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Thank God, Hillary's dead.

I mean her campaign of course.

Anyways, I don't know why I took the name of God, coz I ain't sure if God has anything to do with anything. 

I'm tired thankin Clinton for a weekend speech, thankful ofcourse she said its over, but she has done no service to the nominee or her party.

 I always maintained on this very site,  if Hill won the nomination- despite my deep reservations- I'll vote for her. Coz, I ain't gonna let McSame shove four more years up my ass- it hurts already. 

Also,  I have always tried to show restraint when it comes to Hillary bashing.

But thank god she's dead- and it's not one day too early. Good speech- but she tol'al of us, they're just words. And when Hill says 'em, they ain't anything more than words anyways.

Make no mistake, she f'ked up the party for a lot of us, before calling it a night and once speech ain't gonna fix all of what's broken, 

Her 18mil broken pieces mean somethin different to me. It's now upto Obama and Co to collect the broken pieces, as many as they can but they will not be able to collect every piece before Nov. We who want a dem in the White House have to work hard, and harder thanks to Hill.

I really don't care much about Unity shit, not as a blogger anyways. People should stop actin like jerks, and vote what's right for 'em.  If they really believe McZombie is better than a dem in the White House, pls feel free to f'k yersel'.

But, I'm glad Clintons are history and I ain't gonna sh'up to make anyone feel better. We don't need die-nasties.


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The more divided we are, the happier McCain is. So keep at it at yours, and our, own peril. Obama won. I'm thrilled about it. It's time to trash McSame, not Hillary Clinton.

Can't stop talking about Hillary, can you?

After bashing her daily for 6 months, you don't know what to do now, except neurotically gnaw your tail and chew on your feces.

Like the housing bubble, the Obama bubble will burst, if it hasn't already.

Then what will you chatter about?

Kash, you say you want a Dem in the White House.

Act like it.

I'm confused. I know you're an Obama supporter, but this doesn't sound like you.

I'm sorry Plee. On Hindsight, it was naive to post. But I'm pissed she's get away after doing some serious damage to the party.

A suggestion: take your lead from the more positive folks on this site for awhile. Believe me, I know precisely what you're going through, but if you're feeling negative, pretend you're not until you finally believe it. We won a battle. But that's behind us. Now's time to prepare for war.

I understand totally as I have had the same sentiment prior to her concession. Hopefully, she will campaign enough for Obama to repair most of the damage that has occurred. Meantime, lets you and I focus on McCain.

I agree with this post. Sorry, all you guys who are in kumbaya mode but McCain's campaign is going to feature video clips of all Hillary, all the time, striking at Obama. That's the GOP strategy. I can't forgive Hillary that. She began this damaging nonsense after she'd pretty well lost so she knew what the dangers were. She did it anyway. Kumbaya? My ass. I will say that I'm thankful that ding, dong, the campaign's dead. That's it.

For all the reasons above, don't expect too much help from Clinton. She couldn't quite admit she'd erred on the Iraq vote. She didn't quite admit that she lied about sniper fire. Do you guys really believe she'll admit she was full of bovine excrement when she said that McCain was ready to be commander-in-chief but Obama wasn't? Because she WILL be asked. As the GOP commercials air that clip, over and over and over.

She'll be hurting his chances long after she's gone.

What's done is done. Unfortunately, Hillary gave McCain lots of ammunition. We all cringed each time she did it and we all regret it now.

The question is how best to address the situation we as Democrats face in the general election against McCain. One thing that does not help is recriminations against Hillary and her supporters. Hillary started trying to make amends yesterday. It's a good start.

There are all these expressions of regret about how McCain and the 527s will use the words of Democrats criticizing Democrats and the theme of Democratic division, female against male, white against black, etc. We would be well advised not to write more copy for them.

Judge Hillary by how much of the damage she tries to undo and succeeds in undoing in the course of the campaign. Judge her in November. Attacking her now will not undo the primaries and will reduce the chances of putting Obama in the White House.

It's not about kumbaya. It's about winning the most important presidential election in decades.

Hillary started trying to make amends yesterday. It's a good start.

