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Obama: Let the NYPD Handle the Terror Threat
I am reading some disturbing comments regarding Obama's view on the problem of terrorism.
Before I go on let me state categorically the following: The Iraq invasion by the United States has been the most counter-productive, ill conceived, inadequately planned, sophomoric military adventure in the history of the country. Moreover, such an egregious blunder could never have taken but but for the existence of the volunteer Armed Forces system currently in place. Had a draft been necessary, the invasion would most likely never have begun, and had it begun, it would have terminated shortly thereafter.
I am reading that Obama considers the terrorism problem solely a Law Enforcement (police, FBI) matter. If indeed this is his opinion, questions arise as to his comprehension of the problem.
Are we supposed to send a team of NYPD cops and detectives to the hills of Pakistan to arrest the slime dwelling therein? Read them their Miranda rights, cuff them and put them in the back of squad cars and transport them "downtown" to headquarters?
Is the American taxpayer--or, more likely, Saudi billionaires--going to hire "dream teams', a la OJ, to defend these people? Is the Manhattan DA expected to cull and present evidence against them, as he would a rapist or burglar?
Is there not a qualitative and quantitative difference between the acts of al Qaeda and the act of a mugger or a mafia loan shark?
The goal should be to reduce the threat of terrorism to the same level as the existing threat of violent domestic crime.
But the objective or terrorists and the objective of mundane criminals are not the same, nor are their number or tactics.
If a man running for the office of President of the United States thinks they are, it worries me.
The reduction of the terror threat to level of the crime threat will, like it or not, require employing the resources--in an intelligent efficacious manner--of the armed military, the intelligence community and the law enforcement community.
To think otherwise is at best naive, and at worst a threat to the security of the nation.
Am I misunderstanding Obama's position? Is it being misreported? I hope so.
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Comments (25)
Can you share with us what you are reading?
Thanks.
June 17, 2008 11:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL! I was just about to ask the same thing.
In the interim, I think that terrorism should basically involve coalition special forces, Delta, SAS, police such as special branch, and if that's what Obama's arguing, I don't have a problem with it.
June 17, 2008 11:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's reading Republican talking points. What Obama said and all he said was we can fight terror and still stay stay within the constitution, They are also reacting to his support of the recent SCOTUS decision o Habeas Corpus.
June 17, 2008 11:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
“We don’t have to treat them in the same way that we would treat a criminal suspect in the US,” Obama said.
That's fine with me, and allays most of my concerns.
FB
June 17, 2008 11:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's fine with me, and allays most of my concerns.
So glad to hear it. The important thing, of course, is that you are performing the service of seeking out these concerns, concerns, concerns, CONCERNS!, concerns, concerns, concerns, concerns, and reporting them to us so that people here can apply some elementary fact checking and basic common sense. You bravely venture into the slimepits of GOP talking point spewage, and, dripping with the putrid fecal matter you find there, you hurry back here to share with us the concerns, concerns, concerns, CONCERNS!, concerns, concerns, concerns, concerns you find. Keep up the good work.
June 18, 2008 12:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
lulz!
June 18, 2008 1:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
FUCK YOU!
June 18, 2008 1:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Blowing a gasket, are we?
June 18, 2008 7:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let's all thank FB for sharing his sincere CONCERNS!!
June 18, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
What sophisticated dialectic! Nuanced, even.
June 18, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Geez FB, for a gentleman who prides himself on his ability as a writer - choosing to resort to this tired ol' two word profane retort - well, it is very disappointing.
And just one more observation regarding, "Am I misunderstanding Obama's position? Is it being misreported? I hope so."
Remember that little chat we had about RESEARCH?
June 18, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
AS,
Yes, I remember.
But research isn't fun...writing is.
FB
June 19, 2008 12:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is that snark, or is that seriously how you read into domestic terrorism being a domestic law enforcement issue?
June 18, 2008 1:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
demosaur,
I ahve already replied above that Obama has made a statement that negates the premise of my article.
He does NOT see it as (solely) a domestic law enforcement problem either.
FB
June 18, 2008 1:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's accurate, yes. I'm just confused what prompted your original post because it doesn't seem like you did much digging prior to writing it, or did dig but weirdly interpret what you found. Just confused, that's all.
June 18, 2008 2:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
He doesn't see it as a domestic law enforcement problem at all. He sees it as a problem that, when laws are broken on American soil, can be handled within the scope of American laws.
