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I'm Bored. Thrill Me, Ya Bastids.


Yep. I'm bored. Here's why. As I wander the
tables in this fine TPM establishment, coyotes in tow, I see & hear some
wonderful things. Witty (even Des got in a good one there the other night.)
Insightful & Historical (See: y'all on FISA.) I get to be surprised by
people's (oft well-cloaked) humanity (that's you, Vlad, you ole Draco you.) I
get offered drinks & music & riddles (you know who you are.) Plus, I
get to watch some great scraps - TV got nothin' that can compete with our own
Itchy & Scratchy.

 

And with all that, how could I be bored? Well. Boredom's a funny thing - it's relative. Y'see, it's often them waggly lil lines of conversation, the ones that tangent over toward that border on the right (damn that border) & the ones plunked down at the bottom, late at night, that I like best. Now, some of you will say, "Oh. But quinn esq, that's life." Well, shut up, you lot. You're scum, and disruptive.

 

It NEEDN'T be that way, life on the margins. (And yes, I go all CAPS when I lean on a word, 'cos damned if I know how to work this incredibly complex, nuanced software.) Anyway... What I'd most like is if some of the comments raised off on the edge were followed up. Direct-like. In posts that started where it was important. That way, we could start with something that made our brains work, and our wits tingle. At their ends. (Wits. End. Ahh screw it.) And then, as we worked at it, we'd find new tangents. Which became even more interesting & more fun. And yes, your marriage would suffer & your income plummet. Get over it.  


And love 'im or loathe 'im, that's why Billy G plays here. Cos he's got a big bad brain. Multiple brains (and perhaps, voices.) Cool, says I. The day I'm outgunned in a battle of wits is the day I.... ummmm... yeah. (Piss off, I'm thinking. Witty riposte to follow.) What I was saying is that I suspect Billy - like a batch of you (no, not you Genghis) - are bloody brilliant people. Or thoughtful. Or deep. Or good for free drinks. What are we afraid of?

 

We all agree already, that we're part of a culture that's dumbed us down. But JC-On-A-Spoon, why not imagine Colbert & Stewart as our starting point? Let's create something THEY'D enjoy.

 

I'll start with my fellow Obama-backers. We won, so we can most afford a kick in the 'nauts, right? Hello? WTF is it with us anyway? Here's Barack, out there for months, saying, "Ummmm.... This isn't about me. It's about ALL of us." Makin' speeches about having DIFFERENT kinds of conversations, he is. About how the old lines & divisions have to be ERASED. Well (quiet for a minute Des, no cheap shots), how about we PAY A LI'L BLOODY ATTENTION to the dude? Cos when he says, "It's about ALL of us," this does not mean, "Shut up, I'm the only one that gets to talk/think/breathe til November." You wanna BE the change? Well then, ACT it. Neither is it a "different" conversation to say, "Rove is berry bad mans." Nor will old lines get erased with ever-so-winning remarks like "Get over it."

 

We need to raise our game. We know it, Obama says it. And the world, the times & our children demand it. (Hey... I like that! Except for that "children" bit. Friggin' kids, they demand too much as it is. Lil bastards. Let 'em screw up their OWN world, then they can talk.) 

 

We need to raise our game. I said it before, and I was mad. But tonight, I'm sayin' it again. Because I mean it. Now. I'm gonna go out on a limb, knowing damn well Billy (and/or rabbit-dude) is snickering back there with his saw - and offer up some suggested topics. Mock on, mock on, but here's what interests ME. What I do not find boring. How I think we can raise our game. My starting 5. Add your own. Or else.

 

1. How to BREAK OPEN a culture of fear, division, selfishness, hyper-nationalism. No, I did not say shout at it. Imagine that the next 4 months saw a cultural opening, a blossoming, with a political edge. What would that look like? Because a politician, no matter how good, cannot do much more than signal that things might be different. So what's it to be... A simultaneous, nation-wide set of concerts, where everyone ends up singing "One?" A million dada'ist moments, pasted on the supermarket walls? Handmade billboards on a million lawns, each with their own message of what change looks like to you? If the culture does not change, neither BO nor HRC is gonna be able to do more than hold our worst fears at bay.

 

2. Obama and the Democrats are gonna be BROKE come next January. Take my word for it. I'm a shit-hot economist in real-life.  And they won't be just a little broke either. Oh. And so will the American economy. And you and me. Now. How's that gonna be dealt with? Start by imagining that yes, we have no money. None of us. Not the guvmint, not you and me. Be creative. We've got trillions tied up in wasted real estate and floorspace, horsepower that we can't feed. Fix it. GIT GOIN'!

 

3. Assume the Republicans do not gently go down to this 40 years a'comin' defeat. Imagine an October Surprise. Look past the smears of the campaign unfolding. Now, INOCULATE the population against that. Some of you think this is far fetched. I think we can set up a play area somewhere in here to keep you amused while the demented few (with a goddamn clue) ponder this.

 

4. A generational story. Only this time, a story that doesn't start with totally bogus "labels" like Boomer and X etc. Let's start somewhere sensible. With a myth (which means "big story," not a "bald lie" for those of you not paying attention in Theology class.) Billy likes the Greek story. Obamabauts. But I'm gonna float another, cos I was raised Baptist - The Exodus. (And no, please don't bring Israel post-'48 issues into this. I'm talking MYTH, ok?) The children of Egypt, enslaved, rebel & make a run for it. Face 40 years in the wilderness. There were sacrifices & whole new dreams back there in '68. But these wilderness years.... well, they've thrown up a lotta grumbling. A lot of people turned back to the fleshpots, or over to the Golden Calf. Too damned AFRAID to enter into anywhere new. And so a whole new generation of children had to be born, and raised up under new conditions, to get rid of the fear that blocked us from "entering in." But as a people, they learned to reject the old idols, old models of "Kings." They made up new agreements, new understandings. A dozen "tribes" formed, movements, engaging with other slaves, exiles, wanderers... even women! Tis a grand story (and let's not bother with Leviticus fights, ok?) Argue.

 

5. Tell me why choosing Hillary as VP, overcoming all bitterness, would do more to PROVE to America that BO means what he says about overcoming old divisions, show what "Change We Can Believe In" looks like and prove himself worthy of trust, than anything else he can tangibly DO in 4 months. (And yes, I have heard some of you don't like her. Me neither. I don't "like" her. But bugger off. Hating is boring. "Big Change" may not look like you think.)

 

That's yer assignment. And I WILL throw your ass outta here if you revert. And if you don't like it & wanna go postal on me, I'll send you my address & you can come threaten me. (Disclosure: I grew up on a  farm with 16 boys. I look forward to opening some Yes We Can on yer sorry ass. I'm frightening. And that's just the hair.)

 

So come on. Bring it, TPM'ers. Thrill me, damn you. Mess with my head. And bring music, willya? 




Comments (349)

Sorry, I couldn't finish your post. I got bored. :(

Naaaaaasty. That's gotta be worth 3 points.

Welcome back! Missed your profile.

And will SOMEONE that wanders in please hit that freakin' RECOMMENDED button? Otherwise.... I end up in archive hell in about 20 minutes. Not askin'..... beggin'.

Come ON people! 99 comments and 8 rec's? Shameful. Hit he damned button already!

For the moment, I have another Shapeshifter blog. What do you think?

Sounds like blog pimping as usual - next thing you know you'll be asking us to pay off your blog debts. Rec'd anyway - it's the Baptist in me coming out, helping out a brutha.

Though really should have held out for 4 or 5 more refrains of Amazing Grace while the plate goes around and around.

... that saved a wretch, like meeeeee.... all together now brethren & cistern.....

So many songs, so little time.

We've no less days to sing God's praise than when we've first begun.

What do you mean, so little time?

Smaller picture. Saving the post - limited time.

chimpo, id of the ether and particles reconstituted. You slip across time, a being beyond mere form. Conquer these heathens, you ape on high and human so low, your fragile id in Kali's flow. Devour the world, Des, it's time.

welcome blue. i believe des has just passed through. seems to have mistaken me for a mister "bomba the jungle boy." i looked him up - unpleasant fellow. perhaps des continues the hunt for this miscreant. you can continue your hunt here, but i fear the thrill is gone, and boredom returned.

Make your own thrills then. I hear they think you might be me. That's crap-think. I have to work at chaos whereas your natural manner is total fragmentation. You looked a lot more edgy in blue. What happened? The literal is so not happening. I noticed in your utterances now a certain gift for unusual forms of crap-speak. You're a kind of elevated crapper. I'm working on my crap-speak dictionary. Serve up any new idiot-grams if you might. You'll be in the poet's section. Post less. Get more. Go short. Get long. Yell trash. Sing song. Too many words, get gone. Just being a friend.

If whirling fragments are contained, great power. If fail, craptacular. These alternate in this sphere... Advices received, but hard-drive badly damaged. Concussion grenade... Happy to contribute to dictionary. Pls accept for submission your friend's phrase, "under the bus." Credit me not. These words irritate the fragments. Pls contain within " "... Don't work too hard at the chaos. Natural dementia has its virtues... Friendship accepted. Fights will be worse... Today is a good day to die.

I have no idea what you are talking about. See, you are the master of chaos. Or this is a lingo I do not understand.

LOL.

Devouring the world pixel by pixel but in fast motion. Will then jump across a ravine and regurgitate it on the other side. Only problem is the ravine is wide, and may take a long time to ford otherwise. The universe will just have to stand still.

But if it does stand still, will the dark matter overtake Stephen Hawking on his race to the edge of the expansion? Me head hurts now, chimpy. I only asked that you devour the world, not fuck with the cosmos.

Close the gap - raven the ravine.

raven the revine?

Canadian poetry.......thrilling !

There is no poetry in Canada. Or beyond.

Was sad that I could not lure Des the Devourer over. Was otherwise engaged, stopping by only to speak of the ravine problem." Had hoped to see the Devourer in full flight, eating, regurgitating... New creation. Sadly, that now must wait. Received only a lesson on wolves & dogs. This is not the Destroyer.

the chimp comes and goes...he wouldn't be the chimp if you could count on him. but quinny, I can see you're at the crossroads here, you have some power, but you be wondering what to do with it, and what it means...

do people respect you, or are you just another pretty road.

First, off. You wouldn't have made a ripple here without that first pic, and everyone posting here is imagining you as that funky face. Bring it back. Without it, the power you do have will fade. Ideas match the pic. Your lingo doesn't match your road.

Second. What you bring here is energy. This place is so tired of itself it can't keep going. With Obama beating Hillary, there is nothing going on here that merits a great effort. It's the energy dude.

Next. Having put up some energy grabbers, now people want you to carry them....hey, there's quinny...let's get hot.

In fact, seems like you're already get that.

Advice from the Blue Guy. Stay off a bit. You must have a life. Come back when this place is dying (that will be in three days) with endless block quotes and lists and confessionals. Ya got your fans.

Listen, concerning pics. I'm not sure how long you've been watching this place, but if the chimp ever brings back his id-thing he will rule like God on HIgh...I think he's working on a new one, personally. And that's why we don't see him.