My problem is, she wasn't being sincere. You're forgetting, Hillary Clinton has a history of saying or doing anything to get elected. This from the women who said John McCain was more qualified to be president than Obama. Either she was lying then, or she was lying on saturday. My gut tells me she was lying on saturday and that she really thinks (and perhaps is maybe even hoping) that McCain will beat Obama. Something that is all the more likely thanks to her own words and actions.

Either way, I don't trust a single word that comes out of her mouth.

And yet, reading the reviews from people that Josh posted the other day, people actually fell for it and believed she was sincere.

Well, she wasn't. She was only doing it because she had to. Because her future aspirations (whatever they may be) depend on her backing Obama. I don't for one second think she actually wants him to win. And I don't for one second think she meant a single word of her "endorsement" of him saturday. You don't go from saying "John McCain has passed the CIC threshold and Barack Obama has not" to "I endorse Obama." Why would she endorse someone she doesn't believe is qualified to be president? Hmmm...

It was a pro forma endorsment. And, in my opinion, a pretty weak one at that. It was something she did for appearances only.

Anyway, I'm moving on now. And i'm focusing on trying to beat John McCain, a task Hillary Clinton knowingly made harder for us all.

Oh what bullshit! The Democrats can run clips of everything said about McSame by his primary competition too. I have no idea why you think a primary CONTEST should be UNCONTESTED?? The fact is that the Democratic Party in all 50 states is now revved up and ready to go to the November election .... remember the vote that REALLY counts. Every breath about Clinton is wasted effort, start talking about McSame. Professional experienced campaign workers understand this .... spoiled children and bottomless haters do not.

All the millions and millions of voters in all the states that got a chance to register their choice after all you spoiled children got bored matter much more in November. Keep your eye on the ball. Is this your first election people?

yeah. its not that it was "contested" thats the problem.

But constantly praising your republican opponent over your democratic rival is going beyond "contesting a primary."

You didn't see mitt romney saying hillary clinton was more qualified to be president that john mccain.

That's the difference.

AnitaBee I confess I completely agree with you.
I know it's extremely unpopular to say so. Some give the impression that we deserve to be tarred and feathered for not joining in the kumbaya.

I used to be a champion of the Clinton's. I defended them all through Bill's presidencies. Hillary was my preferred candidate early in the primary. It is with profound sadness and regret that I feel unable to respect them any longer.

Hillary Clinton attacked Obama like no Democrat should ever attack a fellow Democrat. Her talking points will be used by Republicans incessantly. McCain may have had his detractors, but no one within his party declared him to be unfit to be CIC while praising the opponent. That kind of thing just isn't done.

She had every right to compete for the nomination, but she went too far in marginalizing him and appealing to the worst natures in some people. And I also agree that all this was done out of desperation after her campaign basically became a lost cause.

He beat her for many reasons. First of all, she and Bill were too arrogant and felt entitled. They had no plan for the long haul, declaring it would be over on Super Tuesday. Even those within her campaign now acknowledge that the mismanagement and waste of her campaign funds bordered on fraud. She made it abundantly clear that she could not mange those within her campaign. Secondly, Obama was a better candidate. He had a better message, and proved himself as a man of character. He ran circles around her campaign in organizational strength. He beat her soundly on the inside party game, let alone the delegates.


Her "concession" speech on Tuesday was appalling. Some people excused her inability to concede because it was too "emotional" to let go. I heard this not only from supporters but also from newscasters. What utter bull. Half a dozen times she did not even acknowledge or congratulate him on his wins during the campaign. I know no one likes to lose, but this is a common courtesy that is due the victor.

Despite all this and more, had she won the nomination I would have voted for her. I'm a lifelong Democrat; that trumps any personal feeling I may have toward a presidential nominee.

The Clinton's have damaged and divided the party in such a way that I cannot ever forgive them.

I'm sure many here will decry how I am part of the problem going forward. But I'm entitled to my opinion and I don't believe that opinion should be censored.

I respect everyone else's choice to embrace and praise Sen. Clinton. I deserve the same respect, even though I disagree.

The point is, I think, that you can care about Hillary or not at this point, but the Democratic Party needs the votes of her supporters. They may never become Obama supporters, but as long as they vote for him, the effect is the same as if they were. There will be plenty of time for recrimination and revenge after this is all over. We can kill each other later. Let's win the election first.

