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I'm Bored. Thrill Me, Ya Bastids.
Yep. I'm bored. Here's why. As I wander the
tables in this fine TPM establishment, coyotes in tow, I see & hear some
wonderful things. Witty (even Des got in a good one there the other night.)
Insightful & Historical (See: y'all on FISA.) I get to be surprised by
people's (oft well-cloaked) humanity (that's you, Vlad, you ole Draco you.) I
get offered drinks & music & riddles (you know who you are.) Plus, I
get to watch some great scraps - TV got nothin' that can compete with our own
Itchy & Scratchy.
And with all that, how could I be bored? Well. Boredom's a funny thing - it's relative. Y'see, it's often them waggly lil lines of conversation, the ones that tangent over toward that border on the right (damn that border) & the ones plunked down at the bottom, late at night, that I like best. Now, some of you will say, "Oh. But quinn esq, that's life." Well, shut up, you lot. You're scum, and disruptive.
It NEEDN'T be that way, life on the margins. (And yes, I go all CAPS when I lean on a word, 'cos damned if I know how to work this incredibly complex, nuanced software.) Anyway... What I'd most like is if some of the comments raised off on the edge were followed up. Direct-like. In posts that started where it was important. That way, we could start with something that made our brains work, and our wits tingle. At their ends. (Wits. End. Ahh screw it.) And then, as we worked at it, we'd find new tangents. Which became even more interesting & more fun. And yes, your marriage would suffer & your income plummet. Get over it.
And love 'im or loathe 'im, that's why Billy G plays here. Cos he's got a big bad brain. Multiple brains (and perhaps, voices.) Cool, says I. The day I'm outgunned in a battle of wits is the day I.... ummmm... yeah. (Piss off, I'm thinking. Witty riposte to follow.) What I was saying is that I suspect Billy - like a batch of you (no, not you Genghis) - are bloody brilliant people. Or thoughtful. Or deep. Or good for free drinks. What are we afraid of?
We all agree already, that we're part of a culture that's dumbed us down. But JC-On-A-Spoon, why not imagine Colbert & Stewart as our starting point? Let's create something THEY'D enjoy.
I'll start with my fellow Obama-backers. We won, so we can most afford a kick in the 'nauts, right? Hello? WTF is it with us anyway? Here's Barack, out there for months, saying, "Ummmm.... This isn't about me. It's about ALL of us." Makin' speeches about having DIFFERENT kinds of conversations, he is. About how the old lines & divisions have to be ERASED. Well (quiet for a minute Des, no cheap shots), how about we PAY A LI'L BLOODY ATTENTION to the dude? Cos when he says, "It's about ALL of us," this does not mean, "Shut up, I'm the only one that gets to talk/think/breathe til November." You wanna BE the change? Well then, ACT it. Neither is it a "different" conversation to say, "Rove is berry bad mans." Nor will old lines get erased with ever-so-winning remarks like "Get over it."
We need to raise our game. We know it, Obama says it. And the world, the times & our children demand it. (Hey... I like that! Except for that "children" bit. Friggin' kids, they demand too much as it is. Lil bastards. Let 'em screw up their OWN world, then they can talk.)
We need to raise our game. I said it before, and I was mad. But tonight, I'm sayin' it again. Because I mean it. Now. I'm gonna go out on a limb, knowing damn well Billy (and/or rabbit-dude) is snickering back there with his saw - and offer up some suggested topics. Mock on, mock on, but here's what interests ME. What I do not find boring. How I think we can raise our game. My starting 5. Add your own. Or else.
1. How to BREAK OPEN a culture of fear, division, selfishness, hyper-nationalism. No, I did not say shout at it. Imagine that the next 4 months saw a cultural opening, a blossoming, with a political edge. What would that look like? Because a politician, no matter how good, cannot do much more than signal that things might be different. So what's it to be... A simultaneous, nation-wide set of concerts, where everyone ends up singing "One?" A million dada'ist moments, pasted on the supermarket walls? Handmade billboards on a million lawns, each with their own message of what change looks like to you? If the culture does not change, neither BO nor HRC is gonna be able to do more than hold our worst fears at bay.