That's my advice, quinine. Whenever I talk to des, i see the chimp id, and the cosmos. The most interesting thing I've ever seen at this dump, and it didn't take a single word to make that so.

Well, just to jump in on one specific thing. I agree about the avatar. Your first one is definitely what grabbed people's attention, if only because they thought you were the other blue guy at first.

Interesting psychological phenomenon, the effects of those avatars. Play a bigger role than many realize. Good and bad, I guess. Before I got one, I wanted something vaguely ironic and amusing, couldn't find it, grabbed this one meaning for it to be temporary, and now it would feel weird to change it.

and you'd break many a heart, beach girl.

Interesting. Are we less inclined to read a post of, or respond to, those with no avatar?

Chimp has been distracted, has to walk a bit, canary in a coal mine. Sorry to let you down, will try to make up for it.

(Jumps in)

Okay, I brought the music. You've got your choice between The Clash, and their bassist Paul Simonon with a newer band called, apparently, The Good The Bad and The Queen.

Also, I've brought a beer tap, dozens of bottles of liquor, glasses, ice, and a fun sense of humor.

So.

(Jumps behind bar)

I'm bartender for the night, and I'll start with giving you your drink of choice, while I drink mine, and give you this to get the music crowd worked up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKvCEUJfQA4

I love this song.

Drinks, here, ya bastids!! Free drinks here!!


Like it. Cool vid. Clash + Verve +Blur + Sufis. 4 points (music gets more points that wit here.)

Here's something from the same place. Afro Celt Sound System. With Peter Gabriel. Sound isn't great, but this is the original vid, which they had to can, as it was shot just before 9/11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em7bk_McVHU

Afro Celts, baby!

I really, really liked that!

Peter Gabriel is such a creative genius.

Marvelous.

Ooh, I love being called a bastid. And then being served a drink.

Aaaaahhh.

Baby got back! I cannot lie, you other brothers can't deny -

You've entered the twilight zone...another diminsion in the space time (HOW DO YOU SPELL THIS WORD here).

Be afraid, be very afraid. We should all be. Mothers, fathers, childless type A personalities, Lazyboy lovers (hmmm..an image appears), boys in boxers, ladies in lace, boys and girls in lace boxers, cardboard box home owners, old, young, ancient babies, baby seals, fat people, skinny bloggers who forget to eat, tall types, short shits, medium middle-of-the roadkill, rich, poor, white as trash, black as tar, think I may have gone too far...

McCain might win in November. Just imagine that.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Now yer talkin'! 7 points. Just for the Lazyboy lovers. But you lost 3 for the fear. Look at these guys. Frightened Rabbit. Glaswegian. Smart. And singing about death, to kindergarden kids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBcbDS5AGnk&eurl=http://hearsay.alphaquam.com/2008/02/25/head-rolls-off-with-kids/

Go on. Make me unafraid. I dare ya.

"When my blood stops, someone else's will not.
When my head rolls off, someone else's will turn.
You can mark my words, I'll make tiny changes to Earth.
While I'm alive, I'll make tiny changes to Earth."


Through my thoughts, I know them.

With my words, I respond to them.

Through my touch, I heal them.

With my deeds, I show them.

Through my belief, I love them.

They are me.

I am strong, I am invincible, I am woman!

That's not fair. 3 points? But the Lazyboy lovers! Oh, bother.

Barak Obama is an intelligent, honorable man with a keen sense of who he is. He is "comfortable in his own skin" (as opposed to someone else's, ick), has a calm mentality and a smooth grace. Barak Obama does not pander (much, ok?), does not lie, does not talk down to the American people like we are but sheep. OK, he lies. Name one person living or dead since Adam and Eve who has not. Anyway - Barak Obama knows how to win this election. It's something he has had mapped out in his brilliant mind for a very long time. It's like a long complex puzzle with hidden pieces and stumbling blocks that he has already overcome. He is already thinking about his Presidency, probably his second term. That's why the whole FISA thing is overblown. He has a plan for the future, he visualizes it. His and ours. I want this man as my President. This man WILL BE my President. And on behalf of the Lazyboy lovers everywhere - Amen to that!

So, do I get my freaking points back?

You get 1/2 the points back. (Keep score, willya?) You get the other 1/2 if you tell me the biggest lie Obama MIGHT be telling, that would totally freak you out. Make you afraid. He's the Bogey-Man. What lie is he telling?

7 - 3 + 1.5 = Current score 5.5

I want my full 7.

That he actually believes and supports everything Rev. Wright "stands for" - serious shutter. Chills, sweats. Might pass out.

Lis, help. Give me a Long Island Iced Tea. Pronto!

Nope, you got the full 3 back already - below - for beating Balrog to the button. The 1/2 of the 3 you also got back. Surging ahead.

But why was Wright so scary? I was raised Baptist. and my Ministers were 1/2 wonderful (smuggled Jews out of Europe and into England during WW2) and 1/2 complete nutbars.

Tell me what Wright said that would scare you if Obama said it.

I am thankful to God that I cannot quote Wright. I listened to, and watched in full, his speech before the NAACP. Prior to the one that finally so offended Obama. And rightfully so. Yet, as I watched it, I actually laughed out loud several times! The parts about how our accents affect our words, using Kennedy and others as examples, was funny to me. I didn't see it as horribly as others. It depends on your mindset going in, I suppose. As with most things.

Then he began to speak about how the black child thinks a different way. Learns with a different side of the brain. He lost me there. It was no longer amusing. Need I spell out why?

So, to answer your brief question with a rediculously long answer ( I should never type and think at the same time ) - I don't have a quote or two. Just a really heavy heart.

Thanks for the hypothetical depresion.

PS - add an s

I liked what Wright said about how Empires have come and gone, and every time, their governments turn THEMSELVES into God. And God apparently doesn't like it. So He "damns" them. That's what led up to that God Damn America thing that got repeated. I've heard that said lots of times. Especially since the War started. Overseas AND in America, with white Americans. Would it make you afraid of Obama if he worried that America might be in for an awful come-uppance? And that he might be running to try and avoid that fate?

No. There were many things Wright said with which I agreed, in theory. Including the GD America. We do as a country put ourselves out there as holier than thou, which if you have a faith based ideology is blasphemis. Lord, (no pun intended) did I spell that right?

But he is extreme. Goes to far, by far to continue the separation of races. And that is the opposite of what Barak Obama is trying to do. And that is that on Wright.

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This Wright guy can't catch a break. Ya can't win for trying. Never pays to talk the truth, does it?

Snuck up on me. Kudo's.

This Wright guy can't catch a break. Ya can't win for trying. Never pays to talk the truth, does it?

He's been paid quite a bit, I hear. But hasn't won yet. BYW, what's he try'n to win, friend?

I'll throw down with you Numbers Guy. I dig the Wright. That first week the 'nauts were like "oh, he's just speaking the truth, and wasn't that Bill Moyers Show just SO special." Once Obama dumped him, the 'nauts got all lock-stepped and demonized the dude. Ya know, it kinda reminds me of something. That year when the reds
cozied up to Hitler cause Stalin told them to. Christ in a bunny basket. The 'nauts are Stalinists." Billy's right. Row the boat you mind slaves.

The problem is trying to boil down any one person or any relationship to a simplistic mindset is impossible. To even try to understand Wright or the relationship between Obama and Wright, you have to be willing to do nuance. Media doesn't do that. Too many don't.

And as to Wright's "extreme" views. Why does it have to be that Obama either holds the same views or complete opposite ones? Sometimes, the people we meet in our lives who take extreme positions or say audacious things are the ones who provoke the most thought. It's obviously the case that Wright helped shape who Obama is, as all the people in our lives do. Doesn't mean you entirely agree with them or don't. But they push us to new ways of thought.

You're the smart one here, kiddo, and nuance is what's called for, as is history and understanding. You're not with the 'nauts, though you're too respectful to say so. Like me, you're for Obama all the way, but not rowing in the lock-step. Shallow journalism and shallow history has brought us to the Wright demonization. The Obamas were at that church for years. There had to be something good there, and honest, and something that helped inspire Obama. History will get it right. Just not now.

Apparently, I get left behind on the beach...

Will history get it right? I sure hope so. Have we so far? History books a lot different than when I was a kid. Who gets to tell the history? Hopefully, there's always some person willing to tell their story. Keep telling it. So we don't forget.

That's always the rub, I guess. We get the stories, but forget that you can't separate the story from the storyteller.

tell me about it, beach girl. I'm blue-listed and may have to write under a pseud.

Not to hard to outrace the BalRog. The BalRog is not about speed. The BalRog is about PAAAAAAAIN.

is that an airplane or a trumpet flying at your head?

A sailplane. Below and waaaay behind me. Suspended from the ceiling.

Hi, BalDog!

I'm feelin' mellow.

Move me, Jeff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AratTMGrHaQ

And I'm bettin' more people play on number 4 than any other.

Me?

I'm thinkin'.

Listenin'.

Groovin'!

Zzzzzzzzzz......wh....Wha??

Ack! Too mellow!

Aw, but it's a killer tune!

(Maybe you have to be high to get the full effect. Some people tell me that, anyway.)

Shoulda gone with Mojo Pin... nobody snoozes after the climax.

Thanks for that. There's a mythic figure for the 90's. to be that great, and to just walk into the river and drown. Music playing on the beach. Honest to God, it broke my heart. I want Buckley back.

Alright, we have some music & drink. Next one in, tackle one of those 5 things willya? Or make up a 6th. Something you really REALLY wanna talk about, and think we should be talking about daily. No not a pet "issue." Something that messes your head up.

Extra points.

If we are decended from apes, why are there still apes? Doesn't evolution mean the original changes into something else? Just ask'n, been messing uo my head for awhile -

uo = up

Wow, Lis, you're quite a bartender! Hiccup

Because we are NOT "descended from apes". We and apes are both descended from common ancestors that, admittedly, were more "ape"-like than "people"-like.

But even so, under the right conditions, SOME of a population of one species can evolve into something else while the rest of the population stays the same, or close enough to the same that no one can tell the difference.

We now rejoin "politics", already in progress.

So what do we call our more "ape"-like than "people"-like ancestors? Just wondering, I'm working on a family tree.

It varies. You know. Gramma. Grampa. Great-aunt Ogg. Whatever.

Or you could just call 'em all "Hairy".

;)

Awesome. Louis Prima.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX_7DmnAp_E

Balrog. You say, "But even so, under the right conditions, SOME of a population of one species can evolve into something else while the rest of the population stays the same." Please describe the conditions under which we can evolve differently.

barefoot. If you get here first, I'll give you your 3 points back.

Deal?

And this video (above), from the Jungle Book... is REQUIRED viewing. For all of you. Watch Baloo. He got the moves.

Balrog - Are you the something else or the rest of the population? I have an idea...

First one back. 3 points. Yesssss. Have a drink. then tell me why Balrog is something more than the rest of the population. Make it up. Be kind.

