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My Father is a Clinton Supporter...
Before any of us go any further, I want to lay down ground rules about this post. You are not allowed to say anything bad about my father. I am about to tell you his unauthorized biography, and if anybody says anything negative about him I will take your hide. That being said, I'm posting this in response to people who want to get inside the mind of a Clinton voter.
To me, my father has been an inspiration to me in so many aspects of my life with the sole exception for which I am about to write. As the product of a child of divorce, I grew up not getting to know my father the way I wanted to. It hasn't turned out bad, and I have gotten to know my father the way I wanted to many, many years ago. That's not to say that I didn't see what I'm about to write about coming, it was just...disappointing.
My father lives in the Northwest suburbs of Chicago. He's spent most of his life there, although that's not where he grew up. He grew up on the south side of Chicago. But, after so many years, he's now a Cubs fan. He is extremely liberal. He's always voted Democratic. I can remember phone conversations with him where both of us hoped that the latest piece of news would lead to a Bush impeachment. It never did, but we had fun fantasizing about it. I was convinced of my father's democratic ideas and wanting something new to develop in this country. This is where I was disappointed, but not surprised.
I called my father after the Illinois primary to see if he voted. He had, and he voted for Clinton. I was surprised because of this, as we shared so many principles that I thought that it would be a no-brainer for my father to vote for Obama. It turns out it wasn't. He told me he wasn't ready to vote for a black man. Yeah, I know...Ouch!
Let me give you my father's perspective.
His parents were German immigrants. They arrived in the late 30's-early 40's. They met here in America. My grandfather fought in WWI (on the German side). He was told by the German government in the lead-up to WWII: Either fight for us, or leave. He left and came to America, and I couldn't be happier. Nobody in my family knows much about how my grandmother ended up in America, but she found her way here.
My grandfather was a barber and ended up being able to support a family with three kids on that. Odd, I know, in this day and age.
My grandparents ended up getting married and moving to the Cottage Grove neighborhood on the South Side. For those of you interested, it's approximately 111th and Cottage Grove (a street). Unwittingly, I ended up taking a job only a few blocks away from where my father grew up.
My gradparents moved there at the begining of White Flight. After ten years it was an entirely black neighborhood. For whatever reason, my grandparents stayed in the neighborhood. This was in the 50's, the begining of the Civil Rights movement. Because they were White, they were treated poorly by the new population.
Here comes the sad part.
Because they were one of the few white people in the neighborhood, they were terorized by a few thugs in the community that decided any white person was open to attack.
My grandmother bore the brunt of the attacks. It started with her not being able to carry her groceries home because someone would knock them out of her hand. It escalated with her being spit on. It ended with her being beaten.
Who is to blame? Who knows. My grandmother was the perfect stereotypical German woman: Big boned and didn't take shit from nobody. Who knows what she might have said to provoke the attacks. But I can say this, anything she might have said was done out of fear and a complete misunderstanding of America at the time. She thought that America was the land of opportunity. I guess she learned the hard way.
The point to all of this is that my father, as a young child, saw all of this. He saw how black people beat his mother. A woman from another country, who had no stake in the political processes that were unfolding around her.
She had her groceries tossed accross the street, she was spit on, she was beat upon. All because she was in the wrong place in the wrong time.
My father saw all of this happen, as a young man, to his mother and father.
This is not to say that I validate any form of racism. This is not to say that I sympithize with the color of one's skin. This was my father's experience, and he has carried it with him his entire life. I can't say that I blame him. I can't say that I blame anyone, regardless of skin color, to carry this with them for the rest of their lives. This is America. Just as it was 60 years ago, it is today. I don't agree with it, but it is a reality regardless of your skin color.
I just want to say that I know, for a fact, that people of color in this country today...TODAY...go through this kind of shit every day of thier lives.
I had a fantasitc teacher in high-school that once said: "If you're white, male, over 21, you can do anything you want in this country". That statement alone, in 1990, made me realize how far we have to go.
I desperatly want to chage that oh, so accurate narritive from my high-school teacher. This is my hand extended, and if you take it, we can help each other.
By the way, I talked to my Dad yesterday and I asked him about the RBC meeting. He said: "What meeting, I was out in the garden all day?" I later asked him about Obama in Nov. and he said: "He's looking like a damn good candidate isn't he?"
Hope. That's all I'll ask of this country. Hope for America to be something truely better.








Comments (24)
Shorter version:
My grandparents grew up in a black neighborhood and were harassed by the other people in the neighborhood. My dad saw this and doesn't want to vote for a black person for President, but kind of likes Obama anyway.
