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TPM Community, STOP LOOKING AT THE SQUIGGLES!!!

My Father…as he often does when I call him to complain about the Campaign...admonishes me that I’ve been watching too many Squiggles.

Squiggles?  Really?

Face it, the man’s old.  I worry about him at times, but…then again a PhD and forty years as a Professor of Mathematics can give one the impression of a high IQ.  So unfortunately, time and again, despite my best efforts, he sometimes…(shudder)…can be right.

What he’s talking about is that I shouldn’t be watching every detail, of every line, of every shading in the twenty-four hour newsfreak about the Campaign, and then follow through by freaking out myself.

There’s another term for this…circular firing squad.

Speaking of which, uhhh TPM Community…or better still… “Pot?  Yeah, this is kettle.  You’re black.”

The squiggles first reared their ugly head way back last year…when Obama was prepping for Iowa, and trailing 20 points in the polls.  Both in the web and on Liberal Talk Radio, the question was the same, what the heck is he doing?  Why isn’t Barack doing more?  Why isn’t our obviously superior candidate not catching up to Hillary?

As we were freaking (and yes I count myself in that number), he was getting organized.  He was putting in place the ground operation that was going to win in Iowa.  He was keeping his powder dry.  He wasn’t making a spectacle of himself when no one was paying attention.  Guess what.  He won.  He won Iowa.  He won 36 other states.  He won the nomination, and he beat the most powerful machine in current Democratic Politics doing it.

Why do we assume, suddenly…that this man has forgotten how to run a campaign??

So what’s happening now, now that’s it’s the silly season?  Now that we’re in the Veepstakes holding pattern; now that nothing’s really going to happen between now and the announcement of the Vice-Presidential nominees?

Apparently, y’all are going to freak out.

Usually, when I’m talking to dear old Dad about the squiggles, I’m complaining about the lies, myths and distortions coming from Republicans, traditional purveyors of noxious bull@#$%.  Oh, no.  Not so 2008, I’ve spent more time pissed off about what’s coming from our side than any other, no more so than this past week.

You do remember, that despite the five month time frame, this is a marathon, not a sprint, right?

C’mon it was BREAKING NEWS on MSNBC last week that on the night before the Unity Rally Barack and Michelle had maxed out to Hillary’s campaign.  Red-banner BREAKING NEWS, the kind you get when a Airplane goes down, or someone famous sudden and tragically dies.  But that’s the standard we’re messing with now.  Barack and Michelle following through on easing Hillary’s campaign debt…is breaking news.

Do we really want to go there?

Nothing is happening right now, nothing (as far as the actual campaign is concerned).

Senator Obama is leading McCain by fifteen points in National Polls, as well as polls in major swing states.  That and five bucks’ll buy you a gallon of gas.

The FISA Capitulation Debate has gotten toxic enough to have Glenn Greenwald of Salon and Keith Olbermann slugging it out.

Are you kidding me??

Theda Skocpol wrote what I thought to be a completely ridiculous piece asking if Obama can set the Agenda.  A lot of you, for whatever reasons, agreed.

Even Arianna has gotten into the act.

We even got folks fuming about Obama being outspent in Missouri, and according to some this means the doom of the whole campaign.

And now, we have the freak-out over Wesley Clark’s statement.

Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president.

Yeah, I know.  This quote is actually taken out of context.  (Surgically removed is more like it).  This is the quote the MSM used to fan the flames.  After all what makes a better story than one Soldier calling out another?  However, what Clark had said contained a lot more nuance, but why bother with nuance, right MSM?  We’ve got deadlines to meet, and controversy to stir!

But let’s take a look at the quote in and of itself, because like it or not that’s what’s being bandied about today.

For the most part, I agree with the General.  Being shot down isn’t some great barometer of experience.  It makes for a great story about McCain, it doesn’t make him Presidential.  That all being said, my feeling toward the quote are at best lukewarm.  While I enjoy someone eviscerating McCain as much as the next Democrat, I thought we weren’t even going to come near attacking him for his service.  In addition, it comes desperately close to being personal.  This is the kind of Politics, I thought, we admired Senator Obama for trying to run again. 