Not something more, something ELSE.

He may have taken the wind out of my sails by "answering" the question himself. The population of grey wolves stayed the same, but those few that wandered out, seperated themselves from the population, became dogs. Average, ordinary dogs. While the rest remained grey wolves.

By his own analogy, his is a dog.

I'm okay with that. I like dogs.

And, if slavish obedience doesn't invalidate a life, you would have to admit that dogs have been a whole lot more successful over the years than grey wolves.

I have a copy of this video in my personal library.

I love it.

Dogs are widely considered a separate species from the grey wolf. But their DNA is virtually identical.

HYPOTHESIS: Some, but only relatively few, grey wolves learned to interact with humans. They thus separated themselves from the wolf population at large, and, over much, much, much time evolved into "dogs", while the grey wolves that did not interact with humans stayed the same (or so close to it that we can't tell the difference).

I may be misremembering the details of the hypothesis, or even how seriously biologists regard it, but you were only asking for a "f'r'instance" and that is the best one I know.

I'd take "dog" as a high compliment, Balrog! From the ages of 1-5, I was raised separate from my family, in a little ole house, down in the woods by a stream, by an elderly retired couple. Plus a German Shepherd, with whom I spent every waking hour. People laugh, but the family joke is that I was raised by wolves (i.e. dogs.)

Tell me. With wolf populations declining, and dogs being one of the most successful populations on Earth, which ones made the right call? And if you choose "dog", and we make America's old ways are the equivalent of the wolf, what should we do now?

"Wolf populations are declining". Right. During the 1500's, Indian populations declined. During the 1800's, buffalo populations declined. Had something to do with being hunted down and exterminated, but if you put it in the passive, it always sounds quaint.

Dogs learned to suck up to humans perhaps 100 thousand years ago. Mutually beneficial - they had good sense of smell and were warm to snuggle against and we stopped eating them so much.

Now we're heading into A Boy and his Dog territory - Post-Apocalyptus (I used to think this was a plant). And Bomba the Jungle Boy is going to lead us out with his pack of werewolves. Lead on, esquimaut, lead on.

Wandering?

Surviving. Scavaging. Living.

sorry for the passive tense. won't happen again. we killed the wolves. dogs figured a different way out. points to the dogs perhaps. i donno. maybe the wolves left enjoy their wolving.

bomba? not much there to be enjoyed. maybe you know another bomba, and have mistaken me. i believe so.

and my apologies if the "got in a good one" comment came off wrong. you know as well as i that in my short term here, you've gotten off a few hundred good ones des. i suspect everyone else knows you do as well. but again, apologies if this came out in ways i didn't intend.

Not even sure what it referred to, but the idea is to blog fast and furious and take no casualties, the occasional "mea culpa, sorry I took your head off, it'll get better", but at no time express regrets.

noted. and regretted.

I've erased whole metros from maps, turned cities into dust. What time have I for regrets? I've had a few, too few to mention. Time takes a cigarette, puts it in your mouth. Pulls on your finger, then another, then your cigarette. The wall-to-wall is calling, it lingers, then you forget. Then a 20 kiloton explosion slams you against what would have been a wall before it melted and you lose your train of thought. Oh oh, oh oh oh - you're a thermonuclear suicide.

You now have a soft spot in my heart, BalDog.

Woof! [pant][pant][pant] Woo-oo-oof!

Okay, here's my theory. Ready?

All natural stuff happened here, by accident, after mud and stars slammed around and settled for millions and billions of years. And all natural creatures started to form out of the cells left swimming in calm, gentle pools, stirred up by the winds and the burning planet we call the sun.

And these natural things grew and developed and adjusted through time.

And then some gray aliens from another planet/universe we're not aware of yet, but I think they were all Republicans, settled down and mixed themselves up with the existing apes and cavemen and introduced THOUGHT, as we know it, and then everything happened from there.

The white Republicans still try to rule, the mixed up shook up everybody else still tries to fight rule, because we know that only by being natural and true to the earth can we survive, and here we are today.

Only problem is, every time I try to introduce this idea, I'm called ridiculous or racist or liberal or worse.

(Gets back behind the bar and puts The Beatles on)

Well, yeah... of course you're gonna get attacked if you tell 'em Republicans invented THOUGHT!

But what the hell. Imagine the Republicans did. Maaaaaany years ago. What did they have that the rest of us didn't?

And pay attention to the bar willya, Lis? That Aubie's a ne'erdowell, and tonight he's feelin' no fear, so he's snookin' drinks.

Yeah, you're right.

It wasn't the Republicans who introduced THOUGHT, it was the people already here. I was just trying to stir up some shit, like those gray and while alien Republicans always do.

My bad.

Someone very close to me believes that aliens may have been our "founding fathers". I have had many conversations in that regard, and must admit that although I'm not sure of that belief -may disagree - it is a facinating premise.

You forgot the French. Mark Twain said: "Man has descended from the ape and can descend no further, except for the French." Very mean, but not boring.

Damn. Very good one from Mr Clemons.

Got any of your own that you wanna hurl in? There are free points being offered here. Gimme a zinger and it's worth a fiver.

Give you a finger and it's worth what?

Vertical or severed?

From the looks of you better be horizontal and flattened.

Which would make it a.... fin?

Sam is never mean. Or boring.

(sips a timid Light beer)

Good tunes so far.

But, where are the bastids? I'm looking forward to serving them up their drinks and tunes and stuff.

You were smoking dope when you wrote this, weren't you? C'mon, admit it!

You forgot Clearthinker's favorite: what're we gonna do when the oil's ALL GONE? He has an Armageddon in mind, I think.

Nope. No dope. My family/friends always warn me not to - say that my head's already there. They're probably right.

Ok. For points. What'll YOU do Carol, if all the oil for your car is gone. Or unaffordable. Where I work, we HAVE to think about what a government will do IF that happens. If Iran happens, we could see it. Whatcha gonna do? I can use some help on that.

Is "nope" some sort of contraction for "no dope"?

If so, I gotta quit usin' it.

Nope, that is!

Stinky Feat!!

Weellll...sit back and spark up a big doobie?

No, just kidding.

You know, I just spent some time doing a little research on that topic, and I believe that I found our friend Clearthinker's website. He has many practical tips of exactly what we should do.

He points out that it is not just about filling up our cars, it's about our food and every aspects of our economy, which would come to a grinding halt. The site also points out that we won't just one day suddenly not have oil. We are, in fact, on the down side of oil production, and it appears that production is decreasing by about 10% per year. That is having a huge impact on our economy - and we are feeling it, aren't we? It's also argued that all of the great ideas floating around out there for the development of alternative energy won't happen soon enough to stave off the crisis that is coming (and, in fact, we are already experiencing) of the decrease in oil supply).

So, what do we do? Survive. The argument is that as the economy slides, we have to be ready to shift into survival mode.

Sounds like a doomsday scenario. And most people don't want to believe that could happen. But this line of thinking is taken very seriously by many who are well-informed and I think we'd be foolish not to hear it.

And for a bonus, here's a theme song for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mguzKze1sYo

NO!

We go Manhattan on energy's ass! We throw our best scientific minds behind research of any and all alternative energy sources. We built the atomic bomb. We sent men to the moon. We can come up with something that will get us out of this mess.

I'm no fucking engineer. In fact, I'm of the opinion that most engineers use their personalities for birth control. That said, I think there are brilliant minds out there longing for federal funding for projects that are further along than any of us are aware to at least a decent contribution to the solution.

I work at a university that is heavily involved in the conversion of switchgrass to cellulosic ethanol. Recently, they've started investigating something that I think is even more exciting --- effective means to gather the small-branch debris from timber operations and, further, processes for converting that debris to cellulose.

I believe that our universities will prove our energy saviors. Before prices even approached where they are now, the competition for grant monies was fierce in this area. The monies will increase and the competition will, too.

And we'll fix it.

For once and for all.

Within a decade, we'll know where we're going and be well on the way there. And it will be away from oil.

I love you, Aubie.

You are absolutely right. Manhatten Project it is. BUT...whatever they come up with, if the Peak Oil people are correct, won't be sufficient to stave off the ill effects of the oil slide quickly enough. Regardless, we still need to come up with energy alternatives. And quickly. This should have been addressed back when our friend Jimmy Carter first sounded the alarm.

Oh, and LisB, would you mix me a Manhattan, please?

Manhattan clam chowder, or a Manhatten straight up?

Yep.

The dude in the cardigan was soooo right!

And I love you, too! ;-)

I was listening to my almost namesake today. He and Walter were playing Kid Charlemagne:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylr2D4Pwn58

Also read this snippet from an essay, The Last Cars, by Dmitry Orlov:

However, the Singularity did manage prove its worth organizationally, by enabling the swift and universal introduction of so-called “driving plans.” Fuel could no longer be purchased directly, but only by entering into a contract with one of the two remaining oil companies: ExxonMobilShellBP and RosNeftGazProm. A driving plan entitled a driver to obtain a certain number of gallons per month from a set of approved gas stations. Unused gallons became “roll-over gallons,” which could be used during one of the subsequent months, and which eventually expired. A driving contract could be cancelled simply by going to the nearest hospital and donating a kidney – a brilliant arrangement that made cancellations quite rare.

The introduction of driving plans likewise did nothing to improve the situation with regard to the availability of transportation, which by the autumn of 2008 was bordering on the disastrous. To remedy the situation using a quick, Singularity-powered techno-fix, American auto companies teamed up to quickly design and mass-produce much smaller cars. In this, they recruited the help of the Shriners – America’s secret weapon when it comes to small car design. After a kick-off prayer breakfast, the executives and the Shriners poured out into the parking lot, where they torched three effigies of America’s previous failed attempts at small car design: a Ford Pinto, an AMC Gremlin, and a Chevy Vega.

Link: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/

Oh Ghod, Donal. THAT HURT.

Now I have to get in my car and drive home completing a 14 mile round trip.

Because my wife has to pick up my daughter from dance tonight (a 30 mile round trip), I am "on my own," which normally means that I hit the drive-thru at Wendy's. Well, there is a Chipotle on the way. Maybe now I will hit that instead. Fantastic then!

I bought a bus pass last month, but it got lost (we know it is somewhere in the house unless someone threw it away), now maybe I will actually have to start seriously looking for it.

I work in a career (software development) that seems especially amenable to telecommuting, but the prevailing wisdom is that "teams are most effective" when they all sit in one room together. I think gas prices will ultimately cure that theory (if it does not cure my occupation altogether), but I don't welcome it. I kinda liked the feeling of being together with "my team".

I am going to have to rip a few more trees and shrubs out of the back yard if we are going to plant more than a token garden. Now I have to find out where you can get non-hybrid seeds these days (and learn how one goes about harvesting legacy seeds from the food stocks).

Home electric production and non-gas home heating have just move a few nudges closer to the top of my to-do list.

Life was so much easier an hour ago.

