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RIP Mr. Russert but I'm still pissed

Forgive me for this post but I have to say it. I mean no disrespect. That said…

While I am saddened by the passing of anyone, especially an icon of our times, I am struggling with the emotions which are within me right now.

Am I the only one who feels resentment for what I see as Mr. Russert’s selling himself, and us, out over the last several years? His taking what the administration said to him as “off the record” unless otherwise stated is the antithesis of journalism.  His involvement with the Plame affair, his softballing interviews, the “debates.”  We, as a nation, are reaping the rewards of this type of journalism.

As an icon, I believe that he had more of a responsibility than others. I don’t expect much from the Bill O’Hannity-Coulter’s of the world. But I did and do hold those who are highly respected to act responsibly. And I don’t feel that has taken place in the last eight plus years.

My heart goes out to his friends and family. I am sorry for their loss and their pain.

I am also sorry for the loss of the integrity and very meaning of my country. Mr. Russert was a part of the Fourth Estate of our country. And I am very angry about and deeply saddened by their failures.

Please tell me if I am off the mark or if you disagree. But these emotions within me are not going away - rather the opposite. Every time I see him canonized, it angers me that much more. For this isn’t about him or me, it is about US.

RIP Mr. Russert.

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No, this is a fair assessment. Russert gave as many passes as some others who know better.

But in these last years, those who didn't give a pass became objects of derision. Look at Helen Thomas. And, though not in the media, look at Dennis Kucinich.

I'll never understand what the appeal was or is about George Bush, either as a leader or a person. But whatever it could be, that combined with the rah rah, America's great, let's get those damned terrorists mentality after September 11, 2001 created a perfect storm that seemed to make journalists fear that they'd be labeled unpatriotic if they exercised any critical thinking.

So Russert, like other of his colleagues at NBC, CBS, and ABC, tarnished their own legacies by making how they looked to others more important than how they performed their jobs.

I think it's fear, myself. I don't think there was anything about GeeDubs, but threats of tuning those who didn't rah-rahingly support the admin was threatened with persona non grata status, which in turn makes the corporate media no money. This pretty well sums up what was and is wrong with both corporate owned media and this criminal administration.

Just as they put friendly propaganda networks in place, they also cut off at the knees any of the once true Fourth Estate early into the administration in 2001.

The things that have happened to and in the name of this country were long planned. This was not some off-the-cuff effort. It was a very highly organized way to manipulate the media and the populace from long before day one.

All that said, you mentioned Helen Thomas. Her passing would make me write an entirely different kind of post. She has more balls than most of the other "players" in our "news" services.

p.s. I had asked once before but never saw a response (or found it, if you ever saw my question to start with). What is your avitar?

Among the "talking heads" Tim Russert was the lone one who asked a soft worded tough question, frequently many times, making those who were playing "artful dodger" squirm. I suspect Ms Joanne, you did not like his velvet covered iron fisted questions to Mrs. Clinton. But that's OK, John McCain was known to throw hissy fits when he was due to appear on his program. Among those who blab on Sunday morning that only leaves Bob Schieffer who isn't a toady. As it happens, Tim Russert WAS in management.

So Russert, like other of his colleagues at NBC, CBS, and ABC, tarnished their own legacies by making how they looked to others more important than how they performed their jobs.
As did many others in the public light, while a fair number of us sat agonizing on the sidelines, wondering if our point of view would ever get a corner of the spotlight, or treated with half the respect accorded to the most common of conspiracy theorists.

I mourn Russert's passing as the early death of an entertainer, but not as the loss of a serious journalist. He did good work in his personal life and I think he will be sorely, sorely missed by many. However, people who looked to his shows for their guiding light are no better than those who watch Jon Stewart for political analysis.

Just to clarify, I don't mean this as to disparage Russert -- the opposite really. I'm trying to say we can't hold him to some perfect infallible standard. It's wrong that he supported the war, and that deserves acknowledgment. That doesn't invalidate the good things he did in life, though -- and as far as pundits go, he wasn't half bad.

My comments are not personal in nature, not in the least. It is purely political. He was a career politico. His life was politics.

On a personal note, it is not my place to comment, nor would I. I feel the sadness of losing someone, especially someone relative young. It is sad when someone goes before what should be their time.