But when I log onto TPM, do I get rational debate?  Do I get thoughtful analysis on the why and the wheres, the positive and negative?  No.  I get a freak out, name calling, or whatnotfor the most part.

But why shouldn’t there be a freak out?  After all, right now y’all want blood, and are kind of scared you’re not going to get it.

Face it, we’ve all been taking crap from the Bush Administration for last eight years, hating it and him every minute of it.  We’ve watched their callous regard for human life, the truth, patriotism, coupled with their “my way or the highway” attitude to fuel our anger.  Now, we’re looking for a little payback as a result.  I don’t blame you.  It’s impossible not to watch what’s gone on these last eight years, not feel angry, not feel (I’m going to say it…bitter), and not give back as good as we got.

We’re scared we’re not going to win.  But most of all, I think we’re scared that Senator Obama is not going to deliver onto us our pound of Republican flesh.

Last I checked, that’s the last thing Senator Obama wants to do.

In his DailyKos posting regarding John Roberts from 2005, Senator Obama said something we all need to remember, and we all keep forgetting:

Let me be clear: I am not arguing that the Democrats should trim their sails and be more "centrist."  In fact, I think the whole "centrist" versus "liberal" labels that continue to characterize the debate within the Democratic Party misses the mark.  Too often, the "centrist" label seems to mean compromise for compromise sake, whereas on issues like health care, energy, education and tackling poverty, I don't think Democrats have been bold enough.  But I do think that being bold involves more than just putting more money into existing programs and will instead require us to admit that some existing programs and policies don't work very well.  And further, it will require us to innovate and experiment with whatever ideas hold promise (including market- or faith-based ideas that originate from Republicans).

Our goal should be to stick to our guns on those core values that make this country great, show a spirit of flexibility and sustained attention that can achieve those goals, and try to create the sort of serious, adult, consensus around our problems that can admit Democrats, Republicans and Independents of good will.  This is more than just a matter of "framing," although clarity of language, thought, and heart are required.  It's a matter of actually having faith in the American people's ability to hear a real and authentic debate about the issues that matter.

Finally, I am not arguing that we "unilaterally disarm" in the face of Republican attacks, or bite our tongue when this Administration screws up.  Whenever they are wrong, inept, or dishonest, we should say so clearly and repeatedly; and whenever they gear up their attack machine, we should respond quickly and forcefully.  I am suggesting that the tone we take matters, and that truth, as best we know it, be the hallmark of our response.

We have to remember, Senator Obama, and the people who support him (lightly or strongly) have gotten as far as we have by being different, but coming up with a new way to campaign.  We cannot roll back to a way of doing things that hasn’t gotten us anywhere.  I know people are complaining that Senator Obama to move too close to the center for your tastes (maybe mine as well), but last I checked the ideological war that most to want to fight have also been proven losers for the last two Presidential Election cycles.

There was another quote Senator Obama dropped, this one from The Audacity of Hope (Pg. 131 Hardback Edition), that also bears remembering:

Not surprisingly, there are activists who insist that Democratic senators stand fast against any Republican initiative these days – even those initiatives that have some merit – as a matter of principle.  It’s fair to say that none of these individuals has ever run for high public office as a Democrat in a predominately Republican state, nor has any been a target of several million dollars’ worth of negative TV ads.  What every senator understands is that while it’s easy to make a vote on a complicated piece of legislation look evil and depraved in a thirty-second television commercial, it’s very hard to explain the wisdom of that same vote in less than twenty minutes.  What every senator also knows is that during the course of a single term, he or she will have cast several thousand votes.  That’s a whole lot of potential explaining to do come election time.

We were drawn to this man, because he made us believe there could be a better way.  At the same time, we were also drawn to him because he seemed to understand that the voters of America weren’t idiots, and was willing to engage them.  He has treated us intelligently, and I feel we owe the same.

Please if you disagree with him, FINE.  This is a good thing.  This is a debate.  Debates are the fuel of our Democracy.  It’s the being disagreeable part that I’m objecting to.  It’s the premature nature of this panic that I’m objecting to.  It’s freakin’ June.  We’ve barely had kickoff, and some of you already have us losing the game.