2. Obama and the Democrats are gonna be BROKE come next January. Take my word for it. I'm a shit-hot economist in real-life. And they won't be just a little broke either. Oh. And so will the American economy. And you and me. Now. How's that gonna be dealt with? Start by imagining that yes, we have no money. None of us. Not the guvmint, not you and me. Be creative. We've got trillions tied up in wasted real estate and floorspace, horsepower that we can't feed. Fix it. GIT GOIN'!
3. Assume the Republicans do not gently go down to this 40 years a'comin' defeat. Imagine an October Surprise. Look past the smears of the campaign unfolding. Now, INOCULATE the population against that. Some of you think this is far fetched. I think we can set up a play area somewhere in here to keep you amused while the demented few (with a goddamn clue) ponder this.
4. A generational story. Only this time, a story that doesn't start with totally bogus "labels" like Boomer and X etc. Let's start somewhere sensible. With a myth (which means "big story," not a "bald lie" for those of you not paying attention in Theology class.) Billy likes the Greek story. Obamabauts. But I'm gonna float another, cos I was raised Baptist - The Exodus. (And no, please don't bring Israel post-'48 issues into this. I'm talking MYTH, ok?) The children of Egypt, enslaved, rebel & make a run for it. Face 40 years in the wilderness. There were sacrifices & whole new dreams back there in '68. But these wilderness years.... well, they've thrown up a lotta grumbling. A lot of people turned back to the fleshpots, or over to the Golden Calf. Too damned AFRAID to enter into anywhere new. And so a whole new generation of children had to be born, and raised up under new conditions, to get rid of the fear that blocked us from "entering in." But as a people, they learned to reject the old idols, old models of "Kings." They made up new agreements, new understandings. A dozen "tribes" formed, movements, engaging with other slaves, exiles, wanderers... even women! Tis a grand story (and let's not bother with Leviticus fights, ok?) Argue.
5. Tell me why choosing Hillary as VP, overcoming all bitterness, would do more to PROVE to America that BO means what he says about overcoming old divisions, show what "Change We Can Believe In" looks like and prove himself worthy of trust, than anything else he can tangibly DO in 4 months. (And yes, I have heard some of you don't like her. Me neither. I don't "like" her. But bugger off. Hating is boring. "Big Change" may not look like you think.)
That's yer assignment. And I WILL throw your ass outta here if you revert. And if you don't like it & wanna go postal on me, I'll send you my address & you can come threaten me. (Disclosure: I grew up on a farm with 16 boys. I look forward to opening some Yes We Can on yer sorry ass. I'm frightening. And that's just the hair.)
So come on. Bring it, TPM'ers. Thrill me, damn you. Mess with my head. And bring music, willya?



Comments (349)
Sorry, I couldn't finish your post. I got bored. :(
June 26, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Naaaaaasty. That's gotta be worth 3 points.
June 26, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Welcome back! Missed your profile.
June 27, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
And will SOMEONE that wanders in please hit that freakin' RECOMMENDED button? Otherwise.... I end up in archive hell in about 20 minutes. Not askin'..... beggin'.
June 26, 2008 9:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come ON people! 99 comments and 8 rec's? Shameful. Hit he damned button already!
June 26, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
For the moment, I have another Shapeshifter blog. What do you think?
June 27, 2008 2:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like blog pimping as usual - next thing you know you'll be asking us to pay off your blog debts. Rec'd anyway - it's the Baptist in me coming out, helping out a brutha.
June 27, 2008 1:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Though really should have held out for 4 or 5 more refrains of Amazing Grace while the plate goes around and around.
June 27, 2008 1:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
... that saved a wretch, like meeeeee.... all together now brethren & cistern.....
June 27, 2008 2:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
So many songs, so little time.
June 27, 2008 2:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
We've no less days to sing God's praise than when we've first begun.
What do you mean, so little time?
June 27, 2008 2:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Smaller picture. Saving the post - limited time.
June 27, 2008 2:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
chimpo, id of the ether and particles reconstituted. You slip across time, a being beyond mere form. Conquer these heathens, you ape on high and human so low, your fragile id in Kali's flow. Devour the world, Des, it's time.
