Sorry--no can do.

If the nutjobs that deny the nomination stay home, we still win.

It's time to for the party to evolve and shed the dead weight of politics as usual. With us or against us, we will win on the merits of our policy and our candidate.

Hillary will NOT force herself on this ticket, and should be ashamed of her actions last night.

It's time to come clean and kiss the ring (Obama's ass).

Once the shock wears off and eyes are cleared, Sen. Clinton's supporters will realize that the next president will choose one maybe two Supreme Court Justices, the economy has been shitty under the Republicans and our country has suffered internationally. Sen. McCain doesn't have the skill set to right the ship.

I know women and Hillary does not have a lock on the support of all women voters. As a matter of fact, most women I know do not support her because of her bizarre behavior. Hillary has lost and she is now trying to force her way onto the Obama ticket. Because of the tactics that she is using, if Obama chooses her now, he will be seen as being weak. Think about it. All of the other presidential candidates also were disappointed with losing the contest. They were able to show grace in defeat, but not Hillary. She is still on this entitlement crusade. You have to wonder if she has a bigger motive and pursuing the VP slot is only a smokescreen.

For the topic starter. Im not being coy and or an ass. Hillary Clinton is a Rep of the Dem Party. I know people have different opinions I suspect there are some who feel she should get yet another pass by not acknowledging that Obama won last night. Just for me though,Is there any point that Hillary Clinton should be asked to show Leadership that about more than her own ambitions?

"The amount of bitterness, hatred and venom being spit at her is going to drive her supporters to McCain."

Good. If they're dumb enough to support Hillary, they're dumb enough to support McCain. Then they can scream and cry all over again when they lose in November.

Nearly half the voting dems in the country have been voting for HRC, even when she's been "losing" for months, according to the CW on this site.

Not all are racist old women, just as not all Obama voters are innocents abroad in the adult world.

Unfortunately, Obama's supporters on this site do seem to show support by trashing his opponent. The constant excoriation of HRC's campaign tactics is hilarious. Have they not experienced a presidential campaign before?

Good try, Robby. Most of the Obama folks never really got it. It seemed as if they thought August was everything. It's too bad because it could have been a landslide year.

With all those "newcomers Obama brought to the party", it's a shame that he couldn't bring more adults.

"If we kick her and stomp her while her campaign is in its death throes"

We'll cross that bridge once her campaign enters its death throes, and not a moment sooner.

Hillary is demanding the right to keep on fighting while demanding that Obama stop; that's not how it works.

Ow, centerpunch, that hurts so baaad. He's calling me names (that's a whine).

I'm voting Obama in November. What part of my post was kooky baseless generalization whine and victimization? I specified "this site" (meaning those like you) - not Obama supporters in general.

"If we kick her and stomp her while her campaign is in its death throes...."

The problem is that she doesn't recognize death throes. There have now been multiple junctures when it looks like she should gracefully ease out of this thing, and many Obama supporters, including myself, ease up on her, and say we need to give her space, and not gloat and so on... and then?....

Nothing. She doesn't go anywhere. She isn't gracious to Obama. She ratchets up the rhetoric. She acts like somehow he's to blame for her problems, when in fact he's been bending over backwards not to alienate her supporters. His reward is a speech like the one last night.

She's been "demanding respect" for months now. But she shows him none. Fuck her. Fuck that fucking bitch. I hate her guts. She's already screwed her Party. She's a Clinton first, second and third, and a Democrat fourth.

Robby Love: "The amount of bitterness, hatred and venom being spit at her is ..."

... apparently in proportion to the bitterness, hatred and venom she encourages.

This is someone who appears to have little ability to wield power gracefully. It was evident when, as First Lady, she began acting like the Viceroy for Health Care Reform. It's been evident throughout her primary campaign, but in particular since February, which was years ago.

While her political ideology may be barely left of centre, the behaviour that seems to come most naturally to her, and with which she seems most comfortable, is that of a fascist.

