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I Know More Than You Do

I'm sorry.  I just do.  I wish I could explain all the things I know and you don't and how I found them out, but I just can't.  I have what's called esoteric knowledge.  We who have it keep it hidden.  That's the whole point.

If I told you what I knew and how I found it out, it wouldn't be hidden knowledge anymore, and it wouldn't be as useful.  For one thing, you might go checking up on it and finding out some of it was wrong or that it came from an unreliable source, or that I just made it up.

So you are just going to have to trust me and give me some room to operate here.  It's hard to convince people and the other side is arguing against me, and the most important thing in the world is that I win this argument.  So if I say I know things you don't know, back me up.  And if anybody says I'm wrong or I don't know something or dares to ask me how I found it out, you go after them with anonymous insults and shut them up.  Because those people are either the people I'm arguing with, or they are just plain stupid.  I know things they don't know and I want them to shut up.

Now you take this Feingold guy for example.  He's what I call a dangerous politician.  He even admits there are things he doesn't know and wants to find out.  How dumb is that?  Who wants a Senator that admits nobody gave him the hidden knowledge?  Not me.  I want my politicians in on the hidden knowledge loop, even if they can't share that info with me.

I know some of you are going to object to this argument and bring up the invasion and intelligence briefings and reports and UN speeches and State of the Union uranium and just that whole Bush thing, but that's because you don't have the knowledge I have about how the situation is different this time.   People like me can be trusted never to tell you I know something I don't know, even if Bush did that a couple of times.  Okay.  Even if he did it a lot.

And maybe Bush did lie some to get elected, but that was before he got the hidden knowledge.  Because the thing is, having hidden knowledge means you never have to admit you were wrong or that you've changed your mind.  So you can never really lie, can you?

Someone like me can't anyway.  Someone like you might be going back on a promise or lying if you said you would do something and didn't.  But someone like me has the hidden knowledge card to play.  I just say oh I learned a lot since then, so I get a change your mind for free card.

I can use the compromise card, too, because my mom was a Republican and my dad was a Democrat, so compromise is in my DNA.  So to speak.

The best thing is to combine the compromise card with the hidden knowledge card.  Then you get to change your mind and compromise at the same time. 

I wish I could tell you where and how I learned all this, but then you'd know as much as I do and you might not trust me anymore.

Please don't recommend this post.  I don't want those other people to find out about the hidden knowledge and how to use it.


Comments (287)

What's your clearance level?

Ultra secret and hush hush. But I shouldn't even tell you that. Sorry. No more information.

At least you're not taking yourself seriously.

That's good, no one else is either.

You do that enough to completely cover the rest of us in conceit, esoteric knowledge, seriousness and self-importance. I appreciate your service.

Perfect, Billy.

That appears to be the mindset. We're not electing a President, we're shopping for a new Daddy.

Yeah. I remember my dad telling me the Kennedy and Johnson adminstrations knew more than me about Vietnam. Guess it's something we all have to go through. But I'm not sure I should be telling you that. Might give you a lead on how I got some of my esoteric knowledge.

Point well made!

How can one cram so much ego into one withered old body?

I have a big sack between my legs where I put most of it. Want some?

Too much information.

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Get an enema treatment. That will flush it all out of you, and then they will be able to bury you in a shoe box.

You've sucked a lot of it out already.

No thanks. 80 year old spare sack skin is not desireable. But I'm sure you've already been told that.

That's not what your mama told me.

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BILLY'S GOAT
Billy left his goat out, and somebody got it--the entire pro-Obama crowd. So now he's into full bore rant about his made up factoid, that little scratch on Obama's Honda--the supposition that Obama is refusing to say what his info is and where he got it.

What's the difference between a staw man and a made up man? In this case, there's too little difference to comment on.

In Vietnam, the problem was that our leaders didn't know what their leaders were thinking and vice versa. So your Dad was wrong but not within your framework. Leaders on both sides made assumptions based on their prejudices that were wrong and lethal. So there were no important hidden facts. There was a dearth of helpful points of view of what was going on--a completely absence of realistic empathy, an intellectually credible view of what the other guy was thinking.