June 27, 2008 2:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
welcome blue. i believe des has just passed through. seems to have mistaken me for a mister "bomba the jungle boy." i looked him up - unpleasant fellow. perhaps des continues the hunt for this miscreant. you can continue your hunt here, but i fear the thrill is gone, and boredom returned.
June 27, 2008 3:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Make your own thrills then. I hear they think you might be me. That's crap-think. I have to work at chaos whereas your natural manner is total fragmentation. You looked a lot more edgy in blue. What happened? The literal is so not happening. I noticed in your utterances now a certain gift for unusual forms of crap-speak. You're a kind of elevated crapper. I'm working on my crap-speak dictionary. Serve up any new idiot-grams if you might. You'll be in the poet's section. Post less. Get more. Go short. Get long. Yell trash. Sing song. Too many words, get gone. Just being a friend.
June 27, 2008 8:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
If whirling fragments are contained, great power. If fail, craptacular. These alternate in this sphere... Advices received, but hard-drive badly damaged. Concussion grenade... Happy to contribute to dictionary. Pls accept for submission your friend's phrase, "under the bus." Credit me not. These words irritate the fragments. Pls contain within " "... Don't work too hard at the chaos. Natural dementia has its virtues... Friendship accepted. Fights will be worse... Today is a good day to die.
June 27, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have no idea what you are talking about. See, you are the master of chaos. Or this is a lingo I do not understand.
June 27, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL.
June 27, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Devouring the world pixel by pixel but in fast motion. Will then jump across a ravine and regurgitate it on the other side. Only problem is the ravine is wide, and may take a long time to ford otherwise. The universe will just have to stand still.
June 27, 2008 8:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
But if it does stand still, will the dark matter overtake Stephen Hawking on his race to the edge of the expansion? Me head hurts now, chimpy. I only asked that you devour the world, not fuck with the cosmos.
June 27, 2008 8:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Close the gap - raven the ravine.
June 27, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
raven the revine?
Canadian poetry.......thrilling !
June 27, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is no poetry in Canada. Or beyond.
Was sad that I could not lure Des the Devourer over. Was otherwise engaged, stopping by only to speak of the ravine problem." Had hoped to see the Devourer in full flight, eating, regurgitating... New creation. Sadly, that now must wait. Received only a lesson on wolves & dogs. This is not the Destroyer.
June 27, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
the chimp comes and goes...he wouldn't be the chimp if you could count on him. but quinny, I can see you're at the crossroads here, you have some power, but you be wondering what to do with it, and what it means...
do people respect you, or are you just another pretty road.
First, off. You wouldn't have made a ripple here without that first pic, and everyone posting here is imagining you as that funky face. Bring it back. Without it, the power you do have will fade. Ideas match the pic. Your lingo doesn't match your road.
Second. What you bring here is energy. This place is so tired of itself it can't keep going. With Obama beating Hillary, there is nothing going on here that merits a great effort. It's the energy dude.
Next. Having put up some energy grabbers, now people want you to carry them....hey, there's quinny...let's get hot.
In fact, seems like you're already get that.
Advice from the Blue Guy. Stay off a bit. You must have a life. Come back when this place is dying (that will be in three days) with endless block quotes and lists and confessionals. Ya got your fans.
Listen, concerning pics. I'm not sure how long you've been watching this place, but if the chimp ever brings back his id-thing he will rule like God on HIgh...I think he's working on a new one, personally. And that's why we don't see him.
That's my advice, quinine. Whenever I talk to des, i see the chimp id, and the cosmos. The most interesting thing I've ever seen at this dump, and it didn't take a single word to make that so.
June 27, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, just to jump in on one specific thing. I agree about the avatar. Your first one is definitely what grabbed people's attention, if only because they thought you were the other blue guy at first.
Interesting psychological phenomenon, the effects of those avatars. Play a bigger role than many realize. Good and bad, I guess. Before I got one, I wanted something vaguely ironic and amusing, couldn't find it, grabbed this one meaning for it to be temporary, and now it would feel weird to change it.
June 27, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
and you'd break many a heart, beach girl.