The same can be said of those of her supporters who pretend to defend her by threatening anyone they deem to be a threat to her.

They seem not to have noticed, but the country, let alone the world, have a few pressing problems that require attention more than they or their leader. They've been defeated. Now if they would simply pay the rest of us the courtesy of getting the fuck out of our faces, ...

Okay, I am wondering if we need a vent period/party where everyone goes nuts to the nth degree and vents all of their pent up emotions uncensored. We let both sides go nutz and get as disgusting and ugly and evil and nasty as they need to get all they way... make a contest of how low they and dirty they can go... everything you haven't said, you wanted to say, especially if you've been sucking it up... let it allllll outtt.No holes barred. Don't hold back. I mean really go for it... Hillary and Barack... fair game...heck me too I'm an Obama supporter... have at me... let out all of the pain and frustration and let's see how everyone feels tomorrow... or however long it takes.
Sometimes you've just got to let it out... and maybe when everyone is through we'll have a lot of energy available for something else....:)

Hillary has been very well treated, all things considered. She ran a campaign -- the second part, anyway, that she called the "kitchen sink strategy" -- that, in every way, mirrored the "politics of personal destruction" campaigns directed against the Clintons in the 1990s. And sometimes, she went even further.

And then, to add insult to insult, she had her lackey go out on stage to tell her supporters they were welcoming the next president of the United States -- on the night Obama won the nomination!

Anything that anyone says about Hillary at this point will be milder than the outrage I feel at what she did. And with McCain using video clips of her smearing Obama in his campaign ads, will continue doing, even after she's gone.

She deserves worse condemnation than she'll ever get here.

Pity her? That's not an especially kind word either, my friend.

I say, just shut up about Hillary already. She has become the bogeywoman - the object of (in my view) so much irrational hatred and scorn. Even on the day Obama won, some people just can't seem to let go.

Well, it's over. She conceded now. If you want to woo her supporters who are your natural allies, many of them smart, principled progressives, pity is not the best way to start.

I watched a few minutes of Fox News tonight (I can usually only tolerate a few minutes), and they had some young female Republican strategist in the studio debating a young female Democratic strategist in DC. The Republican was such a horrible, disgusting goofball, bitter, deranged and on the attack. It was infuriating and enough to make me forget Hillary Clinton.

After these aweful Rovian attack dogs start coming out of the woodwork and creating such spectacles, we're all going to be able to channel our negative energy where it rightfully belongs–at Republicans. Hillary mostly angered me when she moved into this territory, but seeing it for real, makes me realize that at her worst, she was nowhere near these people.

Magnaminity is reserved for those who concede. Until she does that, Sen. Clinton declares herself to be the continuing enemy of the nominee of the Democratic Party. As the enemy, it isn't appropriate to stop targeting her. One does not drop the épée while one's oponent is still in mid-lunge. Wouldn't be prudent.

"Just keep it up and see where it gets your dishonest muslim candidate!!!"

Arrogant, provocative and elitist comments like these started most of the heated arguments we have seen here, and it started just after Edwards dropped out and Obama steamrolled to the lead.

Like I posted earlier, just go back to the beginning of the trash talk, and almost without exception, it was something like this that started the hateful games of verbal leapfrog that we just can't seem top quiet, now that the deal is done.

I don't know whom you're replying to maggi, but Muslim? Seriously? I'm pretty sure that Hillary supporters who believe that garbage aren't people that Obama can win over anyway, so it really doesn't matter.

http://www.counterpunch.org/gonzalez02292008.html

February 29, 2008
Count Me Out
The Obama Craze

By MATT GONZALEZ

Part of me shares the enthusiasm for Barack Obama. After all, how could someone calling themself a progressive not sense the importance of what it means to have an African-American so close to the presidency? But as his campaign has unfolded, and I heard that we are not red states or blue states for the 6th or 7th time, I realized I knew virtually nothing about him.