We don’t know everything (again, I could myself in that "we").  Thus, we cannot possibly project onto the future our fears of the past.  No one here, least of all me, has a monopoly on the way things have to be, the way things have to be run.  I would be very few of us in this community are Political Professionals.  There are probably a similar number of journalists. 

But, we all have opinions.  We all have valid viewpoints, and we are all capable of cheering or booing from the stands.  But let’s remember, that unless we’re in Chicago, that’s where we are.  There’s nothing wrong, or reduced, by being in the cheap seats.  We’re allowed to cheer and boo as we see fit, but I we do a disservice to ourselves and our cause by going overboard, and I think that’s what’s been happening these last few days.

Despite the hue and cry, this is still a zero sum game.  Either John McCain or Barack Obama is going to be the next President of the United States.  The only way our side truly loses is if Barack Obama does.  Remember, he is at the head of a movement, one that will still have work to do after that first Tuesday in November; one that will hopefully be used to push the Congress…or if necessary Barack himself, one way or the other.

We are active participants in this zero sum game, but we’re not on the field.  We got a team playing right now.  They’ve gotten us this far.  Let’s see where they can lead us.

All we can do is work, and after that is done work harder.

And if you want to freak out, freak out in September.  At by then, it’ll be halftime.


Comments (43)

Agreed! Daily freakouts serve no good purpose. It's time to think long-term and have some faith in the team.

Greg Sargent is totally feeding it. Check out his posts today. Do you think he earned a bonus?

Awww, give poor Greg a break.  TPM is a site of, by, and for political junkies.

I can't remember having more than the most minor quibble with anything Greg or Eric has posted.

OTOH, we obsessive-compulsive commenters who wait breathlessly for the next EC thread, just so we can jump in and satisfy our tongue-wagging cravings... well, we do get carried away.  A lot, sometimes.

The irony of the flaming Greg has gotten -- because he mentioned Hillary or posted something we thought wasn't news -- would amaze me if I hadn't already grown so jaded.  The absurdity of a six-comment-per-thread commenter complaining about the un-newsworthiness of an EC post can be breathtaking.  Where would we be if Eric or Greg hadn't provided us with another fix, another opportunity to do battle with the trolls and to make our opinions heard?

We should count our blessings.  I'll start with Josh who counts for two, Greg and Eric make it four. . . .

Hear hear! I've been thinking the same thing for quite some time.

I agree with your father. I think we are coming off the sugar high of the nomination process and the engine is still in high gear. Chill out! It really is only a few days after the beginning of summer.

Save some for October and early November. I am excited too but I need some down time.

A great post that I hope gets recommended right up the list.

But, I think you're actually wrong about the freak outs. People are freaking because they expect a lot from Barack Obama. A lot of people have put a lot of time, money and emotional energy into his candidacy. Look, a FISA cave on the part of any Democrat is bad. On the part of Obama, who once promised us in certain words to support a filibuster of such a bill, is a little devastating.

But here's the silver lining. I don't remember us getting so worked up about John Kerry in 2004. Because we didn't really, for the most part, like him. We wanted him to win but he wasn't our guy (Dean was) and we didn't expect much from him given that he was shoved down our throats as the "safety candidate" who was centrist enough to win some states in Red America and darn it, we all said we'd vote for him but, come on, we weren't excited.

We freak out at Obama over FISA because we are excited and because we do expect more and because he's the first candidate we've had in a long time that even seems to care that we expect more. We actually believe that this guy will hear us if we raise a ruckus. And... I think he actually will.

This isn't a circular firing squad. We want to be part of the strategy is all. If he knows that, he'll take us in. And if we keep freaking out and remain excited, well... that's the kind of turnout that you need on election day if you want to win your zero sum game.

Destor, I think you and I are pretty much on the same page. I just don't want things to get toxic in the meantime, you know?


Ain't a thing in the world wrong with expecting a lot of the Senator, but there is going to be give and take. There are days when we're going to be justifiably proud, and day when we'll hang out heads in digust. The point is, no candidate is perfect; even though I think we've got a winner here in the Senator.

I think you have it exactly right, Admiral.

I'm a little less forgiving on FISA because there are actionable consumer protection and constitutional issues involved.

But... in the end, I know what a disaster a McCain presidency will be. I might kick and scream at times along the way, but I will vote Obama, with enthusiasm and passion.

