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Hillaryis44.org - Please consider the future

Hillaryis44.org - I am going to ask you to do something you won't like. It's not going to be comfortable - and I can understand why you won't want to do it.  I ask that you step back and attempt to separate your emotions from your impulse reactions.
First, here are a few points where we can both agree:
1)  The Bush administration has left a stain of blood and shame on this nation - and it will take a LOT of time and tireless work by true patriots to wipe that stain from our nation.
2)  That both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are good people who share similar ideals and morals, and despite their differences it is clear that they both want what is best for our nation.
3)  That no matter how much you want to avoid it - a political campaign is a dirty business.  The Obama supporters believe with all their hearts that they were the ones wronged by Hillary and her supporters.  As you well know, the Hillary supporters believe exactly the opposite.  Both sides believe it totally and completely, and can't understand how it could be viewed any other way.  How can that be?  There are only one set of facts - how can they be interpreted so very differently by two groups?  Obviously - because the prize is so great - and the candidates are both such good motivators that they have convinced us that every attack does not only impact the candidate - it impacts you and I as well.  We feel it no differently than a physical punch to the gut.  This is not true of the passive observer of this race (like my wife - who can't understand why I get so passionate and fired up) - but it does effect a good number of the vocal supporters like you and I. 
I was an ardent supporter of Hillary for President from the time she left the White House.   Her handling of the many controversies present during Bill's Presidency (whether they were real or made up by the wacko right wing) is something that has inspired millions of people.  She was railroaded by the criminally negligent right wing congress when she attempted to help out our Country and join the rest of the civilized world with a form of socialized healthcare.  She is a great woman, a role model, and a patriot.
But she's also made her mistakes.  I'm not going to list them here because this is not about criticism of her - but instead an appeal to her most vocal supporters who are threatening to do the unthinkable - to vote to continue the atrocities of the Bush Administration for another four years.
I have supported Senator Clinton for 8 years and donated to her Senatorial Campaign.  I personally believe she would have been President if she'd run in 2004 (I understood why she couldn't).  I was intrigued by the  Obama Nation although I admired the enthusiasm he was generating, but I stuck with my candidate.  
But I also committed to fall in line with my party once a nominee was selected (unless it was Mike Gravel - because I believe that would be one of the prophesies signaling the forthcoming apocolipse).  I was a Human being first, American second, Democrat third - and Hillary supporter fourth.  I couldn't imagine four or eight more years of Republican rule - especially with the near dictatorial powers the Bush administration bestowed upon themselves and on the office.  I couldn't stand any more torture, rendition, war, greed, corruption, rape of the constitution, murder of the bill of rights, war crimes and on and on and on that the Republican president would surely continue.  Why wouldn't they?  What reason would they have not to continue to bow to their corporate masters?  The answer - no reason at all.
I switched my temporary support from Senator Clinton to Senator Obama when I perceived her campaign as using tricks and tactics invented and honed by KKKarl Rove and the rest of the League of Evil known as the Republican party.  
I say temporary support because if Hillary won the nomination I would immediately and happily switch back because there is too much at stake this time to allow the Republicans to continue to destroy America.  But I also took the time to learn about my new candidate.  I did research and read his most recent book.   Now - I know what you are thinking - a book doesn't necessarily convey the honest thoughts of the writer - and almost always portrays the writer in the best possible light.   But it wasn't what he said that impressed me so much, it was how he thought.   You got a great insight into how he resolves a problem.   