My comment was solely political and I hope no one takes it (them) as anything but.

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I suppose I agree with your sentiment, but disagree that Mr. Russert should be placed into the 'politics' box vs. the 'entertainment' box. Or should it be polutainment?

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The press, unfortunately was not the only source of passes:

From USA TODAY 7/2/2007

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama laid out list of political shortcomings he sees in the Bush administration but said he opposes impeachment for either President George W. Bush or Vice President Dick Cheney.

You are right on the money, Ms. Joanne.

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Maybe it's just me, but I feel compelled to set the record straight when I see the kind of over-the-top adulation at the time of an important person's death that overlooks the (see the death of Ronald Reagan). In most cases, I don't think it is polite to bring up the dearly departed flaws but, in the case of someone as public and influential as Russert, it's not out of line to mention that he epitomized the "conventional wisdom" of the MSM - and that's not a compliment.

I too was appalled at the UFO question Russert asked Dennis Kucinich in one of the debates. He tried to marginalize a decent and intelligent candidate for the presidency of the freaking United States with a question designed to make him look like a loony. NO. OTHER. PURPOSE. That ONE question forever doomed Russert in my estimation. He was just another purveyor of "conventional wisdom" limited and narrow in his understanding and, therefore, dangerous because of his power.

Nonetheless, RIP Tim.

The response of MSNBC to Tim Russert's death is emblematic of the problems with the MSM.

Reporting the death of Russert, the NBC News Washington Bureau Chief, is news. Paying tribute to Russert, is understandable. But the tribute is quickly becoming martyrdom, as MSNBC News devotes non-stop coverage of all things Tim. And the irony is, the coverage is not preempting the reporting of scheduled news, but rather the regurgitation of infernal prison "doc-blocks".

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I was especially turned off by MSNBC's over the top response: Andrea Mitchell, the Jeff Gannon of MSM, hosting a tribute hour to Russert, at least she seemed sober. After my gag reflex subsided, I quickly turned to reruns of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and a Margarita. RIP MSM

Very funny!!

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I simply cannot believe that people are taking this time in a family's greatest loss to debate a man's career. You must be very shallow people. You cannot claim that your "heart goes out to" someone's family and friends and turn around and post something like this one day after a man's death. Look in the mirror. There is not someone with a heart standing there.

This about political reporting. And I think it is appropriate. Sorry you don't agree, but screw you otherwise. Who the he'll are you to make a comment like that?

This is about our country and the damage inflicted upon it!

How dare you!

Baloney. One can pay tribute to the life of the man and honor his contributions, and still be fair in debating the highs and lows of his career. Tim Russert of all people would agree.

I religiously watched Meet the Press, but I was often critical of Russert. In my opinion, Russert too often concentrated on the gotcha aspect of what someone said years ago, as if a change in one's opinion was the highest political crime. Russert also had a bad habit of not asking the timely follow-up question.

The Meet the Press guest list was notably slanted to the right. Russert explained this as a coincidence due to the fact that republicans had all the power. And yet, on the weekend following the Democratic takeover of Congress, Russert's guests were John McCain and Joe Lieberman.

And when it came to the run up to the Iraq invasion, Russert not only provided the administration free access, but he provided overwhelming space to select journalists who echoed the administration's talking points. Asked later by Bill Moyers, why Russert didn't provide opportunities for those in government who disagreed with the administration, Russert replied "I wish my phone had rung." This from a journalist who is said to have contacts througout Washington.

And then there's the outright ignoring of Global Warming. For example, of the 986 questions involving presidential candidates that Russert asked in interviews and debates, only two mentioned Global Warming.

By all means, honor the man. But in the grief, lets not have a Reagan-like glossover of the facts.

AHHHHH, righteous indignation, you tell 'em Shelley!

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I actually view your insight as being too mild in nature if you keep in mind the vile nature of how Timmy let our hunta in government get away with all they did. Yes, too bad that he has died but I'll always remember him as "Timmy The Whore".

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Forgive my bad spelling ... it should be "junta" and not hunta. It's before sunrise here.

Excellent post. You are right to speak now. I know there is cultural pressure to "not speak ill of the dead" but it's not like those complaints were not made in his lifetime. If not now, when? In a month when the spotlight has passed and the issue has no salience?