The same problem is in force now. You don't know enough about what Obama is thinking. As John Dean and Olberman suggest, he may be thinking that, because the revised FISA bill has a giant loophole--no prohibition of criminal prosecution, there's no point in voting against it and, thereby giving the Right ammunition.

There's a chess game here that he shouldn't expose, not because he's duplicitous to us his supporters, but because his reasoning is so complicated and evocative that exposition of it at length is truly confounding more than helpful. I've read a few of his pieces, and they are difficult to get onto a bumper-sticker.

If he could say, I've seen solid evidence that the data collection we're trying to enable did stop a terrorist threat, would that satisfy you? How much do you need to know to be convinced that he's not capitulating and is being honest about his motives for voting for this bill?

I'd settle for him saying what he knows now that he didn't know a year ago. In addition to the fact that he's the nominee, of course. But hell, I like esoteric knowledge as well as the next sap. Didn't I just say so?

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Billy,
You're perpetuating the fiction that only you have created, the idea that Obama's relying on inside information and that he is bent on hiding it. There's no evidence in anything he said that either of these propositions are true. Please help us get from the quote you began your series of posts with and these propositions.

Here's your quote of Obama again,

I think what is clear is that the way the program operated broke the law that was existing at the time," Obama said Monday at a news conference in Jacksonvill, Fla. "On the other hand, what I've also seen and learned is the degree to which the underlying program itself is, in fact, necessary to help prevent terrorist attacks."

And he concludes that any delay in giving telecom's safeguards jeopardizes national security.

You can argue that point, but it seems absurd to get stuck on whether or not he is hiding the basis for his finding--that the program is so important that we shouldn't delay it's re-institution. That basis is all over the place. There's no hiding it.


I didn't say Obama had any inside information. I said he said he learned something that changed his mind. And I asked where he learned it. I'm the one who has the esoteric information. Stop trying to get it out of me. If I wouldn't tell Feingold, I sure won't tell you. And you can't make me tell you, because torture is against the law. Unless I learn something to make me think it isn't. But I guess you'll never know what that is, because after all what's hidden knowledge worth if you go around sharing it?

The bill brings FISA back. The bill makes the system constitutional again, and makes a step in the right direction. No punishments for past wrongs, but CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEMS ARE GOOD! MY esoteric knowledge is so superer secret than yours that I can tell you exactly what I know and mean, and leave you ignorant.

If there were an 8th level of esoteric knowledge I would say you have achieved it, unless, of course, I were sworn to keeping the existence of an 8th level secret.

Damnit Billy, if you didn't make me laugh, you'd be super annoying. Oh man, I would hate your quick wit and role play so freakin' much.

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Gee, if that is some sort of satire on Obama I guess you missed that part where he told people he will make mistakes and his constituents will disagree with him, even vehemently. But I guess it's funnier without actually looking at actual things the candidate actually says.

Must be part of that hidden knowledge - it doesnt stand up to scrutiny.

There is nothing funny about something as essential as hidden knowledge. We couldn't get anything done without it. People would be too informed.

yup

Hey. Good to see you blue guy. Last thread I'll be responding to anonymous comments. Only talking to real people from now on. Take care of yourself. Tell the old guy and the others so long. Hope to run into you in the real world some day.

blue-listed, dagnabbit

My sanity is at stake.

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You're the sanest one here.

At least give him a little blow before he leaves. you've been trying to do that for so long.

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You don't even get the post, do you. Pathetic.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement one one takes your nym at face value.

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Ah, the TPM brain trust has arrived.

Steve is ok. He recognizes performance art. I was hoping he'd lead the Obamanauts out of the k-hole of the echo chamber, but I think he OD on crap speak a while back. He's smart, though. Give him some esoteric knowledge and he'll bounce back.

Best remedy there, Billy, is take a long break from TPM and work on your own stuff. This place should be fun. But often it's a huge waste of precious time when it gets addictive. That's what I've found. If you can't use it to jump start something more valuable, then it's trouble. And anyone who is on it every day, and for many hours, is in trouble-- or terribly lonely. I've thought your recent absences were a good sign. Any way, good luck. And thanks for the great back-and-forth days back some months when there was something to get excited about. I picked up some interesting points of view. And some damn good rhythms. Rest up. You seem very tired. Good luck.

dagnabbit.