Hilarious! There's your answer. Shriner cars. No more road rage (how tough are you gonna get when you're idling next to someone in a Shriner car?). Probably eliminate obesity - consider the practicalities.

What exactly do they run on anyway?

Hey, I'm five foot 10 and I like myself a smaller car. Makes me look like I'm driving a big-ass SUV when I'm actually in my little Saturn station wagon.

My next car is a hybrid. Or a horse.

Horse! Yes! They call it horsepower for a reason, right?

Think about this one Carol. Want one? I do. And I haven't had a car since 1992.

http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/jun2008/id20080616_955452.htm

I love it. It doesn't look much smaller than the Smart Cars that I saw people driving in Italy last year (in fact, I saw one drive past me on 270 this week outside of DC here).

They say they plan to start selling them in 2009. Do you know how much they'll cost?

They're surprisingly big - mid-sized. Larger than a Prius. Word on price is the first ones will be around $30,000. A bit much for a lot of people, but it's early. More'll be coming soon. Especially when it only costs them $10 million to build a plant, rather than the $1 billion you often see for conventional cars. I like the design too....

Nice story. 5 points for Shriners. When I worked in London, I worked for a bit on rubbish. Really. Spent a lot of time with the street-sweepers too. Their little plastic pushcarts caught my eye one day. We designed an electric one, with roll-on, roll-off sacks on it you could put recycling in. In Haringey. Islington. It cut the capital costs by 90%. And worked. then the Boroughs decided to transfer the dustmen (garbage truck guys) to it. Culturally, it was a step down for them. they had no truck, and that was the big bonus for their job - the trucks gave them a higher social status. So, though it spread to 5 or 6 cities, it stalled against that one fact. The social status of the dustmen. How's every American male with a half-ton truck gonna handle limited/no oil?

He's gonna have to find some other way to display his...uh...manhood.

About 4 years ago a classmate of my daughter's was bragging about how he was going to have a Hummer when he grew up. At the time she retorted, "By the time YOU are old enough to drive, you won't be able to afford to put gas in a Hummer!"

Just today my daughter was noting that she had not seen a Hummer on the road for about a year. I asked, "Are you sure?" She said, "Oh yeah, I've been looking." And then she told the story about her classmate, ending with, "Near the end of school last year I asked him if he still wanted a Hummer. He said, 'Hell Yeah! Those things are freakin' awesome! But I'll just keep it parked in the driveway mostly.'" So since then she has been on the lookout for Hummers actually ON THE ROAD, and has not seen one since last July.

Long live the Pinto! The Gremlin took it's own life, and the Vega was married by Elvis. To a Hummer.

Okay, I’ll give number one a shot.

Sorta.

I think it’s quite possible that we may be approaching the dawning of a new political consciousness.

It should be clear to the Republicans that the Age of the Power of Fear is dead on the table. After debilitating losses in November, expect the Republicans to move more to the center. For the most part, the Democrats are currently positioned smack dab in the center, so I’d say we’d see many move a shade left. Ergo, the center moves left. With the emergence of the netroots and its current political make-up (and because young people are, largely because of the war, entering their political lives as Democrats), I’d say we’re in for a slow, steady move by the voting public to the left. The parties --- both parties --- will react to that. At some point, this process will settle on the true center with most members of both parties snuggled quite closely against it. I expect that center to be considerably left of where we are now.

The results? A more progressive national politics defined less by party and more by actual stances on issues. The parties will likely to continue to exist, but the gulf between them will gradually evaporate. We’ll see increased bipartisanship. Real discourse. Real change. Who knows? Maybe even a return of true statesmanship and --- hallelujah! --- leadership!

With the political divide largely bridged, there would be no need for blowhards like Hannity, Limbaugh, etc. Even Olbermann would need to become less of whatever you think he is to survive. And, if we can change the media, we can change the game.

Truly.

Imagine a media that actually sees as part of its role to educate the masses about issues, necessarily driven to do so by the lack of blowhards at either end of a narrowing political spectrum.

Imagine less “Gotcha!” and more “Get it?”

It could happen.

Even sooner than you think.

Cue music!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEOkxRLzBf0

Ok. Assume fear is dead. So the Democrats go where YOU want. And the Republicans join them. And the media. Somewhere beyond left and right. Somewhere out ahead (as the German Greens like to say.)

Give me two things you'd like to see there that aren't even being DISCUSSED at present.

Please go to the Love Shack while considering this.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=T8NhJNpQlsY

After an enjoyable time in the Love Shack, I can report that it's difficult to find issues that haven't been discussed, but there are, I think, solutions that haven't been discussed.

Ergo ...

1. A total restructuring of the public K-12 education system in America. It has always puzzled me that, if you're lucky (and I've not been), you need a lawyer only a couple of times in your life, but every child in America needs a teacher every day for, hopefully, 13 formative years. Yet we expect a high degree of education from our lawyers and a mere four years in moderately effective curricula for our teachers. I propose that we begin to require, at a minimum, a master's degree of every teacher in our public schools (and encourage Ph.D.'s with financial incentives) and we need to evaluate and tweak and adjust the curricula of schools of education in our colleges and universities to ensure we are graduating teachers equipped with tools that will maximize their effectiveness in the classroom. To do so would also require a restructuring of the pay scales of teachers to attract at least some of our best and brightest to what has been at many universities a fall-back field.

2. This one may be a bit controversial. I would like to see the U.S. exert some degree of pressure on Israel to carve out a Palestinian homeland in the Mideast. Again, the issue is not new, but this position would be. Israel cannot protect itself without the help of our military technology. The Palestinians deserve a homeland as much as Israel did in 1948. Let's tie our military aid to Israel to their willingness to site such a homeland and get this done. We win a degree of good will in the Islamic world at a time it is greatly needed. So does Israel. Again, we need to remove the fear that exists among those affected by this stalemate.

Best I can do right now.

I need a drink.

You need this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcOZ6xFxJqg

That video always makes me think of Time Bandits now. Gilliam.

You think fear can die? I don't know. I think we just have to stop making decisions based on it. Obama's got some of it already. Appealing to the opposite of fear. What's the opposite of fear, anyway? Hope? Love? Courage? Something like that. Whatever it is in us that counters fear. Can we reason our way out of fear? I don't think so. Fear is irrational. Have to counter it with something equally irrational. And emotional. Hope. Our better angels, and all that.

Fear never dies. Obama's appealing to us to move beyond it. Two problems. One, it's hard to tell people with words to do this. Better to show, then talk, then show.... FISA stung a lot of people precisely because of this. Canny, maybe. But fearless, no. So he's gonna need to show that he can do it. The other thing, a lot of Obama's backers still fear the fear, and respond in a frightened way. They tense up when attacked. Walking forward with confidence is a different thing. Knowing fear and walking forward anyway, is even better. I get afraid every day. And fear continues to defeat me. I need to raise my game.

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You're bored. So bored, that you write a Phd. paper here then you give people points for their responses to it. That's what's here, yes?

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You're bored. So bored, that you write a Phd. paper here then you give people points for their responses to it. That's what's here, yes?

Hey countman. Yup. Ya got me. After failing the first 3 times, I thought I better test-drive this new thesis before submitting it. Gimme a better thesis, and I'll use it. Hell, I'll give ya a Bag O Points for it. Whaddya got?

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If I had an idea I'd write a post. No soup for me.

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I have an idea. I'll pick a fight with you. It is fight day here, no?

FIGHT BEGINS: You have some nerve. You are brutish. You are dead meat. I stomp on you. I hope that you take this personally.

Ignoramus. I'm BRITISH, not brutish.

And yes, I have some nerve. See if you can find one.

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What does ignoramus mean? Why would assume that I know what it means? How dare you. Stay away from me. Get it?

I like the "stay away from me." It kinda works for me. May have found a nerve there. My essential politeness. Get that quivering, and I'm done for.

But no. I won't. You smell. And so does your little dog.

Beat that.

I think he's too bored to fight.

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Sorry, Quinn fighting you is boring. I'm going to fight this one, you
liar. You said you were from Canada. Don't you care about the feelings of Canadians?

Canadians have no feelings. None that they'll show, at least. Which is why I have to stay on the road.

Now, that said. Canadians DO think they are superior to Americans. No, really. More moral, more polite, more thoughtful. You know their joke. How we only use 10% of our brain cells? And Canada has only 10% as many people as America? That one.

You've just been insulted. Tag.

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I never said that I was an American. Can't you read, you imperialist pig. And now I know why you stay up all night, cause the sun never sets on your sorry Jungle Book Ass.

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Drifter ! Where are you, you commie hobo. Get off the train and fight me. Show up. I command you. And tell Woody Guthrie that the land ain't his.

Jungle Book Ass. Nice burn. But Drifter owes me money. You better hope he doesn't get here. Cause then it's..... ummmmm... (help me out here countman... Wha? Thanks.) 2 to 1. Like I said.

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I don't agree with the count you Count of Bedford, you Lord Nelson, you Benedict Arnold, you Alice in Wonderland pedophile, you boy-toy of the singer now over the hill but still sawing away thinking she's Aretha.

Well, here's Aretha and a former boy-toy (who may or may not think he's Aretha.) Izzat workin' for ya?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuU0cJ_iW8w

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Wassup? Now you're black? I don't need to listen to your b....but I do think I touched a nerve, yes?

It's white guilt.

And, by the by, where did this fucking concept come from? If I understand the hypothesis of white guilt it's that some of us honkies are supporting Obama simply because we want to be part of the election of the first African American as POTUS. And that, theoretically, springs from our suppressed guilt over the way we've, as a race, treated blacks in the past.

Am I right?

Well, that's equine fecal matter.

I have never mistreated an African American in my life. Never. And, frankly, I'm not responsible for what Great Grandaddy Cotton Baron did.

(Fuck me and feed me french fries! I swore I wouldn't rant in here!)

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Are you for real, or do you really have a white sheet in your closet.

No white sheets, not even on my bed.

So I guess that makes me "for real."


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OK. I'm down with it. You're a good, good ol' boy. I dig it. I have a Ford F150. Can't fill that damn thing but once a year. Has two tanks. Maybe I get three miles to the gallon, on the highway. I like to drive by a save-the-earth demonstration here and there.

I don't even consider myself a good ol' boy. Yes, I'm Alabama born and raised. And if you want to sweep me into the stereotypical perception of what that means, then, well, you will, I guess. But you would be oh, so wrong.

And I don't drive an F-150, but I do drive a truck. A Honda Ridgeline. Twenty MPG. Bought it last August and now long for a Civic, but what's a guy to do?

I've been pigeonholed all my life. So, go ahead, assume. Ain't gonna bother me.

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Joking, dude. I've spent many a fine hour in your neck of the woods. And since I'm the one with the F150, looks like I'm the red-neck.

Cool.

Apologies.

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20 per gallon on that rig? Isn't it a 4x4? If so, that's not bad. I love my truck. It's a 96, and six cyls. I drive it now only for hauling, garden stuff, the Home Depot trip. But I really miss just driving it.
Jesus, times have changed. My first car, a used 55 Chevy I bought for $75. Gas was 33 cents.

