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Question about flooding...

Hi all -

With the middle part of the country completely under water, I have question for folks who know things about things (and unfortunately I realize I won't get much in the way of answers during the day, but I'll give'er a try anyway).

I was watching some video clips from the past few weeks, and one interview stood out - it was a woman in Indianapolis whose home took on 4 feet of water.  She said her family pretty much lost everything, and the interviewer asked her if her insurance company or FEMA had been out to see her yet.  She said the insurance company refused to come because she didn't have a flood policy - and she was angry because, she said, the bank and the insurance company discouraged her from obtaining flood insurance when she purchased the home.  Apparently she was told that area had never flooded in recorded history and therefore she'd be throwing money away to buy flood insurance.

Okay, so here are my questions (for those who know anything about insurance or flood insurance or FEMA):  1) If experts actively discouraged homeowners from purchasing flood insurance because an area "doesn't flood" - and then it does - isn't that enough to invoke the "acts of God" clause in a homeowner's policy?  It seems to me the floods in some of these areas are as random and unusual as tornadoes (I'm not including the river areas in this - I actually mean the dry areas in Indy).  2) What is FEMA's obligation to folks who didn't purchase flood insurance - are they limited in what they can do to help people?

Last:  Where are Bush and McCain while the Midwest is drowning?


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Also - I went back and read the comments from my post on the call to help sandbag.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/06/this-is-it-this-is-why-im-prou.php

Thanks so much for the recommends and to those who made donations to help. I'm very appreciative, but probably not as appreciative as the folks who will benefit from your kindness. THANK YOU.

Thanks for keeping this in "the scopes." I hope you get more recommendations today. You are reminding me to get out my credit card.

Sorry that I don't have an answer for you!

Thanks for the comment (and the donation!). I appreciate it.


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No, if you don't purchase the insurance you are sol.

The reason flood damage isn't covered in standard homeowner insurance policies is because there's a specific exclusion of flooding from the definition of of covered events in the "definitions" section. The specific exclusion makes it impossible to read the policy such that it gets read back into the defintion of covered events, whether as an "act of God" or otherwise.

It's a simple matter of contract interpretation and what people told you before or affect the interpretation. That's because of that clause toward the end of the document, the "integration clause," in legal parlance, that says the written document emobdies the complete agreement of the parties and all prior discussions, writings and oral representations are merged into, made part of and superceded by the written terms of the insurance contract.

FEMA is not an insurance agency. Most of what it does is in the form of disaster relief and low interest loans. There is a federal flood insurance program for people in high hazard areas--but its still insurance. You have to pay for it. In any case, I don't think this lady would have qualified for if she was really in a low hazard area.

The sad part is that if the flood maps really did show she was in a low hazard area, flood coverage should have been dirt cheap.

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The sad part is that if the flood maps really did show she was in a low hazard area, flood coverage should have been dirt cheap.

It's also important to keep in mind that a 500-year floodplain is NOT one that floods every 500 years - the same is true for 10-, 20-, 50-, 100-year floodplains. It's that the chances are commensurate with those rates. And they "reset" every year, so you could get 3 100-year floods in a row. Mind you, if you do, the hydrologists and actuaries might see a need to put their heads together to adjust the rating for that particular piece of earth.

I can't help but wonder if she might have recourse in that the bank and insurers advised her against it - it sounds like she performed due diligence and was poorly advised.

If she has something in writing saying not to get flood insurance, she might have a tort.

That doesn't make sense. If there was zero chance of flooding, why would the insurance company not take the money for flood insurance?

This I know from personal experience: the flood damage itself is, incredibly, only the beginning of the homeowners' nightmare. And it is a third circle of hell nightmare that -- unless there is an enormous hue and cry from the public -- will devastate, and sometimes bankrupt the homeowner, in phases over a period of time that can last for up to three years.
Why? Because far worse than the natural disaster itself, which "merely" trashes a house, is the coldly-calculated, carefully-controlled practice of both wind and flood insurers to delay and, if possible, to deny coverage -- even on policies that were paid-in-full....which trashes innumerable lives, sometimes irreparably. What about FEMA? Forget help from the government -- FEMA will be AWOL for a long time and, when the representatives show up, they will be volunteers, not paid staffers and, in consequence, despite their good hearts they will be disorganized and therefore unhelpful in meaningful terms.
Here is the bottom line, and it is sobering: flood victims who want to deal in reality would be wise to assume that they will not get one penny from their insurers for at least a year. And they will get it then, only if they agree to a payoff that is a fraction of the value of their policy. (They don't tell you to 'save your receipts' for nothing.)
Therefore, flood victims whose houses are lost or uninhabitable should be prepared to pay -- out of pocket, or from savings, or from a high interest loan -- for the following expenses: 1) regular mortgage payments and property taxes (just because the house is gone or you can't live there doesn't mean those costs are not owed); 2) the inflated rent on an alternative house or apartment plus their utilities while you are in transition; 3) cutthroat fees from clean-up crews, engineering firms, surveyors and independent adjusters; 4) replacement costs for necessities from cars to clothing.
And remember this: all these costs are undertaken at your own risk. There is no guarantee that your insurer will pay, ever. Some insurers declare "insolvency" so that their claims may be transferred to a state agency pool that will eventually pay, if you are lucky, twenty cents on the dollar, excluding household possessions, for which they will pay nothing, no matter what the original policy said.)
So, if flood victims do not have an offer of settlement after a year, they must decide whether or not to hire a lawyer or join a class action suit. Individual lawyers must be paid upfront; they will not do contingency fees on flood cases. Class action lawyers will accept contingency fees, but these payouts can take years and the lawyers get up to 33%.
Hyberbolic version? Not at all. It is what is. Really.

You sound like you know from experience - if you had to deal with this, I'm very sorry.

In response to some of the earlier replies, I don't know her specific story - that's just what she was saying to CNN. So as to whether it was a low area, I have no idea. BUT, I do know that there are parts of Indiana and Iowa that have NEVER seen water - not even a few inches - that are under 4 feet of it. So, this is reaping havoc all over the place.

Insult to injury, there are parts of Iowa and Minnesota where homeowners evacuated for flooding and came back to tornado damage. My guess is it will only make the claim process worse (was it wind or water damage?).

What a nightmare.

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