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What The F@#k Is WRONG With This Site?????
1. I am logged in - try to reply to a thread - and am ASKED FOR MY USERNAMe and PASSWORD (even though the system already has me LOGGED IN and ACKNOWLEDGED!!!!!)
2. I am able to post this BLOG without being queried - yet I can't reply to a friggin post?????
3. When I DO enter my SN and PASSWORD, the effing software says it is INVALID!!!!!!
Is there ANY competent software employee at TPM?????Are you EVER going to get the bugs out of this software? Never mind FISA - concentrate on the bugs that affect those of us HERE every day!!!!!
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Comments (36)
When you get the invalid message try hitting enter again. I must often enter my user name and password twice to get logged in.
June 20, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
ditto....ditto
June 21, 2008 4:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Chris:
Thanks. I will try that next time! (Perhaps that explains the frequency of double-posts as well!)
:)
June 20, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I usually delete and type my password again. But yeah, this site is weird.
June 21, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've noticed in replying to posts that, when it asks you for your password, and you type that in, it tells you it's invalid. But if you just left click in the box it accepts that. Go figure...
June 20, 2008 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, man. Happens to me all the time. They need to get this shit fixed. It's super annoying.
June 20, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me, too. WTF Josh. Fix your damn site.
June 20, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
The software on this site is driving me away - one of the least user friendly sites there is. Maybe Josh likes the retro feel too it?
June 20, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great line!
June 20, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Always leave 'em with a laugh if you can! :)
June 20, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
review the title...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mindcaster-ezzolicious/2524460074/
June 20, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
6 mos. of this crap...in that time they could have moved the blog over to any other platform with no problems. Clearly the software people have no idea what they're doing. I've even sent this site (and the excuses) to tech-ish people who figured out the problem and came up with solutions AND they've sent the solutions to the site. Nothing.
June 20, 2008 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love this post. :-)
June 21, 2008 12:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Greetings.
Welcome to the TPMCafe-heckuva-job-brownie Software Whiners' Club.
Everyone remember to welcome Peter by voting Recommend! Have hope! Yes we can!
The link above is to my comment on the June 17 thread hosted by member Resonating, where I reported on the June 5 and June 10 threads hosted by members burnedoutdem and Joe Perez.
But this time, let's go to the wayback machine and feature one of my personal favorites from the club's early days:
TPM Cafe Is Now Suckful
By Tankard - March 3, 2008, 9:55PM
June 21, 2008 3:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh I almost forgot,
*BIG CLUB NEWS*
We've had radio publicity !!!
From TPMCafe,
Articleman's Experience as a Progressive Talk Radio Guest, or, Ride the Unity Pony, Part Two
By articleman - June 18, 2008, 1:10PM:
June 21, 2008 3:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
P.S. Ah Andrew Golis' March 3 comment on Tankard's thread, what fun.
June 21, 2008 3:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
1) Having to re-login when you post a new comment is really, really irritating, but we've found ways to cope.
2) Not being able to find old comments is really, really irritating, but Ben Hocking has offered us ways to cope.
3) No edit and preview feature is really, really irritating, but through Google docs and cut and paste, we've found ways to cope (and we've just been friendly and tolerant with each other which I think has brought our anonymous culture closer together).
I'm not as well-versed in coding and programming as some posters, so maybe this irritates me less, or maybe I'm just okay with coping (my June 5 post that you've referred to was intended to poke fun at the fact that even Josh had a double post on the main page, so maybe he'd feel our pain).
The part that makes me sad, and what I think Tankard alluded to as "suckful" (I *heart* the word-choice, btw) is I got to see the old site for maybe two weeks before it changed. I loved seeing people have real conversations and debating issues in a meaningful way. I learned so much about the election and the issues just from reading these threads - and I eventually created a screenname because I liked that there was a community of sorts here. What could be better - a chance to learn about and discuss issues I found interesting, with people who agree and disagree with me, in an environment that is low-maintenance and friendly?
Now, I don't know, while I love seeing the same people pop up, there's a disconnect between the comments. We're drawn together more by uniting against trolls and railing against the site itself than communing over the issues, and I feel like I missed out on something really good. Besides the exceptions of individuals like Genghis, Ben Hocking, LisB, Laurajordan, and fellow tiger MassDem (and others) who go out of their way to be supportive and share some personal insight, this isn't quite the environment I thought it would be when I signed up.
I felt so bad when I realized a week too late that bslev had asked me a question on his Avatar Time post - how many other questions and conversations are left hanging because we can't look back at our own threads or know when someone has replied to us? What are we missing out on?
I'm not saying this to gripe at TPM - I think it's great that we can access and participate in this discourse whenever we want and for free. I'm just pointing out that some of the smaller glitches and quirks are irritating and we can cope, but they're creating a less cohesive, less insightful, less useful non-community community.
I've noticed that some of our usual folks have disappeared (idiotic, flyonthewall) and I wonder how much of that has to do with the poor utility of the forum - and I feel like we're all missing out on something great as a result.
Sorry for the rambles, but does that make sense??
June 21, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Try your visa card number. Works good. Support the site.
June 21, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
what's that supposed to mean?
June 21, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, just a meager attempt at humor on the login moment.
