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Ideas for Reforming Democratic Nomination Process

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1. Get rid of superdelegates

2. Get rid of caucuses

3. Get rid of the "tradition" of IA and NH coming first. -- they can pay for their own straw poll like of systems and have them one day after the previous election if they want.  Any other state has this choice as well.

4. Set up regions of states for holding Primaries in rotating orders.

5. Once someone has enough delegates to win - call off the rest contests

Agree or Disagree?


Comments (87)

1. Agree
2. Disagree
3. Sort of agree - small states should go first, but it doesn't always need to be New Hampshire and Iowa.
4. Disagree
5. Disagree

I don't think the process was really all that bad. Having meaningful contests very late into the season was a good thing, IMO, in terms of energizing voters and increasing registration.

I've not participated in caucuses, but there is a reasonable argument to be made that the time investment required to participate helps encourage a more well-informed and committed electorate, and it makes it easier for less well known candidates to make an initial case to a smaller audience, building momentum to mount a longer campaign in later states.

Likewise consolidating into a few big regional primaries will make the nomination contest more money dependent than it already is, a change for the worse IMO.

But it's good to think about possible changes and weaknesses in the absence of a particular race, without worrying how it might help candidate X or candidate Y. So I recommend the post. Thanks!

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The reason that I think Caucus should go is pretty simple. The caucus is a great way to get people to organize and to build party. But it is fundamentally a undemocratic process. it allows a highly motivated minority to hijack the process, i.e. the anti-war focus in WA and IA. The superdelegates are there to counterbalance the influence of those highly motivated but out-of-mainstream forces. by getting rid of caucus, the chance of a nimination process getting highjacked is much lower, which will allow us to get rid of superdelegates altoghther. Republicans do not have superdelegates but they choose the best candidates election after election. Why do we need superdelegates?

Do you think a few committed folks in ID, which will not vote for a Democrat in another millions years should have more say in our nomination process than hundreds of people in Nj?

Since when is being anti-war a sentiment that's out-of-mainstream? It's been a widely shared stance since 2006 at least.

I would not say it's the antiwar group that dominates, it's the folks who can afford childcare, who don't work two jobs, who don't work swing shift, who have a car, who have disposable time and income.

As to being more committed and more informed. No, they are just richer.

I've never met a person who wanted to go to the Iowa caucuses but couldn't because of work. I know there are a few out there, but the number is minimal. Most people who don't go don't go because they don't want to spend a couple hours to vote. I think it's a good thing to have some contests devoted by the people who are among the most committed voters.

And as far as Iowa continuing going first. Well, first I have one word. Obama.

Second, the dig in Iowa going first has always been that later states don't matter. I think that model was effectively broken this year. I really can't see later states simply rubber stamping whatever the early states do anymore. I never really understood why they did in the first place.

And my last point on why I hope Iowa continues to go first. Well, two words this time. Barak Obama.

Well, that's a load of shit. With no facts to back it up even.

Not one of my friends who attended their caucuses are rich or even middle class, they're poor. All of them took their kids with them with no problems and 5 of them work swing shifts, but gave up sleeping to participate.

Excuse me but this Washingtonian likes our caucuses. It is interesting and engaging. Those who don't want to discuss candidates after making their first vote can confirm it and leave if they want. It gives everyone a chance to become a delegate. It encourages membership in the party and a more active interest in your immediate community. You get a tangible sense of how democracy works and starts right at home.

The "get rid of caucuses" view is a Hillary talking point rooted in her not doing well in the caucuses.

It's posts like yours, Bademus, that remind me why I don't think we should ban caucuses.

In the abstract, I think primaries, because of increased participation, might be more democratic. But I've never lived in a caucus state, nor have I participated in caucuses, so while I can see the disadvantage of lower participation, I don't feel qualified to judge the potential advantages (greater enthusiasm, involvement, and probably others I've never even thought of), which could well outweigh the disadvantages.

Also, there's another advantage in having different states try different selection methods: that experimentation can lead to improvements that other states may later adopt, but which would likely never come about if it had to be adopted nationally. Perhaps Oregon's primary by mail might one day be such an example, but even if different systems never get wider adoption, from an evolutionary perspective, it's good to have such experiments.

I thought that caucuses were just about the very definition of democracy, as opposed to a republic. At least that was how I learned it back in government class.

