More than just the nose, I'm afraid. I have honestly been appalled at how fucking self-involved some people are when it comes to this. "Obama didn't do exactly as I want, so I'm going to pout and whine and sulk..."

Eyes on the prize, people.

Accurate. The strangest thing about the Obamanauts is their apparently insatiable appetite and ability to suppress cognitive dissonance. Has to be doing some damage on the inside, doesn't it?

Here's an example. They fall on the floor, writing in ecstacy over Dodd's opposition to the new FISA. In his speech to the Senate the other night, Dodd came right out and made the connection between the illegal surveillance and torture. Did the Obamanauts get that Dodd was saying our candidate is backing an argument that is the moral equivalent of justifying torture and could be used for even that? Nope.

Really. How can one take these people seriously at all?

Bill Clinton ran as a flaming liberal and governed as a DLC corporate stooge, selling out this country along with the neocons who took over in 1994.

Bill Clinton won not by triangulating. He won by holding the democrats together while Perot split the republicans apart. Same thing in 1996. He won by being more liberal, not less, and democrats ate it up because they have always had this weird fetish thing for Bill. Don't look at his first-term record. That makes too much sense. Just elect the fool because the republicans hate him!

That is what has passed for common sense in the democratic party until Barack came along.

He is the opposite of Bill Clinton. He won the primary campaigning on vision. He'll win the general convincing moderate republicans and independents that he can deliver on his liberal plans without making them the enemy in the process. He'll win a governing majority, like Reagan, if he can convince the disaffected on the right that he can be a president for all Americans, which he is doing. They know they will get a seat at the table as we design a new American century.

The republican party has a long and noble history in this country. It is time a democratic president was able to remind them of that, but he needs to win first.

Of course that pisses off the left, because they never had a realistic view of him in the first place. They bought Hillary's framing. Barack was always a pragmatist who could sacrifice short-term gain for a longer-term evolution of thought in this country.

Can't take the American center back to the left until after you win the election. As good of a candidate as Barack is, only a president has the power to change a nation like that.

Seems like common sense to me.

So we are told to do.

So who are you voting for? I would have been happy with Chris Dodd but you guys wouldn't have him. So I switched to Obama with Edwards as an alternate. So now I suppose you think I should switch to McCain? Heh. Wallow in your anger. Drown in it. I'm voting for Obama no matter what.

That is the response of a child not an adult.

Thank you.

I agree - they can rail on and on about this all they want - it won't change my support for Obama. It just has made me look at it all more carefully, which all these screamers haven't done. They are going by what they read online about this.

I've followed it from the start. The FISA statute was there before Bush became president. The problem is not the FISA statute - it's that Bush totally ignored the statute. He had the power under the statute to do warrantless surveillance - that's the whole purpose of the fucking statute which has been there for a number of years. The problem here is that Bush didn't go to the FISA court as required after authorizing the warrantless surveillance, and get the FISA court to sign off on it.

Now - inasmuch as our constitutional rights are guaranteed against the government, not against corporations, being able to sue the telecoms is a really stupid red herring. In the first place, these mythical trials Glenn Greenwald talks about wouldn't happen - the evidence would be classified and wouldn't come int.

This whole thing is a big ass roundabout way of trying to hold someone responsible when the only person responsible is BUSH.

As for the so-called

Rationality in a sea of insanity.

Well-stated.

Do you dream of Obama? Do you refer to him as "Dear Leader" yet? You Obama cultists are hilarious, you'll justify anything he does. Then cry anytime someone points out he's not actually, you know, the 2nd coming.