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McCain: America Established As A Christian Nation

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I don't know if this lets me embed this Youtube video or not, but choice quotes from the video are:


"The number one issue that is in the selection... of
the President of the United States is will this person carry on in the
Judeo-Christian principle-tradition that has made this nation the
greatest experiment in the history of mankind.



"The constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation."

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I guess the software doesn't let me embed a Youtube video... ah, well.

Wow, that was one boring video. Not your fault. His fault.

That said--I challenge anyone to find the words "Christ" or "Jesus" in our Constitution or our Declaration of Independence.

"Nature and Nature's God" does not a Christian nation make.

Does it a Druidic nation make?

I like to think so, but wouldn't go so far as to argue it. Deist is a nice, inclusive term. The founding fathers were largely Deists....

Yeah, but it'd be much more fun to argue the Druidic angle. Sometimes I like to push buttons.

What do Druids have to do with anything?

They're nature lovers (I'm riffing off of the "Nature's God" bit), and they annoy right-wingers. A winning combination!

(I'll withhold my opinion about their actual religious beliefs.)

I was just asking since Druids were(are?) polytheists, not fitting the given phrase.

True. I suppose "Nature's gods" might be more appropriate for them than "Nature's God".

Hmm. Reminds me of a paper from the previous semester on dominionism (see wikipedia for more on that):

For example, a soft dominionist would hold that freedom of religion applies to Christians, but not to Hindus or various Christian offshoots such as Mormonism or the Seventh Day Adventists (Clarkson, 1997; Goldberg, 2006). It is interesting to note that in a dissenting opinion on McCreary County v. ACLU (Scalia, Rehnquist, & Thomas, 2005), three United States Supreme Court justices held that government neutrality towards religion applied exclusively to monotheistic religions, explicitly excluding polytheist, deist and atheist beliefs from equal legal protection*:

The Court thinks it “surpris[ing]” and “truly remarkable” to believe that “the deity the Framers had in mind” (presumably in all the instances of invocation of the deity I have cited) “was the God of monotheism.” This reaction would be more comprehensible if the Court could suggest what other God (in the singular, and with a capital G) there is, other than “the God of monotheism.” This is not necessarily the Christian God (though if it were, one would expect Christ regularly to be invoked, which He is not); but it is inescapably the God of monotheism.

and further on:

One cannot say the word "God," or "the Almighty," one cannot offer public supplication or thanksgiving, without contradicting the beliefs of some people that there are many gods, or that God or the gods pay no attention to human affairs. With respect to public acknowledgment of religious belief, it is entirely clear from our Nation's historical practices that the Establishment Clause permits this disregard of polytheists and believers in unconcerned deities, just as it permits the disregard of devout atheists.

* It is not known if the irony of excluding the Deist beliefs of Founding Fathers such as Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson from constitutional protection was lost on these justices.

Clarkson, F. (1997). Eternal Hostility: The Struggle Between Theocracy and Democracy. Monroe, ME: Common Courage Press.

Goldberg, M. (2006). Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism. New York, NY: W. W. Norton & Co.

Scalia, J., Rehnquist, C. J., & Thomas, J. (2005). McCREARY COUNTY, KENTUCKY, et al. v. AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION OF KENTUCKY et al. Retrieved May 2, 2008, from http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=000&invol=03-1693

Wow, that's really scary. You should copy this over to this thread as well:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/06/six-of-nine.php

Easily done.

According to these quotes, why would deists be prevented from having equal protection?

According to these quotes, why would deists be prevented from having equal protection?

Because Deists believe in an 'unconcerned' deity, and the justices who wrote the dissent explicitly said that the establishment clause does not apply to such individuals:

With respect to public acknowledgment of religious belief, it is entirely clear from our Nation's historical practices that the Establishment Clause permits this disregard of polytheists and believers in unconcerned deities, just as it permits the disregard of devout atheists.

He's going to be tough in the general.

Poor guy. He tries. He so tries to speak the language of the christianists but he just can't. He looks so uncomfortable talking about abortion, gays or God. Those flocks that showed up for Pastor Bush ain't going to show up this time.

I hope you're right, but a lot can change between now and November. If enough of "Christian" right get behind McCain, things could change significantly.

He hurt their feelings back in 2000 and they're a sensitive bunch. I just don't see him relating to them on their issues. I was talking to a friend of mine who is a pastor and is really in touch with a lot of these voters and he was telling me that McCain is not trusted. And more importantly, he's just not liked.

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Wooohhhhh whooo!

ROE V WADE is off the table as a reason not to support Mccain

Pro-Choice Democrats and John McCain

A Commentary By Froma Harrop
Tuesday, June 10, 2008

Hillary Clinton's blessing notwithstanding, many of the New York senator's supporters will resist the handover to Barack Obama. The sexism that permeated the recent campaign still rankles, and John McCain is far from the standard-issue Republican they instinctively vote against.

A big sticking point for wavering Democrats will be McCain’s position on reproductive rights. Clinton's backers are overwhelmingly pro-choice, and they’ll want to know this: Would McCain stock the Supreme Court with foes of Roe v. Wade? The 1973 decision guarantees a right to abortion.

The answer is unclear but probably "no." While McCain has positioned himself as "pro-life" during this campaign, his statements over the years show considerable latitude on the issue.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_froma_harrop/pro_choice_democrats_and_john_mccain

You have a very funny idea of what "off the table" means. You say "the answer is unclear", and even that's based off a very selective perception. McCain has said very clearly what kind of Justices he'll appoint.

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