Each and every state has the right (United States, remember?) to decide how that state will do the election tango. Aimee Simple Mcfoghorn, not withstanding. So sorry your candidate didn't win, but those were the playing field rules, and she knew them going in. As she told everyone (whether they cared or not)again, and again, and again, she was the most qualified, why didn't she get a grip on the playing fields, and devise a playbook from that? The "empty suit" did that. What someone likes in state a has no bearing on what state b does. Nor should it, as state a has no vote in state b. And when the rules were put down regarding states F and M, she elected to plot a course to sneak through. Didn't work, so now she's crying "sexist". More like sneaky.

Half and half:

1) I sort of like the idea of superdelegates, but I think that the superdelegate ballot should be limited to current elected leaders. I think that the supers are in the enviable position of knowing the candidates personally and professionally, which gives them greater insight into how the candidates operate. However, if only elected officials are given the bonus ballot, then they can still be held accountable by their constituencies.

2) Personally I like the idea of caucuses (it's pure democracy in a community setting - no saying one thing to a pollster and then pulling a different lever. What's not to love?), but I accept that they are impractical for the majority of voters. I think they're great, but if they have to go, they have to go.

3 & 4) It's pretty safe to argue that we would not have had the FL/MI debacle if it weren't for the IA/NH stranglehold on the "first in the nation" status. Screw them. The 48 other states have significant problems and deserve to have the same amount of face-time from the candidates. I absolutely agree that primary dates should be assigned by region (Northeast, Southeast, Midwest, Northwest, Southwest), and those regions rotate being first every time we have a primary cycle. ALSO, it would spread out the cost of tv spots because candidates wouldn't be trying to run ads in New York, LA and Chicago at the same time. And to those folks who argue that the people of NH and IA believe going first is their "birthright," I have to say - that's a load of crap. This country has always fought the "that's how it's always done" mentality, and we can't let this false logic guide our PRESIDENTIAL nomination campaign. It's too important.

5.) I fundamentally disagree with this one - not only because the votes of the later states are still important, but also because it's often the only way municipalities can get people to turn out for down-ticket voting. People who think the presidential race is over can *choose* to not vote, but to just take away the option is NOT what the Democratic Party is about.

I share your thoughts on this, brnedoutdem. Well said.

I see, a secret ballot is undemocratic. Much better to have public pressure and be forced to speak out in front of your neighbors. Really, caucuses award the delegates to the loudest and most stubborn, the most bullying...unless they are well-managed.

HAve you ever been to a caucus?

You're kidding right. Bullying at caucuses? Not a single confirmed report in the entire primary/caucus calendar. Some loud mouths sure. But everyone signs up for who they want when they sign in. And it's only the non-viable that move. And I have yet to see a non-viable group swayed by somebody yelling at them or bullying them. I would venture to guess it has never happened.
You can bash caucuses for being self-selective in only drawing voters willing to spend a couple hours. But give it up on the lies about bullying. It's absurd.

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Bullying? I think that's sort of a loaded term. At a caucus, people will debate but in no way is it hostile or hectoring (it's not like a blog comments section). It's very much focused on the issues and people make very passionate (and moving) cases for their candidate.

It doesn't get personal because at a caucus, you're literally sitting with your neighbors around a couple of small tables. In Seattle for instance, our precinct consists of about four square blocks of houses. It's people you know and/or see all the time.

Now, I don't think caucuses should be the most dominant type of contest but a small mix is good. ESPECIALLY in places like Idaho where it provides the chance for Democrats to get together and organize. It may not pay immediate dividends in the Presidential election but it will pay dividends in local races. Which can eventually turn into success at the general election level.

1. less
2. no
3. yes
4. maybe
5. no

i think the primaries should be back loaded. the first few states should be spread out. on the last day at least half the states should vote. states should bid for earlier positions.

1. Less - There just needs to be fewer
2. Disagree - Caucuses serve a valuable purpose for a campaign.
they give you a chance to try out your ground game and work on your organization. Ignore them at your peril. Also the DNC doesn't chose whether it's a primary or caucus, the states do.
3. Sort of agree. Here again there is a reason the small states go first. Cost for the campaigns. Gives an unfunded and possibly good candidate to get some traction.
4. Disagree first states are chosen for demographic reasons.
5. Disagree

The caucuses gave us Obama. Not much of a reason going forward to keep them, but they are now sentimental favorites for some of us.

Yes, the caucuses gave us a nominee who if the election were held today would lose, while the loser would win handily. It's such a fucked up loser system, no wonder the Democrats follow it. We seem to have a predisposition for failure.

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Oh, c'mon! He won by the rules that were set last year! She lost! It doesn't matter how she thinks she would do in the Super Bowl because she lost in the playoffs! Get over it!