June 27, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting. Are we less inclined to read a post of, or respond to, those with no avatar?
June 27, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chimp has been distracted, has to walk a bit, canary in a coal mine. Sorry to let you down, will try to make up for it.
June 27, 2008 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
(Jumps in)
Okay, I brought the music. You've got your choice between The Clash, and their bassist Paul Simonon with a newer band called, apparently, The Good The Bad and The Queen.
Also, I've brought a beer tap, dozens of bottles of liquor, glasses, ice, and a fun sense of humor.
So.
(Jumps behind bar)
I'm bartender for the night, and I'll start with giving you your drink of choice, while I drink mine, and give you this to get the music crowd worked up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKvCEUJfQA4
I love this song.
Drinks, here, ya bastids!! Free drinks here!!
June 26, 2008 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like it. Cool vid. Clash + Verve +Blur + Sufis. 4 points (music gets more points that wit here.)
Here's something from the same place. Afro Celt Sound System. With Peter Gabriel. Sound isn't great, but this is the original vid, which they had to can, as it was shot just before 9/11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em7bk_McVHU
Afro Celts, baby!
June 26, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I really, really liked that!
Peter Gabriel is such a creative genius.
Marvelous.
June 26, 2008 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ooh, I love being called a bastid. And then being served a drink.
Aaaaahhh.
June 26, 2008 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Baby got back! I cannot lie, you other brothers can't deny -
You've entered the twilight zone...another diminsion in the space time (HOW DO YOU SPELL THIS WORD here).
Be afraid, be very afraid. We should all be. Mothers, fathers, childless type A personalities, Lazyboy lovers (hmmm..an image appears), boys in boxers, ladies in lace, boys and girls in lace boxers, cardboard box home owners, old, young, ancient babies, baby seals, fat people, skinny bloggers who forget to eat, tall types, short shits, medium middle-of-the roadkill, rich, poor, white as trash, black as tar, think I may have gone too far...
McCain might win in November. Just imagine that.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
June 26, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now yer talkin'! 7 points. Just for the Lazyboy lovers. But you lost 3 for the fear. Look at these guys. Frightened Rabbit. Glaswegian. Smart. And singing about death, to kindergarden kids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBcbDS5AGnk&eurl=http://hearsay.alphaquam.com/2008/02/25/head-rolls-off-with-kids/
Go on. Make me unafraid. I dare ya.
June 26, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
"When my blood stops, someone else's will not.
When my head rolls off, someone else's will turn.
You can mark my words, I'll make tiny changes to Earth.
While I'm alive, I'll make tiny changes to Earth."
June 26, 2008 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Through my thoughts, I know them.
With my words, I respond to them.
Through my touch, I heal them.
With my deeds, I show them.
Through my belief, I love them.
They are me.
June 26, 2008 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am strong, I am invincible, I am woman!
That's not fair. 3 points? But the Lazyboy lovers! Oh, bother.
Barak Obama is an intelligent, honorable man with a keen sense of who he is. He is "comfortable in his own skin" (as opposed to someone else's, ick), has a calm mentality and a smooth grace. Barak Obama does not pander (much, ok?), does not lie, does not talk down to the American people like we are but sheep. OK, he lies. Name one person living or dead since Adam and Eve who has not. Anyway - Barak Obama knows how to win this election. It's something he has had mapped out in his brilliant mind for a very long time. It's like a long complex puzzle with hidden pieces and stumbling blocks that he has already overcome. He is already thinking about his Presidency, probably his second term. That's why the whole FISA thing is overblown. He has a plan for the future, he visualizes it. His and ours. I want this man as my President. This man WILL BE my President. And on behalf of the Lazyboy lovers everywhere - Amen to that!
So, do I get my freaking points back?
June 26, 2008 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
You get 1/2 the points back. (Keep score, willya?) You get the other 1/2 if you tell me the biggest lie Obama MIGHT be telling, that would totally freak you out. Make you afraid. He's the Bogey-Man. What lie is he telling?
June 26, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
7 - 3 + 1.5 = Current score 5.5
I want my full 7.
That he actually believes and supports everything Rev. Wright "stands for" - serious shutter. Chills, sweats. Might pass out.
