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If Hillary were a man, what would the wise heads in the party do right now?  What would the media be doing?



No, it's not the same because Hillary's the first female candidate, but
maybe the male version is Hispanic and has all the labor union
endorsements rather than Hillary's supposed locked-up block of women
and working class folks.



Would they treat "him" the exact way they're treating Hillary?  Would
they say he needs to catch his breath and take his time to concede on
his own schedule?



Would everyone be tiptoeing around, afraid to anger him?



Would he have been given the air time and intense attention the last 24
hours that Hillary has?  Would the media have let him hijack Obama's
historic night?



Alternately, would a male candidate likely be handling the situation as
Hillary is, or is her style here more (stereo)typically female?  Would
a male more (stereo)typically have a different approach?  It's not this
simple, but it's akin to guys being less likely to ask directions.



Hillary & crew have accused the media of sexism toward her.  Are
they cutting her extra slack because of her attacks on them?  By her
accusations, has she introduced sexism into the equation in a way it
wouldn't be otherwise?



By contrast, I haven't heard that Obama's brought up racism in similar ways.

Of course, there's no way to answer these questions, but I'm dumbfounded and uneasy about her behavior and am looking for a framework that makes sense.


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I totally agree--and as a feminist I have been complaining that HRC has used gender as a weapon not something to be proud of.

Yes, they are giving her unwarranted slack because she has cried sexism. Sad for her, nauseating for us.

Very good point, but if Hillary were a man she wouldn't have been married to Bill Clinton. I think his former presidency is also one of the reasons for the "tip-toeing around and walking on eggshells" that we've been seeing from the media and the insiders. Just one more point in the mix, overall, though. Your main point stands.

And it stands well. Rec'd.

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Oh yes, the media has always tiptoed around the Clintons and Gore too for that matter, nary a word of criticism and always that reverence the media holds for any democrat in office.

If Hillary were a man...

...(s)he would only have 2 cojones.

Where did she get three anyway? Assuming she ripped off both of Bill's, she would have had to have one to begin with. Thanks for the mental picture, Carville!

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Why there's no sexism at all as far as I can see...

Only on the part of the Clinton campaign. Surely you recognize the reference?

I agree with LisB. Everytime I ask questions about gender in regard to Hillary, I end up immediately thinking but Hillary isn't just any woman. She is Hillary. The media and each of us as individuals have a very long history of both positive and negative feelings about her. Any other candidate in her situation, whether male or female, would be responded to differently. Although individual differences, and former first lady differences combine with the gender difference.

Exactly. I remember reading news stories and comments about Hillary a year ago wherein some people were saying, "Well, she's owed this. Bill and others owe her this, because of what she went through with the Monica Lewinsky trial and everything else."

My first thought when I read those statements was, WTF??

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By contrast, I haven't heard that Obama's brought up racism in similar ways.

Have you been in a coma?

"Those tears also have to be analyzed," Jackson said. "They have to be looked at very, very carefully in light of Katrina, in light of other things that Mrs. Clinton did not cry for, particularly as we head to South Carolina where 45 percent of African-Americans will participate in the Democratic contest, and they see real hope in Barack Obama."

And it only got worse from there.

Oh, I get it. His name is Barack Hussein Obama Jackson. Glad you quoted Obama — er, Jackson — himself to seal your case.

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No, they just have the attention span of circus monkeys...

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Yes, it was Clinton who introduced sexism in the campaign - it wasn't say, oh, Tucker Carlson with his remark that "everytime he sees her he has to cross his legs" or, I don't know, Mike Barnicle with his, "she sounds like every guy's ex wife standing in front of probate court" or maybe, Chris Mathews with his remarks that any male who supported Clinton is a "male castrata" (among too many to list) of David Shuster's remark that she "was pimping our Chelsea" or numerous articles by Maureen Dowd or Obama's remark that "it's time to draw back the claws" or Jack Cafferty's curmugeonly bullshit or any of the countless sexist remarks made by our "punditocracy". It must have been Clinton.

If you say so.

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Well, I'm more relaxed now because this afternoon, her superdelegates have told her that she has to concede this coming Friday.

Supposedly, her top staff went to Senator Rangel and said you have to tell her to get out. What was to be a conference call w/ the NY legislators immediately spread to others. 20+ angry legislators were on a conference call w/ Hillary late this afternoon. They were irate about her speech last night - McAullife's introducing her as the next President, Hillary not acknowledging Obama won, the whole embarrassing display.

One conclusion is that Hillary "misread" the mood of her supporters. Another reason for her not to be President.

For what it's worth, Lanny Davis said that, before today's call, Hillary was going to take a few weeks to assess her situation.

Maybe the end to this stupidity is in sight, but with the Clintons' crisis orientation, no telling what will happen next.

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And yes, LisB, my equation didn't have a Bill equivalent, which makes everything more complex. Maybe the Hispanic candidate was married to Condi Rice. :) Nah, that doesn't come close.

Bev, Obama's certainly had racist comments made by the media, such as the magazine cover with him in the crosshairs of a rifle scope. I don't recall any public threats on Hillary's life, but I could have missed them.

Hillary's had her own share of sexist comments, yes. The point is that no one in Obama's campaign (that I know of) has complained about racist comments or blamed them for their losses in the primaries.

Hillary and Bill and their spokespeople have blamed her failures on sexism from the media multiple times. Hillary even complained that, because she's a woman, it takes her 30 minutes longer in the morning to get ready for a day campaigning than her male opponents, so she gets less sleep than they - this before other male candidates dropped out.

As Rachel Maddow said today, she'll believe Hillary is withdrawing or suspending her campaign and endorsing Obama when she hears the words come out of H.'s mouth on Friday. And I add - and when I see her act on her words.

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You know, I was going to answer all your claims, but it just isn't worth it. You don't want to see it so you don't and no amount of proof is going to convince you otherwise.

Good points and, like LisB, my own feminist values just increase my sense of outrage. What other candidate in the history of our national campaigns has been given the time and space to go through the seven stages of grief before conceding?!

Women deserve equality--but we also need to take on equal responsibilities, such as (and my apologies for any sexist undercurrents to this word) MANNING UP and doing what must be done.

Time to move on.

Here's a framework that makes sense:

http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis/p20-pe07.html

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ripper...JJ Jr was his campaign co-chair...ie that race-baiting crap came from his campaign co-chair.

You do understand that, don't you? That the Obama campaign was going to have to "analyze those tears...particularly as we head to South Carolina where 45 percent of African-Americans will participate in the Democratic contest, and they see real hope in Barack Obama."?

That was the moment he became a race pimp.

1) Jackson is one of many co-chairs of the Obama campaign, but not Obama himself.

2) Jackson's remark, taken as you suggest, still doesn't rise to the same league as Bill Clinton's remark about Jackson's father and how he lost (presumably as Obama, another black candidate, would also).

3) You're really missing the point Jackson was making: That Hillary displayed a "sensitivity" just before the New Hampshire vote that was far different from the strength and experience she wanted to project leading up to the Iowa vote. Jackson was saying they would have to take her new tactic into account before the next contest, South Carolina. He also said that voters there, particularly blacks who had witnessed the devastation by Katrina of New Orleans, would have to decide why Clinton was crying in the Granite State but had not shown similar emotion over issues very relevant to black voters. If South Carolina and New Orleans were 100% white, he might have made a similar remark. And to top it off, he is still not Obama, and his remark was made impromptu during a televised interview on MSNBC, not pre-vetted by the Obama campaign.

I won't persuade you, but here's the YouTube link showing his remark in some context:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNrlSn7ndAA

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