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I think your argument about the less democratic nature of caucuses (in that it's a precious few who can manage to attend them, given the window of time) is far more convincing. You've got my support on that, and I've been to two - one of which I was scrambling for childcare.

The only thing about ours was that it was so crowded. Other than that it was on a Saturday and you don't have to stay beyond casting your vote if you don't want to spend the time. You don't have to speak about your choice if you don't want to or say out loud who you voted for. People brought their kids when necessary.

The combination of caucuses and primaries gave us the most exciting candidate we've had since I've been able to vote. I initially assumed Obama folks must have swarmed your caucus and you were just pissed Oregon Activst. And then I remembered that Oregon had a primary in which Obama swamped Clinton. Absolutely love that you're the caucus expert OregonActivist.

Well, I come from a caucus state where people caucus by going to sides of the room, one corner for one candidate, another for another and so on. And then people start yelling at each other to go here, go there and then they dicker. I will go to your corner if you support my candidate for this other position and so on. It's a mess, it's full of bullying and with the dickering, the only thing that keeps it from being the "smoke-filled room" is the prohibition of smoking in public places.

I hope to post in greater detail later today, but according to the Votemaster, Obama would win the election today, based on the most recent state-by-state polling. It would be close, but he would win.

1) I think we reduce their number, perhaps, but I don't have a problem with guaranteeing delegate status for the party's most significant elected officials.

2) I think we try to figure out a way to ensure that people unable to attend caucuses because they work, they're sick or disabled, don't have child care, have to be out of town, etc., have a way to cast votes in the caucus process. But don't ban them. For all their drawbacks, caucuses have the advantage of party-building and mobilizing activists.

3) Agreed. But in order to allow for retail politicking and to give underfunded candidates a chance, I say divide the states plus D.C. into groups of 10 by population size (obviously one group will have 11). Hold a lottery among the five groups to pick one state from each. Hold your first primary in the state chosen among the smallest 10. Then, a week or two later, hold it in the state among the next largest 10. And so forth.

4) Agreed, with the modification above. After you've held the five single-state primaries, hold four regional primaries consisting of the remaining 45 states + D.C. Hold a lottery to determine the order and have them be two or three weeks apart.

5) Absolutely not! Everyone should have the opportunity to vote.

But thanks for putting this out there and asking for our thought.

Oh, one other thing -- our elections should be held over an entire weekend, giving everyone two full days and the best possible opportunity to make it to a polling place no matter how busy and crazed their their lives are. If we can't change the general election to a weekend, the Democratic Party could at least require that all presidential primary elections and caucuses be held over the weekend.

Side note: Aimey May, I appreciate your reader post, and find it constructive in fostering discussion and debate on better ensuring that the Democratic Party all the more, better reflects the principles it stand for.

I am trying to square this with the vitriolic 'anti' Obama, comments that you are dropping everywhere else on this site, including references to a commitment, on your part to vote for McCain in November. Not to mention, a deep seeded desire to see the Democratic Presidential nominee defeated.

Any chance, you are willing to put this behind you and work at making the Democratic Party and country stronger, now that these historic and divisive primaries are behind us?

For an example, of the seeming incongruity of your stance Aimey May, please refer to the following thread:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/the_final_event_of_hillarys_50.php

1. Only elected supers - no "party insiders"
2. Disagree - that's what blunted Opr. Chaos
3. Implement the rule Levin was pissed about them breaking.
4. ???(don't understand the proposal)
5. Disagree - builds network for general, helps down ticket races.

5 addendum: everyone should have a chance to participate.

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Where does everyone get this idea that how the IA state Dem party selects its delegates is up to them? I like my caucus, thank you very much.

Something needs to be done about the schedule though, I agree.

Eliminate the Super delegates.
Keep caucuses for states that want them.
Eliminate the Texas caucuses.
Rotate which small states go first.
Group the rest of the states together and hold 3 or 4 mini super Tuesdays.
Switch to a winner take all delegate system.


And by all means...shorten the primary process so that the nominee has something left in them for the general election.

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Your winner takes all idea is great! This prepares the nominee for the general election. the idea that you have to won more than 62% to win an extra delegate in an even number state but you need to win only one more vote to gain 1 extra delegate in an odd-numbered district is beyond stupid!!!

For the people saying who can demand a state party how to select a nominee, I can say four letters: FL, MI. Do you think the state should be allowed to choose to give the loser more delegates?

