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Obamaniac Overconfidence
We are overconfident. We are arrogant. If we do not reign it in we are going to lose. All of our individual concerns are valid but that does not make bringing them up productive.
At a meeting with the Congressional Black Caucus Sen Obama said "If women take a moment to realize that on every issue important to women, John McCain is not in their corner, that would help them get over it." He is making the argument that Sen McCain is against the positions of a majority of women but what was the takeaway message for Rep. Diane Watson? For her it was a chance to get offended because he used the three words she did not want to hear, "get over it". Because that is a trigger phrase for her she did not hear the argument which is so obviously true he should not have even had to be making it to a member of the House.
At a Detroit rally an Obama volunteer asked two women wearing head scarves to to not sit behind the Sen Obama. They decided to take public umbrage to this slight and force the Senator's campaign to deal with this matter of trivia for a week instead of concentrating one defining his race with Sen McCain. Do they think that their interests are better served by a president who wants to Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Iran?
Last week Sen Obama made a statement saying he would fight to get the telecom immunity removed from the FISA bill but that if he failed in that that failure would not make him vote against the final bill. If you listened to the hue and cry from his supposed political alis you would have thought he was the author of every deminishment of our civil rights for the past eight years instead of the candidate who is trying to defeat them.
Do you think McCain will be a better representative of where you want the nation to go? Even if you are just choosing the lesser of two evils and you believe in governmental checks and balances, peace, women's rights and the environment; Obama is your man. Quit acting like he cannot lose. He surely can. If we keep taking him to task for every slight to our pet issues then he surely will. Until the Wednesday after the Tuesday after the first Monday in November just Get Over It! Unless you think we need four more years of the policies of Bush.
The Working Class Heretic







Comments (76)
Barack Obama will not, and cannot, be everything for everyone. He is going to disappoint. I can accept that. What I cannot accept is another 8 years of the kind of government that we've received from the Bush administration. And that is exactly what we will get from McCain.
We have our candidate. Let's get our shit together and get him into the White House.
June 24, 2008 8:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. You know what the liberal blogosphere has in common with the right-wing blogosphere this week? We are both calling Obama a fascist. And who wins because of it? Republicans. I am all for calling out the bill, and contacting our Senators, but can we be rational?
BTW, I hope you all are lucky enough to have senators who haven't put their phones straight to voice mail, like mine. Wait, let me correct that: Cantwell has her phone on voicemail. Murray is leaving her mailbox full so she won't have to hear it, and the recording unceremoniously hangs up on you.
June 24, 2008 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. You know what the liberal blogosphere has in common with the right-wing blogosphere this week? We are both calling Obama a fascist. And who wins because of it? Republicans.
Heh. Precisely. Something that people don't seem to realize is that extremist liberalism is really, in essence, no different than extremist conservatism. Both are irrational and refuse to see anything outside of their little bubble.
June 24, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
extremist liberalism is really, in essence, no different than extremist conservatism.
Ah! But "extremist" liberals such as I don't see ourselves as extremists any more than extemist conservatives such as you do.
June 25, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
But, Tankard, what matters here is not your perception of yourself. What matters is how you can impact the political system. How do you want to do that? You have to try to get the people into positions that will make decisions that are most likely to advance an agenda that promote the issues that you care most about. That requires a balancing act. You can't play a zero-sum game or everyone loses.
June 25, 2008 9:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has my vote. For the first time in my life (careful now) my vote for the Democratic candidate is not simply a default position. Like many of Barack's supporters I truly, madly, deeply yearn for real change in the country and in our electoral system toward a democracy that serves the many rather than the few. I have believed, still believe, that Obama is our best hope.
I also believe that he will win the election and have a presidency that is supported by a Democratic Congress. I forsee vital progress toward the more perfect Union Barack has inspired us to hope for.
I assume that the majority of Americans oppose the notion that that the government has the right to spy on its citizens and that telecommunication providers have a right to facilitate that spying. Such spying is in fact against the law in the absence of a warrent.
Since I believe that Obama is an agent for justice I am baffled by his willingness to compromise on an unconstitutional invasion of privacy. I cannot help but see Barack's gesture of brushing dust from the shoulder of his famously well-fitted suit.
It is my HOPE that Obmam will serve as a defender of freedom and the spying issue is very clear. If he will not draw the line here, then where?
