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Reap what you sow.
Think Republicans have cornered the market on God? The GOP's
"Southern strategy" has only managed to alienate the most consistently
religious demographic in this nation: African-Americans.
Blacks are often lampooned as the Democrats' lapdogs, voters that the party
simply takes for granted every election season and ignored thereafter. There
may be some truth in that. But that hardly means that in choosing to vote for
Democrats, we aren't also repudiating those who have ignored us the most.
Witness today's criticism of Barack Obama by James
Dobson.
Dr. Dobson (not a doctor of theology, mind you - his degree's in child development) is
mistaking his influence within the American church for a license to be an
attack dog for the Right. Worst of all - he's not
being very Christian when he does this:
What angers me most about Dobson is the same thing that angers me about every self-righteously pious jerk whose real agenda is supporting the Republican Party: He claims to know God's will better than the rest of us. And that, of course, means the rest of us should shut up, sit down and let him run our world.
Dobson's misunderstanding of the Bible strikes at the very core of Christianity and identifies him as distinctly un-Christian. His reckoning of the faith bears little resemblance to the one founded by the humble Nazarean who washed the feet of the tax collector, found worth in the wayward woman about to be stoned and breathed forgiveness at His last to a thief. The Gospel According to Dobson is a testament to a vindictive, swaggering Christianity that constructs a cross of lies upon which to crucify its enemies.
Perhaps Dr. Dobson should be reminded of Matthew 7, verses 21-23 before he proceeds
deeper into the hole he's digging for himself:
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Opposition has risen up via a new site with whose name echoes my sentiments, and Obama has said that Dobson's "making stuff up". I'd urge him to be much stronger in his response. I think that people need to be woken up here, and this is a prime opportunity to help America understand his very intelligent point in a straightforward manner (honestly, I'd forgotten that Obama even said it):
What he’s trying to say is that it’d be unfair and unconstitutional to make policy based on the ipse dixits of some religion’s God. You’re fully entitled to fight for what you believe, but if you’re going to turn it into law, you need a better justification as a legal matter than “Because God says so.” Otherwise, the only people who will understand it — not agree with it, necessarily, but understand it (i.e. who’ll find it “accessible”) — are people of your own faith.
Sullivan linked this same excerpt, and proclaimed the attack a veritable, ahem, godsend for the Senator from Illinois:
What Obama is doing is to ratchet back the bad use of faith in the public square, while insisting on the validity of people of faith in the public square. He's still too willing to invoke faith himself - his own version - to justify public policy. But this pushback against the extreme of the right is an enormously important project - central to Obama's promise to get us past the hideous cultural deadlock of the past two decades. Obama is as productive to this debate as Bush was toxic. And what Obama is doing - whether he intends to or not - is to open space within conservatism for the kind of reasoned, limited government, pragmatic conservatism that we badly need to revive.
Now Obama has to take this head-on. He can't simply say that Dobson's "making stuff up" in a dismissive manner. He has to show these fake Christians how things are done where he comes from, and now.
I say to Obama: don't dodge the abortion issue. With McCain threatening to
overturn Roe v. Wade if he's elected, it needs to be talked about more
than ever (and not simply for cynical reasons, like winning women's votes). And
while there may not have been a (direct) racial element to Dr. Dobson's smear today,
rest assured the Christians he's trying to turn against you aren't
African-American.
Shout it from the mountaintop, Senator. A nation has its attention turned to
you. Use your new pulpit wisely.
(Cross-posted here.)








Comments (50)
The mirror shows me what I am,
Or perhaps what I should be -
Looking in the micro-cam,
I'm ashamed by what I see.
June 25, 2008 1:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I look in the mirror
And who do I see
A friend or enemy?
June 25, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who knows the truth-
Who takes the dare?
Who shows the couth-
To lead us there?
June 25, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Scientific,
I am not an evangelical Christian. Though I am a lover and believer in Jesus Christ, I have some very unconventional views about theism and Christianity. But I've noticed, much to my joyful relief, a growing number of evangelicals are pushing back against the intolerant, judgmental, right-wing political characters like Dobson who show a frightening level of determination to influence our government policy and courts.
Increasing numbers of evangelicals are turning away from the narrow, misguided focus of right-wing Christians and returning to the humbler, compassionate goals of Christianity: providing comfort to the afflicted, advocating for social justice, good stewardship of the earth, etc.
Have you heard of Jim Wallis and Sojourners? I think you'll be interested in some the articles published in the Sojourners magazine.
Thanks for this post.
June 25, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Have you heard anything from Shane Claiborne? I heard him on NPR when he was speaking as part of some kind of Evangelical panel. Interesting stuff. This type of Evangelical seems closer to the heart of what Jesus was trying to do, IMO.
(This is not to distract from Scientific's post, because I think it's a great discusssion. I apologize for being a little bit off-topic. Always love your posts, Scientific.)