Sorry, I'm firmly against winner-takes all. The reason we got rid of that to begin with is still a good reason. It dilutes the voting power of minorities. Racial minorities were the main concern at the time, but I think issue minorities are relevant too. If, say, you had an antiwar movement that's 15-40% of the electorate in a bunch of states, but an absolute majority in very few states, the winner-take-all system would tend to lock them out of the process.

If there's a problem right now, it's that doing proportional representation by district tends to flatten out the margins even more than a straightforward proportional system would, since districts with even numbers of delegates are going to split evenly if the race is anything less than a blowout. We could fix that without going all the way to winner-takes all.

i agree. give 1 vote for winning each district, then proportionately allocate the rest over the statewide vote.

this is also about how i think the electoral college should work.

1) Fewer. I like having elected officials being accountable and under pressure to take a stance and justify it.

2) Disagree. Nothing wrong with caucuses if that is what individual states want to do. It requires campaigns to think and act in a different way and deal with crucial decisions about scarce resources.

3) Somewhat agree. I like it as a tradition and I think IA and NH take their place in the spotlight seriously. I also thnk they can have disproportionate influence on the narrative. I would like to see the order of the contests rotate, but I also think we should be careful not to overreact because of the peculiarity of this particular election. MI and FL would've had huge impact if they'd stayed where they were on the calendar.

4) Unclear what this means.

If the proposal is "Have blocks of states and rotate through the calendar so that you get an Northeastern, Western, Midwestern, and Southern state voting. Rinse and Repeat," I find this interesting and would like to see the idea fleshed out in some greater detail. I like the idea of mixing it up and getting all parts of the country involved. If that isn't the idea, I don't know what you mean.

5) Wholeheartedly disagree. This will never happen. In many cases, the contests aren't just about the Presidentail election. There are often ballot initiatives and other races to contest. Besides, what ever happened to "Count Every Vote"? If Barack had won in New Hampshire, there would've probably been tons of states that wouldn't have had primaries at all. If Hillary had won Iowa and New Hampshire, there almost certainly wouldn't have been any contests after Super Tuesday. I don't see how this solves a problem, as I don't see how allowing every state to have a role in the nominating process is a problem.

Here's an item for thought: Why do territories that cannot vote in the general election have delegates? Why do we have areas in which the will of U.S. Citizens is limited to their party nominating contests?

1) Fewer. I like having elected officials being accountable and under pressure to take a stance and justify it.

2) Disagree. Nothing wrong with caucuses if that is what individual states want to do. It requires campaigns to think and act in a different way and deal with crucial decisions about scarce resources.

3) Somewhat agree. I like it as a tradition and I think IA and NH take their place in the spotlight seriously. I also thnk they can have disproportionate influence on the narrative. I would like to see the order of the contests rotate, but I also think we should be careful not to overreact because of the peculiarity of this particular election. MI and FL would've had huge impact if they'd stayed where they were on the calendar.

4) Unclear what this means.

If the proposal is "Have blocks of states and rotate through the calendar so that you get an Northeastern, Western, Midwestern, and Southern state voting. Rinse and Repeat," I find this interesting and would like to see the idea fleshed out in some greater detail. I like the idea of mixing it up and getting all parts of the country involved. If that isn't the idea, I don't know what you mean.

5) Wholeheartedly disagree. This will never happen. In many cases, the contests aren't just about the Presidentail election. There are often ballot initiatives and other races to contest. Besides, what ever happened to "Count Every Vote"? If Barack had won in New Hampshire, there would've probably been tons of states that wouldn't have had primaries at all. If Hillary had won Iowa and New Hampshire, there almost certainly wouldn't have been any contests after Super Tuesday. I don't see how this solves a problem, as I don't see how allowing every state to have a role in the nominating process is a problem.

Here's an item for thought: Why do territories that cannot vote in the general election have delegates? Why do we have areas in which the will of U.S. Citizens is limited to their party nominating contests?

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Where does everyone get this idea that how the IA state Dem party selects its delegates is up to them? I like my caucus, thank you very much.

Something needs to be done about the schedule though, I agree.

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Then why isn't when a state schedules their delegate selection contest up to them also?

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1) Disagree. Possibly fewer and only elected officials.

2) Agree. Caucuses have to go. If the DNC can disallow the delegates from 2 states because of when they held their primaries, it can refuse to seat delegates chosen by caucuses. Caucuses are nothing but vote suppression.

3) Agree.

4) Agree depending on the setup.

5) Disagree.

Hear, hear!! I totally agree that the DNC can end caucuses if they really want to be democratic with a small d. Also, why should the whitest and least representative states in the country dominate our elections? I am sick of Iowa and New Hampshire having such disproportionate influence. It's all part of the national bias against urban states and for rural states. They constantly get disproportionate power.

