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Facilitating the Facile
Facilitrix still has no earthly idea what she is talking about. The Episcopal Bishop of California plainly stated that he wished his priests not marry any couples until the Church itself granted full marriage equality. Until then, the Bishop urged all couples to marry in civil ceremonies and have their unions blessed in their parishes.
Facile seems to have a problem understanding the unambiguous meaning of Bishop Andrus's words. Today's SF Chronicle had no such problem and neither do I:
Creating equality for allBishop Marc Andrus, who leads a six-county Bay Area diocese based in San Francisco, is recommending a split between civil and church weddings to create equality for all.
Andrus is suggesting that all couples go to county clerks' offices or have a purely civil ceremony elsewhere. As a second step, Andrus is advising that they return to the church for a blessing. Andrus is recommending that all couples - regardless of sexual orientation - use one of the three rites approved for same-sex blessings.
"This allows the church to focus on what is genuinely spiritual about marriage and leaves the legal parts that have to do with registering and legal rights - which are tremendously important, and why we're supporting this ruling - in the hands of the state," he said.
Andrus said it is part of a natural order that churches might lead the state, and that the state might lead the church.
"We seek to intently follow Christ, but we don't contain Christ," Andrus said. "Christ transcends the boundaries of the church. ... It's not a surprise to me that the culture is going to manifest Christ in a way that summons the church to new realities. I really welcome that. I think that's the way it's meant to be."
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Comments (15)
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/15/MNJH1180B8.DTL
Facilitatrix might try knowing what she's are talking about before she speaks again
Works for me
June 15, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Interim measures" are not the same as "no longer." In English, they mean different things.
If the reporter is accurate in characterizing the Bishop's decision as permanent, this recommendation is a change from the Bishop's letter. He must have seen your post in TPM Cafe, thought about your interpretation "no longer," and changed his initial intention for an "interim measure" and opted for your interpretation as his "permanent answer."
Wow. You win. Good work!
June 15, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh it was nothing. I pretty much always do. But as I said, it's easy provided you know what you are talking about before you talk
Corollary: When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging
June 15, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, not the brightest of bulbs there, eh?
FWIW, Fac, I am with you.
(Maybe he likes you. Seems a tad personal, no?)
June 15, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just hope he doesn't put a worm down my back in Geography class.
June 16, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Bishop's Letter in Full:
Next time you come to a battle of wits
Come armed
June 15, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Interim measures" ...until the Episcopal Church recognizes the Sacarment of Marriage of same sex couples as valid
You are dumber than a stump
June 15, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't he a doll?
http://episcopalbayarea.org/joomla/images/stories/Institution/bishop_andrus.jpg
I'd marry Bp Andrus if he wasn't already ..and wasn't hetero
June 15, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please excuse my inability to ascertain: Are you protesting or supporting this action?
June 15, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aunt Sam,
I've given too much of my time to Mr. McCutchen, hoping that he could see that my point about his initial post was linguistic understanding. I didn't express any opinion about the Bishop's letter and subsequent statement to the press.
I am bothered by the purposeful misinterpretation and perversion of what people say through cherry-picking and ignoring obvious linguistic meaning in order to make it into something that fits an agenda. When I see this occurring, I don't let it lie.
It may be that I am misinterpreting Mr. McCutchen, because often satire and irony are difficult to recognize, especially when they are done ham-fistedly. That said, I believe that Mr. McCutchen is unhappy with the Bishop's proposal. Perhaps same-sex marriage offends his sensibilities. Perhaps he wishes that the Episcopal Church still used the 1928 version of The Book of Common Prayer, or maybe even the 1662 version. Whatever the reason, he's angry enough about it to mock the Bishop of California, call me names, and threaten you.
I'm finished with him. But watch your back, Aunt Sam. If you feel harassed by him, use the SEND COMMENTS AND NEWS TIPS button at the top of the page and direct the email to Andrew Golis. He's the one who monitors trolls and harassment. Let him know what's happened, and he may well take some action.
Oh, by the way. I think the Bishop's decision is a good one. He seems to be following a "what would Jesus do?" way of making decisions.
June 15, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. I was pretty sure he wasn't PRO this action.
I was raised Episcopalian and support this action.
That said, I will say a prayer for Mr. McCSF.
(I must have missed his threat directed towards me. Ho Hum.)
June 15, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Civil marriage rites rather than religious marriage rites were once the norm in America. The colonist @ Plymouth opted for civil ceremonies and the other New England colonies followed suit. I have no idea when this changed, but it was a change for the worse.
June 15, 2008 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. In my opinion, the government should not be decreeing who should and shouldn't be able to be 'married' (age exception noted). Religious communities/religions can have their own guidelines for conducting wedding ceremonies, but 'the state' should recognize civil unions (i.e. marriage) equally. 'Equal rights for all'....I believe in the separation of church and state when it comes to the 'rights' of equal benefits, status, etc.
June 15, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bay Area Reporter - Episcopal Diocese Approves Rites for Same Sex Blessings
June 15, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is just a test to see if it posts. I'm finding it possible to respond to another "below the fold" post and other problems with the site. so please excuse.
June 15, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
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