When people die it's appropriate to take stock. Varnishing over the truth does nothing but perpetuate the problem of journalistic toadying to the Administration, inadequate coverage of issues and over-emphasis of the horse race and the lifting up of the trivial and inane such as the Farrakhan endorsement of Obama. Russert asked Obama 4 times about that and asked McCain nothing about Hagee. That's not journalism, that's putting your thumb on the scale.

This is the time to assess his career. These complaints are not from people who said nothing while he lived, these complaints have been there for a long time.

And to take nothing away from Russert - but TWO DAYS of nothing but Russert tributes on cable news? What about the 1000 prisoners freed by al Qaeda in Pakistan? What about the flood in Iowa. Exactly how self-referential (and self-reverential for that matter) is the media? Gerald Ford didn't get that much attention when he died. Russert was an important and influential journalist (too influential considering some of his views on journalism) but his death was not the most important thing that happened in America over the last two days.

Though, I guess if they can spend a week on Anna Nicole Smith's death, hmmm, maybe they can get back to real news in say...a month. I mean, his death should trump hers, right?

Awesome reply. Every time something like this really gets going in the media I start to think our country is out of its frigging mind. Then I remember that it is the television people who are doing the canonizing. The vast percentage of my fellow Americans probably have no idea who Russert was.

You are exactly right. The American media (and teevee especially) are incestuous. They have lost all sense of perspective.

I have found the perfect solution and it has brought me great peace of mind - I no longer watch television news programs. Because they are, pretty much, purveyors of garbage.

Turn it off, folks. You'll feel like you've been freed.

I've gone a step further - I don't even have a TV :)

Radical! :)

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This whole Russert thing is yet another example of how easy it is for the corporate media to manufacture emotion, which they know will draw people more than news.

Corporatized media is the entity most responsible for the death of intelligent civil discourse in this country. Americans as a group won't realize this until after we are smashed to our knees by events that, thanks to the media's malfeasance, we never saw coming.

Amen, Amen, Amen!

It's a drug. Seek out your own information sources, don't let information be passively fed to you.

Oregon,

I really like your defense of this post.

Here's something I posted across the hall on TPM:


I started to dislike Russert thoroughly when, after Bush/Cheney were elected, Russert had Cheney on MTP. Russert, grinning ear to ear during the interview, was almost orgasmic having Cheney there in front of him and Russert kept referring to Cheney's "gravitas." Don't forget Mary Matalin's reference to MTP as a way of the Bush gang getting out their message.

Waxman's committee heard testimony that on election night 2000, Welch, not liking what he was seeing on NBC, went to the NBC studios and got Brokaw and Russert to call the elction for Bush

During the Hillary/Lazio Senate race debate Russert asked Hillary; Do you regret misleading the American people on Monica on the Tody Show? and; is Joe Lieberman part of the right wing conspiracy? These questions had nothing to do with the Senate race.

Look, Russert and Matthews and maybe a few more millionaire 'journalists' are living in McMansions on Nantucket with their mentor, Republican ex GE head Jack Welch. They all left any connection they had to 90% of Americans long ago.

A neighbor/friend died recently and I was quite saddened, Russert's passing means nothing to me.


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Thanks for the post, MsJoanne. I agree wholeheartedly.

If Tim Russert was the best broadcast journalist we had, as many are saying, then that's a poor commentary on what we have left. I never thought his badgering style led to any important revelations from his guests, like whether Condi was going to run for president in 2008. Since it turns out she didn't run, Russert's time would have been better spent pinning her down on something important. But no, that was pure Russert: go after the trivial. Her answer, by the way, was a definitive no.

Maybe he was a great person in real life. Maybe he was a mentor to some. I have no way of knowing, since I didn't know him personally. In his role as a TV journalist, the only role I do know, he was mediocre on his best days. Maybe he looks like a giant now because everyone else is so puny.

But also, the vain press loves a story about itself more than any other story, and in elevating Russert, they of course elevate themselves. They'll do the same for O'Reilly and Matthews and the rest.

I've tried to Google old interviews Russert did with the current administration, but they are too hard to dig up right now because of all the obituaries. I think the only accurate assessment of Russert's journalistic merits can be divined from the archives.