Lis, help. Give me a Long Island Iced Tea. Pronto!
June 26, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope, you got the full 3 back already - below - for beating Balrog to the button. The 1/2 of the 3 you also got back. Surging ahead.
But why was Wright so scary? I was raised Baptist. and my Ministers were 1/2 wonderful (smuggled Jews out of Europe and into England during WW2) and 1/2 complete nutbars.
Tell me what Wright said that would scare you if Obama said it.
June 26, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am thankful to God that I cannot quote Wright. I listened to, and watched in full, his speech before the NAACP. Prior to the one that finally so offended Obama. And rightfully so. Yet, as I watched it, I actually laughed out loud several times! The parts about how our accents affect our words, using Kennedy and others as examples, was funny to me. I didn't see it as horribly as others. It depends on your mindset going in, I suppose. As with most things.
Then he began to speak about how the black child thinks a different way. Learns with a different side of the brain. He lost me there. It was no longer amusing. Need I spell out why?
So, to answer your brief question with a rediculously long answer ( I should never type and think at the same time ) - I don't have a quote or two. Just a really heavy heart.
Thanks for the hypothetical depresion.
June 26, 2008 9:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
PS - add an s
June 26, 2008 9:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I liked what Wright said about how Empires have come and gone, and every time, their governments turn THEMSELVES into God. And God apparently doesn't like it. So He "damns" them. That's what led up to that God Damn America thing that got repeated. I've heard that said lots of times. Especially since the War started. Overseas AND in America, with white Americans. Would it make you afraid of Obama if he worried that America might be in for an awful come-uppance? And that he might be running to try and avoid that fate?
June 26, 2008 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
No. There were many things Wright said with which I agreed, in theory. Including the GD America. We do as a country put ourselves out there as holier than thou, which if you have a faith based ideology is blasphemis. Lord, (no pun intended) did I spell that right?
But he is extreme. Goes to far, by far to continue the separation of races. And that is the opposite of what Barak Obama is trying to do. And that is that on Wright.
June 26, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
This Wright guy can't catch a break. Ya can't win for trying. Never pays to talk the truth, does it?
June 27, 2008 12:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Snuck up on me. Kudo's.
This Wright guy can't catch a break. Ya can't win for trying. Never pays to talk the truth, does it?
He's been paid quite a bit, I hear. But hasn't won yet. BYW, what's he try'n to win, friend?
June 27, 2008 1:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'll throw down with you Numbers Guy. I dig the Wright. That first week the 'nauts were like "oh, he's just speaking the truth, and wasn't that Bill Moyers Show just SO special." Once Obama dumped him, the 'nauts got all lock-stepped and demonized the dude. Ya know, it kinda reminds me of something. That year when the reds
cozied up to Hitler cause Stalin told them to. Christ in a bunny basket. The 'nauts are Stalinists." Billy's right. Row the boat you mind slaves.
June 27, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
The problem is trying to boil down any one person or any relationship to a simplistic mindset is impossible. To even try to understand Wright or the relationship between Obama and Wright, you have to be willing to do nuance. Media doesn't do that. Too many don't.
And as to Wright's "extreme" views. Why does it have to be that Obama either holds the same views or complete opposite ones? Sometimes, the people we meet in our lives who take extreme positions or say audacious things are the ones who provoke the most thought. It's obviously the case that Wright helped shape who Obama is, as all the people in our lives do. Doesn't mean you entirely agree with them or don't. But they push us to new ways of thought.
June 27, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're the smart one here, kiddo, and nuance is what's called for, as is history and understanding. You're not with the 'nauts, though you're too respectful to say so. Like me, you're for Obama all the way, but not rowing in the lock-step. Shallow journalism and shallow history has brought us to the Wright demonization. The Obamas were at that church for years. There had to be something good there, and honest, and something that helped inspire Obama. History will get it right. Just not now.
June 27, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently, I get left behind on the beach...
Will history get it right? I sure hope so. Have we so far? History books a lot different than when I was a kid. Who gets to tell the history? Hopefully, there's always some person willing to tell their story. Keep telling it. So we don't forget.