June 24, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Do not confuse my saying that we should refrain from hyperbolic attacks on Sen Obama with an indication that we should refrain from pressing our agenda. We should contine to work for justice and call for action on the issues dear to us. At the same time I think it is dangerous to attack him personaly durring the election on issues where Sen McCain has a position that is clearly further from the correct one that Sen Obama's position. Low information voters will over hear and get the impression that There is no substantive difference between these candidates.
June 24, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
should read "HOPE that Obama"
no hackneyed joke about Barack's name intended
June 24, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Pretty typical Democratic behavior, actually. Which is, of course an important part of why we were administered serial electoral ass-kickings throughout the 80s and 90s.
Frankly, I'm not crazy about the "save it for after we won," part. Not if they act the way Democrats in Congress did during the first year of the Jimmy Carter and Clinton Administrations. It was incredibly damaging, and fed into a public perception of weakness, corruption and ineffectualness that damn near destroyed the party.
June 24, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Attack away on the Democrats in congress for being weak. Just refrain from personal attacks on Sen Obama on your pet issue or victimology. I am really just trying to make the same point you did here but adding other issues to the mix of things we should behave in a more strategic manner about.
June 24, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well said. I just saw Matthews put up the results of a Gallup poll in which, in a breakdown of issues, Obama kicks ass almost across the board, but on terrorism: Behind by 19 effing points! 19! Doesn't that tell us what we need to know about how and why he will vote this week?
June 24, 2008 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pretty much case closed.
June 24, 2008 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps it does tell you something. Perhaps it tells me something completely different.
June 25, 2008 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with the point, but not the conclusion. This year is substantially different. Obama has built a broad base of support across numerous ideologies.
All these various camps will be pressing their representatives to back Obama's play come January 20, 2009, as long as Barack delivers on his campaign promises as his legislative and governing priorities.
It is different in the climate as well. During Carter's time (and Clinton's as well) there wasn't as much disgust with the republican brand as there is now. The neocon hadn't been so thoroughly discredited, even with moderate republicans.
So, yes, we must stay involved and diligent once the election is over, but there will be no better moment in the last 40 years to affect a real transition than on Inaugural Day 2009.
June 24, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
[Democrats] were administered serial electoral ass-kickings throughout the 80s and 90s.
Clarification: Democrats won both houses of Congress a number of times in the '80s and 90s and won the White House twice in the 90s.
Liberals, however, HAVE received "serial electoral ass-kickings" pretty much since FDR.
June 25, 2008 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
And now the pendulum has swung. I hope the conservatives enjoy their time in the wilderness as much as we enjoyed ours.
June 25, 2008 9:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Woo! I am on a roll!!!! I did my links right in both the post and a comment!
June 24, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh oh..over confidence... :)
June 24, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh for heaven's sake, Larry, calm down. Not every little twitch or PR difficulty is going to "make us lose" and not every embarrassing moment is going to doom his candidacy. Look at his opponent, who has so many radical pastors the public can't keep track of all the wingnuts... he can't tell the difference between Shias and Sunnis, offering to drill the Gulf of Mexico into ruined beaches for absolutely no improvement in our oil crisis, and is offering to keep America in Iraq for 100 years and you think this minutiae is going to cause Obama to LOSE?
June 24, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Enough of it certainly will. There are disperate interests in the big tent of the Democratic party. If enough of them start pullin in different direction they could lose even in this climate. I fully expect Obama to win in a landslide but know that we could thhrow it away if try. Never underestimate the power of human cussedness.
June 24, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's white and he was in the service. I'd love to see an Obama blowout, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed all the same.
June 24, 2008 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, Larry, for pointing me on the way.
See, a little dark secret - for the last 30 years I haven't done too badly. While others suffered, time and time again, I did well. But you taught me how to respond - "Get over it". Feel like you're falling behind and others are getting ahead? "Get over it". Don't like people laughing in your face? "Get over it".
No need to worry about anything but identity politics. I got mine, you get yours. "Get over it". Hey, I could vote for McCain and it probably won't make much of a difference. To me. "Get over it". I remember Al Franken declaring the end of the "me decade" and the beginning of the "Al Franken decade". I suppose he had a point - enough of self-retribution - "Get over it". Thus begins the Decade of Des.
It's funny, people used to kick Hillary for not having a strategy on Feb 5. And then I thought Obama didn't seem to have one on June 4. But now I see. I'm over it. Fare thee well, Titanic, fare thee well.
June 24, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's nice, how you prove his point about people desperate to be offended, to feed their sense of victimhood. A useful reminder to all of us that there is a limit to Obama's habit of speaking to Americans as if they were thoughtful adults.