Not that we give foreign terrorists equal rights to American citizens, but that we do stay within American law (habeas corpus, no torture, stuff like that).
June 18, 2008 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Great McCain who just HATES to pick apart other people's speeches trying to make them look bad would be ashamed of you. But then, that's a rule he honors more in the breach than in its observance.
As you seem to concede, the war against terror is both a legal AND a military problem. We must use all tools at our disposal -- the FBI, the CIA, the Fed, the SEC, Interpol, and, yes, the Pentagon. But if you bothered to do even a modest amount of original research, rather than jumping to the worst conclusions, you would know that Obama has clearly stated that one of the biggest problems with the Iraq war is it distracted from the fight against Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan, which he has pledged to pursue aggressively.
You may also have noticed that after the 1993 WTC bombing, there were no further terrorist attacks from Middle Eastern extremists in the continental US for the remainder of Clinton's term in office. Several attacks were thwarted, most notably the Millennium plot.
Obama could hardly do worse than the Bush administration on terror, which presided over two of the greatest intelligence failures in American history and allowed bin Laden to slip through our fingers in Afghanistan.
I think one of the main reasons there have been no attacks on American soil since 9/11 has nothing to do with the "success" of US efforts at interdiction, but with the simple fact that we have provided al Qaeda with so much low hanging American fruit in Iraq and Afghanistan. Why go to all the trouble of setting up attacks in the US when we have made it so easy for them to go after us right in their own backyards?
June 18, 2008 1:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dave in DC 2,
I have no disagreement with anything in your reply.
FB
June 18, 2008 1:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
So Dave, you are saying we are fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here?
That is a pretty screwed up game of Stratego with American soldiers don't you think?
June 18, 2008 9:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
The FY post was directed to
rabbitsmrogasboard
June 18, 2008 2:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is correct*, it is a law enforcement issue just as the regulation and enforcement of drug laws are a law enforcement issue. A declaration of war on stateless entities such as terrorist and drug gangs does nothing but dilute resources and encourage lawlessness by governments.
And I don't know if Obama actually said that or not. I hope he did.
June 18, 2008 9:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
After the first Trade Center Bombingin 1993, it was a law enforcement issue. It should have been as such for 9/11 as well. This neocon administration took advantage of our grief and started a pre-emptive war against a country who had nothing to do with those attacks.
A handful of nutjobs took down the trade centers. It should have been a law enforcement issue. Anything more saps our rights as a free society. Tell me Fred, how many freedoms are you willing to give up for the military and administration fighting the "war on terror"?
June 18, 2008 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, the NYPD's response center is a model of law enforcement doing the job it should -- and a better job in many ways than "Homeland Security."
You may recall that when Homeland Security was raising and lowering the "terror threat down" every other day and advising purchasing mass quantities of bottled water and duct tape, it was the NYPD which debunked one of the "threats" that terrorists were after "targets" in NY and NJ. They have a command center that rivals the Sit Room at the White House, and fielded their own staff of trained intelligence agents when it was clear that the intel coming out of Bush's admin was, well, useless.
But part one of any domestic anti-terror response has to include domestic law enforcement trained to pick up on small signals or actions that may not register on a national scale. Local Law enforcement involvement is critical.
So Fred's "I am reading that Obama considers the terrorism problem solely a Law Enforcement (police, FBI) matter. If indeed this is his opinion, questions arise as to his comprehension of the problem..." comment is akin to reading the "Recommended! blurbs on the back of book jacket and taking that as the sum total content of the book.
As the old adage says, you can't judge a book by its cover.
June 18, 2008 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jade7243, demosaur, et al,
I wrote my original post without doing adequate research. Guilty as charged.
Ironically, as Jade has pointed out, the NYPD might be the most effective anti-terror organization currently operating in the US.
I conceded and essentially withdrew my original post when I became aware of more information. My post appeared on my own blog and on the Obama campaign website.
I deleted the post from my own website and posted a withdrawal of it on the Obama site. On this thread I also clearly stated that I was WRONG and essentially withdrew the post.
The reply to the idiot rabbit-something was not one of my best moments. I do not intend to put it on my resume.
When I get paid to do this, I will spend more time on research.
I thank everyone who responded, except the moron rabbit-whatever.
And, please note, at least I have the courage (or stupidity) to use my full real name when I post.
FB
June 19, 2008 1:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
KACHING!
Someone just raked up some of those McCain go troll the blogs points.
June 18, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
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