I am in full agreeement, Billy. There is no knowledge you have that is obvious to the observer.

Thank you. It helps to not have to explain myself. You'll just have to trust me. I promise never to let you down, even when I do.

But do you have hope Billy?

I hope I do.

I do not really disagree with anything you are saying here, Mr Glad. I am totally unconvinced by the "trust me" arguments being made in defense of Obama and others on that side of the FISA renewal argument. That said, I rather wonder what you are looking for here. What sort of reaction are you hoping to elicit and from whom?

You're being punished. We're all being punished.

That's right. You're being scolded for forgetting that I know more than you do and for trying to trick my hidden knowledge out of me by asking questions.

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Just remember, Greg: Cats have no sense of humor.

then why do they play with their mice before they kill them?

i always thought this was either the result of a sick and cruel sense of humour, or some sort of a skill-honing instinct.

The funniest part is when they leave the stomach (which, for some reason, they don't like to eat) on the hardwood floor in the hallway between your bedroom and the bathroom. Then, when you get up in the middle of the night and walk to the bathroom in your bare feet, everyone has a good laugh. Good times, good times...

This morning on Meet the Press, Hillary Clinton defended her 2002 vote for the Iraq war resolution, saying that she "thought it was a vote to put inspectors back in" so Saddam Hussein could not go unchecked. She insisted that she and others were "told by the White House personally" that this was the purpose of the resolution, and cited President Bush's assurances to defend her position.

Moderator Tim Russert pointed out that the title of the resolution was the "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002." Clinton responded saying, "We can have this Jesuitical argument about what exactly was meant. But when Chuck Hagel, who helped to draft the resolution said, 'It was not a vote for war,' What I was told directly by the White House in response to my question, 'If you are given this authority, will you put the inspectors in and permit them to finish their job,' I was told that's exactly what we intended to do. "

Of course we'll just have to trust her on that one. We have no way of knowing what Bush actually told her. She could be lying, for all we know. But in a fair world, there would be no classified information. We'd just walk out into the world with our pants down around our ankles and our dicks hanging out. Like a bunch of goddamn fucking naive, clueless idiots.

She has the knowledge and knows how to use it. My kind of politician. Not like Feingold who didn't trust the knowledge he was given. What a dope. McCain is best of all. Every time events catch up with him he runs over to Iraq for some more hidden knowledge. Going to take Obama with him some day. The Progressive blogs are beginning to predict that the next topic Obama will get hidden knowledge on that changes his mind is Iraq. I think it will be Iran, but, of course, I can't tell you how I know that.

By the way, I put your avatar in a book I'm working on. Made it a smart AI with a profound understanding of human nature. A white kitten, wearing bunny ears.

And I hope you didn't recommend this post. You tend to be insubordinate.

Hey, Billy, it's OK. We trust you. If you say it, it's gotta be the truth. I recommended this post almost as many times as you did. All that logging in and logging out. What a pain! But it's worth it, don't you think?

Is that how it's done? I'm pretty sure that is hidden knowledge you shouldn't be revealing.

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I have a question, Billy: Is the I-can't-believe-you-didn't-know-that retort an argument or a card? (I'm a little confused about what a card is anymore.)

It is confusing to the uninitiated. An argument you have to make. A card you just have flash. I may have confused the two on purpose in order to protect the underlying program.

Good post. Shudda stuck to the advice you gave me about not engaging your audience, though. Still, well done.

Thank you. I'm only engaging because this is the last time I'm going to do it and I wanted to say goodbye to some friends. Goodbye.

Can we drop by to visit your blog? Or would you prefer not.

:(

Sure. And I'll still post here when I have anything to say. I might even sneak up on you in another thread. Just not mine. Trying to get to a higher level of discourse.

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Awe shucks. Billy Richard Drama Queen Nixon Glad tells us that we wont have him to kick around anymore. He declares that he is not going to post on TPM anymore, except when he posts here in the future. Do all PUMA nut jobs engage is as much doublespeak as Billy Drama Queen Glad!