MediaMatters has been keeping a watchful eye on Tim Russert and Meet the Press.

http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/search_results?qstring=tim+russert&from_date=&to_date=&issue=&subissue=&topic=&person=3012&show=3014&outlet=3008&x=30&y=16

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Thanks, Kaneblues. I LOVE Media Matters. Was going to check them next, but got waylaid.

I was looking for Tim Russert interviewing Donald Rumsfeld about Osama bin Laden's hideaway in the caves of Tora Bora. Russert put a preposterous illustration on screen for viewers. I found the illustration, and a bit of the interview. Suffice to say, I stopped watching Russert after this interview. That was in November 2001.

The story probably reached its high point on NBC's Meet The Press on December 2nd when Tim Russert, the host of the program, provided Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld with the artist's rendering of bin Laden's fortress. The interview proceeded:

Russert: The Times of London did a graphic, which I want to put on the screen for you and our viewers. This is it. This is a fortress. This is a very much a complex, multi-tiered, bedrooms and offices on the top, as you can see, secret exits on the side and on the bottom, cut deep to avoid thermal detection so when our planes fly to try to determine if any human beings are in there, it's built so deeply down and embedded in the mountain and the rock it's hard to detect. And over here, valleys guarded, as you can see, by some Taliban soldiers. A ventilation system to allow people to breathe and to carry on. An arms and ammunition depot. And you can see here the exits leading into it and the entrances large enough to drive trucks and cars and even tanks. And it's own hydroelectric power to help keep lights on, even computer systems and telephone systems. It's a very sophisticated operation.

Rumsfeld: Oh, you bet. This is serious business. And there's not one of those. There are many of those. And they have been used very effectively. And I might add, Afghanistan is not the only country that has gone underground. Any number of countries have gone underground. The tunneling equipment that exists today is very powerful. It's dual use. It's available across the globe. And people have recognized the advantages of using underground protection for themselves.

A few weeks after the "Meet the Press" interview, US special forces and their Afghan allies occupied Tora Bora. They painstakingly searched Gree Khil mountain and the surrounding area. They found no underground fortress, no hydro-electric power plant, no 2000-room hotel, no ant farm, no iron doors, no ventilating shafts. The troglodyte Lair of Bin Laden turned out to be mythic.

I wanted to find this because I wasn't sure it was Russert who gave us this glorious bit of comic book news. I'm sad to say my memory was correct.

You are right on the money with this post. I am sorry for his family. That is as far as my sympathy goes. I hold the same amount of regard for Russert as I do for any the sideshow freaks on TV. They will get respect as soon as they earn respect. As it is, I find very few who earn anything other than derision and anger.

This is the commentary I was looking for. Thanks and well done.

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Although you may diagree with Russert's handling of the Bush adminstration, it appears that he was genuine to his friends and colleagues. I too don't agree with the softball interviews and gotcha questions targeted at some he interviewed.

They are in mourning at NBC and having a hard time focusing on anything else. A mourning period is expected.

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"Although you may diagree with Russert's handling of the Bush adminstration, it appears that he was genuine to his friends and colleagues. "

Take a wild guess how many of Russert's friends and colleagues have lost sons and daughters in the Iraq war that Russert helped promote.

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Your post is right on the mark. I agree; it's sad for his wife, son and extended family. And, it's at the same time true that his work as a journalist left most of us on the left not just disappointed but downright pissed. He could have had a big positive impact on American (world?) life.

I think the reason many have such a problem with this type of post is because we in the west have such a negative view of death. We're all gonna follow Tim.

Russert was all that's been written here and more.

Dying so suddenly and unexpectedly as Russert did shocked a lot of us and reminded us of our mortality. Combine that with the fact that he was, indeed, an icon and perennial host of a much-watched TV show, and it's natural that he will be mourned and lionized. However, many people who eulogize him also point out the times when they felt like throwing something through the TV screen during MTP.

Russert was not Gandhi. He was not MLK. He was a journalist in a flawed medium during a profoundly flawed time. I don't see anyone today who can take on the mantle of Edward R. Murrow or Walter Cronkite. That kind of journalism is dead or close to it. The truth is no longer what sells, and with the eager assistance of the Bush regime, ownership of major media companies has consolidated in the hands of highly partisan entities - in many cases not even American citizens!