That skill is one reason why he is going to make the best President we've had in a long time (and I hold Bill Clinton up pretty high on that list).  Barack Obama can and will restore the shine America used to have.  We are now dirty and bloody and are just as bad as the Countries we deem "Evil".  We used to be that "City on a hill" - the shining example of how to do it right (don't get me wrong - we've done MANY MANY MANY things wrong - but we're still working out the kinks - we're only a couple of hundred years old. ) Most of the rest of the World used to look to us and say "That's what I want".  And I believe our finest hour was during the Presidency of Bill Clinton.  We SHINED then.  There was no doubt that America was the Greatest Country in the World - and I mean NO DOUBT.  Peace, prosperity, technological advances such as the world has never seen, giant increases in home ownership (without the scams of the current administration), you get the picture - remember - you lived it.  
I honestly believe if you can look past your anger and disappointment (again - it's not just Hillary that lost something she wanted more than anything - it's you and each of her ardent supporters) you will see that our children deserve better than the Hillary supporters voting for John McCain.   
Hillaryis44.org and it's supporters - can you imagine if John McCain gets the opportunity to nominate two Supreme Court Judges?  What would that do to our Nation.  Those two positions are so much more important to our daily lives than the person sitting in the oval office.  But your supporters are so fired up and if they follow through with their promises (threats) to vote for McCain or write in Hillary or just stay home - everything that Hillary believes in will be lost.  Am I being over dramatic?  NO.  Our way of living is threatened by a McCain Presidency.  Our rights and freedoms and economic prosperity (ya right - we're all now just barely getting by - prosperity is a dream long dead for most of us) and even our safety is under siege.  John McCain and his evil party come across with their fearmongering and threaten that if a Democrat is elected - we'll all die.  Well - I'm going to borrow a page from them and say that if John McCain is elected - we will be so much less safe than if we elect Obama.  A McCain America probably won't even be recognizable in four years.
Bush has inspired so much more hatred in the terrorists than we ever had before.  They are more organized, more determined and more lethal than they've ever been.  And that was done by the party that promised to destroy them.  Many Republicans believe John McCain is so much more of a warmonger than Bush could ever be.  He openly calls Asians "gooks" and doesn't apologize for it.  Is he looking for revenge on the Vietnamese?  Does he just want to take out his pent up anger on Iran and nuke their  asses back to the stone age?   Note to McCain - Iran is changing not because of us but in spite of us.  If we bomb them or attack them now - we will give credence to the nut job Ahmadinejad that we are nothing more than the Great Satan we've been portrayed as for years.   
The average citizen in Iran is a good person (because people are inherently good and despite what the religious crazies try to shove down our throats, we don't need Jesus for that) and like each and every one of us doesn't want to lose their lives.  They especially  don't want to die needlessly in a war. 
When it's said by Fox and the other blood sucking vampires on the right that Iranians endorse Obama for President that should be seen as a good thing.  They, like us, want peace. They don't want some senile old man with an anger management problem who likes to joke and sing about killing them with bombs winning the election - especially at the hands of disgruntled Hillary supporters.  
Friends, fellow patriots, there is too much at stake this time to bite off our noses to spite our faces.   Our brave soldiers have fought and died to protect the America that you and I believe in - not the corrupt bastardized form of Government that the Bush administration has shoved down our throats.   It's time for you and I and every single Democrat, Independent and reasonable Republican to stand together behind our leaders.  While Barack Obama may be our President and the face of our Nation to the rest of the world (as well as the best person possible to inspire greatness from the masses) - there are so many more leaders in our party who will need to be at the top of their game in order to fix the mess left to us by the Bush/ Cheney crime families.  And at the top of that list will be Senator Clinton.  
She may be the VP (and the 45th President of the United States who's instrumental in the transformation of our Country from the bottom of the barrel where we are now to the shining example for the rest of the world to follow.  She may be the leader of a Senate that is controlled by Democrats who can finally restore our freedoms, bring the animals in this administration to justice, give us universal healthcare, and protect America by going after the right terrorists.  Or she might be a Supreme Court Judge who uses her natural talents and her unwillingness to compromise on her beliefs to give us a fighting chance against Bush's appointees.  The bottom line is that America needs Hillary Clinton.  And America needs the Clinton supporters to let go of their anger and to support Barack Obama.  