Yes to winner take all until we elminate the electoral college. The winner of the primary should have to win the way you need dto win in the general, not by gaming the system. Obama's strategy got him the nomination only because our primary is so disconnected from the general election process. IF he loses, I can just about guarantee we will go to winner take all...under which Clinton would have handily been the nominee long ago.

Eliminating the electoral college and going with state winner take all primaries is inconsistent. You are working toward one person one vote. National primary, and then national election, is the only way to that.

As an illustration of the weirdness of winner take all, the Hillary people were touting how in March, by winner take all, she'd be 300 delegates ahead. Problem is, by every popular vote metric, she was then behind. That cannot possibly be the right answer, and I think it's not what you're after. Matters not to whom it happens, it just isn't right either way.

One person, one vote. It is the principle at the bedrock.

I wouldn't want to jump straight to a national primary: that would require so much media spending that outside candidates would likely never get enough traction to be able to compete. Delegates, with each state choosing how to select its delegates, isn't a terrible system, as it allow diversity in selection methods.

Moving to one-person, one-vote is a good goal, especially at the general election level, but I'm more willing to live with the current system for the nomination process.

Yes, those white Iowa voters sure disenfranchised the minority candidates didn't they.
1. Obama.
2. Edwards.
3. Clinton.
4. Richardson.
5-8. Pale Males.
God damned racists and sexists.

Also, are you so naive Oregon Activist that you don't understand that the Obama campaign would have campaigned differently if the delegate selection rules were different.

It's the states that decide whether they will hold primaries or caucuses. I will keep my caucus thank you and you can be content with your primary. I'm not suggesting OR should change their system.

I'd rather just have a national primary with proportional voting. Just let the people decide. Pick your top three candidates. A full vote goes to your first choice, a half vote goes to your second choice, and a third of a vote to your third choice.

That is an excelent recipie for never nominating any candidate who does not start with national name recognition agan. We should be tryiing to open the system up not close it.

1) Agree. They did nothing to influence the race and only allowed a wedge issue to be exploited and divide the party.
2) Agree. All states should hold elections in the same way to be fair to all voters and levels the field for criteria that a winning candidate can claim as winning.
3) Agree. Maybe states should rotate their elections so that no one state can claim they are the state that chooses the nominee. On the other hand
4) Agree. See # 3
5) Definately not. All states must vote.
6) Shorten the election cycle down to three months maximum. 5 months is way too long.

2. Not posible. You cannot make states pay for a primary if the do not want to. It is also not desirable. Primaries favor establishment candidates. Cacuses favor insurgent candidates who can inspire frevor in dedicated followers. We need a mix of both to help select the best candidate.

No, caucuses disenfranchise voters. Democrats, of all people, should not be in the habit of doing that.

Ignoring the fact that one has to twist the definition of disenfranchisement beyond recognition to make that a true satement, what has that to do with the fact that the party cannot afford to put on a primary and the states cannot be forced to?

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1. Yes, Get rid of the Super Delegates! They're a throw back the the backroom deals of Old.

2. No, Keep the Caucuses. The caucuses emphasize not only a candidates name recognition, but a candidates ability to galvanize support from their base. A leader's ability to Motivate others to actually implement his Judgement maybe more important than a leaders ability to make correct Judgments. Bill Clinton said "It's better to be Strong and Wrong than to be Weak and right."

3. No, Keep IA and NH first. Then Rotate the other states on a year to year basis. BUT keep the REALLY large Delegate rich states until on or after Super Tuesday. (WHY?) This allows for a campaign insurgency so that an outsider with a great organizational skill actually can win it. The larger more populous states are very difficult for an Unknown to win. Having the larger contest first would result in nothing more than a television ad and Name Recognition contest. The "Earned Media" i.e. news stories resulting from wins or losses tend to help in the larger contest. Heck, No NH, Bill Clinton wouldn't have been called "The Comeback Kid!" A moniker that stuck and really launched his campaign. Ironically, he was labeled the Comback Kid even though he lost New Hampshire (to a remarkably smaller margin that had been polled).