Do your billy grackle bird one for me one more time. And you can still rag on my posts, I just won't talk back.

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I know the answer is yes you can. I can't say how I know, I just do.

You can drop by mine too, bee. I just started one, but so far it's more personal than political. It's a writing/recording project nonetheless. You can access mine through Billy's or Desi's by clicking my name in one of my comments.

Thanks gasket. I will.

Billy, this will be a poorer place without you.

See you around.

But, but, but you can't abandon us now! How will we survive without LeSeEK (Level 7 Esoteric Knowledge)? Wait! Don't leave us, Bronco Billy!

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Clearly, a relative unknown candidate who mapped out a plan, and used it to beat two Clintons knows things that Billy does not know, or is even capable of comprehending. That is why Billy has morphed into a PUMA without a clue.

I rest my case.

Pay the cashier on your way out.

You think he does that on purpose? Boy, you do have hidden knowledge. But you're right. He couldn't be better if I made him up. I thought of doing something to make the bozos think I was your alter ego as they call it before I stopped talking to them, but I figured that was too harsh, even for you. Goodbye.

We'll see how long that lasts. This time.

Billy, not to say the FISA thing doesn't merit criticism, but not even a few weeks ago, you criticized Obama for not being "where he had to be" on the issues. Now you're preemptively criticizing for "changing his mind" on Iran or Iraq, which, if memory serves, you advocated was necessary.

I might add, being criticized by the so-called "netroots" may not be a bad thing for Obama. It may very well have the same effect as the right-wing criticizing McCain.

I don't mind him changing his mind. I don't like the reason he gave. Or didn't like it until I found out why he did it. I'd tell you, but etc. So long, beach girl. Love your comments, but won't be talking back. Got to put you on the anonymous list. But I'll be reading every word you write.

You must have been an actor in a previous life, Glad. :)

And I'm no anon. What's a gal gotta do to stay on the real person list?

Sucking up, Hilary, is probably a good start.

Billy keeps pulling me on and off his magic list.

I feel his love either way.

Adios.

Nothing. You're there.

I'm thrilled I'll still have someone to talk to. You, gasket, des, and I couldn't stand not talking to Bee. I have a feeling it will be like Farenheit 451. The real people will turn up a few at a time. Come to think of it, Greg is real, isn't he? Ghengis is so real he goes out in public. Articleman gives interviews. Not a bad start.

Ah, but how can we ever know if someone is real? I, for one, am merely a mirage...

I'll be happy to take you to Brooklyn on the 19th.
Real peeps hang out here:

http://www.lingr.com/room/TPM-aholics
See ya
:)

And you have your real picture here, and looking around I see what? We only know who they really are if we have a drink with them? Come on...this is such crap. This is crap-speak and crap-think, based on THEIR real lack of identity about themselves.

I think I'll know. And if I get fooled? 50 years from now ... ?

Previous life? He's an actor now...

Thanks. For much. Said it elsewhere, I'll say it here. You were the one that caught my eye. Made me decide to wander in. Take a shot. Engage. You got the big bad brain. Multiple brains. Some won't get that sticking fingers in the sore spots is sometimes necessary. Fast Eddie - that was better than Rove. Rove's still trying to pain him into a Country Club, when the pool hall's the thing. Wit is good. Take the wit outta witless, and whaddya got?

And yeah, obviously, you're a complete argumentative prick.

So, in the words of a wiser man than I - Go. Come back. Yell trash. Sing song.

Mess with our minds.

P.S. Get rid of your "Genghis" character. That boy's lost his sense of smell. Can't tell apple pie from... whatever it is you're smelling.

P.S. Get rid of your "Genghis" character. That boy's lost his sense of smell. Can't tell apple pie from... whatever it is you're smelling.

Not sure what kind of game you're playing here, and, frankly, I don't want to know. But in case anyone else wanders in and reads into this a suggestion that Genghis is somehow one of Billy's creations, I can vouch that he's not. As can anyone who's been to one of the TPM-aholics events he coordinated.