On LG's broader point, I agree. I am hearing way too much overconfidence, expressed in all kinds of ways. The circular firing squad is, as NCSteve pointed out, pretty typical for Dems. I worry less about that than I do about things like Obama's "presidential" seal; the slowdown in fundraising; media management (we ignore the Gasbags at our peril). It is dangerous for either the campaign or the party or progressives to get complacent.
On a side note: I am pissed about Obama's cave-in on FISA. There are a lot of reasons he was my second-to-last choice in the Dem primary. But since I don't expect politicians, or anyone else, to be perfect, I don't see this election as voting for the "lesser of two evils" (I hate that phrase and the political thinking it represents). President Obama will do things I don't like, as did Bill Clinton, as would have Presidents Gore and Kerry and Dean. There's a reason we have different branches of government and limited mandates.
June 24, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent perspective, BC. Well-said.
June 24, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe the point is seeing the forest for the trees.
June 24, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess I don't even understand what you're objecting to. Larry's post, or Obama's language?
And if it's the choice of words, and the situation in which Obama chose to use them, how about writing a blog on this?
Because right now, this comment seems like it was in response to another blog.
June 24, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could you include any facts or points of your own with your hyperbolic prose?
June 25, 2008 8:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm going to vote for him, and I'm still enthusiastic about him, because the alternative is just dreadful.
I wouldn't call FISA a "pet issue", though. In one sense, it could be considered a "pet issue", simply because so few people probably understand it.
On the other hand, Obama did have an opportunity to take a bold step in leadership, and he declined to do so, for political reasons. I understand that, and I tend to agree with it. But I don't think it does the discussion any good to lump this decision under the "pet issue" label.
I think the challenge facing Democrats is that it's not a unified party, because there are multiple constituencies with multiple "pet issues". Do we, as a party, rank order these issues?
For some, FISA appears to be the deal breaker.
For others, Obama telling an audience to "get over it" appears to be a deal breaker.
For still others, Iraq will be a deal breaker. But how are we, as a party, to reconcile all these deal breakers?
Anyway, you're 100% correct about getting out there and working.
June 24, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
By 'pet issue' I simply mean the one you find most important and spend the most time on. It can be imporant and still be your pet. You are right on about the forest v trees thrust of my main point. I think FISA is important, less so than Torture, Habeas, and Just War Issues; but important. I just think that the courts are likely to have the final say on this if abuses ever come up if we can get some habeas re-enstated. I think it is going to take considerably less time to repair the errors of the last eight years than it has of some of our previous injustices. But then again I might be being overly optimistic.
June 24, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, lump im in the "overly optimistic" camp as well, which is partly the reason I wasn't as horrified by the FISA situation as some other commenters.
For me, forest vs. trees is a continuing challenge. Where's the tipping point from acceptable candidate to patently unacceptable?
I think it's the Supreme Court, but even that's a gnarly issue, because you can't ever be certain, before appointment, how an individual is going to rule on issues.
It's also the "electability" issue. I understand that many activists feel that it's inappropriate to consider "electability", but I don't, because what's the point of adhering to acceptable positions if you never get in the White House in the first place?
Anyway, thanks for the post.
June 24, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Being constantly offended is what today's America is about. Robert Hughes wrote a book about it a few years back called "The Culture of Complaint".
The Democrats, instead of defending the interests of working people, have gotten lost in this maze, with the results we have all around us.
June 24, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
While I think that Obama will win by larger margins than currently anticipated, I agree that we cannot be over-confident. This is going to be a very difficult campaign even though it should be easy given the quality of the candidate and the terrible condition of the Country, because of the corporate press filter. As noted, every misstep or comment by Obama is magnified and repeated while McCain is largely given a free ride.
Barack necessarily has to move more to the middle to overcome fears that are fanned by this mis-reporting. While I am also disappointed by his FISA position and the compromises required to get elected, we have to remember the alternative and work to get the press to give McCain's faults equal coverage.
June 24, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
We can't worry about the feelings of Clinton's cult of personality. They will find new ways to get offended. That's what their chemically imbalanced brains thrive on. Without the OBAMA CONSPIRACY to thrive on,
With that said, there will be mistakes. There will be slip-ups. This is inevitable. Obama will do his best to improve as a candidate, but it's worthless to sit around wetting our underoos over every non-story that trickles onto a Politico blog. This notion that what people in the comments section of a blog think about Obama's chances are somehow relevant is utter nonsense.