Comments (31)

Bloink! I JUST got the meaning of their website name!... referring to the # of president she would be... oh.... that's been bugging me.

Hm... too late, peeples.

THANK YOU!!! I'd never gotten the name of the website either :-)

I've been worried about McCain's anger management, or lack thereof. But I supposed it to be:
1) part dysfunctional family history (McCain says, as if it were completely normal, that his parents went to a dinner party minutes after learning he had been shot down, and did not mention it to their dinner companions);
2) part irrevocable psychic damage caused by his five years of excrutiating captivity.
However, until I read your thoughtful piece, I had not put two and two together (duh) to see how dangerous it would be for McCain to be in charge of foreign policy in the Far East, as well as in the Middle East.
God help us. We have enough global problems without completely and totally alienating Korea and China.
Thanks for this observation, as well as your many others.

Great post!

I will tag onto this. Where does healing begin?

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/06/where-does-healing-begin.php

I apologize in advance for the formatting of this post but please take a read.

It's going to be very unpleasant to read comments if everyone starts pimping their own blog entries in comments to blog entries.

HillaryIs44 won't let me post even a mildly unifying message on their forums. Any talk of bringing the party together for the good of all is off limits. I don't think they're in any mood to be reasonable.

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They know the rabbit is a cat.

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The site HAS to be a performance art thing.

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I went over to this site a few times and I believe that it is a decoy site or whatever you want to call it, a way to rile Hillary's supporters up by making them believe that they are united against Obama, so that they either don't vote or vote for McCain. In other words, pro-Republican. I believe this because there are actually very few posters (I read an analysis -- under 300 a few of whom post 50 or more times a day). They do not permit ANY, even mildly pro-Obama posts, even in comparison to many clearly authentic pro-Hillary sites (e.g., Talk Left). It is therefore very closely policed -- not the usual hallmarks of an organically created fan site.

Wasn't this the site that was registered to a Republican fund-raiser or something?

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The people on these sites, and now camile's are extremists. They even turned AGAINST Taylor Marsh for the "audacity" of supporting the Democratic Party instead of McCain. These people proclaim themselves the REAL democratic party and are vowing to vote McCain to prove how the DNC has wronged them. They say that explicitly.

Hillary's and Marsh's comments about the way the primary has gone and their very negative comments against Obama along with positive comments about McCain have put these extremist supporters on the warpath and anything they try to say now to reverse the damage they did will be met with skepticism and conspiracies about how they "are being forced to" say such things. They are out of the control of even Hillary herself.

These types of comments are already out there. Anything Hillary says in support of the DNC or Obama is met with talk of how she's being "strong-armed" into doing it. She did such a good job making them loyal, she has no control over them at all in their frenzy.

I just cannot understand how someone who espoused Hillary's ideals and stances on issues could then turn around and, instead of supporting a candidate who is nearly identical on the issues, supports one who is nearly a polar opposite. Out of childish spite even.

Statements exactly like: "Hillary Clinton, can defeat John McCain. Barack Obama cannot defeat John McCain. Only a suicidal Democratic? Party would nominate Barack Obama." show that these people are only interested in doing their best to damage anyone or any organization they feel has wronged Hillary (and via their personality cult, them personally) and the ends justify the means.

They cultivate a "true faith" myth, saying things like "No Democrat that cares about the issues should vote for Barack Obama." as if they are the only real Democrats, and yet they will vote for Republicans to "punish" the DNC for heresy (i.e. not installing Hillary).

An example quote: "as for the superdelegates, just an FYI, we have the list with your names, you will be held accountable on Election Day and beyond, too."

They've even produced a new semi-organization called "PUMA (Party Unity My Ass)" and have joined any number of McCain support sites.

In reality, it seems they have no real interest or agreement with whatever stances on issues Hillary had, they only stood for HER as Hillary, regardless of what she stood for, did, said, or whatever. They want her as President and any enemy of someone who gets in her way is a friend to them, regardless of how divergent.

It is a deep irony that the hardened Hillary supporters accuse Obama people of being cultists, when they are ready to ignore everything Hillary believes in as a way of "supporting" her.

Their numbers will die down. I think there's only a couple hundred people who post on that site in the first place. There are a few thousand who trafficked to His44, TalkLeft, NoQuarter, and Taylor Marsh and all turned into spitting racists. Most of them will probably vote for McCain, Barr (oh, the irony. Anyone remember Barr's role in impeachment) or write Hillary in. It's too bad, but I think 90% of Hillary's true supporters will see that the best way to help her is to elect a Democrat as president. I trust Obama can ferret out enough new voters to make up for the 5,000 crazy-pantses.

I tried to post a comment on the PUMA site. I asked for someone to create a blog post that describes their view of the long- and short-term ramifications of a McCain presidency vs. an Obama presidency, and for a policy-based description of why I should vote for McCain.

My comment didn't pass the moderator.

Oh well.

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Nope, they aggressively delete comments, even if asking a real question with no negativity. No room for questioning anything.

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Thank you for this post.

A vote for McCain is a vote to stack the SCOTUS with justices that will overturn Roe v. Wade.

It's a vote for as much more war with Iraq as possible and war with Iran on top of it.

It's a vote to prevent health care as a right that all citizens are not only entitled to, but in reality can obtain.

It's a vote against nearly everything that Hillary stands for.