And (I can't believe I'm even bothering to type this; it seems like one of those things that's just too obvious to need to be said) that boy has heart, wit, and intelligence.

you might have missed a joke there. quinn tends to be obscure.

Yeah, I probably did. Almost didn't say anything, on those grounds. But then I figured if I was missing an obscure joke, others might be, too.

Hey Paige. I was just razzing Genghis, cos for some reason he likes to float the idea that I'M Billy. And now... back to our regularly scheduled commercial.

Paige, quinn's comment is a reference to this thread in which I responded to a gratuitous snipe by accusing quinn of being billy: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/06/im-bored-thrill-me-ya-bastids.php

Any new avatar that seems to know everyone immediately is likely a fake. The narrowly defined persona and syntactical affectations are also a giveaway; quinn's posts are pretty good, but they have the feel of a fictional character. The overt glad praise and use of glad terminology, like "riff" and "crap speak" suggest that it's a glad avatar in particular, but who knows? It could be a glad acolyte like Desidero.

That said, I'm not sure what to make of the imeem profile. Interestingly, when you google "Quinn Mackeen," you get the imeem profile and a facebook page. Nothing else. Which means that it's a fake name. But...the facebook profile actually has friends that fit quinn's purported background. So color me unsure.

Anyway, doesn't matter except for my perverse curiosity. I do appreciate your spirited defense of my honor. You're one of the best souls at TPM (and I'm not saying that because you jumped to my defense).

PS Regarding BG's promised absence. I've heard that before.

PPS On a warmer note, though BG and I don't get along anymore, I fondly recall one of my first satire posts, in which BG offered the first comment on the the thread: ROFLMAO. I had to look it up because I didn't know what it meant. Pity that he doesn't offer compliments anymore except to a select few with whom he's trying to ingratiate himself.

Genghis.... I hope someday to share a drink, and perhaps then we'll BOTH find this more amusing..... Bloody hell guy, just imagine I was real for a second. Ok. Tryin'? Now imagine calling me a fictional character, and commenting on my "narrowly-defined persona?" It'll be good for laughs, I suspect. I swear, I have NEVER gotten that insult before!

Look. I dropped by the TPM-aholics site last night, just to try and quickly put an end to this, and chatted with Bee and LisB and co. about my present hometown, which (surprisingly) also seems to have family ties for one of them. Bee can say what she thinks - and I'm sorry it was only for 20 minutes or so. I'll wander back when I'm back from Nova Scotia with my family, ok? (Nova Scotia or, without the Latin, New Scotland, is NOT a fictional place. Go scan for more info if it warms yer bunions.)

As for using "glad-terminology," I donno.... you may have noted my love of music, and I thought "riff" was fairly well-established over there. How the hell was I to know "crap-speak" wasn't just part of ALL of yer lingos in here? If I may say, there are a couple of characters using it. I figgered it was a label you'd all cooked up re: the shortening of words that sometimes crease the pants between the texting & non generations.

And SURPRISINGLY, I don't use my real name. Jeez, looking around, I'm somehow not convinced many people here do. And yes, I have a Facebook page now, with real people on it, because - as I've often mentioned - my family is hauled across 3 countries, and with many of them now 18-24, that's how they live. Those're my baby sister's twins, at Imeem, and they're damned cute.

Billy is right now laughing his hole out, Genghis. When I came onto the site, that furrowed brow little guy avatar he had about 5 weeks back caught my eye. You couldn't NOT notice him everywhere, because he was in great, fur-tearing arguments, with everyone in general, and then the bunny racing in like this was Itchy & Scratchy.

I'm beginning to wonder if YOU GUYS didn't create HIM.

And when I cut through all that arguing shit, I noticed that grumpy BG - though I agreed with him about 3 in 10 - had some real brains. Was fast. Well-read. Completely disagreed with him on the HRC-backing, but still - I can smell a really good mind. I'm no fan of cynicism, and vinegar ain't my thing, and Billy's got warehouses full of those.... but when he peeled off into other threads, on art and music and film and such, a lot of that dropped away. I suspect his brawls & history here have made him more that way than when he started, but who knows?

