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McCain's "I'm a POW ..." is to Rudy's "9/11"
You remember Rudy's "9/11" mantra repeated ad nauseum? It looks like McCain has got one of his own.
McCain has had it easy. He won one highly contested congressional primary race in 1982. That's it! Since then McCain has won 1 congressional and 4 Senate Races by margins ranging from 20 to 52%. His curent performance on the campaign trail is, in my opinion, sophmorish, and likely the result of 5 easy elections over the past 24 years.
During his first primary election the issue of carpetbagger came up as he had just moved to Arizona the year before. When confronted, McCain responded with
Listen, pal. I spent 22 years in the Navy. My father was in the Navy.His defense du jour "I'm a POW ..." a replay of what has worked for him in the past, has already been used several times, in one form or another. during the past weeks in defending himself against Obama. I was surprised to see him use it so soon as it is his strongest suit. When responding to Obama's criticism of McCain's lack of support for the GI bill, McCain responded
My grandfather was in the Navy. We in the military service tend to move
a lot. We have to live in all parts of the country, all parts of the
world. I wish I could have had the luxury, like you, of growing up and
living and spending my entire life in a nice place like the First
District of Arizona, but I was doing other things. As a matter of fact,
when I think about it now, the place I lived longest in my life was
Hanoi.
"And I will not accept from Senator Obama, who did not feel it was his responsibility to serve our country in uniform, any lectures on my regard for those who did ... "pushing the "inexperienced" moniker on Obama. McCain's implication that Obama's lack of lack of service, disqualifies him from questioning his judgment on military issues, is silly, elitist, reveals a disdain for Obama's candidacy and does nothing to forward the discussion. I'm sure that some in his base agree with McCain's assertions of superiority in all things military. While McCain's service is admirable, it does not entitle him to the Presidency, which he seems to think, against Obama, it does.
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Comments (23)
McCain has a small brain but plenty of bluster. He is without honor. HIs POW status qualifies him for nothing but sympathy.
"And I will not accept from Senator Obama, who did not feel it was his responsibility to serve our country in uniform, any lectures on my regard for those who did ... "
Those are the words of a bigot, a phony, a jackass.
June 13, 2008 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. One of his first acts in his first term as a Congressman was to oppose the Martin Luther King Holiday in 1983. 25 years later he finally admits that he was wrong to oppose it.
I don't know what he will do in the coming months, but his performance so far is embarrassing.
June 13, 2008 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is absolutely pathetic to excuse Senator McCain of questions concerning the Military simply because he served. It does a disservice to the entire election, and it makes him look like a fool. As a veteran, shouldn't be be more ready to respond to questions of why he wouldn't vote for the GI Bill? I would think so.
June 13, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually the worst thing that sort of comment does is to make me realize the Vice President from his own party did not serve in the Vietnam war at all. He got a slug of deferments. Considering the problems with the Vietnam war and how it was conducted, anyone who said no thanks seemed reasonable to me though. On the other hand, Barack is 42 now and I am wondering if he was even old enough to fight in the Vietnam war and he was doing very important work in the Ch9icago neighborhoods when he did get older. What a truly gratuitous statement from McCain. Guess he says that all the time to Mr. Cheney, eh?
June 13, 2008 11:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe Barack is 46 years old, which is comparable to my age of 48. I reached draft age a few years after Viet Nam ended. Following a decade long disastrous war, the military was not highly regarded as a career choice. I considered the Marines' Officer Candidate School during college, but decided against it. The country was not at war; I never felt a compulsion to join. I'm sure my experience is very similar to many men my age, and may reflect Obama's experience.
I am very thankful to those who have served and fought when called upon. I often think of how few men in this world have never had a gun thrust in their hands by their government, have never had to point a gun at another man or had a gun pointed at them. I've been fortunate to fall into that category.
June 14, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
The similarity goes further. McCain and Guliana became more classical ReThugs to get elected...which is what really turned me off of Guliani.
I liked McCain for the past 7 years, but I've lost interest in him this year ever since he started veering hard right. Since he protests he's always been a true conservative, I must say that I am happy that he has chosen to show his real colors now rather than later.
I hope he continues to campaign badly.
June 14, 2008 2:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
There's a terrific post over at Daily Kos written by someone who attended his townhall meeting in New Jersey and describes it in detail.