June 1, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sad Story.
Slavery.
Abolition.
Jim Crow.
Separate But (Un!)Equal.
Klu Klux Klan.
Civil Rights Violations.
Nooses; Burning Crosses; Church Bombs.
Police Profiling.
100 to 1 Crack/ Powder Cocaine Sentencing Disparity.
Voter Suppression; Voter Intimidation.
June 1, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately I'm not feeling too sympathetic to this story. Black people have been enslaved, lynched, discriminated against by whites throughout history and still find it in themselves to vote for whites.
June 1, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you're drastically underestimating the power of the personal narrative. You can tell me about slavery until you're blue in the face, and as disturbing as that epoch was, it won't have the same effect as seeing my parents attacked repeatedly by people of a particular race. Even though we're talking about the statistical truth vs. the story of a single individual, when that individual is you, guess which story will impact your life more?
This in no way justifies racism, but we seriously undermine ourselves when we eschew understanding for the sake of demonizing others.
June 1, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that white people are scared. It is was it is. Maybe my family history is unique. It doesn't change the fact that those people who were scared of black people can't vote for them in 2008.
June 1, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
So your father was a racist and you vote for Obama as an act of counter-racism. And you think therefore that all Hillary supporters are racists and should be more like you. I can understand why your father left you, but it's too bad, because your mother obviously spoiled you. Now go ahead and take my hide all you want, because I don't read the comments. There's enough stupidity to read in the featured posts.
June 1, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
In bad need of a hug today, Otto?
Got hats?
June 1, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry LisB, I don't have any hats. I feel like I've let you down. Honestly, I do want you to have Lalo's hat. Take it! Merge, Acquire, etc. etc. Listen to Pirate_Peet!
June 1, 2008 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Otto hit a new low for himself today. He's almost become Milorad.
June 1, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are marked Otto. Why you couldn't be civil is beyond me. Why you couldn't be civil towards somebody you don't know is beyond me. Yes, beyond me.
This is not about a candidate. It's about an experience that lasted a lifetime for my father. You piece of unthinking shit.
Asshole: My father didn't leave me. And I have to stop because anything else is...well, justified.
You are a piece of work you ass-in-a-bag. I will stop here, but not forget.
June 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is OK. Give your Dad some space. At least he stayed a Democrat, and did not switch to the Republicans because of race, like most of the South,
and many of the Reagan Democrats did.
Rising above personal trauma and grievance is very hard for many people. That is why we see people
like Rev. Wright still venting, after all those years. Since your Dad is a staunch Democrat, I think that in the privacy of the voting booth he will find it very hard to vote for McCain.
You know how people do not want to be told what to do by their, parents, well the opposite is also true. Let you Dad sort it out, with feeling that you are pushing him toward doing what you want.
Now that the contest will play out as a choice between Senator Obama and McBushCain, I would not be surprised if your Dad does not warm to Obama.
Just give him the space and time to consider his options.
Does he read much. If he does, you might want to give him Desmond Tutu's book on peace and reconciliation. He is one of the great human beings of our time.
June 1, 2008 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
He doesn't read too much. But I did give him "The Audacity of Hope". I only hope he reads it, because it is filled with many of the discussions we've had over the years.
June 1, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
edit;
without feeling that he is being pushed
June 1, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I appreciate your story. I also appreciate that your father at least sounds like he's ready to come around.
Obviously as an African American, I have experienced racism, but nothing compared to my father and grandparents, but I don't see this as a contest of who suffered the most.
Since you appear to believe that your father is willing to vote for a Black man and putting aside fear and prejudice, it gives me hope for the future.
June 1, 2008 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, we'll see if he comes around. I'm hopeful. The point of this post, which I didn't state clearly, was that we all have an experience, and that experience can either tie us to the past or launch us to the future. Me, I'm working for the future. We can change the future if we want, one person at a time. And it's easist to start at home.
June 1, 2008 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chauncey... I read your narrative and came away... well, I guess ambivalent is the best word I can find right now.
Growing up -- hell, even as an adult I continue to hear -- (and I grew up in an integrated environment) I heard white people talk about the "bad things" that had happened to them because of black people: jobs taken away because of affirmative action; like your grandparents, claims of being beaten and robbed by by black people; the "shame" of having to live near, or go to school with black people, and heaven forbid if someone's daughter wanted to marry "one of them."
