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FISA: A Perspective
Many of you aren't going to like this post. As such I feel the need to preface by saying that my support for Obama is unwavering. I have contributed what I can, have an online fundraising page, will attend a fundraiser today and will be hosting one myself next month (house parties across America being organized by TPM readers Ghengis and California Paige). My inclination is to just say fine to the FISA bill as it stands now because my candidate supports it as is if necessary. I hear the progressive argument that this is a cave and it sets a bad precedent for our right to freedom from unwarranted searches. So I've been holding off on deciding how I felt about it and looking a little further into what's involved.
I just want to put a little perspective on the retroactive immunity portion and why it scares the shit out of me. We aren't talking here about Bush going to some telcos and saying "here is a list of 5,000 names, we think these people are suspicious and want their phone records without a warrant". The wiretapping goes so way far beyond that. It's astounding really. What we do know is that at least one large carrier, Verizon, provided a MASSIVE circuit that was dedicated completely for the use of the NSA to indiscriminately listen on ANY call (and text messages and Internet activity) they felt necessary by ANY of their subscribers. Doesn't that put at least a little chill in your freedom loving bones?
Here is a little info on what was discovered by whistleblowers. From a Security Focus article
The consultant, Babak Pasdar, stated in an affidavit that during a job
securing the network of a large, but unnamed, cellular
telecommunications carrier in 2003, he came across evidence of a 45
Mbps network tap referred to as the "Quantico circuit" that had
complete access to the company's network and on which the company did
not want any monitoring. The third party, about whose identity Pasdar
did not speculate, likely had access to the cellular providers
fraud-detection system, text messaging system, Web applications and
Internet communications coming from or going to any of the provider's
mobile phones, Pasdar stated in the affidavit.
The unnamed carrier above is Verizon.
Here is some info on what AT&T provided:
These revelations mirror those of
AT&T whistleblower Mark Klein, who revealed that the super
secretive National Security Agency had been given access by AT&T
management to install "splitters" for the Agency hard-wired to an NSA
"secure" room in the company's central office in San Francisco.
According to Klein,
"In short, an exact copy of all
internet traffic that flowed through critical AT&T cables--emails,
documents, pictures, web browsing, Voice over-internet phone
conservations, everything--was being diverted to equipment inside the
secret room. In addition the documents reveal the technological gear
used in their secret project, including a highly sophisticated search
component capable of quickly sifting through huge amounts of digital
data (including text, voice and images) in real time according to
pre-programmed criteria.
It's important to understand that the
internet links which were connected to the splitter contained not just
foreign communications but vast amounts of domestic traffic, all mixed
together. Furthermore, the splitter has no selective abilities--it's
just a dumb device which copies everything to the secret room. And the
links going through the splitter are AT&T's physical connections to
many other internet providers (e.g., Sprint, Qwest, Global Crossing,
Cable & Wireless, and the critical West Coast Internet Exchange
Point known as Mae West). Since these networks are interconnected, the
government surveillance affects not only AT&T customers but
everyone else--millions of Americans.
I also discovered in my conversations
I don't seem to be able to get out of blockquote mode here but the remainder are my words. Just about everything goes over AT&T lines, regardless of the telco because AT&T built the national network back when it was a monopoly. So even though Qwest refused to release records their subscriber's data was tapped in transit when traversing AT&T lines.
with other technicians that other "secret rooms" were established in
Seattle, San Jose, Los Angeles and San Diego. One of the documents I
obtained also mentions Atlanta, and the clear inference in the logic of
this setup, and the language of the documents, is that there are other
such rooms across the country to complete the coverage--possibly 15 to
20 or more." (Mark Klein, "Reject Amnesty for Telecoms," Electronic Frontier Foundation)
We will never know to what extent this was used without being able to sue for information. We can't opt out of our contracts, even though the terms were violated, without paying the fine. We can't request any refunds for the same reasons. I'm not particularly concerned about refunds and fines but I do want to know what was gathered, how it was analyzed and what was done with the information. I want the communications providers involved to know that it is illegal and there should be consequences. I want the known entity.
I understand that we must not loose this election. I understand that if Obama fought the immunity portion McCain will try to use that to portray him as soft on terror. I'm not going to rail against him and his decision here but I'd like to point out that many who voted for the war did so primarily because they were concerned with being portrayed as soft on terror.
Lets hope this is the last time that argument will work.








Comments (15)
This blockquote to the end is very frustrating. I hope the last portion which is my own and not a quote gets read. I hate it when the formatting gets messed up.
June 28, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
So what does the H.R. 3773 amendment do?
June 28, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not the Telco immunity amendment...but 3773.
June 28, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
It establishes needed guidelines for surveillance and it is necessary. I'm speaking only to the telco immunity part and why I have reservations about accepting the legislation with that portion included.
June 28, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you rather have the loopholes that exist?
June 28, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course not, but it's not impossible to have the bill written properly and have the telco immunity removed. That's what I want. Your argument suggests that we can only close the loopholes by giving the telcos immunity.
June 28, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
My argument?
I've only raised questions.
So what do you sugguest? No compromise if the bill comes to the floor of the Senate as is?
June 28, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suggest that Barack sticks to what he said:
Filibustering any bill that grants immunity for the Telecoms.
At least voting not to it. Definitely, not voting YES, as he is ready to.
June 28, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't ask you the question. I asked Bademus to see if he had really thought things through.
Look Sotadeoros, everyone knows you're a paid provocateur. Don't hurt yourself trying to conceal the obvious. Also, don't think that because you're being ignored you're really making a point that can't be challenged.
Most just don't want to deal with your bullshit walk.
June 29, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, dear!
That was a pretty rude answer. This is a public forum, after all.
This is not only a lie, its is also a non-argument.
I have actually posted here all throughout the Primaries, as Lookingin, supporting Obama. I still support him AND I am dissapointed if he votes yes to a bill granting immunity. May I?
This post might be of interest to all of us:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/06/the-tpm-comment-poliicy.php
There really is no need to insult each other. But it is true that if you so choose, I can't stop you.
June 29, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bademus, you say:
But I think you always knew how you felt about it: It is wrong.
These past few days you have simply been giving Obama the benefit of the doubt.
What was wrong before he was elected -so wrong that he planned to filibuster a bill with telecom immunity- is still wrong.
What the hell is he thinking?
Many here frame this in terms of choosing a lesser evil, so as to win the GE. Can any of you explain to me why opposing the granting of telecom immunity is a risk to winning the GE?
I don't get it.
Whatever happened to not letting Corporations dictate policy??
I just wonder: How many $$$ are the Telecoms dealing out to lobbyists, senators and representatives??
June 28, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's easy to look up, ORC.
But the bigger point is Charlie Black's involvement in the pushing of the bill to republicans.
June 29, 2008 8:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hopefully, people will watch how Obama votes THIS TIME. They certainly seemed to ignore his less-than-pacifist voting history on Iraq!
June 29, 2008 3:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
We're too busy watching McCain's vote on bills.
Let all the commentary against Obama build. Also allow McCain to keep making missteps in commentary that somehow is overlooked.
We haven't had a debate yet. It'll give Obama his platform to explain to the public his position on issues PLUS show that he is not offended by the constant character smears. The debates will be PAINFUL payback for McCain. Go tell him I said that.
You wish you could believe in your employer, McCain, that way. Don't you?
June 29, 2008 8:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for an informative post.
June 29, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
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