It's a really good read - do check it out. It shows how farcical he and Lieberman are.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/14/0952/31661/488/535481
June 14, 2008 4:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
What a ridiculous bunch we can be. How hard is it to do what Senator Obama is doing? How difficult is it to, on the one hand, respect and honor a man like John McCain for his service and sacrifice as a POW while, on the other hand, we give him no cover when he advocates an unbridled militaristic foreign policy. John McCain is an American hero who doesn't deserve our vote. Grow up and deal with it.
June 14, 2008 8:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
My comment is not directed to the poster, but rather to some of the comments and some of the things I've been reading lately with respect to Senator McCain's service. I reserve a particular disdain for those who try and pretend that they can be itty bitty swift-boaters, by pushing the notion that Senator McCain really had it good in the Hanoi Hilton. I dunno, some of us around here want Obama win the election.
June 14, 2008 8:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
If I am reading you correctly you problem is with people who would think they have to diminish McCain's in order to win, and that there is a danger in doing so. If thats the case, I agree.
More importantly, the GOP seems perfectly content in conflating, distorting, demagoguery, and outright lying to an unsuspecting and uninformed electorate in order to win the election. How Bushlike of them.
June 14, 2008 9:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, you said it far more graciously than I did. Thanks.
June 14, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
That is, to diminish McCain's service in order to win.
June 14, 2008 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't diminish McCain's service. But I really would like someone to explain to me exactly how having been in the military and a POW makes McCain more experienced on national security. That's like saying that my uncle, who was a career military man, is more experienced on national security. Uh, I don't think so.
I believe one of McCain's campaign people was asked a similar question during one of their regular conference calls -- or worded more like "Give me one concrete example of how Senator McCain has more experience on national security. How did he gain that experience?" And the campaign person was sort of speechless. When pressed for details or explanations of how military service translates to presidential-level experience, they can't answer it.
I would like to see this issue pressed more, but I doubt it will be, only because to come near this issue makes it seem as if one is questioning/diminishing McCain's service. But it is neither. It's a legitimate question that needs to be asked, as this is the basis he's using for stating that he has more experience.
June 14, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think you raise a good point. His family's and his history of military service, although helpful, does not qualify as national security experience. McCain strongest claim to national security experience comes from his membership on the Senate Arm Services Committee. Even so, it takes more than the military to provide for national security. National security requires the diplomacy and use of economic, military and political power.
June 14, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Correction: National security requires diplomacy and use of economic, military and political power.
June 14, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain's 5 years as POW is to Commander In Chief training as my 3 years as backup high school quarterback is to Green Bay Packer head coach training. While I greatly respect McCain and all other POWs for enduring their horrific emprisonments, I was pleased to see Wesley Clark recently publicly point out that McCain's service hardly eclipses Barack Obama's as training for Commander In Chief. McCain entered the Naval Academy as a legacy admission and he finished in the 1 percentile. He commanded a few men associated with his flight crew, but he spent most of his service as a POW in confinement.
Most of the pundits immediately bestow the advantage to McCain in the military affairs / national security category without a closer look at McCain. He continuously mixes up the adversaries in Iraq. His "I will never surrender in Iraq" comments should prompt a pundit to ask "surrender to whom?" We are at best in a policing action in Iraq. I believe McCain has come to equate troop withdrawal with surrender, meaning he'll be loathe to withdraw anyone. Neither have I heard a pundit challenge McCain's attempts to equate our presence in Iraq to our presence in Germany, South Korea, and other posts in the world. In those places, our troops are a buffer against foreign elements. In South Korea, our troops are welcomed as protection against North Korea. Our presence in West Germany was intended to dissuade the Soviets and the Eastern Bloc countries. In Iraq, we are policing internal conflicts. This is not a winnable war from a military standpoint. McCain is the wrong man to bring this conflict to a reasonable and honorable conclusion.
June 14, 2008 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Military service is off the table. After eight years of George "AWOL" Bush and Dick "Deferment" Cheney no Republican candidate can credibly suggest that lack of military service is a disqualifier. In fact in the last four presidential elections, the candidate without the military service background has won: Clinton vs. Bush; Clinton vs. Dole; Gore vs. Bush; Kerry vs. Bush.