I'll reply at the bottom of the page.

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Come on! Push this one to the edge of thought. That's what we're here for, right?

What happens when there's not more room for a word to fit on the page? And why are they wasting all of that real estate on the right of the screen? Who's managing this site anyway?

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Yeah. You got me on Boy-Toy. I get it a lot. I'm pretty sensitive.

10 points. Now go try a question, willya?

Talking to yourself?

Hmmmm ...

Dude, I'm disturbed --- well, amused, really --- that you haven't responded to this.

Yours and Countman's posts seem to have a strange temporal pace.

Jes' sayin ...

It was back at countman, who accused me at 9:47 of being a boy-toy or toy-boy or somethin'. Donno why it posted up twice. Does add a nice random factor to things though. Hell, it may show up again and again. Kinda interested to see where it lands!

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dude, did I get the story wrong? You were in love with Annie Lennox or did the French part f... me up. I'm trying to insult her not you. Though she once was good. And what about your sex with Maggie, that wasn't true either? My mind is drifting.....

Drifter ! Show up.

Maggie Thatcher?

Quinn!

You dawg!!!!!

See: further down. 12:30.

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Nasty, that's what I'm saying about quinn. Trying to bring down the high morals at TPM.

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Who told you to take off your clothes near a window? Is that what they do in the Bronx? Girl from it?

Are you talkin' to me? Cause I don't think you can handle it, Mr. Countman.

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Whoa. It's Jenny From The Block. Hey, she can't sing a damn note in tune. She's a complete fraud. Dresses a bit on the skimp also.
So back off street girl. I'll take away your jump rope.

You fucking peeping Tom. You better go and hide. I'm sending my peeps after you. You won't be able to count a damn thing after we're done with you.

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You got peeps? And by the way, how dare you use the F word on TPM. I ban you and your friggin peeps. I live in Manhattan. So I don't have no peeps. I have lawyers. And if I had did have a "peep," his name would be Anthony, Tony for short. Step off.

Step off? You wouldn't know a beatbox from a letter box. And neither would your lawyers.

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Yeah. You're right on that. My lawyers are F...offs. No beats at all.
Only Tony knows the beat-box, if you get my drift. I'm bored now. You're always fun, gftb. And thanks for not speaking in tongues.

Yeah, the boredom has taken over again. Like the humidity on a late summer Bronx night. Let's call that Round One. TO be continued, countman. I'm outa here too. Just put away those binoculars.

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Yeah. This really is the most boring thread ever. No one can wake this thing. Quinn. A bit wordy, dude. Too many posts. Not enough rec's. Lay low at times, or we'll all be bored.

Boring? Seems like the number of comments are the better reflection of the thread than the "rec's". People talking. Isn't that what it's all about, even if they don't seem interested in talking to you?

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Take a lesson in sarcasm.

Thank you SO much for the suggestion. Means the world to me.

And if you don't like it & wanna go postal on me, I'll send you my address & you can come threaten me.

Ooh! I been tryna figure out where to spend a little time this summer for vacation. Maybe I'll check you out! Now, where do you live?? Canada?? (Please, please let it be B.C.--I love the Pacific Northwest!) It's hotter'n hell in my neck of the woods right now. Over 100 degrees F every day.

Your post is very intriguing. I'm kinda thinking about following up on your number 4, but I wanna run my idea past you to make sure I've understood what you're looking for.

Over the last coupla days, I've been absorbed in heated discussions about intolerance--inflicted by both religious zealots and atheists. It occurs to me that there's a great lack of understanding between people who have very different existential/spiritual lives. When this subject is approached, defensiveness kicks in; and our words to each other, instead of sinking into each other consciousness and providing enlightenment, end up bouncing off each other, futilely and wastefully rolling into a huge foul zone that becomes the scrap heap of our wasted time and effort.

The sad part is that offense is served up (often gratuitously) and it is taken, even when no real incompatibility exists between the parties in conflict. The real reason divisions develop and become entrenched is because the parties don't listen to each other. Really listening would require a willingness to throw aside defensiveness. Make oneself vulnerable. But instead we arm ourselves by filling our rhetorical quivers with verbal arrows crafted on the basis of our presumptions of "the other," and we stand ready to shoot them at the first sign that we're being attacked by someone who has malicious intent or uses intellectual or emotional dishonesty.

I have high hopes that the generations to succeed us evolve in the ability to listen fully and develop a skill (yes, I consider it a skill) for deeply understanding people who are very different. What would grow (in our more globalized awareness) is a genuine ability to tolerate, accept, and defend people who have been so mysterious and different for so long. I imagine the younger generations becoming true citizens of the world, who cultivate a confident self-knowledge but avoid self-absorption, and become less self-focused, more other-focused.

So do I need to create a story about this that kinda resembles the Exodus?? Cripes, man! That's a big project! And I guess it would have to be a collaborative effort, too. Right?

I'm trying to wrap my brain around what you envision for a finished product and how you might suggest a workable process.

Sorry, not BC... Most of the clan is in New Scotland these days. And Mass. & Arkansas. & London. etc. But NS is still gorgeous.

Exodus. Ok. Just take the "entering in" idea. You know, that Promised Land that MLK says he saw. Now imagine you had 50 million kids who were gonna go there. Now imagine NO ONE talking at them or preaching at them. Cause our words are all mucked up there. I agree. Especially on religion - impossible to discuss in America these days, what with all the Revs shooting off at the mouth. But what experiences would you help organize, what things do you KNOW would give them the range and depth of feelings they're gonna need?

Here's some background mood music. Ultra sweet pure pop from a band of kids. 19-20. From the East Coast. The nicest pop I've heard in many years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JfbgaEFsgA

Gotta admit it.

Shapeshifting was less boring.

Shape-shifting was great. The absinthe may have helped. And the oil. Sadly, it all ran out. I need ice cream. (Cheaper substitute.)

I like you better when you're not arguing with yourself for the sake of argument. At least not tonight.

There's still oil...

Thank you! I think...

Why are you bored?

Is my post still around? Haven't looked. If so, join me there!

I'm better now.

Soulhat got me groovin'.

(But "Shapeshifting" was a blast!)

Oh, and music. Hmmm. I can't think of anything to enhance a theme or anything.

Here's something I hope you'll really enjoy, though. It's a tune from my absolute favorite local Austin band called Soulhat. (Heh--the accompanying video is unrelated.)

And I'll say just what I want to
Don't pay no attention to Grandma
Got a big ol' long middle finger
Shaped just like a ballpeen hammer!

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Laura, that was some tight tunes, right there! I'm an instant fan!

I'm so glad you liked it!

Yep. Bonecrusher made me an instant Soulhat fan too. For many years, the most popular rock radio station played the "long version" of Bonecrusher every single Friday afternoon at 5 p.m. It was Austin's official start of the weekend.

Soulhat (primary force is Kevin McKinney--songwriter, singer, guitarist) has recorded a lot of great music that pulls from a lot of styles and genres.

Here's a site that has four full-length mp3 recordings from their first record (released when McKinney was only in is early 20s). The two best cuts are "Here," and "Brian Waltz." Amazing work done by someone so young. :-)

http://www.last.fm/music/Soulhat/_/Dirty+Old+Man

Hee hee! I have to tell you...its

"Well I say whatev' I want to,
I don't pay no attention to grammar--
Got a big ol' long middle finger
Shaped just like a ball-peen hammer..."


There's a "lost" verse (not on any CD) that says something like...

"I'm the mighty Bonecrusher, yes I got some class
Took my funky RV to the White House and I parked it up on the grass,
I slipped inside the Oval Office, man I slipped in oh so fast
Grabbed the President by his necktie and I wiped my funky ass..."

LOL!

That's a nice hidden verse!

And, as far as Grandma is concerned, that worked, too, huh? ;-)

Thanks for the turn on.

Are they on iTunes at all?

I'd like to send this one out to that wascally wabbit George W. Bush.

And, LisB, I previewed it, so I'll need a triple. Stat!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTW0y6kazWM

Sorry, I don't thrill no bastids who ae dead on the road, even if I did declare my love for them on anothr thread. That was then, this is now.

Cricket, you're so sometimey. Quinn, you're gonna have to win her all over again. But, ain't she worth it?

Quinn has many houris to placate him. He'll be fine. ;-)

Looked up houris. Seems they're 80 foot tall or so. Nice attributes otherwise. I'm ok up to about 6' 6." After that.... maybe a tad intimidated. You know what guys are like, we worry....

I'm really proud of my vocabulary.

I hate it when I have to look up shit.

So ...

I'm off to dictionary.com!

Yeah. A few days ago I made a comment on a thread that someone said was perspicacious. I had to look the damn word up to see if it was a compliment or a burn.

Don't know that choosing Hillary would show what "change you can believe in" looks like but it sure would be a thrill for the press. The world wide media would love it, those two would get so much attention that the (ultra boring) McCain duo would just get run over.

Should I try to do some more? It's 25 or 6 to 4. But one is the loneliest number that you'll ever know. Me? I'm 32 flavors and then some, including:

Vanilla Ice.
Raspberry Beret.
Strawberry FIelds Forever.
Lime in the Coconut.
Parsley.
Sage.
Rosemary.
Thyme.
Mickey's Monkey.
Watermelon Crawl.
Red, Red Wine.
Flaming Lips.
The Lemon Song.

AND MORE!

See ya at the next post, I hope.

Me,
I'm on the road to Shambala.

See you there?

Ahah oooo oooo ooo oo

Yeahyeahyeahyeahyeah!

Are those flowers in your eyes?

Ouch! I meant to put 'em in my hair!

Three Dog Night sez they belong in your eyes!

Don't blame me!

No, just petals.

Water, water everywhere and not a drop to drink.

I'm dying of thirst...shifting

Can we get this girl a drink or sumpin'?

She's going all Coleridge on us!

Fading again...sigh

Daylight come and I wanna go home-

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It's "daylight come and ME wanna go home." Just checked with Belefonte.

I think Quinn's gone for now. Miss him.

One for the road.

He's late and he was great.

Listen for this line and realize this was recorded in 1976:

Work all day
Still can't pay
The price of gasoline ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44Rwu5yPUrc

Sometimes, Aubie, it's the old songs that make the most sense to some people.

Sometimes, the point gets lost.

Shame, that, but true.

Yeah, you're right.

It wasn't the Republicans who introduced THOUGHT, it was the people already here. I was just trying to stir up some shit, like those gray and while alien Republicans always do.

My bad.

What do ya means no monies after January?

Naw. not gone. Just taking countman's advice. Which, if I can boil it out, was.... Shut The F Up (once in a while.) So, seemed worth a try. It's a heck of a strategy, I'd say. Gotta try it more often. Damn the countman....

If you wander by late, give this a spin. Great song. Video's alright.

"North American Scum" - LCD Soundsystem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieT_lf9wK28

Didja get the Truckers suggestions I sent?