I have been a journalist, though not a political one, for more than a quarter of a century, and I know that integrity isn't all that difficult. It's a matter of choice and commitment. But in these times, if I were a TV anchor, I would have been fired long ago, because I simply would not have gone along with the falsification and trivialization of news. My integrity means more to me than my paycheck. I would be out of a job, so it makes me wonder about those who are not.

So Russert, compared with many on TV today, was probably better, but he wasn't perfect. And TV "news" today is so flawed that by comparison he looks far superior. But in comparison to what?

Ms. Joanne, I don't think your post was in any way disrespectful. And I agree with many that to ignore the ambiguities and human frailties of any person is only to rewrite history, as they have done with Reagan.

And further, I think it goes without saying that the MSM today isn't news at all, but pandering to our basest instincts and propensity toward distraction over substance. It is empty heads spouting teleprompter garbage.

I was a guest on a TV show a couple of times, and the talking head came in, knew nothing about the subject I was there to discuss, and basically asked the stupidest questions possible. I had to answer them as if they mattered because there were no retakes - unless the talking head wanted to have one. It was depressing, and I saw first hand how empty some of these people can be. Which is why I prefer my news from Jon Stewart, who proves again and again that he actually has a grasp of issues, even if he is "only a comedian."

I think Jon Stewart is much more than a comedian. Watch him give Tucker Carlson a good smackdown.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vmj6JADOZ-8

And, I agree...Carlson is a dick.

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Right on, raider99. There are very few journalists today that would warrant the adulation pouring out for Russert. Certainly not Russert.

In this time of historic consequence for this nation, very few passed the test. In my book, Bill Moyers and the McClatchy team come to mind and a few of the old pros like Walter Pincus and Seymour Hersh. And, I'm liking Dan Rather lately for some of his stands, especially his speech the other day at the National Conference on Media Reform.

And, as you point out, Jon Stewart comes far closer to the truth with comedy than the MSM EVER will.

As we marched into Iraq post 9-11, demanding retribution, the only sanity and reason and truth that I could find came for Hersh and Moyers. And they won't be around forever. Their brand of journalism is dying out. But, we do have the net...

Agreed wholeheartedly. There are a few left - Hersh and Moyers being among them. They aren't all missing in action, but look at what they did to Moyers. Once they were really the "voices of America," now they are more like voices in the wilderness, to all our sorrow and detriment. But thanks for pointing them out. These are the people who deserve our attention, praise and gratitude.

You people are heartless, for the most part. Regardless of fair criticisms of Russert's work, no one is perfect, the fact that you're so self-involved as to post about it before his body is laid to rest shows a real lack of humanity.

Tim nailed everyone when he could, regardless of party. He was a great journalist and a dedicated father, husband and son. Can't we at least wait a little while before we turn on the venom for the deceased?

I'm sure I will now be ridiculed and labeled a Republican, since that's how these boards go. Just think about having some fucking sensitivity.

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Who did Russert nail? I'm asking sincerely because I missed it.

Russert did great interviews and he was a good journalist, but he was not a great journalist. Russert never got outside the box of conventional mainstream American opinion. Those who have powerful positions should be held to a standard equal to their power. Russert had the power to get outside the box and ask hard questions about Iraq and other big issues - global warming, economic inequality, etc. -- and he didn't. He just kept reciting his personal family story and saw every issue through those rose colored glasses. He appeared to be a very happy guy doing what he loved to do and he died doing it. I can't feel sorry for him. I sympathize with his family. But his work should be evaluated as work not as sentiment.

Russert was a great journalist?

Uhm, not since 9/11, that's for sure.

Agree with you MsJoanne but I'm willing to cut MSNBC some slack since he basically died in the office in front of his co-workers.

Compared to the rest of the bunch, doing the same thing (and I'm excluding Moyers and Thomas), he at least 'prepared' and IMO took it a step further then the rest.

Yes, he could have done more and he could have gone farther, but he didn't.

He's dead too soon and his coworkers are clearly devastated which to me is one hell of a tribute to the kind of man he must have been.