4. No. It would definitely save money on air travel. But on the other hand candidates that have a "Home State Advantage" would be better served by clumping them together. If the "New England Region" Voted First Clinton would have all but sowed up the nomination with her being able to campaign out of New York and Feather out. If it were a "South East Region" Then there's a good shot we'd be talking about the nominee elect John Edwards as he would have swept the south early and made himself look like the Inevitable candidate. Make it such that the candidates have to transverse the United States for primaries in different areas on different days makes it such that it's closer to being a race on Neutral Ground. Of course if it's clumped into a region, the candidates would shift the message from "South Carolina's Own" to "South East's Regions Own"

5. Nope. Sometimes elections are more than elections for this year. It would be convienent to call them off after the delegates are all in but FUTURE contest would be weakened. Ronald Reagan might not have been a viable candidate for 1980 if not for his run in 1976 and and Mike Huckabee Definitely set himself up to be a great candidate for 2012 with his race this year. Also there have been races to send messages about certain constituencies. Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition run and Ron Paul's traditional Republican ride.


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The caucuses emphasize not only a candidates name recognition, but a candidates ability to galvanize support from their base.

Caucuses exclude so many people it's hard to believe that they're still being used. They're quite easily stacked as the Paultards proved in LA this year and as the TX primary/caucus results demonstrate.

Caucuses reward the candidate with the most oranizational ties (ie unions/associations/etc) and the most rabid/less busy supporters. A process to nominate presidential candidates that favors a college student over a working single mother of 3 kids is beyond ridiculous.

lol, the best things about caucuses were the stickers for Dukakis "I'm gonna caucus for Dukakis"

Yes, where I grew up caucuses were and are the ticket. They are insider games. They are not democratic. My parents said when they declared for Chisholm, they were under tremendous pressure and bullying. My sister was a Jackson delegate - and because you publicly declare in the caucuses, she got her harassing phone calls for weeks after the caucus. My sister this year was actually shoved against the wall by an Obama supporter who was trying to physically intimidate her into supporting him. Yup, they are so wonderful. Such an expression of democracy.

My other sister, district leader no less, was scheduled to work the night of the caucus. She could not get the night off. She was disenfranchised. Fuck the caucuses and the privilege prigs that don't give fuck all for the folks who work for a living.

Oregon Activist is the biggest liar I have seen on these pages. Simply a joke. A lying joke.
No one harassed her sister for voting for Jackson. No Obama supporter roughed up her sister to try to force her to vote for Obama. I accordingly also doubt that her other sister was forced to miss the caucuses or that her parents harassed for supporting Chisholm. In what state did all these things happen Oregon Activist.

Negative things do happen at caucuses, but they are the exception and not the norm. That said, if people go to a caucus fixing for a fight, they'll find one. Maybe they didn't take kindly to being called a privledged prig inbetween their bites of red white 'n blue caviar?

The people who don't want caucuses seem to live in states that don't have them anyway and they are simply regurgitating Clinton talking points.

This happened in Minnesota - I guess Minnesota nice has its limits when people supported Chisholm, Jackson and Clinton. And yes, my sister had to work, but don't let anything get in the way of your fantasy of the perfect democracy of the caucus. You get to go, you get to vote and clearly since your justification for keeping the caucus is that your candidate won, well, clearly you don't really give a damn about anyone else's right to vote. You have perfect company, Antonin Scalia, who also insists that Americans have no "right to vote" in Bush v. Gore.

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Perhaps your Sister didn't tell you that if you can't attend caucus due to work, illness, or travel out of County, you can still vote by writing a note to your precinct chair before caucus -- you can even ask to be a delegate, and declare the sub-caucus you want to be in.

As Al Franken -- now our endorsed candidate for the US Senate (First Ballot) as of about an hour ago said in accepting the endorsement, 215 thousand Minnesotans showed up in blizzard weather for caucus, and they collectively elected the underpinnings of a new Progressive Chapter in DFL History. Al won because he organized -- he went to every town, many cross-roads cafes, every summer parade, every party bean feed -- and he talked to anyone the least bit interested in Politics. He built his campaign from the people he met who agreed with his positions, and volunteered.

He Quoted Paul Wellstone. "The Future belongs to the Passionate who work hard."

Paul became a US Senator because of the Caucus System -- you can run and win even if you don't have a pile of money, because passion and organization count more than money. If you have to have a zillion dollars from PAC's for TV in order to consider running, then only those who have already sold their souls to Big Oil or Big Pharm get to run. We don't need any more Senators like that.

And I've been at this thing since the mid 60's -- organized caucuses for Gene McCarthy, for McGovern -- have managed 20 state and local campaigns, served on State Central Committee for ten years, Chaired a State Credentials Committee the year Wellstone first was endorsed, and worked for Don Fraser when he headed the Delegate Selection Reform Commission in 1971-72, summarizing the testimony on the process taken at hearings all across the country. Look -- the reason there was blood in the streets in Chicago in 1968 was because the anti-war movement was cut out of the process by the LBJ operatives and the forces of Richard Daley. Proportional Representation, Gender Equity and Affirmative Action Rules produce outcomes that gradually people come to accept, whether it is done in a Primary or in a Caucus.