Like most, I know he gave a stirring speech at the Democratic National Convention in 2004. I know he defeated Alan Keyes in the Illinois Senate race; although it wasn't much of a contest (Keyes was living in Maryland when he announced). Recently, I started looking into Obama's voting record, and I'm afraid to say I'm not just uninspired: I'm downright fearful. Here's why:

This is a candidate who says he's going to usher in change; that he is a different kind of politician who has the skills to get things done. He reminds us again and again that he had the foresight to oppose the war in Iraq. And he seems to have a genuine interest in lifting up the poor.

But his record suggests that he is incapable of ushering in any kind of change I'd like to see. It is one of accommodation and concession to the very political powers that we need to reign in and oppose if we are to make truly lasting advances.

THE WAR IN IRAQ

Let's start with his signature position against the Iraq war. Obama has sent mixed messages at best.

First, he opposed the war in Iraq while in the Illinois state legislature. Once he was running for US Senate though, when public opinion and support for the war was at its highest, he was quoted in the July 27, 2004 Chicago Tribune as saying, "There's not that much difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage.
The difference, in my mind, is who's in a position to execute." The Tribune went on to say that Obama, "now believes US forces must remain to stabilize the war-ravaged nation ­ a policy not dissimilar to the current approach of the Bush administration."

Obama's campaign says he was referring to the ongoing occupation and how best to stabilize the region. But why wouldn't he have taken the opportunity to urge withdrawal if he truly opposed the war? Was he trying to signal to conservative voters that he would subjugate his anti-war position if elected to the US Senate and perhaps support a lengthy occupation? Well as it turns out, he's done just that.

Since taking office in January 2005 he has voted to approve every war appropriation the Republicans have put forward, totaling over $300 billion. He also voted to confirm Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of State despite her complicity in the Bush Administration's various false justifications for going to war in Iraq. Why would he vote to make one of the architects of "Operation Iraqi Liberation" the head of US foreign policy? Curiously, he lacked the courage of 13 of his colleagues who voted against her confirmation.

And though he often cites his background as a civil rights lawyer, Obama voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act in July 2005, easily the worse attack on civil liberties in the last half-century. It allows for wholesale eavesdropping on American citizens under the guise of anti-terrorism efforts.

And in March 2006, Obama went out of his way to travel to Connecticut to campaign for Senator Joseph Lieberman who faced a tough challenge by anti-war candidate Ned Lamont. At a Democratic Party dinner attended by Lamont, Obama called Lieberman "his mentor" and urged those in attendance to vote and give financial contributions to him. This is the same Lieberman who Alexander Cockburn called "Bush's closest Democratic ally on the Iraq War." Why would Obama have done that if he was truly against the war?

Recently, with anti-war sentiment on the rise, Obama declared he will get our combat troops out of Iraq in 2009. But Obama isn't actually saying he wants to get all of our troops out of Iraq. At a September 2007 debate before the New Hampshire primary, moderated by Tim Russert, Obama refused to commit to getting our troops out of Iraq by January 2013 and, on the campaign trail, he has repeatedly stated his desire to add 100,000 combat troops to the military.

At the same event, Obama committed to keeping enough soldiers in Iraq to "carry out our counter-terrorism activities there" which includes "striking at al Qaeda in Iraq." What he didn't say is this continued warfare will require an estimated 60,000 troops to remain in Iraq according to a May 2006 report prepared by the Center for American Progress. Moreover, it appears he intends to "redeploy" the troops he takes out of the unpopular war in Iraq and send them to Afghanistan. So it appears that under Obama's plan the US will remain heavily engaged in war.

This is hardly a position to get excited about.

CLASS ACTION REFORM:

In 2005, Obama joined Republicans in passing a law dubiously called the Class Action Fairness Act (CAFA) that would shut down state courts as a venue to hear many class action lawsuits. Long a desired objective of large corporations and President George Bush, Obama in effect voted to deny redress in many of the courts where these kinds of cases have the best chance of surviving corporate legal challen