I'm going to canvas, phonebank, donate money. That's all I can do. There's no point hand-wringing over whatever [fill in the blank]-gate that pundits are using to fill air time.
June 24, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me too. Don't forget to help with your local voter registration drives as well.
June 24, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
We can't worry about the feelings of Clinton's cult of personality. They will find new ways to get offended. That's what their chemically imbalanced brains thrive on. Without the OBAMA CONSPIRACY to thrive on, their life is without significance or meaning. That's why I just insult them. Anyone who tries to reason with these psychopaths is just feeding into their delusions of self-importance.
With that said, in terms of things that might actually matter, there will be mistakes. There will be slip-ups. This is inevitable. Obama will do his best to improve as a candidate, but it's worthless to sit around wetting our underoos over every non-story that trickles onto Politico. This notion that what people in the comments section of a blog think about Obama's chances are somehow relevant is utter nonsense. I'm pretty sure Obama isn't reading through Aimee May and gotalife posts to get strategy tips from the rest of us. Obama and his people may not be perfect, but they know what they have to do.
As for me, I'm going to canvas, phonebank, donate money. That's all I can do. There's no point hand-wringing over whatever [fill in the blank]-gate that pundits are using to fill air time.
June 24, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
We can't worry about the feelings of Clinton's cult of personality. They will find new ways to get offended. That's what their chemically imbalanced brains thrive on. Without the OBAMA CONSPIRACY to thrive on, their life is without significance or meaning. That's why I just insult them. Anyone who tries to reason with these psychopaths is just feeding into their delusions of self-importance.
With that said, in terms of things that might actually matter, there will be mistakes. There will be slip-ups. This is inevitable. Obama will do his best to improve as a candidate, but it's worthless to sit around wetting our underoos over every non-story that trickles onto Politico. This notion that what people in the comments section of a blog think about Obama's chances are somehow relevant is utter nonsense. I'm pretty sure Obama isn't reading through Aimee May and gotalife posts to get strategy tips from the rest of us. Obama and his people may not be perfect, but they know what they have to do.
As for me, I'm going to canvas, phonebank, donate money. That's all I can do. There's no point hand-wringing over whatever [fill in the blank]-gate that pundits are using to fill air time.
June 24, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
a house divided...
dont forget to donate that extra $25 to obama and then email your pet project gripes to him....they listen...obama camp has proven themselves once and they will again if we but give them a chance...
if u r angry, go directly to the source...don't kill morale or encourage more negativity where there is already plenty.....
i got your point Larry and i agree with you 100%....obama is not perfect, he is not a saint and the sooner we get that through our heads, the easier it will be going forward.....
we are so easy on everyone else--hrc, mccain, but so damn hard on obama...that is good b/c it holds him accountable, but it's not so good b/c the majority of us want him to fail b/c we dont really believe he can succeed anyway, especially those die hard hrc fans who are just making do....
June 24, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to agree thai I am tired of people finding fought with every single little thing that Obama and McMunster have to say. Especially this early in the game. None of this will matter come November
June 24, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I gotta say that "get over it," if he actually used it, was a really bad choice of words. It would be a "trigger phrase" for virtually anyone, it's meant to be dismissive. A politician running for office saying that implies you don't care about that vote. If you're running for office, you're supposed to be continually asking people to vote for you, not basically telling those with special interests to "take it or leave it." If you don't agree with that special interest, you bring up other selling points, but you don't diss the interest if you want the vote.
You say he said that to the Congressional Black Caucus. He seems to have a bad habit of dissing one interest group while talking to another in attempt to be candid.
June 24, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you tell some one to "get over it" that is offensive. But he was not using the words that way. He was saying that McCain would help them to get over it. There is a big difference. And even if he had said something offensive. He ws talking to a room full of suposedly grown partisans. They should cut him some slack if they care about winning elections. Instead they acted like precious school children who can snatch the most minor point out of context and use it as an excuse to shoot themselves in the foot.
June 24, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not sure why women should automatically get over it just because of McCain's positions on women. He does not have worse positions than Bush and Bush won a majority of white women votes. Nobama is an arrogant SOB who thinks too highly of himself. But for the stupid rule and process of picking nomination for Democratic Party, he would have been back to be a do-nothing junior senator from IL.
June 24, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was not talking about 'women'. I was talking about Democratic members of the US House of Representatives who hapen to have two X chromosomes. They should get with the damn program and quit acting like children.