Reduce the number of superdelegates.

Continue to let states decide whether they want caucuses or primaries because, frankly, I like my caucus, and I don't think the parties should force states to pay for primaries. You want a primary, go ahead, but don't tell my state what to do.

Mix up the order, but continue to let the smaller states go earlier.

Absolutely, NO to the notion of canceling later contests. They're important for reasons other than just determining the nominee.

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...I like my caucus...

Caucuses are a joke. You have the initial caucus (which selected 3 republicans for Obama this year btw), then the county 'convention' and then the state 'convention'. It's the ultimate organizational and insider's game.

Don't tell states what to do? If memory serves, you've recently been one of the more strident voices here in support of not counting the FL & MI delegates. Connect the dots.

If the Dems want organizations and the more rabid/less busy demograhic to choose their nominee, caucuses are the ticket.

If Democrats want to pick the most inspiring leader as their candidate cacuses are the way to go. The candidate has to inform their supporters of the rules and get them motivated to go and lead them through the process. Primaries are favor the candidate who can lure the lowinformation voter to the polls. We need a mix of both types of contests so that both types of candidates can compete and we will nominate the best one. Also Who Is Going To Pay For All These Expensive Primaries?

Well, I would agree with you on all five, Aimey, but I wouldn't fight for them.

The party nominating process is qualitatively different from a general election, in that it is publicly hosted semi-private endeavor. Hence all the weird rules that wouldn't be allowed in a general election.

Personally, as a member of the Democratic Party (Class of 1978), I would prefer more of a straight democratic process, and that would basically have me go along with, at least, proposals 1-4. (Proposal 5 I think is actually less democratic, disallowing people at the end of the line to have a say.)

I'm not from a caucus state (I'm a Californian), so I can't speak from experience, but from every account I've ever read/seen/heard, caucuses seem to be the antithesis of modern democracy. They seem to prejudice those without the freedom of time, as well as those who are not inclined to go against their neighbors/peers. (The secret ballot seems to me to be the hallmark of modern democracy.)

What is the point of having New Hampshire and Iowa go first? That isn't democratic. But it's always presented as going to the benefits of "campaigning." Campaigns are for chumps. Just ask those who wanted Hillary's votes in Florida and Michigan counted, even though there was no campaigning there. ("No building name recognition after the nominating process begins.") However, I happen to believe that campaigning DOES matter. But dynastic entitlement is something I prefer we avoid, and that's what New Hampshire and Iowa are enjoying. I'm for rotating; give everyone a chance to see what a full host of candidates looks like in your community, talking about your community's equivalent of corn.

But, again, it is a PARTY nomination process. This needs to be better explained to those who are quadrennially pissed-off by how "unfair" all the rules are. That, or make rules that aren't so seemingly unfair.

Just look at how the Greens and the Libertarians pick their candidates: the old fashioned way: no states involved. Yech.

I say that primary/caucus dates should be chosen one day after the last election. The states should be able to choose, but once they do, they should be committed to that.

If every state chooses January 1, so be it. My guess is that after this election cycle, the competition could be for who goes LAST!

The DNC tried to make rules and enforce them and look what happened! Let the states make their own rules and stick to them, and go from there.

It couldn't be worse than this year's fiasco, and it just might make the system work for the best.

OH! And if a state wants a caucus, fine! Superdelegates? What a disgusting insult!!!!!!

Get rid of the idea of Supers who can over-rule "emotional voters!" If the people choose someone who the Supers over-rule, there will be anarchy and a loss of the election, so why have Supers just to stoke their egos?

I also think it is a terrible idea to pick a VP from among those who you ran against in the primaries. We are a big county/ we have many good minds/ we don't have such a small pool to fish in.

. Get rid of superdelegates
AGREE
2. Get rid of caucuses
AGREE: DEFINITELY Worst thing.
3. Get rid of the "tradition" of IA and NH coming first. -- they can pay for their own straw poll like of systems and have them one day after the previous election if they want. Any other state has this choice as well.
AGREE
4. Set up regions of states for holding Primaries in rotating orders.
AGREE
5. Once someone has enough delegates to win - call off the rest contests
DISAGREE - what about the down ticket candidates? What are they? chopped liver? What about nonpartisan races and ballot measure that the primary national ticket draw helped the Dems?