June 25, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
I appreciate that. Please keep reading!
June 25, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here we are in the 21st Century and people still believe in this nonsense. "My imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend." Why not drink the complete glass of kool aid and support Creationism too.
June 25, 2008 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
You really have no understanding about what I believe.
I don't try to shove my beliefs down your (or anyone else's) throat, so I appreciate not getting your unsolicited snide-ass remarks.
June 25, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
You post the stuff, you have to expect people to react. That is what happens here. That is the idea. Talk about Jesus and you'll hear from people who think it's silly. Don't bring it up if you are that sensitive. It's also a political reality in this context. These beliefs have political bearings and meanings.
June 25, 2008 11:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
You say this to argue the appropriateness of your comments
But your comment...
wasn't made as a form of political discussion and had nothing to do with the post attached to this thread. In fact, it was a disrespectful, snide comment made to someone you don't know, whose beliefs you know very little about.
It was just ugly snark that contributed nothing, except your arrogant assumption of your own superiority.
June 26, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I consider religion quite stupid and a bad influence on the human condition. Just as Tom Paine did. And Marx also. That's politics.
June 26, 2008 12:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your opinion of religion in general really has nothing to do with what's being discussed in this post or thread.
You're just being an arrogant smartass, belittling someone you don't even know.
It's not relevant to this thread, but I think you're an obnoxious, supercilious jackass spouting opinions nobody gives a shit about.
Stay away from me from now on.
June 26, 2008 12:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for sharing. Your views on religion had absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about. I appreciate you hijacking my thread with your piety and self-righteousness. That really helped.
June 26, 2008 3:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Got proof of your thesis? Many suburban black "success Gospel" preachers don't necessarily have a problem hanging with the GOP.
And, black Christians tend to be more "conservative" on issues like gay rights, too.
June 25, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I link to a survey that addresses many of your concerns.
They may be more conservative, but African-Americans - churchgoing or not - have been the Dems' most loyal demographic. And the "success gospel" preachers aren't as prevalent as you might think.
June 25, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
And I'll have to assume they've been the most loyal demographic because it fits their own interests.
June 25, 2008 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Few things are more entertaining than watching people battle it out over a mythological character.
Who is interpreting this myth's "words" properly, who is not. Who is the "real" believer, who is the "fake?"
Farcical.
June 25, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pompous much? Why'd you even comment?
June 25, 2008 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
You? Calling someone pompous? Really? Too, too funny.
June 25, 2008 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, when you mock my faith in a pompous way, I call it as I see it. If you think I'm pompous, by all means, you're entitled to your opinion. As I am to mine.
June 25, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Despite the fact that we often are opposing each other, I always thought you were a thinker. Damn, was I ever wrong.
June 25, 2008 10:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're being presumptuous. Lots of believers are thinkers.
You don't believe--fine. There's is no reason for anyone to believe. I accept this. I have no problem with non-believers--as long as they leave me alone.
I'm not chasing after you, trying to ram my beliefs down your throat. So there's no reason for you to be hostile toward me.
Knock it off.
June 25, 2008 10:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
A bunch of real believers put women to death for centuries in the name of Christ, they killed Jews, Indians, Muslims...been doing it for two thousand years. No worse than the other religions, but America has used Christianity as an excuse to kill and oppress people for its entire history. This is a political post. The "topic" is American politics. Religion is no small deal in that context.
June 26, 2008 12:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
But neither Scientific nor I support any oppressive political agenda in the name of Christianity. Nothing in this post or in any of our other posts on this subject warrant a hostile response from you or anyone else.
Non-believers can be just as guilty of intolerance as can believers.
June 26, 2008 12:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting to me- and instructive I might add-that you divide the world into believers and non-believers. Like racism, this kind of
presupposition about humanity distracts the intellect and allows for the machinations of oppressive power structures to flourish.
The more enlightened approach would not take religion as anything literal, but merely a form of reflection on the human condition. This is what made the Greeks so enlightened. They didn't think Zeus would kill them, merely that the stories about "him" served to enlighten. "Religion is the opiate of the masses." Such a true line in a political construct that just wouldn't work.
June 26, 2008 12:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please stop presuming you understand what I believe. You have inadequate basis to presume that I simply think of the world as divided between believers and non-believers. I understand that there are those who take no stand because they are unaware or don't care enough about the subject to give it consideration.
I have no problem with any of that. I have no problem with your attitude about religion. I understand that religion has been a tool used by humans to exert oppression and wreak destruction and death.
My spirituality is non-intrusive and I have no interest in imposing my beliefs on anyone or otherwise judging others in any spiritual context.
Your hostility is toward the kind of religion that causes harm. Fine. Take it up with people who are guilty of trying to exert power and control over others through their religion.
But that doesn't apply to me, so I haven't earned your hostility and contemptuous comments.