I agree wholeheartedly. The ENTIRE point is not whether you care for Hillary or not. I would have voted for her in spite of it. I don't have a problem with a fellow Democrat not caring for Obama either. So long as they don't refuse to vote for him merely because he beat Hillary. It's childish.

It is already being reported that approx 60% of those who voted for Hillary are on board with Obama. Yes, we need her supporters. But I shouldn't have to pretend that I suddenly admire the woman because of the speech she gave on Saturday. If some supporters do not make the switch based on the issues and the magnitude of what is at stake during this election, nothing I say, good or bad, will make a difference.

I may not like the woman but I have no desire to kill anyone nor do I want revenge. NOT AT ALL.

The point I'm making is that we should work together as Democrats to do what is essential this November; irrespective of our feelings for either Hillary OR Barack.

I may not like the woman but I have no desire to kill anyone nor do I want revenge. NOT AT ALL.

I was speaking figuratively, of course.

Love your avatar, by the way. I'm a total desert rat, and there's nothing I enjoy more than spending a few weeks lost in Utah's canyons.

So by not giving up after the first vote in Iowa and stiffing the other 49 states of any say in the nomination she did "serious damage" to the party??? My God how people can talk when they do not understand much. Taking the issues and the rallies and yes even the TV commercials into ALL the states is the best warm up the Democrats could have imagined. Clinton and Obama agree on every major issue facing the future of America. Please quit pissing on the 18 million people we need in November.

"We don't need die-nasties."

Or win-nasties either.

I'm with you on this(I'd have phrased it a little different). This feels like McCain sucking up to the religious right. There are Honest reasons to be critical of Clinton.

I don't believe pretending after one speech that Clinton suddenly turned into someone she isn't is a requirement to putting a democrat in the White House. It's not like she CHOSE to give that speech, she was FORCED to give that speech. This wasn't about party unity, it was about protecting her own political hide - and we are supposed to pretend it was magnanimous?

As long as there is VP talk, I'm going to continue to point out who Clinton REALLY is. As important, we can't stick our heads in the sand an pretend like Clinton's face is not going to be prominently featured as a GOP spokesperson in ads for the rest of the campaign. She chose to make those statements, now we all have to deal with them.

Sorry Clintonites - it's time to take some responsibility for what your candidate did to the party. Pity party's over, now let's win the White House.

You've got to think strategically, though. Hillary has successfully created a coalition. She knows it, Obama knows it, and the DNC knows it. Whether or not what she did was wise or honorable is beside the point now. She has no choice but to acknowledge what she has done and work to bring her coalition back into the fold. They may decide to support Obama at some point, or they may not. But they'll vote for him because Hillary supports him. She has made herself indispensable to Obama and to the Party and everyone knows it.

At the same time, Obama has also built a coalition. I'm part of this group - not a democrat but willing to work my ass off to elect them this year

There must be room for both - and honesty is the only way that will happen. I am happy to have any debate civilly and rationally, but we just can't close the door on debate because of a few hysterical bloggers.

Real sorry she won, dude.
Does kinda make us mad that DNC ignored the voters and appointed Obama.
But I know there are lots of mediocre insiders who were pretty damned jealous, and didn't care how badly the party was divided, or who won the GE.

David Ogilvey, a legendary advertising guy said most people think mediocrity welcomes brilliance, but in his experience, mediocrity wants to kill it off, stamp it dead.

This is what happened to Clinton. Imagine the bitterness that Kerry and Uncle Ted felt when the job they lusted for was right within reach of this new broad in the senate.

Every time she picked up a major state, they'd scream "Get out!"

She lost? Ask the voters in PA, CA, NY, OH and WV if she lost?

The democrats use DELEGATES to determine who wins. Obama won more than Hillary. Subsequently, more than enough superdelegates came forward to make MI and FL irrelevant. Technically, the superdelegates could "Come to their senses" and switch in great enough numbers to give Clinton the nomination. But shy of that, there isn't much to say.

Got it - it pisses you off. Can't change reality for you. It's an ownership is 9/10ths thing, and Obama is the nominee as far as the sane world is concerned at the moment. I sure don't control the outcomes and I can't make you not pissed, so any further discussion along these lines would bring diminishing returns.