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1. Get rid of superdelegates

Maybe. I personally think it is useful to have superdelegates who are elected officials. Why? Because theyb will know the candidates personally because they work with them. It was QUITE TELLING to me that Hillary was trailing among the Senators who had endorsed anyone. She has been in the Senate twice as long as Obama, some people had known her since the early 90s, yet he had more support (and suport from more moderate Red State Dems) based on less than four years work? That, to me, is quite telling. I would not give party hacks a vote, though. Only current and past elected officials (i.e., those who left office in the past five years or so).

2. Get rid of caucuses

Disagree. Why? Because as someone posted abot in support of your notion, "The caucus is a great way to get people to organize and to build party." Enough said! Plus, with caucuses, candidates with little money but good organization can compete. What's wrong with that?

3. Get rid of the "tradition" of IA and NH coming first.

Disagree. What is wrong with tradition? Iowa proved that, with the right candidate and the right organization, anyone can win early. If a skinny Chicagoan with a Muslim name can do it, who can't?

4. Set up regions of states for holding Primaries in rotating orders.

Disagree. The US is too large and too diverse to have such large populations and regions inundated in such a short time. Super Tuesday was an unmitigated disaster, with neither candidate paying much attention to California at all, because they could not afford to timewise or moneywise.

5. Once someone has enough delegates to win - call off the rest contests

Maybe. It is a waste of jet fuel, gasoline, etc. to force people to campaign, force the states to set up polls, etc. On the other hand, how do you select and assign delegates. Won't that piss off the late states which REALLY will have no say ion the selection of candidates?

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"The caucus is a great way to get people to organize and to build party."

Sounds fine but don't award any delegates based upon a turnout of the more rabid/less busy. If a state wants to seat delegates, the DNC should require that state to hold a primary. Are you familiar with the TX results this year?

If a state wants to seat delegates, the DNC should require that state to hold a primary.

And just how do you plan to emforce that? Do you rember FL and MI? Who is going to pay for it? You know, some states take care of their feduciary responsibilities and take them quite seriously.

"Sounds fine but don't award any delegates based upon a turnout of the more rabid/less busy. If a state wants to seat delegates, the DNC should require that state to hold a primary. Are you familiar with the TX results this year?"

Are you? The state results have not been posted. The Texas Democratic Caucus is today.

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I think this discussion would be better deferred til after the election.

The Democratic nominee was elected on the basis of the current rules. The last thing we need is to feed any current passion that delegitimates it.

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Now is the best time to talk about it because of what this idiotic selection process showed us this year. There's no mystery in the results.

I sort of like the idea of rotating regional primaries, in that they would give each section of the country a chance to go first but then they would give an unfair advantage to any candidates coming out of that region.

What about grouping states not by region by by diversity (geographic, demographic, population size, etc.) Say five groups of 10 states or 10 groups of five states. You could rotate the groups but then no candidate comes with a huge advantage based on region order.

Why do we care to change it now? Because your candidate lost? Where was your concern the previous 28 years regarding this? Where was your concern about this last year? What a joke.

My candidate won.

I think her comment was in response to Aimey May, who despises Obama, says she won't vote for him, and is rooting for Hillary in 2012. She is just trying to figure out a way for her to actually WIN next time.

I like the idea of philosopher kings.

So long as I'm the Philosopher King, I agree. Kneel before Fosberry!

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disagree. first, though i don't live in new hampshire or iowa, i respect those state's commitment to civic engagement. for all the high mucky mucks and wannabe ptb's who rationalized the frontloading of this primary, not one of them ever challenged those other states to increase civic engagement. their interest was only in trying to manipulate the process.

you don't advance participation, or even get issues out there by deriding those who actually take the process seriously. what that says is they don't respect citizen involvement, or interest, rather they view voters as something to exploit.

my state's democratic party, and democratic governor frontloaded in violation of the rules. it was apparent to many of us across the state that they were attempting to hijack the state's votes for clinton. for all their bs about "putting the state's issues forward" not once in the entire year did they attempt to increase civic engagement. in fact they did all they could to suppress it. their actions lead to many democrats feeling that their vote wouldn't count, because they couldn't vote for the candidate of their choosing, obama, edwards, etc..

so lay off nh and iowa, if you truly want to improve the process, learn one important fact, the problems we have with voting aren't because the good people of nh and iowa take the primaries seriously, it's the fact that others don't.

demand each state increase civic engagement, make it compulsory. the candidates will show up and participate in town hall meetings, etc.. so will the press.

i don't happen to care for caucusing, and