Thank you to both of you for this conversation.

For months I've been absolutely sure that Obama will be the next President. And, I don't know if it's the squiggles, but I've getting into a panic recently...

Be careful you don't get none of that gasoline on your clothes, Destor.

Are you accusing me of self-immolation or of fanning the flames?

bof.

But ignited by spontaneous combustion.

To do: register, or at least encourage to register, more voters. The interaction will hearten them that you care that they vote, and it will get you away from obsessing on silly squiggles.

Great post, highly recommended. The quotes you have of Obama are especially insightful, and I think we should read them whenever we start to have doubts about Obama's liberalism, or his moving more to the center. Definitely puts a whole new spin on things.

Dude, I don't know how much time you spent on this post (obviously a good amount because it was extremely well done), but it was worth every minute.

My Dad is also a brilliant man, Ph.D., the whole nine yards. He's 80, but not slowing down one bit intellectually. He's also a Republican, but he's a great debater, a great verbal wordsmith and his arguments can tie me in knots.

Know why? Because, while I'm trying to follow all the "squiggles," his eye is on the big picture.

That's why.

By the way, Dad says McCain's toast. :-)

I used to always be a big picture person - I tended not to get caught up in minutiae until I found blogs.

There are many days when I wonder really just how much good all this information is doing.

But since the information is a fact of life, there's no point in pretending it's not there.

McCain's toast. Yay.

I'm not freaking out about the "squiggles." I know McCain's almost certainly toast. I'm reacting to the fact that Obama seems to be turning against some of the core principles of the progressive movement that got him where he is. And where FISA is concerned, that's not just campaign talk about what he will do or might do. That's a vote in the Senate now. That's the law of the land. Now.

I don't doubt for a minute that even the newly revealed centrist Obama will be better for the country that McCain. I'll be campaigning for a Democratic victory. But will I be campaigning for the Obama I thought I was, or just another Clinton?

That's not a freak-out. That's profound disappoint, disillusionment, and disgust.

DisappointMENT.

You might find what Keith Olbermann has to say interesting.

Thanks, CS. I hope things go differently with the "second chance." It would be a great encouragement if BHO just pushes hard for some changes in the bill instead of just caving with the rest of the spelunkers.

I'm scarcely giving up on the guy. But I'm so God damn sick of the Democrats giving up their principles because they're terrified of the Republican accusations that they're "soft." It might be different if they actually WON by being gutless cowards, but they don't. They betray own base AND they lose the center! Obama's got a chance to be something different. People WANT him to be something different. This ain't the way.

Wow! You are my new hero!!

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Never mind the squiggles: look at the record.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelon.html

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How about a new way of campaigning (I don't know what Obama does about governing). Here is what Congressman Tim Ryan is saying about Obama and guns in today's Politico:

“It’s guys like [Gov.] Ted Strickland and Tim Ryan saying, ‘He’s cool; he’s all right; he’s not going to do anything on guns or abortion that you don’t like.

Anybody told NARAL yet?

Please don't make me contribute to the troll bowl on your behalf. Are you a democrat or not? You are undermining our candidate with this exelon and guns crap (unless you want McCain to win). Take a deep breath, put aside the obvious scorn that you are still carrying from the primary. Obama is our candidate. Deal with it.

Pet Peve: Election day is not the first Tuesday in November. It occurs on the Tuesday following the first Monday of November (the Tuesday between November 2 and November 8, inclusively).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Day_(United_States)

Thanks for the correction. I honestly should've checked a calendar before typing.

Yep. It's called the Democratic Chicken Little Dance.

Put your hands above your heads,
And flail 'em in the air!
Run around in little circles,
Then pull out all your hair!

Make squeaky little noises,
"Ohmigod, golleegee!
The sky is surely falling!
They've brought us to our knees!"

Drop down to the floor,
And curl your knees up to to your chest!
Stick your thumb into your mouth,
and have a little fetal rest.

Yes, the sky is surely falling,
So let's all wallow in our fears.
And do nothing 'til November,
except shed our angry tears.

Preferable to the cannibalistic feeding frenzy, the Democrats' other favorite pastime, I suppose.