June 14, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have respect for the Iowa National Guard deployed in Iraq instead of home where they belong fighting the floods.
I have respect for those drafted into the Vietnam war who did their duty inspite of the criminal stupidity of politicians who got us into that war.
I don't respect those who glorify war. I have no particular respect for the officer class that has long supported an imperialistic foreign policy at the cost of the lives of innocent Vietnamese, Cambodians, and uncounted others.
I wish no one years in a prison camp including those McCain's party have falsely imprisoned during the current conflicts.
I see no point in promoting bogus charges against McCain, but he's no hero to me. He's no role model for my children. I don't know if Obama will make a good President but he's a finer role model. If war makers are our only heroes then I expect my children to have a future filled with wars.
June 14, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Several points need to be emphasized:
1) To compare McCain's POW notion to Rudy's 9/11 notion trivializes McCain's. Rudy was never in the same type of physical danger as McCain was. So let's be clear thinking here.
2) Every candidate used their backgrounds to justify why it shaped them to be better leaders. Hillary's supporters, for example, didn't have a problem with her invoking that she was a mother to justify her capabilities. When was the last time you heard a male invoking that he was a father and that entitles him to special insights? This is politics -- every candidate will highlight something unique about their resume to claim superiority.
3) John McCain did more than just spend years as a POW: he turned down the idea of special treatment. That is a measure of character; how many of us would do the same. In that sense, it does say something about him as a candidate.
4) That said, voting records and how they react as politicians are, and always have been, more important than vague connections made to personality. After all, for all her talk about being a mother, Hillary Clinton sent young men and women into battle... where was the mothering impulse there?
5) A final thought: given the recent death of a prominent journalist, I think it behooves us to think carefully about how vehement we are when someone is alive and how sympathetic we are when someone has died. The campaign has enough issues to use that as a basis of decision rather than attacking the candidates personally. In his youth, John McCain was an undeniably brave man, and did so in the service of his country.
Does that make him a hero?
Not to me. But then again, many of the so-called hero's promoted by both sides of the political spectrum strike me as coming up short. Few presidents are heros... the huge exception: Abraham Lincoln. And even he, was a master politician before all else.
If you want my definition of a hero consider:
Martin Luther King -- incredibly brave for a cause
Malcolm X -- who was smart enough to have an epiphany late in life (on a hajj) that cost him his life (his book should be required reading of every citizen in the US)
June 14, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't agree. I will try to explain before the day is over.
June 14, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
The comparison I made between Judy's "9/11" and McCains "I'm a POW" had nothing to do with the degree of self-sacrifice or authenticity involved in each event. My comment has to do with the repeated inappropriate use of these events in defense of a position, claim of qualification and demagoguery.
Rudy used "9/11" to justify his qualification to become President often in ways that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
McCain has used his military service to support his position on the GI bill, and to claim that he would not accept any criticism from Obama regarding military matters, because unlike him, Obama never served in the military. Discussing background to explain how those experiences shaped your current point of view or to say something about your personality is fine. Using it to avoid discussing your opponents objections isn't.
"I'm a POW so don't question me" doesn't work for me and I doubt it will work were it matters most, that is, with swing voters. In fact the inappropriate use of his POW experience belittles that experience.
June 14, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
if mcsame's military service were in some way commendable or exemplary, then mcsame could talk, and Obama would have to listen.
but when you finish 891 out in a class of 896 at West Point, crash five planes, and spend five years in captivity, I don't see how that qualifies you as a military expert
when you compare West Point (where mcsame was a legacy admission) to Harvard, and when you compare the "891 of 896" factor to the "Editor of the Harvard Law Review" factor, maybe mcsame should just shut his fooking pie hole
ya think ???
June 14, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your arguments appeal mostly to emotions.
Consider Ted Kennedy -- who people thought should run for president:
Essentially a Legacy admission to Harvard (if not outright backroom donations via Daddy)
Caught violating the honor code (e.g. cheating)
So, there you have it.
Why not compare policies instead of insipid appeals to emotions?
Oh, and by the way, he was in the Navy...and so didn't go to West Point. And he graduated 894th out of 899. And having planes crash often happens to military pilots. Now, just how many other "facts" do you know just as accurately?
June 14, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
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