From what I can tell, HillaryIs44 has an active reader base of about 34 people, and no dissenting viewpoints are allowed to be posted on the site. Self-brainwashing through the use of the echo chamber effect. That's at least one of the things wrong with those people.

OMG! I had never looked at that site before but it is vile. They are like those rabid-right-wing-nuts that bomb abortion clinics. People like this scare the hell out of me. They should not be allowed to breed.

I checked out some comments over there, out of my own twisted curiosity. Nasty and cruel. For my own mental health, I really need to stay away from that site.

There have always been people out there who are incapable of empathy, incapable of seeing the world from any viewpoint other than their tiny sliver of it. These people used to be appropriately shunned in public. The internet gives them a new voice, but the response should still be shunning. They are a small, miserable little group and are best ignored except as psychology experiments.

I don't guess it would do any good to point out that the same us vs. them mentality is being shown here, would it? Of course, there were many vicious attacks on Russert here as well yesterday, but they were deleted (I can imagine some of the copmments here if Stephanoupolis had died). I don't know about that particular site, but Clinton-leaning sites like Talkleft have been more civil and respectful of others than TPM by magnitudes during the primary. The continued holier-than-thou attitude and hatred here towards Hillary (even if more subtle and subdued since those voters are now needed) and voters who don't revere Obama bears that out.

Ok I think this has to be approached like triage.
Cat 1) Democrats who also happened to support Hillary.
No need for real help, understand that both candidates are better then the rethug. No need to welcome them back, they have
always been here fighting for justice.
Cat 2)Not normally involved in politics but motivated by women candidate. May need a little help expanding what they care about but generally good people who have no trouble seeing that there is nothing sexist about Senator Obama's campaign. With very little effort see that Obama is the best change for all americans to live the dream.
Cat 3)Hillary44(dijamo) crowd. Really just move on. There is really nothing to do. These people are beyond psychopathic. Every event in life is passes through a reality filter thats impervious to truth, honest discussion, or compromise. You agree or you are Hitler. Every counter point is liked to 'rape' or 'abuse'.( Which as anyone who has actually ever been raped, and or abused can attest to there is NOTHING LIKE!!! rape or abuse) I pray that these people do not reproduce, or adopt. For humanity as a whole we do not have the time or resources to waste on bringing these 'people' into the discourse on how to make our world better. Hate is a type of slow suicide. As long as we protect ourselves these people will slowly just disappear to the better of us all.

I believe that H44 is a GOP dirty tricks web site. This is a gut feel with no real evidence. Has anyone been able to trace the operator's identity past the proxy that appears on whois?

"Clinton-leaning sites like Talkleft have been more civil and respectful of others than TPM by magnitudes during the primary."

This is snark, right? Because the few times I tried posting on TalkLeft to voice a dissenting opinion ( and I went to extraordinary lengths to abide by their posting policies btw - no personal insults, etc...) not only were my comments deleted, by my entire profile was deleted, along with every comment I'd ever made there.

So what is Hillary's loss in the primary race karma for?

Must be the ugly nature of her fanatic followers. They won't be happy until Obama loses and McCain's Supreme Court appointees enable the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

they think Obama is sexist? An unauthorized biography says McCain uses the 4 letter c-bomb on his, and here's a link to the "other" Mrs. McCain's story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

Go sisters, cut your own throats. Shakespeare ("H*ll hath no fury like a woman scorn") and Euripides (whose play Medea is about a woman who kills her own children to get back at her husband) had a clue about women like this.

I think what you have hear is a failure to communicate.... these women are not neccessarily emotionally able to express who they are really mad at, and why they relate to Hillary so thoroughly. And I use the word "mad" purposefully. They have either been abused as children, have been abused by cheatin' husbands, or are in an extreme amount of denial and are in abusive relationships now.

The old addage that the lowest one on the totem pole gets the rage in a family - if the parents are abusive, the kids will kick the dog... it's a little of that. The web is the "lowest man on the totem pole". They can engage in confronting someone without actually confronting them - there are no repercussions.... no one hits back. So they rage on - it may be the only safe place they have to rage.

just a thought

And what you do is what? Anonymous counseling? That's kind of funny, don't you think?

Man, I can't even begin to understand kind of hatred. Clinton needs to step forward and speak directly to these people.

They're back at it today, with a long piece called "Meet the Hypocrites," defending their hard-heartedness by characterizing Russert's death as the "death of someone most people barely knew or cared about" and mocking Keith Olbermann's emotional tribute by saying that they were sure that "Keith Olbermann...would squeeze out some tears on air in order to make himself a contender for Russert's throne."

What really gets under my skin about this group, though, is their idiotic contention that the whole primary system was rigged and that the nomination was "stolen" by Obama. They'd do well to perhaps recall the lessons I'm sure they've tried to teach their children about how to lose gracefully in life, and once they've done that, perhaps they could then GET A LIFE!

And by the way, they'd do well to update their current, grammatically-challenged domain name (hillaryis44.com) to something more accurate. A few suggestions:

hillarylost.com
aintgonnahappen.net
stopcryingoverspiltmilk.org
werenotreallydemocrats.net
werebitterbutweremean.com

Feel free to chime in...

The sites like that one or No Quarter do not represent the vast majority of those who voted for Clinton but they are not comparable to this site or Kos. I use to think we were sometimes ruder than needed about Clinton until I stumbled onto a thread at NQ one day and I learned what hate was, learned what smears were.

Most who voted for Clinton did not loathe Obama though some do for their own reasons. However much of what you hear from Dems who say they will vote for McCain were said by the Clinton campaign for a long time, often by Hillary herself.
For instance she has compared Obama to a Blank Screen, to bush, to rove, compared his experience unfavorably to McCain, often said he has done nothing, he gives good speeches. She brought up Farrakhan and Hamas, made Ayers and bombs sound close and dangerous and like he was lying about it...
Repeated many times that while he was good at words he didn't keep his word.
Oh...and that she was the real winner who they kept trying to force out.

People should know this is just negative campaigning, just the style she chose to use but a lot of people believe what she said about him, they repeat it. They dislike Obama and are angry at the party and the media
She endorsed him, good. I heard her and I thought her avid folks would get angrier that she was "forced" to do that...and that is indeed what they say. I know she can't really say "Oh that unqualified, empty, dishonest, dangerous stuff...just kidding"

That doesn't compare to what the campaign did behind the scenes. I like to hope she'd tell hillary44 to cut it out but her official site linked to No Quarter that is a pure hate site. (Don't know if it still does)
That is the bad part about negative campaigning within your own party. There are consequences and we are seeing them.