What he’s talking about is that I shouldn’t be watching every detail, of every line, of every shading in the twenty-four hour newsfreak about the Campaign, and then follow through by freaking out myself.

Yep.


Your father must reading my mind this morning. I've almost reached the point where I can't take any more. During elections, every breath the candidates breathe is analyzed and people go completely insane. And right about now, as the GE heats up, it is getting really difficult to deal with bunches of people whining about every single syllable Obama says that doesn't conform with their idea about their candidate and to hell with anyone who doesn't agree - he shouldn't run to them - they are stupid - which is my other least favorite thing about elections - every day someone bitches because Americans are "too stupid to get i" whenever they disagree with what's going on.

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I think everyone should watch this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bnhmByYxEIo

Submerge your egos and get back behind our candidate!

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Excellent post. I'm as much a political junkie as the next person, but Jesus! Go wank off to occupy your time. Don't let the MSM or talk radio or political blogs make you think that who moved your cheese is really that important. It's not. Not yet. What's happening in online comments is like complaining about a soccer team 10 minutes into the game when the score is still 0-0.

Well you are exactly right.

It's exhausting listening to people go off on every single little tiny bullshit bit of information.

And this is a campaign - nothing is written in stone at this point.

Hot damn... beauty!

Makes me feel even better with that decision to downgrade my cable service. Sorry MSNBC. I do look forward to not having to wake up with Morning Joe. Seriously, is he still employed?

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Excellent post. I was just thinking this morning that I was going to have to stop reading political sites until the convention because of all the hyperventilating and hysteria that is going on. Everyone needs to take a deep breath and keep their eyes on the prize. Disagree with Obama? Fine let him know but stop the damn wailing.

And know that having a President Obama in control is going to make a world of difference in term of the policy that this country follows starting in January of 2009. The DOJ, the Department of Homeland Security, the Attorney General, HHS, Education, EPA- all of that changes and for the better and toward more progressive policies. Please don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good. This election is too important.

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I've been peeved and well, to use a tainted word in these parts, 'concerned' - about Obama's actions or perceived lack thereof in the past couple weeks. But that shouldn't be construed as panic or willingness to sit out the next election based on events in June. No, rest assured that I will in no way vote McCain or Nader or anything of that sort come November.

I consider my complaints to be of the 'holding his feet to the fire' variety, not turning against him or predicting failure. I've been very impressed over the past few months with Obama, and maybe it's just my partial-awareness of the media treatment of him and all, but he seems to be a little unfocused and not taking the fight as hard as he could be or should be, nor as hard as I believe the electorate at large wants. I see a landscape that is absolutely ripe for significant change, not just in leadership but in leadership style and in policy direction. Obama seems tentative in grasping that, and I instead see a McCain-friendly media doing its damnedest to make this more of a race than it really needs or ought to be, and succeeding to an extent.

Then again, what do I know - I'm just a rube living out West, far away in self-imposed exile, looking at all this from afar. I could be way wrong - in fact, I hope I am, at least about the effectiveness of Obama's current approach.

In any case, I'd like to think that it was OK to take our candidate to task when he doesn't promote our ideals - isn't that what participatory democracy is all about?

Please if you disagree with him, FINE. This is a good thing. This is a debate. Debates are the fuel of our Democracy. It’s the being disagreeable part that I’m objecting to.

At what point do you consider a disagreement 'disagreeable'?

I think what HussienTenaX quotes below is the key thought, don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good. As long as we keep perspective, as long as we stay energized and focused on the task of knocking McCain out (of the Presidency), I think we're good. When we have tit for tat columns zapping people on our own side, I think that's bad.

To follow through on the "circular firing squad" metaphor. It's one thing to take aim at each other, let's avoid pulling the trigger shall we?

In any case, I'd like to think that it was OK to take our candidate to task when he doesn't promote our ideals - isn't that what participatory democracy is all about?

Abso-fucking-lutely right! Criticising Obama does not mean support or voting for McCain.

Please don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good. This election is too important.

Word up.