That's always the rub, I guess. We get the stories, but forget that you can't separate the story from the storyteller.
June 27, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
tell me about it, beach girl. I'm blue-listed and may have to write under a pseud.
June 27, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to hard to outrace the BalRog. The BalRog is not about speed. The BalRog is about PAAAAAAAIN.
June 27, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
is that an airplane or a trumpet flying at your head?
June 27, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
A sailplane. Below and waaaay behind me. Suspended from the ceiling.
June 27, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hi, BalDog!
June 27, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm feelin' mellow.
Move me, Jeff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AratTMGrHaQ
And I'm bettin' more people play on number 4 than any other.
Me?
I'm thinkin'.
Listenin'.
Groovin'!
June 26, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Zzzzzzzzzz......wh....Wha??
Ack! Too mellow!
June 26, 2008 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aw, but it's a killer tune!
(Maybe you have to be high to get the full effect. Some people tell me that, anyway.)
June 26, 2008 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shoulda gone with Mojo Pin... nobody snoozes after the climax.
June 27, 2008 3:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for that. There's a mythic figure for the 90's. to be that great, and to just walk into the river and drown. Music playing on the beach. Honest to God, it broke my heart. I want Buckley back.
June 27, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alright, we have some music & drink. Next one in, tackle one of those 5 things willya? Or make up a 6th. Something you really REALLY wanna talk about, and think we should be talking about daily. No not a pet "issue." Something that messes your head up.
Extra points.
June 26, 2008 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
If we are decended from apes, why are there still apes? Doesn't evolution mean the original changes into something else? Just ask'n, been messing uo my head for awhile -
June 26, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
uo = up
Wow, Lis, you're quite a bartender! Hiccup
June 26, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because we are NOT "descended from apes". We and apes are both descended from common ancestors that, admittedly, were more "ape"-like than "people"-like.
But even so, under the right conditions, SOME of a population of one species can evolve into something else while the rest of the population stays the same, or close enough to the same that no one can tell the difference.
We now rejoin "politics", already in progress.
June 26, 2008 8:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
So what do we call our more "ape"-like than "people"-like ancestors? Just wondering, I'm working on a family tree.
June 26, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
It varies. You know. Gramma. Grampa. Great-aunt Ogg. Whatever.
June 26, 2008 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or you could just call 'em all "Hairy".
June 26, 2008 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
;)
June 26, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awesome. Louis Prima.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX_7DmnAp_E
Balrog. You say, "But even so, under the right conditions, SOME of a population of one species can evolve into something else while the rest of the population stays the same." Please describe the conditions under which we can evolve differently.
barefoot. If you get here first, I'll give you your 3 points back.
Deal?
June 26, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
And this video (above), from the Jungle Book... is REQUIRED viewing. For all of you. Watch Baloo. He got the moves.
June 26, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Balrog - Are you the something else or the rest of the population? I have an idea...
June 26, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
First one back. 3 points. Yesssss. Have a drink. then tell me why Balrog is something more than the rest of the population. Make it up. Be kind.
June 26, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not something more, something ELSE.
He may have taken the wind out of my sails by "answering" the question himself. The population of grey wolves stayed the same, but those few that wandered out, seperated themselves from the population, became dogs. Average, ordinary dogs. While the rest remained grey wolves.
By his own analogy, his is a dog.
June 26, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm okay with that. I like dogs.
And, if slavish obedience doesn't invalidate a life, you would have to admit that dogs have been a whole lot more successful over the years than grey wolves.
June 26, 2008 9:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have a copy of this video in my personal library.
I love it.
June 26, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dogs are widely considered a separate species from the grey wolf. But their DNA is virtually identical.
HYPOTHESIS: Some, but only relatively few, grey wolves learned to interact with humans. They thus separated themselves from the wolf population at large, and, over much, much, much time evolved into "dogs", while the grey wolves that did not interact with humans stayed the same (or so close to it that we can't tell the difference).
I may be misremembering the details of the hypothesis, or even how seriously biologists regard it, but you were only asking for a "f'r'instance" and that is the best one I know.
