need your help, and I don't want to hear from you.

LisB, if I ever catch you pimping any TPM-aholics events again, I will post screed after angry screed denouncing you and everything you stand for. In all caps. Then I will promise to leave TPM forever, sulk for an hour, and return with a new, more irritating and brightly colored avatar.

Don't DO stuff like this while I'm drinking a glass of juice at my keyboard. Just...DON'T!

I think that it would be better for all concerned if you just stopped reading my posts.

Or you could just stop drinking juice at your computer.

Switch to scotch.

Or tequila.

Or absinthe.

But it would be a WASTE to spit any of those out!

Speaking of brightly colored avatars, don't you think the novelty of yours has worn off by now, oh ye of the technicolored dream lapels?

It's TPM user generated and a classic.

Personally, I think it's high time someone colorized your hat, baby.

Oh, DF.......?

All material acquisitions lose their allure faster than we would ever expect, but quality human interaction is always a delight.

Tons of smiley-faced agreement and grope hags and all good, happy stuff. TPM is a great spot. I love the intelligence and energy and debates, and if I ever won the lottery, I think I would spend 16 hours a day here.

Cheers LisB for a great post. Grope hug to all!

PS For the TPM development committee, I recommend angry meter emoticons that alert folks when you are in a particulalry asstastick mood. Sorry for the venting in your direction the other day :)

Same here, dijamo. As I said, at one point, in the middle of my neener neenering, your posts are always full of insight and I like reading them. We agree on a lot more than we disagree on. Like, just about everybody here, I guess.

Hey, I should write a post about that...D'oh!

Thanks Lis - gracious as always. A round of obama beer has been bought in your honor :)

I grope you, with honor. :-D

LisB, you definitely top my list of favorite people that I've never met!

Though not the most vocal of participants, I am definitely a regular TPM peruser that looks forward to the avatar battles & enlightenments.

I get the headlines from Yahoo then come here to see what's REALLY going on... ;)

gropes & kisses,

OakV

Lis, your posts are fun! We never know what's going to develop on the threads, but its almost always a good time.

Thank you, laurajordon, TPM's black and white beauty. Give me a grope hug, you!

A grope for you and gropes and juice or scotch or tequila or absinthe for everyone!

:-D

...I thought I was the TPM black and white beauty.

You ARE Beautiful.

:)

On THAT side of the pond.

'Kay?

Almost....but you give away your location. LauraJ doesn't.

LisB you are one of my all time favorite people. I love your attitude!

Thank you, Tena, I'm honored. I love your shit-kickin take no prisoners honesty just as much. You're a real kick!!

Never mind. Old Cheech and Chong thing.

Dave's not here.

Elvis has left the building.

I caught it! I just couldn't figure out how to riff on it.

If I coulda figgered out how to add into the thread the effect of a record skipping over and over in the background, I woulda! (That skipping record is my favorite part about that bit.)

LisB, you are a poet. I -- insofar as I have any authority to do so, which I don't -- declare you the mother of TPM!

Side note, my latest post about Bobby Jindal is somewhat a response to the spirit of your touching story last week.

Oh, golly. Motherhood is too much of a responsibility for me. Can't I just be a resident party animal with its heart on its sleeve?

I appreciate you and your posts too. Your avatar scares me, you look so angry, but you clearly are like that old man next door in Little Women, making Beth cry with the gift of the new pianny.

Thank you.

I thought mother meant resident party animal with heart on sleeve!

I don't want to scare you. I'm actually the severe old man's grandson.

LisB: I enjoy you and your thoughts alot and find your thinking to be "fresh" and creative! Please keep on truckin and we'll help w/ your political addiction!

Thank you, Gandalf. This latest fix might be my undoing.....but, MORE!! MORE, I ASK!!!!

Entering party well past fashionably late... but finding much to recommend! as usual, LisB... Great job!

(Adjusts ascot)

And may I say you look more than fashionable, albeit late?

May I say that You Look Marvelous.

(raises one brow)

This may be a Bad Idea(tm), but I happened to stumble across a free web-based chat app today, so I set up a "TPM-aholics" room. Don't know if we need this sort of thing any more (or ever did), but I figured, "why not try it?"

Anyway, it's a persistent link; you don't have to create an account, you can use whatever name you like, and it's supposed to work with all browsers: http://www.lingr.com/room/TPM-aholics

Me likes.

Me too!!!

Awesome Paige!

This is a beer worthy creation

Paige rocks!

Great post Liz, I always count on you to add some warmth to the energetic, interesting and (mostly) smart commentary here at TPM.

I have developed an addiction to this site and, like Paige above, I find myself hanging mostly in the cafe or election central to read the reader posts and comments. Some of the smartest, funniest political commentary online resides here.

Cheers to the love fest!

Cheers to you and your posts too.

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Number 1
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And number 2
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