June 21, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just spent a bit more time surfing around old complaint threads, seeking out links and cross links. Let me first say that part of the reason I am posting all this old stuff is that there is a new manager of this site, Lila Shapiro
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/profile/Lila%20Shapiro
and I bet she has no way of looking any of this up, due to the shitty software situation she has inherited. :-) She has only Andrew Golis giving her his narrative regarding what happened and what users think.
On this:
Josh Marshall has promised many times that getting this function back was a big priority, like on this one back in mid Feb., where he made lots of other interesting comments,
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/02/now-you-see-it.php
Well, if he's missing because of site issues, I hope he's complained about it, because Josh Marshall obviously thinks highly of him, see this comment and reply on that thread between them. Josh said elsewhere part of the reason he wanted the software change stressing more blogging over discussion was that he could promote good bloggers to the front page, that's why he wanted all the software systems on all sites to be the same and to integrate more fully. Funny, I've only seen him mention one blogger on the front page since the software change, Fly on the Wall, and no others. I am curious how he feels his theory worked out about the new software about drawing more quality bloggers and giving them a chance at the spotlight?
There's more interesting Josh comments on software on this other mid-Feb. thread:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/02/talking-points-memo-suggestion.php
Also see Update on TPM Community Tech
By Andrew Golis - March 19, 2008 for explanations, excuses, promises about stuff not fixed to date, including several interesting comments from Josh Marshall.
I can furnish others where Josh commented if people want them.
BTW, people did offer to do donation campaigns, but there was no interest from management. See here March 27 and here April 2.
And at the risk of getting too Muckrakerish, here is Josh's Feb. 28 main TPM page post praising the software company, Apperceptive.com, and putting forth the argument that going to Movable Type was essential.
Oh and somewhere, maybe in one of the above threads, I saw him or Andrew say that Edit or Preview was very difficult and expensive to put into MT. I thought I'd mention that because that seems to be the #1 request from users by far. I don't buy that, because obviously contributors can do it, they can edit and delete anything they want, we have seen them do it recently. If their techies told them that, I don't believe it, the evidence is there in what contributors can do.
And re-reading all of that, I also saw more evidence that they have probably have a database corruption problem. If that's the case, there's your reason for delay in improvements--it may be an impossible case of throwing good money after bad to put in improvements promised in the past, and having to wait until there's enough money for a total rebuilding?
In that vein, what we are seeing once again is silence, after promises to communicate more about the problems when accusations were made about silence:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/jaccusecafe-cockup-called-out.php
I think there's a promise about that from Josh, on keeping the community better updated, on Golis's bug thread above as well.
Which takes us back to Peter's points at the top of this post when he said Never mind FISA - concentrate on the bugs that affect those of us HERE every day!!!!!
June 21, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
As far as "user-friendly" features availble free from, eg, Myspace, they dwarf the crap here since the change (I refer particularly to the lame archive function, the utterly absent edit/preview function, and the back channel email which we have not got.)
Of course, on Myspace I don't get any ad revenue for posting--oh wait, here neither.
June 21, 2008 4:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are the people who are going to fix the world with great big ideas.
Comment is Free (The Guardian) used to have a great site but now provides slow loading and difficult viewing.
Meanwhile, all works well over at Free Republic.
June 21, 2008 9:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are you kidding? FR looks and acts like a throwback to 1996.
June 21, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
No. I'm not kidding. I post there all the time. It looks sparse, and it has no advertising, but all the essential functions are there and work very well.
In particular edit/preview, archival search by various criteria, and a really nice way of knowing whether someone has replied to you and of replying to them.
June 21, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also it accepts all HTML tags so that you can post photos, etc. and do a good job of formatting.
June 21, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I post there all the time
Why am I not surprised?
June 21, 2008 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whenever I try to log in it takes me to a page saying "Error: Invalid user." But then I'm logged in.
June 21, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
I post here because people are funny, smart and sometimes insightful. NOT because its on the cutting edge of technology.
June 21, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
"I post here because people are funny, smart and sometimes insightful."
Talking about me again:)
June 21, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like it.
June 21, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm tryin' to post a link here, but I'm not sure it's gonna work. Here goes:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/06/cheryl-crist.php
Is everyone able to click on the above, or do I need to be doin' somethin' else to make links clickable in comments here?
Unsure.
June 21, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nevermind. It worked fine. Sorry for the intrusion. Carry on.
June 21, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
A bigger issue came to mind, I'm just going to throw it out there.
Can any techie types explain to me why so many programs promise migration of past content but that that so often seems to be the source of clusterfuck? Why sell that or even try to do it until you can do it without bugs and corruption?
Used to be more common that when someone went to a new blog, they just kept the old site up as an locked archive. The urls stay the same, everyone can point to it, look stuff up the same way they used to, etc.
I think that's what most people should still do until youse programming guys figure out better ways to accomplish merging. It's what I would do if I owned a website like this and wanted to change systems. My archive would retain it's original system. You want to start new, start really new,leave the old stuff the way it is with a link to it on the menu.
Anyone who's done brick and mortar archival research knows there's much benefit to leaving archives in their original state, and not much reason to be fiddling with them, unless you have developed a system to incorporate them seamlessly and without much disruption of your new stuff.
June 21, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
brick and mortar archival research
Omigod!
He is one of the Old Ones. Somewhere, his name is labeled over a Library *carrell.
*Kind of like a monk's cell kids, google it...
June 21, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Google sez it's carrel, not carrell. Maybe you shoulda followed your own advice?
June 21, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
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