Yes indeed, and thank you mightily. Have obtained a few & teed 'em up. Aftermath USA as we speak. Didja check that Hayes Carll tune yet? Very smart, very liberal, Texas boy. Love "Bad liver & a broken heart." Love the opening. "Arkansas, my head hurts. I'd love to stick around and maybe, make it worse. I got a girl out in Henrietta, and her love's like tornado weather." Best part.... a Canadian wrote it. Which made my brother in Arkansas laugh like hell. It's on the Imeem, I think.

Dude, I'm very familiar with Hayes Carll. Don't know exactly where you're located or if you have XM Radio there, but they have a channel (Channel 12) called X Country and my radio stays tuned there quite a bit. They play Truckers, Hayes Carll, James McMurtry (I posted a youtube of one of his songs somewhere in this thread), Cross Canadian Ragweed (and if you don't know them you need to run to your preferred download site to check 'em out) and lots of good shit.

Anyway, glad I could help. I'll keep in touch and send more stuff that strikes me.

Music's my passion.

Well, my wife, too.

And, by the way, those kids of yours --- I'm assuming they're yours --- are darling.

Tnx fer the tune tips - CC Ragweed I don't know.

Sadly, the twins aren't mine. My baby sister's, In Mass. Love the beasts - got about 20 nieces/nephews now, all over the world. The youngest guy of thre two in the pic was guy born with a cleft palate. 4 tough operations. And HE'S the one who comes up smiling the brightest. Which is an interesting thing about life, eh?

Adversity makes you stronger.

The brightest smile shows the kindest heart. Bless him!

I have dial-up, phone line only. Sick. Old. Way it is. So don't have the lifetimes it takes to watch the video links. Or half the lifetime to do the audio. Odd. I feel like I'm admitting a guilty secret. Please don't judge me!

PS - Good to see ya. Screw countman (bring him on)

Wow, what a bummer about the dial-up! I wish you could listen to the music everyone's linking to...

I wouldn't judge you. You're too kind.

I don't know why quinn would think he needs to shut the f--- up just because countman says so. He said the thread was boring and left, anyway.

Loved the premise!

And the spacesuits!

Reynolds wrap must have skyrocketed 'bout the time of that video!

Ah, yes

Right now I'm listening to, of all people, John Legend. Slow Dance.

Cuz tonight I want to dance...

Like nobody's watching. Dance..

Who cares if anyone's watching?

Back that ass up!

;-)

Jes' for you, LisB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEyWm3UNK1Y

Heh.

Thanks, Aubie. I prefer KC's heartwarming ballad which I can't remember the name of right now. I'm sure, though, that you will find it for me.

I love that about you. (smooch)

KC had a ballad?

And I've been challenged to find it?

Dayum!

countman's messin' with me. Nope and nope. Maggie Thatcher was my most hated person in the 80's. Went back to England late-90's to do my little bit to help undo her nastiness. Annie Lennox frequented the same greasy spoon as I. She hung to herself, or with other famous people, also wanting to be incognito. Nada happened. Nice lady.

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Annie Lennox hanged herself? I'm sorry, man that's tough.

Gotta say, that's funny.

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Funny is as funny does
I'm a jerk just because

Yes you are,
You know you will -

Be the one ,
To sow the swill -

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I like beer I like trucks
I like girls .............

There once was a guy who annoyed me,
Thought it was cute, thought he toy'd me -
Just was his luck, while his thumb he did suck,
In truth he delivered beneath me.

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don't get the last line...sorry

Yes you do. Buck up, try again.

No one goes to bed before we get to 200.

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You've had 200 beers?

About four Maker's Marks, actually.

Two-hundred posts is what I'd like to see us hit.

OK. I started another shapeshifter thread, peyote buttons included. But I haven't paid much attention to it since I've been here, so it will probably die an early death.

For quinn, I'll stick around 'til 200. Let's go!

So you'll have your 24-hour courier bring me a button?

Kewl!

Well, 18-20. And it's fully tricked out. Leather, XM, moon roof ... everything but navigation. I love it. Rides better than any car I ever owned.

But when I bought it, I actually had a fully tricked out (navigation and all) Civic in mind. Then I saw this baby.

Needless to say, the wife was pissed.

But she loves it now.

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I've had a lot of vehicles, and none of them rode better than a truck. Truck is the road. But does the price of gas hold you back on the miles you drive?

Don't have much choice, there.

Live 35 miles --- one-way --- from the office.

Granted, I'm not destitute, but I'm still lobbying for telecommuting.

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It's getting rough. I'm on a bit of a vacation near Chinnook, Washington. People can't afford to drive. The fishing is completely down, all the boats and guides out of work. Can't see how these folks will make it. RV parks are empty. It's time we deal with this gas thing, but it's going to be really hard on the working guy who has built a life in areas where there is no transportation other than cars and trucks. All the industries like fishing, camping, car repair, hunting --or just the poor guy who has to drive to work and can't afford anything but a guzzler. I can get by, but I really feel for people in rural cultures for whom life is going to change. What's going to happen in places like this?

Don't know. It is troubling.

I said somewhere upthread that there's some promise, but no immediate answer. I think we can get where we need to be --- largely oil-free --- quicker than we think. I work at a university that's been working on switchgrass and timber leftovers as sources for cellulosic ethanol. The key is making the process efficient.

It's gonna take a Manhattan Project-like effort. Throw tons of money and our best minds at it and, I believe, we'll be okay sooner than we think.

But that's just a reasonably educated guess. What's not a guess is that we need to totally divorce ourselves from oil.

Totally.

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You're right. But this is some unknown territory coming up now. It looks like a 30's deal to me. It's going down fast for poor people.

See you man. I'm sleeping the good sleep now, and getting ready for a fine morning in the wilderness.

Good place to be, that wilderness. But yeah, I do smell a 30's coming. Which is why I think we all are gonna have to throw up new ideas, ones the media are barely aware of right now, if we're gonna make it. Have a good one.

Yeah, the air smells of depression. Stock plunge today was a downer.

On the bright side, I live in Bumfuck Wilderness, USA, and, as Hank Williams Jr. says, can skin a buck and run a trotline (and live on a lake!).

Right now, we're in good shape, thank to a huge raise recently and being used to living at the former, lesser income. But I may have to depend on those abilities and resources soon.

And we've hit 200.

Nice job!

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The stock market hit 200? Bad times. What's next, four dollar a gallon gas?

Enjoy your wilderness.

I know I will.

I live there!

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HItting the eggs and bacon right now. I wish I didn't like these damn lattes though. Feel like a wimp. When did this latte thing happen to me? Even truckers at truck stops are going all yuppie on coffee. Just does not look right. I miss my truck. Here I am in this great wilderness driving a damn subaru with an Obama sticker. I'd rather drive my truck with an Obama sticker, and a damn American flag to boot. I'm working up to the flag sticker on the Subaru, next to my state park permit. Not into guns. But a truck looks mighty good with the rack. Subaru does not come with that option. Good hunting down there. Cotton mouths. Scary.

This is the story that's not being told, Countman. Life is slowly, but surely, coming to a crashing halt. It only takes a decrease in production, not the complete drying up of the oil supply, to wreak complete havoc on our economic system. And right now, we're only seeing how it impacts on our personal driving habits. We'll soon see the impact on systems that deliver goods to us.

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Carol, You're quite right. The whole economic structure is tottering in ways that are new. I'm thinking that no one knows anything about how to fix it. And that seems scary. Obama will be elected. But I hope that he has some bold ideas on how to deal with what seems to be the worst economic situation since the depression.

I've been ruminating over this all morning. Just thinking about how Big Oil has been screwing us royally for decades - knowing what this was doing to our economy, not caring, pretty much raping the public, not just in the U.S., but globally, and getting disgustingly rich. And when the economy crashes, these bastards - where will they be? Hiding in bunkers? With their wealth safely socked away, waiting out the crisis, while someone else tries to clean up the damage that they've wrought? I'm trying to imagine how the history books will portray this era.

They won't have to hide in bunkers. They'll just pay hoards of hungry people to keep the other barbarians out of their hair.

Welcome to the return of feudalism, everybody!

I just noticed that this is #3 right now on the NYTimes most emailed list, a day after it was published. The print edition blurb is "Who's really the snide elite? W. and Rove or Obama?"

Love her or hate her, the reason this interests me is that she still knows how to spread campaign memes and spin a narrative that really resounds with people (one of the main reasons, mho, that Todd Gitlin has often been on her case in the past, because he knows her stuff spreads fast, and it can help or damage a campaign.)

I don't know how many people know her full history. I've been reading the NYT long enough to remember how she ended up being a columnist. It was by turning her first job at the paper, of an "on the bus" campaign reporter, into a whole new kind of gig. She's one of those responsible for the switch from reporting what the campaigns wanted reported (like in the 'good old days' when reporters tried to help Kennedy maintain his Camelot image) to tattling on what the real poop going on was, she'd tattle on what narratives they were attempting to spin. You can get that kind of info. 24/7 on blogs now, but back then, it was new and unusual, you couldn't get that kind of straight poop on what was going on in campaigns from anyone else. She gets blamed for always doing gossipy horse race, and spinning narratives on that, but the thing is, gossipy horse race is what she has always done and she's never presented herself as doing anything else. If there's no election going on, she does horse race narratives of jockeying for power.

In this one, I suspect she really caught a lot of readers with the "he's not Richie Rich, W. is." Pity she couldn't come up with that one in 2004, put the "guy I'd have a beer with" thing to death.

WHOA!

p.s. Oops I forgot the intro. I make no pretense of the above being "thrilling." Please feel free to snore or ignore if you like. :-)

Dude, your cool.

It's just that we've kind of evolved --- or devolved --- from the original premise.

That kind of came out of nowhere. Especially the part about us being No. 3 on some NYT list!

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Drifter. You never showed up. When you read this, just remember that you and I are no longer friends, OK? And you say you are a real hobo. Pshaw...

Fish on your own, driftwood.

Yeah, driftwood. Whatever.

Thanks folks - for music, and the thoughts, and the patience as I learn this posting business. Hell, I'll even thank countman (ya bastard.) Barefoot, you got yer 200!

But that's goodnight from me. Just fed the dogs. Cheaper transportation than a truck boys, all you need's a little snow!!

No, dude.

Trucks rule!

Goodnight

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Now you're back in Canada? You are most definitely a pseud.

No pseud, dude. Was recently in Mass. Headed West & North of the border after that, which is where I am now. And I spend a lot of time in London. Leaving tomorrow for week's vacation on the Canuck East Coast. Nothing pseud, just crisscrossing a lot.

Once more with feeling, here's the link. Note pic upper left. Niece & nephew on lap. (Feel free to insult the bald dude, not the kids.)

http://www.imeem.com/people/kX4Dhqp/playlist/urTk1HQ-/quinn_the_eskimo_music_playlist/

Not sure why people keep floating that I'm part of another's inner multitudes. Though blue-dude says I'm "fragmented." A fair comment. My language veers around, partly because of the living in different places. Blue says I'm gifted in crap-speak. Which made me laugh. It's been said before.