I also heard stories from my own immediate and extended family about the horrors, injustices, insults and slights visited upon us by white people. Jobs promised but never hired for, promotions promised but never received, the moving goalposts and changing rules of standards that come and go. (Sound familiar?) But let me be fair, there were also stories of "good" white people who defied convention and conventional wisdom to do what is right. To be honest, there were "lessons" in how to distinguish the "good" from the "bad."
Now through it all, no one in my family ever took the right to vote lightly, and exercised it religiously on every occasion. While they might have distiguished between "good" white politicians and "bad" ones; or distinguished between "good" black politicians and "bad" ones; or distinguished between just plain "good" politicians and "bad" ones, I cannot ever recall anyone in my family -- immediate or extended (and politics is frequent topic of discussion) -- choosing to not vote for a politician simply on the basis of their race.
It seems the "luxury" of being able to not vote for someone simply because you don't like the color of his or her skin is a luxury that is not afforded to the non-whites among us. How rich you are.
Perhaps if your father or grandfather had lived a few months in my father's or grandfather's skins, he might not have been so quick to judge on such a petty, superficial basis as race. My suspicion is that in the privacy of the voting booth, he'll still vote for the one that isn't black.
As I said, I came away ambivalent.
June 1, 2008 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, Chaunce.
June 1, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know how typical a voter your father is but this story is a useful reminder that we political junkies who hang out at TPM Cafe are the oddballs. We go at it over whose healthcare plan as a mandate and whose being honest with the credentials committee and virtually nobody else is picking their candidate that way.
Which means we're going to have to be very careful as we head into November. It might seem as if McCain has no chance and on the merits, he doesn't. But this election might not be won on the merits. It could be lost by a bunch of nice, well meaning people who will frankly say, "I know it's irrational but I'm going to vote for the old white dude because presidents are always old white dudes."
June 2, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
First you say nice and well meaning.
Then state that they'll make an irrational decision and vote for something familiar like another irrational person.
It's neither nice nor well meaning to be racist.
June 2, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree.
June 2, 2008 10:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
What I don't understand is how they lived in a black neighborhood for so long to come to the feelings that they have about black people as a stereotype. Are we to believe there were no honorable black people in the neighborhood? No black person that exhibited a moral quality of calling out the wrong to your grandmother? No one ever befriended them? They never had close relationships with black neighbors or families? Did they try?
And so these rare incidents scarred she and the family so that it's carried down from generation to generation? With no forgiveness involved?
I wonder how often this story and ideals were repeated?
I'm sure you're not giving us the full version of how and what they felt about black people. Only their limited justifications for doing so...as you have done.
June 2, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chauncey: I am curious as to why you thought it was a "no brainer" for your father, a liberal democrat, to vote for Obama since it is far from clear that Obama is the more liberal of the two candidates. Why is it that you saw Obama as the only liberal choice?
Your post also raises the question of how significant is voting for a person of color as a means of expiating America's racist past. Obviously, many people see it as just that. Obama has posited himself as a transcendent figure in that the act of voting for him becomes an act of hope. This is not based on any set of policies but rather on the promise of reconciliation inherent in choosing Obama himself, a person who transcends race. While I certainly understand and appreciate the symbolic significance of electing a person of color, political solutions are higher on my list of priorities. In the end, we are electing someone to do a job; the symbolism is secondary.
Finally, I suspect the number of voters who, like your father, will not vote for a black candidate is not that great and may be counterbalanced by the number of voters inclined in favor of the black candidate because of his race. Of far greater concern are the voters who on an unconscious level will be less likely to identify with the black candidate for whatever reason. I came across a curious study recently in which voters presented with two candidates with identical positions will view the black candidate as the more liberal of the two. I wish I had the link.
June 2, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, Obama shares so many views with my father and his views. We've had many political discussions prior to 2008 that I thought that Obama would fit into his paradigm. I guess I left one thing out of my analysis of him.
June 2, 2008 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jade, I don't disagree with a single thing you said. And frankly, I agree with you coming away ambivalent. African Americans have gotten the short end of the stick throughout our nation's history. To this day.
I guess my post was really trying to say that people's votes are shaped by their experience. I really didn't do a good job at expressing that, and I wasn't trying to say that "white people get hurt too". When I heard the words from my high-school teacher, it was a very painful exprience for me, because it made me realize how little our country has progressed since the 1860's. It was also trying to admit that in my own, small, little way, I'm trying to work to change that.
What I was really trying to do was stimulate an honest discussion of race in America. I feel very honored that you would share your family history with me. I only wish my father and I could sit down with you and your family and have frank and honest discussion about race in America. I'm sure my father would make you smile at the least, and laugh at the most, while your family could educate the both of us.
June 2, 2008 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
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