I always learned something from Meet the Press, can't really say I was that impressed with his debate moderating skills...RIP, TR...

Kudos. This heartless truth-lover recommends your post and commends you for your courage. Had Tim Russert dedicated his life to disseminating the truth, then he too would have commended you.

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Just read on C&L, NBC is looking at hacks de jour David Gregory, Joe Scarborough and Chris Matthews to host Press the Flesh. What a joke. If NBC were serious about good interviewing with well thought out, tough questions, these jokers ain’t it. Someone such as David Shuster would be ideal.

I've had many frustrations with many journalists, as have we all. But Russert never stooped to the level of Hannity, or O'Reilly. There are even times when I get tired of Olbermann, even though he bats for my team.

The point is, there's a time and place for everything. And trashing a man so soon after his death just reflects poorly on one's humanity.

Since the man was a public personage and is being discussed everywhere then I think truth is called for because it is always called for.

Death does not instantly convey some kind of sanctity to the deceased. What they were is still what they were.

I did not "trash" him.

I voiced my disappointment in his political reporting over the last eight years.

There is nothing trashing about that.

Russert should be judged as a journalist. That is what he claimed to be and what he was paid to be.

Hannity and O'Reilly are not journalists. They are pundits. Opinion-mongers. Talk show hosts. It's apples and oranges - or apples and ugli fruit.

There is a difference. Being more objective than Hannity and O'Reilly is not the point. Hannity and O'Reilly were hired precisely for their opinions and biases - not for objectivity.


Well, I didn't know the man personally, so I feel nothing. One is always sorry when something like this happens, but I've long been of the opinion that simply dying does not erase the bad things you did when you were alive.

I have never been a fan of Tim Russert's; I'm not a fan of many of our current journalists.

I think they are a disgrace. We handed them the freest fucking press on earth - so important it merited the very first fucking amendment. And this is what they did with it - turned it into a propaganda organization for their corporate masters.

So just cause he died - pace - I don't forgive him either.

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You didn't hand journalists anything, certainly not the "freest fucking press" on the planet. They work for it every single day, with every story and with every phone call. For the most part it's a low paid, high effort job performed by people who operate under an idea of objectivity.
You don't get that, because you don't operate under objectivity. You operate under the assumption that your opinion is fact and your opinion -- or those opinions that vary slightly from yours -- are fact. Journalists don't have that luxury. They have to ask both sides of an issue questions, and report both answers.
Russert did that. You may not have liked the questions he asked of your candidates, and wished he asked other ones of other candidates, but he questioned authority to an extent we've not seen in some time. He did it by understanding someone's position and then taking the other side -- you never saw him fawing over anyone. He may have been worked by interviewees, but it wasn't because he didn't ask them questions. It's because they lied.
When a source lies, it is not the reporter's fault. You say they should be able to ferret out the truth, but there's a lot more to that than you think. It's not enough to think a source is lying -- you have to be able to prove it. And that's harder than you seem to think.

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Aren't you in fucking Taos yet, sugar? You sound a little tense. Maybe you should read your Mexican housekeeper the riot act or give a waiter a hard time about binging you a margarita you know for a fact has NOT been made with Patron...or just go buy yourself something pretty.

And maybe you should go Cheney yourself.

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Nice shot, MsJoanne. For the record I have no problem with your opinions or moderately voiced considerations.

I had intended my quip as a response to the frequently f-bombing, Neiman-Marcus radical, TenaX.

You know, I don't drink and I don't have a housekeeper...

and you can fuck yourself - sideways, with a rusty chainsaw, sugar.

Trademark Tena! :)

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Did I say "sugar?" I meant "sweetie." And I think you're absolutely precious. I have a 15-year-old nephew who talks just like you.

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Russert was a young man, a very good family man and good guy. He had a very successful career. His accomplishments, personal and professional are meritorious and it is natural that his friends and collegues would drop everything to pay tribute. His critics, appropriately, were not aired at the moment of his passing. It would be far more constructive, at this point, to take on the journalists and TV personalities that are still alive and call them to account. Speaking ill of the dead only diminishes the speaker.

The theme of the current coverage of his death is that he was the best journalist of our time, that he defined journalism, that no one covered politics like he did and on and on and on.