For the record, IF the superdelegates did switch, I'd be pissed - unless there were some obvious reason. In that event you'll be in a position to say the above to me, because I'll be bitching.

If your point is that the world is not fair ... you are singing to the choir!

She only loses if Obama loses. Her role in this is now to support the nominee.

I won't bash you, Hillary. It was a difficult speech you had to make and you did a fine job. Thank you, Ma'am.

But if we may ask -- please Ma'am -- please put a muzzle on your friends, Diane Finestein and Charlie Rangel. Because, although we are sure you had nothing whatsoever to do with it, we are dismayed that less than 24 hours after your suspension and speech of endorsement, they took it upon themselves to promote you as VP on the Sunday talk show circuit.

I know you have no control over your colleagues or your posse. What are you to do in the face of such devotion that you have not already done on television? I'm sure that, just as you asked your posse of 18,000,000 to work for Obama, you asked your colleagues to drop the VP pitch.

This must be such an embarrassment to you. Never mind. We know your heart is in the right place and that you would never attempt to pressure your nominee for your own agenda, or sabotage perception of him as a strong, independent leader who is building momentum.

We know that you are all about unity and working together for a common purpose.

Thank you. And do send us a postcard from your vacation resort in Timbucktu. You have earned it.

Surely it can't be Charlie doing that....Didn't you write that Hillary was racist?

The primary campaign is over. I think it was Churchill who counseled us top be magnanimous in victory.

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But more importantly, how are those 18m voters going to feel, especially if they're true Democrats, not the swinging Reagan types, when they see the endless regurgitation from the McCain camp of Hillary's virulent attacks on the Democratic nominee?

They have a 3 page list apparently of attacks on Obama from fellow Democratic nominees and most of it came from Clinton and her campaign.

I'm hoping those attacks start soon because I think it'll have a significant dampening effect on the pressure to pick her as VP.

Obama will choose the vice presidential candidate. Campaigning to keep Hillary off the ticket only serves to make some other Democrats mad.

How will those 18m voters feel when they see the endless regurgitation from other Democrats of Hillary's mistakes and failings after Hillary's defeat?

She will either manage to redeem herself or she won't. She will either be able to bring her most devoted followers into the Democratic fold or she won't. That's her responsibility.

Ours is to preserve a Democratic fold they'll want to return to.

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Read your blog.
My only suggestion to you -- get some Vaseline.

The tab's on Hill, my friend.

There's an excellent post at the top of the rec list at DailyKOS right now that addresses how Hillary can fix all this, redeem herself for any of these past wrongs, and unify the party fairly easily. I thought it very interesting & would love to see it in action.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/8/151954/3212/594/532308

Why would anyone recommend this? What purpose does this serve? What thought-provoking nugget might someone have found here that they deemed worthwhile enough to commend this to others? What idea was expressed? How clever and nuanced? I can hardly fathom.

The party is dead, too.
Nobody heals when an election is stolen.

I'm not down with that.

The election wasn't stolen. Take your meds and come back tomorrow.

Waa waa waa. Quit being a big, ugly baby. Seriously--grow the hell up. It was a nominating contest. Nobody died.

If you're going to write a post like this, at least leave out sentences like this: "I have always tried to show restraint when it comes to Hillary bashing."


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I have a different take on Hillary's campaign now that it is all over.


Nothing her "oppo" research came up with was going to stay hidden, and absolutely nothing she did wasn't going to be done by the forces of darkness McCain has turned to in 2008 to keep the white house in their hands and this great country on the wrong course for four more years.

I was pissed when I watched some of the tactics used by some people in her campaign and what they did with what they found, however, things like the Rev Wright video was gonna come out anyway, and faux noise and the RNC 527's would have done in late Oct in the general election, what they had to do in democratic primary with it, hence in some strange way Barack was able to address this issue long before it could be used to ambush him and the American people.

In a very interesting way Hillary forced him to grow a little tougher, and figure out how to respond to attacks like this, which he was able to do, with grace and style. If Hillary wasn't able to get Barack Obama off message, then it is going to be much harder for republicans to do so, because Barack has been given a lesson in what he faces, early enough he could adapt while staying inside his own positive campaign.