Hope y'all have a good week.

talk to yourself much?

Yes. Thrilling stuff.

ttym?

Just a lesson in how to say "talk to yourself much" in C-speak. Now, can you answer in C-speak?

Bizarrely, no. As you can see from the formatting of my post. Therefore, most of the crap I speak, I must (and will) own.

"Under the bus," however, must die. I may have to go bunny on it.

quinine, OMG, i had forgotten the usage. the question is this --is it merely overused by people who are brain dead or true crap-speak? I think it becomes real C-Speak as "tutb" in a usage like this:

OMG did u Obama tutb Wright?

Translation:

Oh may god ! Did you see Obama throw Wright under the bus?

Hey quinncy-boy, I don't know ya, never talked to ya, but thanks for the gratuitous insult ya FUNNY bastid. Hugs all 'round. LOVING the affectation, I mean the affection.

Maybe I DID talk to ya & just didn't know it. Seems like you just showed up a few weeks ago knowin' everybody who's anybody in these parts. And riffing on yer pic & singin' the praises of Billy G & Des too. Reminds me of someone. The blue guy. Where'd he go?

Anyway, cool, nice meetin' ya. Guess I won't hold my breath for a beer from ya.

(Ahem. ... In my best Cheech and Chong)

Quinn's not here.

(Emerging from character)

NIce lapels!

Thanks. Nice Cheech and Chong impression.

I tried that one a coupla days ago but no one got it. Maybe I should have reference C&C before I delivered the lines.

Naw, not gamin' ya Genghis. That Imeem (music) link I throw out there from time to time, well... that's me. Fairly plain looking, without the tubes up up nose or yellow stripes. Not sure I look much like the blue guy.

And Des just called me Bomba the Jungle Boy. which - looking it up - seems to be an unpleasantry. Didn't like my dog story I guess. Ahhhh well, just for that, I'm writing another $50 check to Hillary. Vengeance is mine!

That's cool, Billy, see you around I'm sure.

Blue guy has made us forever suspect of new posters. :)

I see blue people...

And you track them down too, to ends of the earth-threads. You don't have me fooled, Hillary of the Beach. You're the smart one.

Okay.

I'm smoking one more ... cigarette ... and then I'm going to bed.

I shall not stick around for 300!

Right there with ya!

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Drifter. Where are you? Now I'm really going fishing and where the f..... are you? Punk. Hobo. Commie. I even had some worms to put on your hook cause I know you don't like that kind of thing, right? Am I wrong, yes? OK. Maybe the Pinkertons got you and you're in a cell. I'm hurt just the same. But you enjoy that, no? Not the same drifter I once knew.

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Hey man. Train got slowed up down the rail. High waters took out the hill. Made our way down to move the rocks. Tough business. Like the ol' days. Good to see people workin' together, no doubt. Rollin up our sleeves, gettin to work. Together. That's the answer, ain't it? Reminds me of my great grand-pappy. Story told down the line was the he made it out of the way of the flood waters just in time. House right on the river, up past the old mills. Then they all got to work. Rolled up their sleeves. No help. No government. Train tracks completely washed out. Nobody could make it in. Reporters took two days to climb over them mountains just to get the story. Think they'd do that today? I dunno. That's what we gotta get back to.

That guy went fishing. He went crazy on this thread calling you out.

Drifto. What's this with the hobo remarks? What did I miss? You kinda sound like you're in the Grapes of Wrath.

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Lot a time to think on those trains. Probably why I live this life. Travelin about. Thinking. Following the lay of the land. This is a beautiful country we live in. I always go back in time when I'm on the road. Thinkin about the men and women that came before me. Livin on the land. They got a lot right. We screwed some of that up tryin to fix things. Got a lot right too, we did. Something got lost on the way, though. A sense of community maybe. Neighbors. You know your neighbors? I used to, back when I was a kid. Not now. Everyone doing their own thing. Trying to make it, I guess.

Smart man, that Joad. Tough times, but a hell of a spirit. Steinbeck knew where we needed to go. Tried to tell us.

Jesus, Drifter. You're making me depressed here. All is not lost, my friend.

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You're a sly thing. I see what you're doing and you won't get over on me. Driftwood, there's a psued-nazi on the thread, careful !

BTW (not sure if you understand crap-speak, drifto) but I heard a story about Steinbeck. After he died, his wife was traveling the world. She'd go into bookstores in different lands looking for translations of Grapes. In Japan, she asked for "The Grapes of Wrath." The booker was confused. Asked for help. Someone came to translate. They worked it out. In Japan that book is called "The Angry Grape." I'm not crap-speaking, hobo (oh...I just got it) you can Wiki that and I bet it comes up.

So, hobo. Right. And the commie thing. That explains "This Land is Your Land."

Well, Quinn, I feel like a party pooper jumping in here to get back to the subject of you post, but something I'd like to discuss at greater length, and have been meaning to yet have not done, is talk about revolutionizing the education system. And get away from talking about it as a way to "compete in the global economy." Lot of stuff there needs to be fixed. Property tax allocation, curricula, teachers, kids, learning. I've got all the ideas, but no credibility. What can I say? I'm a young idealist. They listen to the "experts." Been in the field for so long they forget what its like to be a student. Gotta start listening to those young chaps too. People in those Ivory towers making all the decisions. Teachers that have been in the field so long they can't see a new way. They've got the know. The experience. But they look at solutions as "realistic" vs. not. Fuck it all, I say. Let's lay out our utopian view of what schools should be and make it a reality. Break out of the damn box, rather than work within it.

Ah well, this is my field. And actually, most teachers would tell you that they have no say in policy decisions. But, it's likely a new administration coming in, so it's a great time to construct a new way of thinking. States are sick to death of NCLB. It's been all about accountability for 8 years now. States are bankrupt. Teachers feel like their classrooms and curricula have been drained of content, as a result. I can't imagine that all that's been invested in NCLB will completely disappear with the new administration. But, there's strong motivation out there for new direction. And plenty of policy advocates out there ready to make their voices heard.

My field too. :)
What do you teach?

NCLB will have major changes with the next administration, assuming its Obama, or at least it should.

But that's kind of what I mean - most of the policy advocates aren't the people actually doing the work. The academics spend so much time debating this or that...
Put a couple of them in a room with some education students, new teachers, and the teachers who have actually been teaching for years and don't let them come out till they've figured this thing out. Well, not literally, but you know what I mean.

I don't teach, I'm a policy analyst. Work with the Feds and States on the development and implementation of these policies.

It's interesting to look at exactly how these policies are informed. You're right on that the perspectives of teachers and of the students needs to get in there. You should google and see which groups are getting in there to have their say and who is being represented in those forums.

Overall, I think that the perspectives are pretty well-balanced. BUT, I find that there's a lot of frustration in the field, because it seems that government is so slow to respond to concerns from practitioners. It takes years to develop statutes that reflect what's really happening in the classrooms and then turn those statutes into regulations and see that those regulations are implemented in any meaningful way (channelling the dollars where they will have the kind of impact that they are meant to). By the time any of that happens, the reality in the classroom has often changed substantially.

Hell, Carol. I hope I didn't offend. My apologies, if so.

It is frustration, I guess. I'm in these classrooms and the kids have no time for things other than math and reading. Important, but at what expense? Science? Social studies? A lot of the teachers try to fit them in, but worry about their jobs. Feeding their own kids, I guess.

I guess from my end it seems like there are so many papers and research put out on what works and what doesn't, and in the meantime, we're treading water. Which is why I think the best solution involves all parties. Half the things I want to do mean going back to the drawing board, but the government seems to want to work with what we've got. And you're right about the frustration over the time to implement. So many years lost, so many students passed through that you never get back in the meantime.

Posted this below by accident:

No, no, don't be sorry. I hear these kinds of concerns all the time in doing my job. You're not alone.

This is the real challenge. You have this big pot of Federal dollars that has to filter down to the States and then flow out to the Districts and the Schools in a way that will have positive impact in the classrooms and on the children that are supposed to be served by these policies. But, all of that ends up getting lost in the process. And thus - frustration. The process gets in the way.

And it's not just bureaucracy that causes problems - it's not just that things are slow and government is clumsy in responding to local needs - it's that politics gets in the way of children actually getting their needs met.

Here's the thing, though. And this is why I really love my job. You tend to think of government as being about the people who are elected to office. But, I find that a lot of what really matters in government happens within the agencies. By the bureaucrat who's been there for 30 or 40 years, through administration after administration. Who has his own political views, but keeps in mind his commitment to the children being served, regardless of which Party is in office and what pet legislation they happen to be pushing at the time.

I love it. Watching the Dept of Ed - at the Federal, State, and local levels, do their jobs in the NCLB environment during the last 8 years has been fascinating. And although I know that everyone who really cares about these kids is exhausted and frustrated, it's been really inspiring, too. I can't wait to see what happens under a new administration. Probably not revoluationary - but the change will be interesting to watch.

Just as I was really getting into the groove, watchin the youtubes and diggin' the posting poetry, you all gotta talk about SCHOOL??? What a bummer.

Blair and co. pumped huge amounts of money into the schools there. Then he bought into the measurement schtick. Most of the teachers there are going insane(r) now. In return, they like to publicize how much time they now spend on forms. A form-filling/teaching ratio, I guess.

I had 20 years in schools. And in felt like about every fourth year, I'd learn an incredible amount... often from some savage old Scottish lady who insisted on literacy... followed by 3 years parked on my butt. The young male teachers, when they started to come in, were the worst. They came in for a life of ease & adulation from little kids. The old Scottish ladies? They were awesome, and scary as hell. Old Mrs King, came and literally put her wicked old finger ON my nose, start of Grade Two. Said... you can't read? You're a disgrace. YOU are gonna learn to read by Christmas. (Her finger pressing, with every phrase.) By Grade 5 I had read everything the school had, library and all. She shoulda been cloned.

We all (21 kids on the farm), but one, went on to university, so together we half-covered the English speaking world's campuses. Same story. One in four. It drove us all nuts, even though many went back into teaching.

Yeah. I had a friend who was going to go into teaching because she wanted her summers off. Argh.

The primary problem with accountability, in my view, is that it measures students by comparing them with each other, rather than tracking individual progress. That and it doesn't measure a wide enough swath of abilities.

Every 4 years. Sounds about right. The crazy teachers are always the best. I had this one guy, English teacher senior year of high school. He was a nut. Had narcolepsy too. Used to jump around and scream and wave that yard stick around like a sword when he'd get excited about Chaucer or Beowulf. One of the best.

Yeah, accountability. On the one hand, it has brought about some results, but at what cost? In my job, I'm the one who's crunching the numbers and writing up the reports. But, I'm also a parent and I see how my child's education is short-changed in service of the school's efforts to meet accountability standards.

There will be a reckoning if Obama takes over in January. I imagine that some of NCLB will stay, but there will be an overhaul.

A good point about property tax allocation. Rarely do I see people mention that in discussions outside of the education world.