And I apologize for any "gratuitous snipe" I may have made. Yer avatar WORKS for God's sake. You're all smiling & got the flashing collar, so obviously.... it seeps in, and people are gonna feel like you're open to clowning. Won't happen again. (Joke. When I'm back, I'm gonna remind you every month or so about my narrowly defined persona and being a fictional character. And that "F" you got on working out fictional/real people. If you got a spouse, tell 'em this one. I want em to throw it back at you during domestic scraps.... )

Finally, the speed at which I came in happened because.... how to say this politely.... well, because I'm really freaking FAST, Genghis. Schools kinda reward the ability to read/think fast. I had a really good education, ok? You want the details? Match up "Floreat Magdalena" and "Brian Greene."

Now. Not only have I fucked up Billy's good-bye page (which I suspect - and hope, actually - is not his last), but YOU guys have shown yourselves not only to be utterly vulnerable to Billy's "performance art." Which means, Genghis - you. owe. me. beer.

And apologies to anybody else reading this, and having their eyes cross with confusion. Not my fault. Really!

A public chewing out. Ouch.

Quinn, you owe Genghis a beer for that! ;)

Quinn, I can't tell you how hard I'm laughing about this.

G, Seriously, he's not Billy or Blue Guy. I sort of suspected an alter ego at first too but I was wrong.

Same here. If quinn was someone's alter ego, that person would have to be really, really good. It'd be a waste of effort, which is almost a proof positive that quinn is real.

Christ. I wish the shirt had an alter ego. And to all the goody-two shoes around here, kiss my blueness, and anyone who knows my posts has seen my email several times. How is it no one talks about banning Moncia and Krankypants. I woudn't. I like them both. I like most everyone here. What's going on here is jealousy. Everyone knows it, no one says it. Some "rules" for some, others for others. No one would be discussing quinn if he weren't a good poster. And it's not true that people who show knowing too much are fakes. Plenty of people read and wait to join. There are all kinds of fakery, pettiness pretending to be concern is so low, it's embarrassing. I'd put ass-kissing below that,And what's the big deal The site is self-correcting. People hang with who they hang. Some are interesting, some are boring. Who cares. Get a fucking life.

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What's going on here is jealousy.

Word.

If I could even know you.........please........is that your real pic.........

Why do you even care what people think. That's the beginning of the end here. They like you or they don't. I was sure you were someone else, and when you're weren't I was sorry because I thought he had brought off a challenge. What does it matter to me
who you are. At some point you believe what's coming at you at you some level or you don't. It's the most interesting when you're talking to an unknown, the intellectual, artful and political mind behind the mask. Make no mistake, unless you post a fucking real picture of everyone, the whole place is fraudulent. The idea of blogging here isn't fucking face-book, it's the opposite. This is the boring stuff, the kind of thing that says to the mind, fuck this. I'm gone.

All right, all right, come to NY, and I'll definitely buy you a beer. If you're real, then yeah, it's fucking funny. I've been in a cranky (not crankypants) mood all week, so I'm more prickly than usual, but yeah, I can take a "swipe." However, since you and I had never conversed before, I assumed that you were someone else expressing a grudge. Since I half suspected that you were he-of-the-many-alter-egos already, and since BG is the only one I know around here to bear me a grudge--ergo BG. Yes, I'm sure that BG is as delighted by this as codegen. Whatever.

PS Glad's resignation letters date back to at least March. Back then, I was one of the ones encouraging him to stay.

I'm not going to hang with a guy that has a flashing shirt. He might not be taking his meds. And also, how is this fair to people in the ten-step program. It's an insult.

I don't say that I'm not invited, shirt, you just invited me.

Cypher, as yourself or as Billy Glad or as whomever, I don't care which, I hereby invite you for a drink.

The day you stand up for all the people here, and welcome all of them into this little place, I'll drink with you. But this nazi crap has to go. If you want to track people down for the intellectual side of it, the challenge of style, the fun of it, then fine. Others are doing it and having fun. If you want to ease off the Stalinist tactics, you can have a drink with me. Read my first post,

Suit yourself, comrade.