Now on to letting John McCain have the best both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton can give that pompous self serving politician. (and Bill too)

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Any verification on the report that the more likely reason why Hillary will NOT ultimately be Obama's V.P. is that Bill (and may be Hillary herself) will NOT release their donor list from their Library and Foundation (too many controversial sources of money?). Obama says he wants more transparency in the White House and he wouldn't get it with Hillary as V.P.

Somebody should ask Obama if the U.S. govt should try the Bush Administration for war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan? The prosecutor's star witnesses would include (ex) Admiral William Fallon, (ex)CIA director George Tenet, and (ex) Press Sec Scott McClellan. That would be a good start and they would be credible witnesses.

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I can not abide sore losers. What the hell is the matter with you. Senator Clinton has conceded and asked all of her supporters to vote for Senator Obama. Why can you not take Yes for an answer.

Senator McCain, on the other hand, congratulates you for your good work in continuing to sow discord among progressive Democrats. Now is the time for all progressives to rally behind our nominee, and for all sore losers, and more especially Sore Winners, like the author of this irrational blog, to just STFU NOW!

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Re: "What the hell is the matter with you"

I suggest you look at his comment @ 3:03pm:

I'm pissed she's get away after doing some serious damage to the party.

It appears it's not enough to lose, you have to kick the shit out of her or something for not losing sooner or fighting to win too much. Hell of a way to run a political party, that would surely inspire a lot of people to sign up to run.

Ksahy's comments make me start wondering what effect the behavior of the Democratic blogs separating into bashfests of Obama and Clinton this round will have on that, finding people to run. It used to be the damage to the reputation by the press that discouraged them, now we have blogs set up for huge numbers of people to say all kinds of unsubtantiated things about candidates and spew vitriol and hate against the opponents. I also wonder what Howard Dean thinks of what direction the whole thing went after Deaniac-ism. I'd be surprised if Dean doesn't have studies that show there's a big difference between the demographics of who donates online and who has been blogging the loudest about this primary, and this has him thinking how the latter are a real problematic wild card as to party politics. Kashy's comments also make me wonder if Obama still thinks as poorly of the netroots like DKos as he once did. That so many of his professed followers like this on blogs don't follow his lead on things makes me wonder whether he will eventually have something to say about that.

People might wonder about my user name. It comes from my support of Ned Lamont's race for Senator in CT. I never thought too highly of the "help" the Firedoglake "netroots" gave Ned, I think they did more damage than help. I get the same kind of fears when I read a post like the one on top this thread and see people recommend it.

Kashy's last line is "I'm glad Clintons are history and I ain't gonna sh'up to make anyone feel better. We don't need die-nasties," The problem is, they're not history, as promient office holders, they are part of the Democratic party, and they will be for many years, just like the Kennedys were and are. If I was taking bets on who Obama might excommunicate from the party if he had the power and had to chose, the Clintons or Kashy, I would bet on the latter. If he can blame Clinton for damage to the party, I can blame people like him. Obama is trying to bring change the right way, a big tent, Kashy and friends are advocating for the wrong way, a small tent.

Me thinks mr. kashy has a hard time letting go of his "hates". Admittedly so for some of us it isn't the Clintons but the Bush's. But hey man, you can go on bashing away. Not sure what for but if it is your personal masturbation technique......have at it.

I don't share this sentiment and more importantly Barack Obama doesn't share your sentiment. The reason why Barack won was because he was always magnanimous and was always willing to reach out to friends and perceived "enemies" (within reason) alike. Clinton essentially lost because she did not do these things.

You are doing the opposite of what Obama succeeded with and espouses all his supporters to do. By being a magnanimous winner do you begin to make your former rivals your current partners.

To this day many old Japanese folk still fondly remember U.S. army-men tossing chocolate bars and candy to the hungry kids after the end of WWII. Lets stop the divisiveness already.

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I'm with you, Kashy. The toxin of Clintonism needs to be flushed out of the body politic. The bitch should be stomped on repeatedly.

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TROLL WARNING - "MANDY" - DO NOT RESPOND

click on the name 'Mandy" and note that there are no other comments by this person.

"she" is a troll, whose blatant statement is designed to foment division.