June 24, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Read it for yourself:
Blah blah blah get over it
June 24, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, Larry. You're one of a growing number of us that see the bigger picture here.
June 24, 2008 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, Thank You. I try to resist the urge to overreact. I did so in some of my earlier posts. My Tattooed White Trash For Obama. post was a study in reacting emotionaly insted of thinking about it.
June 24, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I try to do the same. Unfortunately, you're spot on when you say that people just don't want to hear anything along the lines of "get over it." I know this well from my own thread.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/06/this-is-exactly-what-the-gop-w.php
You can't tell people to get over it, even in the nicest way, and expect the to follow suit. I think it has a little something to do with pride. Heh.
June 24, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Overconfidence? Nah... everybody should want a president who voted 'present' on legislation to protect children in schools from gunfire, voted 'present' on legislation to protect children in schools from exposure to sex businesses within 1000 feet of their schools, voted 'present' on legislation to allow victims of rape to petition court for files to be sealed. It's okay. All those bills passed with no opposition, and Obama was the only 'no vote'. Everyone should want a president who voted 'yea' on the Bush/Cheney energy bill that throws billions of taxpayer dollars at big oil and contributes to pollution and global warming. Everybody should want a president who supports FISA... who needs rights anyway? Everybody should want a president who claims to vote for legislation he didn't vote on. We've had an empty suit in power for the last 8 years... everybody should want more of the same. The majority here do anyway.
June 24, 2008 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Trolls. Everywhere, whining, dripping with confusion, smelly, and certain to give you warts or bite your knee.
June 24, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, that's what anonymous internet messaging brings out in a lot of people.
Just a great opportunity for them to be jerks.
June 24, 2008 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously.
June 25, 2008 5:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't try to think about it. Wouldn't want you to strain your little brain.
June 24, 2008 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Assuming this is true, it also sounds like he would have KNOWN the legislation would pass even without his vote, and perhaps was using his legislative time for something else equally important?
Now if he voted AGAINST legislation to protect children, like McCain has in the past, then I might have a problem.
June 24, 2008 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some of us actually look at his voting record and it isn't pretty. He does a piss poor job.
June 24, 2008 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
A troll asking for thought is like Bambi requesting a 30-30.
June 25, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Facts to back it up missy? And by the way, he was paid to show up and do his job. He showed up, but didn't have the balls to do his job.
June 24, 2008 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
"missy"?
June 25, 2008 12:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
A troll asking for facts generates the same kind of cognitive dissonance as hearing an Orthodox Jew order spare ribs.
June 25, 2008 9:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, guess what? If Obama took a moment to realize women have never had anyone in their corner, he would know what a fucking arrogant asshole he is. See, if you never get any help from anyone, then it makes no difference if the next asshole in charge is Obama or McCain. Get it?
I didn't think so.
June 24, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was raised by a single mom who was able to do just fine despite no one having her back. It taught me and my brothers to have every woman's back at all times. I have a sister who raised a son by herself in the 1990s and earned a bachelor's degree at the same time because the state had her back with programs to help her succeed.
This is exactly the type of shit I have been talking about and can no longer let go without at least some sort of comment.
Barack was saying about the disappointment over losing the primary is something that indeed must be gotten over to win the general. It is exactly what Hillary would ask of us with regards to her Iraq War vote and other corporate-friendly stances and compromises. Get over it. It's done with. Can't be changed. Let's look to the future.
You know what? I would have to get over it. Every single bit of it and hope against all odds that she actually governed as a progressive instead of the founding-member of the DLC that she is. I would have to hope that she compromised all those years in the hope of getting a chance to be the true progressive warrior she always was but never could be.
That is the nature of elections. Winners and losers. In the case of the democratic party this year, the primary was hard fought and mostly good for a 50 state strategy. I am not saying you don't have a right to be disappointed. You do. I am not saying you don't have a right to call Barack out for positions that he takes that are counter to your own. You most certainly do.
To continue attacking Obama and taking everything he says out of any reasonable context is damaging to our efforts this year. If enough single-issue dems take enough potshots at our nominee on-line and elsewhere, the narrative changes. It is inevitable.
June 25, 2008 8:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I know you'll deny this, but the irony of your own family story seems to escape you, Jason. The women in your family have to raise the kids, run the household, work, and educate themselves. That's exactly what I'm talking about. They have to work three times as hard for what? Most of the work they do is unpaid.
I'm sincerely glad you have your mother's and sister's back, but it doesn't solve the fundamental inequalities in our society. As you should know, you are powerless to make the lives of women less of a swim against the current.
