« previous | TPM CAFÉ READER POSTS HOME | next »
Hello - Can we talk more about Cheney's plan to attack Iran
Hello - Can we talk more about Cheney's plan to attack Iran and less about summer reading?
Advertisement

« previous | TPM CAFÉ READER POSTS HOME | next »
Hello - Can we talk more about Cheney's plan to attack Iran and less about summer reading?
Comments (15)
Your Democratic Congress just approved the funding for it. Does anyone really think we have two parties anymore?
June 30, 2008 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
So it's my fault? It's not "my Democratic Congress". Anyway, it was not the Democratic Congress. It was the moronic cowardly Democratic leadership that approved the $400 million.
June 30, 2008 10:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. But we're still waiting for you to tell us what Cheney's plan is. Is it what Hersh says it is, or do you have your own ideas about what Cheney is planning?
July 1, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have nothing against summer reading lists, but I wouldn't mind talking more about Cheney's plan to attack Iran than whether or not McCain's military experience is "really really important" or is it just "really important?"
June 30, 2008 10:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, don't look at me; I feel like the One Tin Sailor trying to drum up interest on-topic. :-/
For what it's worth, I'm presently passing around the fellow-old-&-cranky Charley Reese's latest screed:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20197.htm
I'm afraid that part of the "problem" is that, with Cheney/the Likudnik's ultimate wet dream having been threatened (and postponed) for so long, we've each developed a certain sense of Iran Outrage (or, mayhaps Likudnik Lunacy). Sadly -and rest assured- such a mindset shall not serve to deliver us from the evil (and horrors) once the hounds of hell are loosed. :-(
June 30, 2008 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
But it's very patriotic.
June 30, 2008 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
By the by.. not to belabor the point -- but I neglected to attach the "money quote":
Attacking Iran would be folly, but we seem to be living in the Age of Folly. Morons and idiots took us into an unjustified war against Iraq before we had finished the job in Afghanistan. Now we have troops tied down in both countries.
For some years now, I've worried that we seem to be more and more like Colonial England – arrogant, racist, overestimating our own capacity and underestimating that of our enemies. As the fate of the British Empire demonstrates, that is a fatal flaw.
The British never dreamed that the "little yellow people" could come ashore by land and take Singapore from the rear or that they would sink the pride of the British fleet, but they did both.
I suppose no one in Washington can imagine the Iranians sinking one of our carriers in the Persian Gulf. How'd you like to be the president who has to tell the American people that we've lost a carrier for the first time since World War II?
June 30, 2008 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, but when the British Empire collapsed they had an ally - us. Ours might be more like the fall of the Roman Empire. It might not be a single carrier. It could be the entire financial system.
June 30, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Further by the by... I spent 103 days & 86 days respectively nearly 3 decades ago cruising circles in those seas aboard a CV (aircraft carrier - Gulf of Aden; Gulf of Oman; Indian Ocean).
NEVER did our admirals risk our safety by putting our vessel into the Persian Gulf proper -- it is a deathtrap -- there is NO room to freakin' maneuver! To realize that CheneyBush are putting thousands of our sailors at mortal peril by doing so tells me all I need to know: these people are batshit crazy, who have absolutely NO regard for the servicemen & women under their charge.
I hope, somewhere, a conscious-stricken JAG is typing up the requisite legal docs in preparation for the horrible miscarriage of justice I fear looms on the horizon. Cheney may get away with blowing up the basement of the Naval Observatory, perhaps - but not the mindless slaughter of his naval forces!
Damn right I'm seething over this!
June 30, 2008 11:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
My guess is that the point of provocation is ... well, provocation. I'm sure the Iranians are too smart to take the bait, unless, of course, they just can't wait for martyrdom. Don't we have a tradition of starting our wars with naval casualties?
July 1, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
*argghhh!!*
Add obligatory kvetching re formatting issues. :-/
June 30, 2008 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you think he has a plan, Tom, or just an intention? How do you see the plan unfolding? What should we be watching for? What do you think the attack will look like if and when it comes? Would it be better if we attacked Iran or if Israel did? How do you think the recent success in negotiations with North Korea will effect plans to attack Iran? Let's talk.
July 1, 2008 7:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Have you read Hersh's article in the New Yorker? Do we have the option of saying it would be better if no one attacked Iran? The success of negotiations with North Korea shows that Obama's idea of talking to Iran is the correct one. I don't think Cheney gives a damn what anyone thinks except for his demented self.
July 1, 2008 7:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sure I read it. My point is, you want to talk, but you don't seem to have much to say. How about some more of what you think.
So NK shows Obama is right? I'm afraid you just lost cred with me, my friend. Looks like you're going to be one of those guys who thinks everything that happens is excellent news for Obama. I'd say NK set him back quite a bit. Doubt we'll hear him talking about unconditional summits again.
How are you going to keep Israel from attacking Iran if Iran goes forward with its nuclear program?
July 1, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
What I want t talk about is how to stop Cheney from using his alternate command from attacking Iranian nuclear installations. You seem to want to make debating points. Sorry I don't meet your high standards. Well, I don't have any cred with you and I'm not impressed with the way you address an issue. So I guess that makes us even.
July 1, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Post a Comment