Normally I really like your posts, and I understand your anger but this site gets read by many not-so-extreme Hillary supporters. Please consider this.

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Just as Clinton supporters are going through a period of adjustment, so am I as an Obama supporter.

This sounds like human nature, no matter whom we supported during the primary.

Until yesterday, my stomach was in knots, worried that Hillary wouldn't concede for weeks or months, would never say she wanted to unite the party, much less carry through. Yes, throughout the campaign, she said she'd work to bring everyone together, once we had a nominee. However, her actions spoke more loudly, and she kept damaging Obama and the party as no primary candidate has in the past.

Her speech on Tuesday was unsettling in the extreme.

So I'm hugely relieved that at least, she said a lot of the right things yesterday.

Now that my stomach's starting to relax for the first time in months, I haven't presto! change-o! flipped to feeling positive about Hillary. That may never happen, and even though my anger will abate in the future, I won't be able to trust her again.

It's been clear for months that Hillary couldn't win enough delegates, unless masses of them turned against the party. For months, this information has been available to Hillary's supporters.

What Obama supporters couldn't know was what Hillary might do that would guarantee a McCain victory.

And now, the Obama supporters are saying Hillary supporters need weeks and months to adjust, even though the Obama campaign didn't pull any dirty tricks on their candidate.

Obama supporters need time to adjust, too, and to debrief with each other about how frightening and maddening Hillary's campaign was for us and for the party. She did a lot of damage. We'd be unrealistic not to worry that she may do more during the GE.

For the most part, Obama supporters here have respected constructive Hillary supporters and have given them time to go through their process, whether they switched to Obama or not.

I hope we will extend ourselves the same courtesy.

Can we stop talking about Clinton already??? Gawd!

Wait...she f'ed the party because she wouldnt roll over and play dead for you???

Grow up man. Obama doesnt need supporters like you.

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Kash appears to have wanted his 15 minutes of fame. Now, Kash, kindly return to TPM Central and make as many Hillary jokes as you'd like. The rest of us are going to try and look past our differences so that we can defeat John McCain. In my not so humble opinion, there is no place for folks who write things like you wrote in the Obama campaign. And the funny thing is that Senator Obama, if he ever had the opportunity to read what you wrote, would agree with this supporter of Hillary Clinton and would reject you as an irrelevent relic of all that was wrong with this year's campaign.

Oh, but congratulations on all the recommendations you received for this sophomoric trash. Frame it; you must be very proud of yourself, especially for the title you thought of.

Well said, bslev.

The rest of us are going to try to defeat McCain.

Why relive Obama vs. Hillary debates now? Why initiate debates between Obama supporters like me who want conciliation and victory and Obama supporters who refuse to move on?

Both Obama and Hillary want unity now. Where is the benefit in energizing old divisions and creating new ones? You appear to be practicing the old politics Obama wants to leave behind, but with nothing to gain.

Does the pleasure of recycling personal vitriol outweigh the importance of electing Obama now that he's the nominee?


Sore winners and sore losers. Great combo.

I was wondering which piss-ant on this site would scribble some puerile last shot at Clinton before running completely out of anything worthwhile to say - turns out it was the piss-antiest poster of them all. Congrats.

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Stop, please, with the Hillary-bashing. Why not keep your vitriol to yourself until you can find a way to make something constructive out of it? And no, this blog post was not it.

Your "dead" language has no justification whatsoever. It makes me a little embarrassed as a Democrat to read this on a site that's built its reputation on strong reporting and intelligent discussion.

It's over already. Can you move on, please?

ONe interesting thing i've found is that people seem to thing that its Obama's job alone to "unify" the party, even though he's not the one who divided it up in the first place.

Hillary Clinton ran a negative kitchen-sink campaign, and in the process alienated everyone from african-americans to the "activist base".

And yet, judging by the comments coming from the "kumbya" crowd, she bears absolutely no responsibility at all in trying to put this party back together again.

I get that obama is the nominee. And i'm damned proud of that fact. And as the nominee, he HAS to put the party together again for its HIS party now.

But he's not the one responsible for dividing it. Hillary Clinton is. And she should have some responsibilty in putting it back together again.

Clinton made the mess, and now Obama has to try and clean it up.

No, he started it.
No, she started it.
Where are the adults?

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