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And yet, for these extremists, a vote for McCain is a vote against the people that "hurt" them "personally" by not giving Hillary the nomination. They believe that the election was stolen and are looking for revenge and the opportunity to simply say "told you so". Disregard for issues and all that comes with it is not even in their minds, they want "payback" and any cost.

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It would be worth doing a whosis analysis of Hillaryis44.org and other such "organizations."

It does seem likely that they, or some of them,
are Republican dirty trick stuff.

Like the racist "shouting lady" at the rules meeting last week.

Alternatively, for any that are hers, Clinton needs to not only shut them down, but call them out by real name.

Somehow you gotta just appreciate the "charming" Ms. Gonzales' "florid" writing style over at Stop-Obama.org:

We, Clinton followers and supporters, are not the mental dwarfs and intellectual sluts populating the Hussein0 circus. Not only will we not countenance the travesty of this deplorable Democratic primary, we will hit back, and show you this Wringley Brothers assortment of the grotesque and marginal, who the real Boss is.

Clinton is holding the cards of this shabby party’s future, and nothing short of confession, grief, prayer and penitence, should prevent her from letting the guillotine do its work.

Hussein0 has heralded a revolution - but the keys to the Bastille, are in our hands - as is the fervor to overthrow the media-DNC regime which has humiliated, belittled, and disenfranchised us. We call on Clinton, to let it rip.


http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=526

A hopeful sign is that the mods of that site seem to tolerate some critical comments, though I'm still waiting to see if mine gets through.

That has to be Republican trash. If it's not, let's hope there really aren't that many people so warped by this primary as to internalize that shit their spewing over there. What a silly website.

Wringley Brothers?
The keys to the Bastille, are in our hands?

I suppose they mean to cite the Ringling Brothers & Barnum & Bailey Circus.

The Bastille prison's keys were in the hands of the minions of the French Monarchy, the objects of scorn that precipitated the French Revolution. Wouldn't that put the Clinton Followers on the wrong side of the uprising they struggle to depict?

I'm just an elitist bastard, I suppose.

And when the French Revolution began with the Storming of the Bastille, the guys holding the keys were treated to some fairly rough treatment. Maybe they're just masochists? Maybe it's just satire? In any event, it just doesn't seem genuine, from the silly prose to the quasi-professional style pics of the contributors. I'm not buying it. Are there disaffected Clinton supporters? Of course, but methinks there are Republican guerilla warfare tactics being employed here.

Yeah, a concern for details and consistency certainly puts us in the elitist camp. But the good news is that my comment (along with a few other critical ones) got posted. :o)

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I don't understand the purpose of this well-written but incredibly lengthy post. To whom is this addressed? I was one of the most outspoken supporters of Hillary Clinton at this website for months. I have never once visited this Hillaryis44 website. What's the big deal if some zealots have a website; look at the nutcases still acting like chimpanzees fighting over bananas in Election Central today. Do you expect Hillaryis44 folks to read this and change their tune?

BTW, HillaryIs404.org.

Oh sweet lord I'm so jealous that I didn't think of that.


There's been a lot of speculation that Hillaryis44 is a GOP-run website that has succeeded in roping in and sowing dissent among vulnerable unsuspecting supporters. An recent analysis by a diarist at DKos discovered that the 100,000 posts at HI44 were posted by a meager 310 users:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/24/163437/416/562/522170
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/1/132911/1511/458/526358

A GOP-run site? Years ago I might have thought: Hmmmm. But right now, I don't think the GOP has anyone savvy enough to pull of something like that. If they did, McCain's Web presence wouldn't be the mess that it is.

If they would let me post it, I would love to ask why they will vote for McCain. Are their memories that short?

Let's compare his earlier actions about Clinton and his glowing tues night speech. Hell let's have a little green screen fun

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I did ask that, politely, on the new site (camille424.wordpress.com/) for those exodusing from TaylorMarsh.com because of her support for the DNC. Any simple question like that, no matter how polite and non-attacking of Hillary is quickly called out as a troll and almost immediately deleted.

I just took a peek at that blog -- wuoah!! Amazing! Those folks are donating to John Kerry's opponent, stopped reading newspapers, and are spinning some pretty wild conspiracy theories. How can anyone read this stuff and not think that these folks are going off the deep end (or have already gone off it)?

There was a doctoral student in another thread who is doing research on fringe groups. I'd love to hear what s/he has to say about camille242.

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