As for Obama, I'm going to criticize him for whatever he deserves to be criticized for. It has nothing to do with Hillary. I never even mentioned her.
This is how the system is set up: I voice my concerns and Obama listens. It's not the other way around.
I'm doing my duty as a citizen, and I'm going to continue to do so. So get the fuck over it.
June 25, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
"and you think this minutiae is going to cause Obama to LOSE?"
Maybe you didn't hear Yglesias say that Obama's FISA response was so alienating that, sure people would still vote for him, but that it would stop them donating and working to get out the vote.
June 24, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
If people start to look at his voting record, they will see that the FISA thing is the norm. Gee, could it be that people aren't really looking at what he stands for?
June 24, 2008 11:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Meanwhile, the latest LA Times/Bloomberg Poll has
Obama (D) 49%, McCain (R) 37%
Stuff like this is just going to increase that darned overconfidence!
June 24, 2008 9:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
So will this.
June 25, 2008 7:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Larry,
You are preaching to the converted here.
But you should watch your language and style.
June 24, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I always try to. Have you got any specific suggestions?
June 24, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right on queue.
Like taking candy from a baby.
June 24, 2008 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is "right on queue" another one of those phonetic neologisms like "towing the line" or "reigning in"?
June 25, 2008 4:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Oh me, oh my! What will we do?" Hey, try this one on for size - YOURSELF - get over it!
June 24, 2008 11:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
At some point the Obama fans will realize why some of the Clinton fans will not get over it. Obama playing the race card by claiming Hillary supporters were racist - as with his playing the race card with McCain by telling the crowd that the GOP will tell them not to vote for him because he is black - plus the lies/smears that Obama's David put into the press as reasons to distrust or hate the Clintons, continuing to this day with yesterday's David's not for attribution quote that Obama fans might not accept Bill Clinton working for Obama's election because they believe he was so nasty, all add up to a bad taste. The DNC allowing the extra delegates for black areas (some congressional districts in PA had 6 delegates, others only two), plus the party boss controlled caucuses that we thought we voted to get rid of in 72, plus the non-proportional allocations, a Mich/Fl decision made to kill NH win momentum - then reversed when it had done its job - but with unearned delegates given Obama taken from Hillary to put salt in the would -add to that bad taste,
But it is the "just campaign talk" mantra on Rev Wright, Canada NAFTA, out of Iraq in 16 months, and promised social programs have no cost as told to Kudlow at CNBC - because Obama does not intend to pass them - that make McCain as good a choice as Obama for the progressive. Indeed Obama is now confirming what before was just adviser comments, and McCain's experience is pointing out how lacking in real accomplishment or even bi-partisan relationships, Obama is. Without Hillary on the ticket to guarantee a progressive agenda, why should a progressive vote for "just campaign talk" Obama?
June 25, 2008 1:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am not arguing for people who support Sen Clinton to get over it. I am arguing for people who support Sen Obama to cut him some slack untill November 5. If you think that Sen McCain would make a better president then you should work for him.
June 25, 2008 7:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
This:
is just like the "No difference between Gore and Bush so vote Nader" philosophy that helped bring us the last 8 years of misery.
June 25, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
So what level of criticism would you approve of?
June 25, 2008 3:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you think Sen Obama should be president. If you think he is definitively better than McCain. Then you shlould hold you attacks on him till after the election. Continue to advocate on the issue but hold the personal attack. If you think McCain is better then this post does not apply to you.
June 25, 2008 7:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed.
The thing is, as much as people think that Obama's win is inevitable, it's not. Even 12 and 15-point leads don't give him that. There were many other times that candidates held huge leads in June and went on to squeak by 1 and 2 point wins, or even crushing defeats.
The RNC is attacking Obama from all sides. McCain is attacking Obama from all sides. McCain supporters are attacking Obama from all sides. The media is attacking Obama from all sides. ...And now, we have the liberal net roots attacking Obama.
It's amazing, considering such a freaking onslaught against him, that he's still able to keep afloat.
Obama is better than McCain.
Once Obama's in office, we can truly hold him accountable for not just FISA, but many of the promises he's given us.
If he has a Democratic majority in Congress, his promises can come to fruition that much more easily (I want affordable, good-quality health care, I don't know about all of you).
He won't get reelected if he fails us, no matter how much we love him now.
June 25, 2008 8:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, Getting things done is the difference between being the next FDR and being the next Jimmy Carter.
June 25, 2008 9:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
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