I strongly agree with this.
We need to step back, take a deep breath and stop obsessing. As far as Obama's course, he's smart to be out there campaigning regionally. He's always been a pragmatist. I know the far left likes to claim him as their own, but there's more there. I know the folks with Daily Kos and MoveOn did a LOT to help him get this far, but so have people like me, making calls, working polls and canvassing. He needs to get elected.
While FISA is troublesome, I think civil liberties are more endangered should McCain get elected and appoint another right wing judge or two to the Supreme Court. I think modern democrats have a history of losing sight of the bigger picture, obsessing over the small ones. Not to mention, legislation needs to pass. Bill Clinton spent his last six years handicapped, because he initially fought tooth and nail over details. Had the administration considered the Moynihan-Dole health care plan, I'd be insured right now. The president has a lot of interests to balance. I want one that understands when to fight and when to compromise, thus building political capital, and able to accomplish more. And, unlike Bush, it is important that a president does his or her best to advance the interests of the nation and all its constituents, not just the factions that put him or her there. Changes happen through evolution, not revolution.

I strongly agree with this.
We need to step back, take a deep breath and stop obsessing. As far as Obama's course, he's smart to be out there campaigning regionally. He's always been a pragmatist. I know the far left likes to claim him as their own, but there's more there. He's a thinker, not a fighter. I know the folks with Daily Kos and MoveOn did a LOT to help him get this far, but so have people like me, making calls, working polls and canvassing. It's called ground game. Hail Mary passes usually don't get caught, and you only use them in desperation. He needs to get elected.
While FISA is troublesome, I think civil liberties are more endangered should McCain get elected and appoint another right wing judge or two to the Supreme Court. I think modern democrats have a history of losing sight of the bigger picture, obsessing over the small ones. Not to mention, legislation needs to pass. The slim majority democratic congress takes a lot of heat, but they've got a lot of republicans to work around. Guys like Mitch McConnell and John Boehner make it really hard.
Bill Clinton spent his last six years handicapped, because he initially fought tooth and nail over details. Had the administration considered the bi-partisan Moynihan-Dole health care plan, I'd be insured right now. A president has a lot of interests to balance. I want one that understands when to fight and when to compromise, thus building political capital, and able to accomplish more. And, unlike Bush, it is important that a president does his or her best to advance the interests of the nation and all its constituents, not just the factions that put him or her there. Changes happen through evolution, not revolution.

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Nice thoughts. I agree that those who fall over the cliff with the "No support or vote for O from me!" are being TOO disagreeable. As to the rest, it should all be fair play; particularly in these forums which are loaded with the disordered political information junkie.
How much of the population do we represent numerically speaking. 1/10th of 1% maybe? I'm probably being too generous. So really, when all the bitching and moaning goes on over FISA or throwing Clark under the bus (and there is REASON for it), who cares except these addicted few?
As to TMI; oh no it ain't. Our lives and our children's futures are controlled by these pols who are often elected by the uninformed...I want to be less uninformed.
And really, so what if I don't know what "they" know in the way of "how it works," we're all part of the equation. (I also note that those who eschew my perspective still take plenty of their time to clack at the keyboard to tell me why I'm wasting mine.)
As long as we stay with the correct pack leader, your dog isn't better than my dog, even if he is eating kennel ration.


Final word - I agree completely with you - I am a fan of open boards and don't like kicking people off the island mentalities - unless someone is beyond beyond, and most of the time there is no question when it comes to that - everyone agrees.

Dissent is healthy. The problem online is at least two-fold: anonymity, so we don't really know who we're talking to; and the format, which seems to engender that very thing - people holding strong positions and fighting for them fiercely, even sometimes when they don't believe in those positions. I can only think that gamers moved over to blogs and that's how it got this way on comments boards.

Or else, we're just kinda wired that way.

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"The FISA Capitulation Debate has gotten toxic enough to have Glenn Greenwald of Salon and Keith Olbermann slugging it out."

Yep. Toxic, and disproportionate. All jsut to punish telecoms, essentially (that's all Feingold and Dodd want to take out).

Feel free to protest, and fax, and complain. But remember that the left has spent the last month dwelling on FISA, losing a month when they could be hitting McCain. Do you want to spend the whole Summer talking about this, while McCain goes unvetted? Did you expect the MSM to vet him without any pressure fom the left?

Keep your eye on the ball, folks.

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