June 26, 2008 1:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's not really about you. It's about an idea that showed up on this thread. I would argue the same point with anyone. Seems like I wasn't the only one with the same position. I don't see it as a battle between two personalities. I trust that others who read the interchange will be persuaded by my position. I think most readers won't take it as a personal argument, but rather a contrast of two positions. My purpose is political, to get others to think, just as I expect them to get me thinking. That is the purpose of a political blog.
June 26, 2008 1:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, your initial intent was simply to be insulting. Go back and read it.
As for others who read the thread, they'll see that you never attempted to engage in a discussion of the substance of the post; you merely stopped in to preen and flaunt your contempt for religion in general by trying to demean individuals who did nothing to deserve it.
June 26, 2008 2:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think it would have been better to put my comment on the main thread. Would you have minded that less? It would have had the same material. If you checked my posts yesterday, you would have found a consistent stand criticizing religion in politics and human affairs at various blogs. I'm not sure there is a way to attack religion as superstition without offending people. But it's done often, especially at universities where the idea is to think critically.
Perhaps I'll post on this issue and use this discussion as a starting point, letting the readers come to their own conclusions. I'm sure each of us would learn something there, yes? You might post also on the topic. It seems important to you.
It is a calculated tactic when discussing religion to be a bit dismissive. My purpose would be to break through the encrusted
belief system that so many people have grown up with, to find an opening for a discussion. Today's religious institutions are quick to use the model of genteel interactions to avoid the real issues. That has been Bill Moyer's tactic to get that ever-smart Joseph Campbell to somehow bless Christianity.
June 26, 2008 8:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I was dead on about you being a dick. Point for me.
June 25, 2008 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
We're assigning points for calling people a dick? Excellent.
You're a dick, you're a dick, you're a dick!
Game-set-match!
Almost forgot...the incredible irony of your moniker. Too, too much.
Cheers.
June 26, 2008 8:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are a real deity, yes? Teach me ! Lead me! Make me kill for you. I will build great chaperls for you, and write ONE BOOK that you have told me to write, and defend that ONE BOOK till you take me home. Now I'm happy. Thank you.
June 26, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. Quite funny.
June 26, 2008 12:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
...voters that the party simply takes for granted every election season and ignored thereafter. There may be some truth in that.
That simply isn't true. And I usually hear that statement from republicans when they're trying to woo more black people to vote for them and their "opportunity society" or some such. Why throw it into this piece about Dobson?
June 25, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Scientific - "One That Got Away" on the main Cafe page.
Congrats! Love the attention or hate it? Don't know, but good job all the same.
June 25, 2008 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't really care about the attention. However, if it helps people find it, read it and continues the discussion, I'm all for it. Thanks for the heads-up.
June 25, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's nothing stupider and more annoying than a cynical political argument that's also WRONG. Bill Foster spoke out strongly against telecom immunity. It didn't stop him from winning in Hastert's old district, not exactly a progressive stronghold. This capitulation is NOT politically necessary or even popular.
Obama has a long history of being a triangulating centrist who ducks tough issues. Vote for him- I will, I can't possibly risk seeing McCain elected- but don't pretend he's got some secret plan to govern as a progressive after just making a few "necessary" "compromises" to win. Taint so.
June 25, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
What does this have to do with Scientific's post?
June 25, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, he mentions Obama's name once. Does that count?
June 25, 2008 10:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's no such word as "stupider".
"More stupid" is correct.
June 25, 2008 11:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
but not as flowing
June 26, 2008 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
And by the way, just in case anybody is wondering, no I don't regret supporting him over Hillary- I'd do it again even knowing what I know now. She's no better, and would have been a weaker candidate into the bargain.
June 25, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Glad we all agree, but I'm not sure who was wondering. (Where did this come from?)
June 25, 2008 10:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apologies- I accidentally put these comments on the wrong thread.
June 25, 2008 10:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
No worries, Steve.
June 25, 2008 11:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Child developer, develop thyself!
June 25, 2008 11:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm converted. I'm a soldier for Christ.
June 26, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's all about you, isn't it?
Don't mock my faith. What you're doing here is extraordinarily callow and cowardly.
June 26, 2008 3:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not mocking your faith, I'm challenging all true believers about religion. When you post on something that has a religious component, and you get professions of belief in what many consider superstition, you have to expect commentary. I'm mocking religion itself, as many critical people have done. And without such mocking, the world would still be flat and we'd still have slaves, for openers. Again, I think I'll post on this issue and have a link to this discussion. It seems a reasonable way to move the discussion ahead, yes?
June 26, 2008 8:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
In the process, you made presumptions about the individuals on this thread, and mocked them personally.
That tactic is disrespectful and does not invite an actual conversation.
It does seem to reinforce your belief in your intellectual superiority.
Your communication style is manipulative. Why don't you try being more respectful and less exploitative in your relations with others here? You sound like Billy Glad. Are you one of his stupid fucking "alter egos"?
June 26, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
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