June 26, 2008 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd take "dog" as a high compliment, Balrog! From the ages of 1-5, I was raised separate from my family, in a little ole house, down in the woods by a stream, by an elderly retired couple. Plus a German Shepherd, with whom I spent every waking hour. People laugh, but the family joke is that I was raised by wolves (i.e. dogs.)
Tell me. With wolf populations declining, and dogs being one of the most successful populations on Earth, which ones made the right call? And if you choose "dog", and we make America's old ways are the equivalent of the wolf, what should we do now?
June 26, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Wolf populations are declining". Right. During the 1500's, Indian populations declined. During the 1800's, buffalo populations declined. Had something to do with being hunted down and exterminated, but if you put it in the passive, it always sounds quaint.
Dogs learned to suck up to humans perhaps 100 thousand years ago. Mutually beneficial - they had good sense of smell and were warm to snuggle against and we stopped eating them so much.
Now we're heading into A Boy and his Dog territory - Post-Apocalyptus (I used to think this was a plant). And Bomba the Jungle Boy is going to lead us out with his pack of werewolves. Lead on, esquimaut, lead on.
June 27, 2008 2:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wandering?
June 27, 2008 2:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Surviving. Scavaging. Living.
June 27, 2008 2:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
sorry for the passive tense. won't happen again. we killed the wolves. dogs figured a different way out. points to the dogs perhaps. i donno. maybe the wolves left enjoy their wolving.
bomba? not much there to be enjoyed. maybe you know another bomba, and have mistaken me. i believe so.
and my apologies if the "got in a good one" comment came off wrong. you know as well as i that in my short term here, you've gotten off a few hundred good ones des. i suspect everyone else knows you do as well. but again, apologies if this came out in ways i didn't intend.
June 27, 2008 3:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not even sure what it referred to, but the idea is to blog fast and furious and take no casualties, the occasional "mea culpa, sorry I took your head off, it'll get better", but at no time express regrets.
June 27, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
noted. and regretted.
June 27, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've erased whole metros from maps, turned cities into dust. What time have I for regrets? I've had a few, too few to mention. Time takes a cigarette, puts it in your mouth. Pulls on your finger, then another, then your cigarette. The wall-to-wall is calling, it lingers, then you forget. Then a 20 kiloton explosion slams you against what would have been a wall before it melted and you lose your train of thought. Oh oh, oh oh oh - you're a thermonuclear suicide.
June 27, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
You now have a soft spot in my heart, BalDog.
June 26, 2008 9:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Woof! [pant][pant][pant] Woo-oo-oof!
June 27, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, here's my theory. Ready?
All natural stuff happened here, by accident, after mud and stars slammed around and settled for millions and billions of years. And all natural creatures started to form out of the cells left swimming in calm, gentle pools, stirred up by the winds and the burning planet we call the sun.
And these natural things grew and developed and adjusted through time.
And then some gray aliens from another planet/universe we're not aware of yet, but I think they were all Republicans, settled down and mixed themselves up with the existing apes and cavemen and introduced THOUGHT, as we know it, and then everything happened from there.
The white Republicans still try to rule, the mixed up shook up everybody else still tries to fight rule, because we know that only by being natural and true to the earth can we survive, and here we are today.
Only problem is, every time I try to introduce this idea, I'm called ridiculous or racist or liberal or worse.
(Gets back behind the bar and puts The Beatles on)
June 26, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, yeah... of course you're gonna get attacked if you tell 'em Republicans invented THOUGHT!
But what the hell. Imagine the Republicans did. Maaaaaany years ago. What did they have that the rest of us didn't?
And pay attention to the bar willya, Lis? That Aubie's a ne'erdowell, and tonight he's feelin' no fear, so he's snookin' drinks.
June 26, 2008 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, you're right.
It wasn't the Republicans who introduced THOUGHT, it was the people already here. I was just trying to stir up some shit, like those gray and while alien Republicans always do.
My bad.
June 26, 2008 11:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Someone very close to me believes that aliens may have been our "founding fathers". I have had many conversations in that regard, and must admit that although I'm not sure of that belief -may disagree - it is a facinating premise.
June 26, 2008 11:44 PM | Reply | Permalink