But yes, to the extent that property taxes fund schools, the schools in the wealthy communities improve while many rural and urban schools are under-funded. Some cope, others do not. This isn't to say that school funding is a guarantee to a good education. Many a brilliant mind was formed outside of the "best" schools.

Some time ago, there was a debate in Vermont about restructuring the school finance system. Property taxes paid to the states and shared among the schools. A big uproar ensued. To be honest, I don't know how that debate ended up.

Are you thrilled yet, quinn? You had better be!

very difficult for Canadians to get a thrill. that's why the quinn is constantly revving himself up, boredom is in his genes (no, don't even think about the other spelling).....but you have to admire that he tries, if a bit too hard at times.

But he has the potential to speak crap-speak at a very high level, and as the historian of that lingo, I'm going to watch him closely. He may get an entire section. Quinn -speak, a lofty C-speak dialect. Origins, Canada, possibly with French influences on structure.

A section? Am honoured. Witha U.

FN. Canadians appear to me to get many thrills. Some appear to involve lakes & rivers. They just have no words to describe them. Therefore, thrill may be gone, or simply gone mute. I am never mistaken for a Canadian. Always, the Southern tribe.

FN?

Footnote

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it takes a village

Damn thrilled. Most important, Laura brought Soulhat in to play. Otherwise, many aliens, motionless cars, teacher-free schools, religions without words, apes, wolves, blue, hymns, hobo's, many things. Much needed additional input. Head in much better, and messier, state. Couldn't absorb any more FISA. Overload.

Nice to see people come in and play. Thanks.

Thanks for opening the playground.

Teacher-free schools. Now you're talking.

School-free teachers. Open the doors, let the kids out, 000's of teachers in the community, in life, teachers to drive, coordinate, inspire. A new kinda teacher. Not saying for all schools, or all the time, but the more the doors open, and the networks of knowledge through our community/world get strengthened, and the kids attached, the better I like it.

Quinn. You just captured in one brief paragraph something about education I've been trying to get at in a much longer thing I'm working on, at present, for myself. Seriously. So much so, that I've copied and pasted your comment at the top of my document so I can go back and remind myself what the hell I'm doing when I lose my way.

Yer all talk, ya bastid! Oh, sure. You're happy to invoke apes and wolves and even dogs, but nary a point anywhere in sight.

What's a cave-dwellin', fire-breathin', whip-slingin', pseudo-mythological demon-beast to do?

Christ on crutches! How did this get HERE"? It was supposed to be HERE.

cascading blueness

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Thanks for leaving me out....quinn. The damn hobo who owes you money makes your list and the countman is a zero?

Naw, countman.... Hell, yours was the only advice I took. Got me to shut up for a while there. Good advice too. But I won't forgive getting insulted, and getting squished into that border over there. I hate borders.

By the way, I still think I won. On points. Go back and count 'em.

Hi there!

No, no, don't be sorry. I hear these kinds of concerns all the time in doing my job. You're not alone.

This is the real challenge. You have this big pot of Federal dollars that has to filter down to the States and then flow out to the Districts and the Schools in a way that will have positive impact in the classrooms and on the children that are supposed to be served by these policies. But, all of that ends up getting lost in the process. And thus - frustration. The process gets in the way.

And it's not just bureaucracy that causes problems - it's not just that things are slow and government is clumsy in responding to local needs - it's that politics gets in the way of children actually getting their needs met.

Here's the thing, though. And this is why I really love my job. You tend to think of government as being about the people who are elected to office. But, I find that a lot of what really matters in government happens within the agencies. By the bureaucrat who's been there for 30 or 40 years, through administration after administration. Who has his own political views, but keeps in mind his commitment to the children being served, regardless of which Party is in office and what pet legislation they happen to be pushing at the time.

I love it. Watching the Dept of Ed - at the Federal, State, and local levels, do their jobs in the NCLB environment during the last 8 years has been fascinating. And although I know that everyone who really cares about these kids is exhausted and frustrated, it's been really inspiring, too. I can't wait to see what happens under a new administration. Probably not revoluationary - but the change will be interesting to watch.

As to number 5.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/the-view-from-unity/index.html

Love that picture. I just don't think you can capture so much excitement in any other pairing. Simple as that.

when you're right you're right.

(but when you're Wright, you're wrong, not)

It's the big play. If he does it, he's a big man. If not, then not so much. Cos if he's afraid of having Hillary close, well... so much for abolishing fear, overcoming division. Shit like Bill's library will splash all over him, question is whether he feels he can roll up his sleeves and start tackling dirty work now, or later... or never.

But it WOULD rock the nation.

And I give HRC enormous credit for the transformation into a working class hero. These two can shape-shift - damn, they're good. Could make McCain & Rove's lives nasty. McCain making wife-beating jokes today re: Gibbons. Flummox him, and the whole dynamic changes. Who wants the Unstable near the levers? And I can't think of anyone who wouldn't be flummoxed if they had Obama, Hillary and Bill smacking them from all sides.

Yep. It'd be so grand. As big a gesture as the entire primary and candidacies of those two. Nothing else can compare.

Come out and announce anyone else and it's just a fizzle compared to that.

I'm with you on #5. And I think people added a #6 - teacher-free schools or school-free teachers. I think that larger discussion would help us put some of the "accountability" and "more funding" debates in a better context. Have you or Carol posted on this stuff before?

I also think #3 is within a range where people should talk about it a bit more. I just wrote this on Jason's post. "If a million bloggers referred to the threat that the Republicans may trigger something before the election, and manage to seed that idea into the wider culture... this might inoculate us. Someone here needs to write about Spain, and how the Madrid bomb, going off just before that election, was handled by the left."

The larger culture change, economic crash and generational stories stuff.... I'd like those discussions to rev up more now, but the immediacy of the election would likely devour them. We'll see.

Thanks for adding to the excitement. I'm feeling better about going on vacation now!

Not enough know-how to write about the Madrid stuff. Been meaning to write about education for ages now, but in the midst of the crazed primary talk, I figured it would have shot straight to the bottom of the bucket, lost in the archives somewhere. Maybe now's the time to go back to it.

Anyway, you've sparked a good conversation here. You'll be missed while you're away, but have a good time!

I've been against it, but I am starting to see a glimmer of a reflection of a small window of hope that it could work.

After all, in 1980 Pappy Bush slammed Reagan mercilessly. He called Reagan's trickle-down "Voodoo Economics"; he did push-ups at his rallies to emphasize how much more young and virile he was; he came damn close to calling Ronnie a trigger-happy cowboy on foreign policy. But Reagan still picked him for Veep. Probably the smartest move he made in the whole race.

Maybe all of Hillary's cheap swipes at Obama won't count against her (or him) that much when she joins the team. It would certainly make it look as though Obama had risen above the bickering. And no one who heard her concession speech can have any doubt that she is willing and able to be a team player.

So, who's number 300...

a Spartan?

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What happened while I was gone? Quinn got excited finally?

See: above, countman. You more than made my list.

And yeah, began to feel some excitement come back into the old bloodstream. FISA drained me. Unhappy however you slice it.

Lotta people seem to be thinking about schools. And I hate schools. So when they got to school-free teachers and teacher-free schools, yup, that worked for me.

Cheers for a week. Count 'em, 8 days off. whoo-hoo!

see comment above, road kill...

C. Still no luck? Want another clue? ;)

yes, please...

The tubes, with respect. The possum got hauled out because of the seal. Hated it. Seal gone? Probably time for the possum too.

That Townshend song I sent a while back. If I should swallow anything poison.... Thus, the original tubes. And other reasons.

Get a life? Yes. Headed back to the source. You'd like it blue guy. Eagles by the dozen. Sandpipers by the dozen dozen dozen. Group minds - but with less fragmentation. Grey, silver, invisible, grey, silver, invisible. Sit long enough, and they fly inches from your ears. In your ears. A million wings, blowing in. Home of the 'Cajuns. Their home port. Where Glooscap rules.

I have no doubt about Des, even without having seen the history. Voltage. Would love to see the full chimp.

And if you see Billy, tell him it was he that caught my eye. I'm blind and deaf to much, but not dumb. Tell him to wander back sometime.

We've been trying to get Glad to get his eyes back for some time. He's in another space now. You should tell him yourself. Take a lesson from it, though. It's not a matter of just the pic (although in Des's case, the pic alone is a myth) it's the matching of the pic to the words. When it works right, it's a play, dude, a thing of art in which both fun and political thought flourish. Like this thread. That is what makes TPM interesting, and from my view, I'm guessing so attractive. Let's say you're a publisher and you want to sell your book, and you're looking around for something hot to catch the eyes. Heck, quinny, Des was the hottest damn thing on any political site. And it's about keeping eyes on the site, and not clicking away. You're one of a few characters with enough broad knowledge and smarts and quips to bring these long threads off. But you can't do it every day.

But you can have a good run at it. Right now, Quinny's the bomb and I should know, but it's also more fun in tag teams, hard to maintain that explosive energy if you know what I mean. Anyway, I'll be back but will leave a cypher, a pet armadillo and a huge bar tab. Don't forget to feed the 'dillo - they turn surprisingly vicious when hungry.

tag teaming....sometimes needs a whole cast.

ttym?

Cage match would be nice. Battle Royale.

I wanna be Mad Dog Vachon.

i'm guessing a wrestler or a contortionist?

Wrestler. Greatest heel of the 60's & 70's. Ex-Olympian, only 5' 9" - but an imagination way ahead of everyone else. Drama. The boogeyman of childhood - and most beloved. Crazy, magnetic, noble. Wiki gives him a fitting review:

“Mad Dog” Vachon developed a reputation as the most feared rulebreaker in all of wrestling... His innovative portrayal of a snarling, bloodthirsty monster would inspire a myriad of future “psychotic” wrestlers... Vachon's tendency to hurt his opponents with foreign objects, filed fingernails, and his signature finishing move, "The Piledriver", made him notorious in the business and caused him to be banned in three U.S. states... But it also made his popularity soar among the fans, including his future wife Kathie Joe, whom he met after spitting a shoe string he had used for choking his opponent at her, as she was sitting in the audience... He ironically left the sport as one its most beloved fan favorites after spending almost his entire career as a sadistic villain... Upon retiring, Vachon settled at his wife's home town of Omaha, Nebraska, but tragedy struck in 1987 when Vachon was hit by a hit-and-run driver, resulting in the forced amputation of his leg.... Nevertheless, Vachon has persevered, and has since become restaurant critic... At a WWF pay-per-view in Omaha, he was sitting in the front row near ringside, when wrestler Diesel ripped Vachon's artificial leg off and used as a weapon.

dude, I'm going to eat, but I started up at the des post, and we should head over there....movies, politics....

see you in a bit

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Everybody left? How come no one around here stays in threads more than a day or so?

Soon as you build up the city, everyone flees.

How can you not appreciate the irony of a guy named "Drifter" bemoaning the fact that people don't ever stay in the same place?

awesome, balrog.

they should frame that as a finale to this whole thing.

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