If this inaccurate labeling of his work as superlative - a model of journalism - is unchallenged now, while the myth is being written, it will be very hard to challenge later. To allow sentimental custom to cement his reputation as the best political reporter, the best interviewer, etc. will only encourage more of the same inadequate and unchallenging journalism in the future.

Never speak ill of the dead is an old saying, true, but to me, it seems a custom designed to serve the status quo.

O please.


That's for his friends, his family, his funeral.

This is a comments board. Criticizing the man's body of work is not speaking ill of the dead.
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And I have news for you anyway: The dead don't care.

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Wait wait wait--you KNEW Tim Russert???? If not, how the heck do you know what kind of a person he was? Seeing someone on TV all of the time does not mean that we really know anything about them personally. And not everyone even watched Tim on TV. I stopped watching him years ago when I realized that it was all just corporate propaganda.

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I don't know if I liked Tim Russert or disliked Tim Russert and I certainly agree that the MSM has become marginalized. However, I do know that this is not a good time to tear down Russert's legacy before he is even buried.

Today, I think the appropriate and respectful thing to do is to offer condolences to his wife, son and father (on this Father's Day) whom he obviously loved and respected a great deal.

I like a fair fight and with no malice towards anyone who couldn't wait to throw a few stones, this is not a fair fight.

When criticism is made as events unfold, we are told that we are rushing to judgement.

When criticism is made at a later date, we are told that we are living in the past.

When criticism is made following an individual's death, we are told that we are disrespectful.

And when we ask when would it be an appropriate time to offer criticism, we are told that history will be the judge.

In other words, it's inappropriate to hold select individuals accountable in our lifetime.

Damn! Very well-said, KB. I'm archiving this, I am.

I dropped in on my (fairly conservative) Dad for Father's Day. He complained about all the eulogizing of Russert - since he was such a *liberal*, having worked for Moynihan and Cuomo.

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When Joe McCarthy died Dean Acheson's response to inquiries from the press was the Latin : Nil Nisi Bonum etc. "one should only speak well of the dead".

That infuriated some of the conservative commentators who considered it condescending but
personally that's the approach with which I feel most comfortable .

At this time.

After some passage of time it would be be appropriate to assess objectively Russert's career. Not right now.

From a couple of friends who met him socially I gather he was pleasant company. If that were not the case perhaps I'd feel differently. But probably not. Except for clearly evil people I think the Nil Nisi Bonum rule is a good one.


AOBTW there are plenty of live commentators whom we can and should criticize.

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I agree. I could not take Russert too seriously for the reasons you mention.

I'm sorry, but no. Oe must earn that cannonization. And there must be ramicications for being in a critically important part of government (the original meaning of freedom of speech) and fails.

No. Now IS the time to speak out so others wil consider their own legacies and perhaps do the right thing.

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Certainly there should be consequences for a journalist who fails to properly exercise his obligation to do his job right.

But not for his relatives and friends when they are mourning his death.

The world wasn't created yesterday. There are certain standards of decency which seem to have bave been observed in many different societies at many different times. Thus Nil Nisi Bonum in 2000 year old Latin. And the funerals which, e.g. the Israelis permit after they have killed a political enemy (or substitute Hamas and Fatah if you prefer- the point is not to take sides in that particular struggle but to illustrate the near universality of the instinct not to interfere with the honoring someone who has recently died)

Surely these standards should be challanged as you are doing to see whether they still apply.
But the burden of proof is on the challenger.

Finally ,in pure pragmatism , what makes political sense ? Will Obama benefit from this exchange ? Or will the Right seize
on some of the comments here as an example of why the electorate should distrust the Left ?

I think what set Russert apart was that he got ripped to shreds by the left and the right. That tells me that he was doing SOMETHING right.

Again, critiquing his work is fine. But this board has gone way too far, IMO.

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DW,

I agree with your sentiment. The man has passed away and at the very least, we should all let sleeping dogs lie on this one. Since Russert was in the business for so long he is bound to anger everyone at some point. With that said, I find hijacking a posting to write personal negative comments about Russert as a person and not about his work is wrong.

All,

Realize that Russert's family and friends may come across these comments at some point. If you would not say these comments at his funeral directly to his family members, you should not post them here.

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