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Because of DNC ruling.... Hillary is winning popular vote.......
Popular Vote which includes Michigan, Florida and Caucus Results..... Clinton is winning by 52,000 votes.
Popular Vote which includes Michigan, Florida but does not included Caucus Results...... Clinton is winning by 163,000 votes.
After Puerto Rico, Montana, South Dakota finish voting, Hillary Clinton will still finish the race with the most popular vote.
The super delegates will have a choice, they can side with the person who won the popular vote or side with the person who won the most pledged delegates...... however, one question that the super delegates really need to think about.... ARE THEY WINNING TO OVER TURN THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE????
Barack Obama is only winning the popular vote, if you don't count Michigan & Florida..... but if you chose not to count michigan and florida, then you have to not count the pledged delegates and super delegates that he has won from both states.
Comments (24)
Because of silly Hillary supporters like you, people think the popular vote might really matter.
Do you have a hat, by the way?
June 1, 2008 1:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
if you chose not to count michigan and florida in the popular vote, then you have to not count the pledged delegates and super delegates that he has won from both states..... that is all i have to say to you.
June 1, 2008 1:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you choose to sleep and laugh and then spit nonsense here at TPM in your spare time, then yes, you must be sleeping already and having a bad dream.
Wake up.
The popular vote DOES NOT MATTER. The delegates do.
June 1, 2008 1:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
If the DNC ruling is your reason for counting the popular vote from those states, then you should divide the popular vote in half, and you should give Obama credit for the uncommitteds in Michigan. Otherwise you're not doing anything at all like what the DNC ruling authorized.
But of course this popular vote talk is all smoke and mirrors. There's no official definition of "popular vote." Hillary defines it in a way that clearly has nothing to do with measuring the "will of the people."
And she's entirely free to do that, but fortunately the superdelegates aren't as stupid as she seems to be assuming. They aren't falling for these transparently bogus arguments.
Then again, I suspect the superdelegates are not and never were the target audience for those transparently bogus arguments. The audience for those arguments would be her own supporters, so that she can work them up into a frenzy of disgruntlement.
June 1, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
lol.... i said winning when i should have said willing..... i must be sleeping already....lol
June 1, 2008 1:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well then, I'll let sleeping dogs lie.
June 1, 2008 1:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
I just want to let everybody know, for historical reference, that June 1 was the day an explosion at a coal mine killed 236 in Fukuoka, Japan.
I just automatically think of June 1 as Fukuoka, Japan Coal Mine Disaster Day, in case that ever pops up in conversation and it seems inexplicable or inappropriate to you.
That's just how I remember it's June 1.
So don't freak out or make a big deal out of it if I bring it up.
June 1, 2008 1:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fukuoka, as in, I don't give a fukuoka about who wins this election, as long as it's the smartest Democrat?
Well said.
I'm still awaiting your 365-page desk-top calendar, BTW.
June 1, 2008 1:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is the Democratic party we're talking about and -- more to the point -- Democratic party politicians and party hacks.
They will always pick the path of least resistance, no matter the issue, and voting for the pledged delegate leader is the path of least resistance.
June 1, 2008 2:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary has consistently stood up for the voters of Michigan and Florida. She, like you, has insisted that the voice of all Americans be heard. Today, the DNC's Rules and Bylaws Committee announced their decision on seating Florida and Michigan's delegations. In recent days, almost 350,000 of Hillary's supporters wrote in to the committee to make clear what an important principle it is for our party to count every vote.
Our campaign has released an official statement about the results of the Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting and I'd like to share it with blogHillary readers. I know how passionate Hillary's supporters are about the importance of counting every vote cast in Florida and Michigan and I hope that they continue to express their feelings with the respect and thoughtfulness they've shown during the course of this campaign.
Harold Ickes and Tina Flournoy made the following statement:
Today’s results are a victory for the people of Florida who will have a voice in selecting our Party’s nominee and will see its delegates seated at our party’s convention. The decision by the Rules and Bylaws Committee honors the votes that were cast by the people of Florida and allocates the delegates accordingly.
We strongly object to the Committee’s decision to undercut its own rules in seating Michigan’s delegates without reflecting the votes of the people of Michigan.
The Committee awarded to Senator Obama not only the delegates won by Uncommitted, but four of the delegates won by Senator Clinton. This decision violates the bedrock principles of our democracy and our Party.
We reserve the right to challenge this decision before the Credentials Committee and appeal for a fair allocation of Michigan’s delegates that actually reflect the votes as they were cast.
Hillary Clinton is also winning the popular vote.
Clinton 17.41 million to Obama's 17.23 million
The above information is stated on the hillary clinton's website.......
Sounds like Hillary Clinton does agree with Harold Ickes and Tina Flournoy & will challenge the RBC's decision to the Credentials Committee.
NO SIGN OF CONCEDING BY JUNE 3RD.
June 1, 2008 2:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hate to tell you this, but she has not consistently stood up for Michican and Florida. If that was true, she would have started demanding the delegates be seated the day they were taken away. But, then, that's pretty elementary.
The rest of your post is so full of contradictions that I can't even address them all.
June 1, 2008 2:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
You had me laughing at "HIllary has always stood up for the voters of MI and FL". Because no, HIllary did not.
Everyone at RBC voted to strip MI and FL. HIllary said those states "wouldn't count for anything" until she needed them. Then, they counted in HIllary world.
June 1, 2008 7:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
More than that, Hillary said that it wouldn't make any difference whether or not her name was on the Michigan ballot, because the votes wouldn't count for anything. Her campaign has taken what might be called "The Myanmar option" of trying to lend credibility to a sham vote.
June 1, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, Hillary's been real consistant fighting for everyone's vote ever since she's been losing. As noted, before the primaries she stated that "clearly" the MI and FL votes wouldn't count. Don't blame the DNC or Obamabots for her current predicament. I suggest you visit YouTube and watch Hillary's December 2007 interview with George Stephanopoulus the week before the Iowa causus. She was downplaying her chances for victory in Iowa, but she twice assured George that she was in the race for the long haul, and she clearly stated twice that the race would be over on Feb 5, Super Tuesday. Hillary's "long haul" planning was based on six weeks of campaigning. On Feb 6, while Hillary was trying to figure out what had happened, Obama started a string of 11 straight primary victories that built a delegate lead that Hillary has never seriously cut into.
Her own lack of savvy, overconfidence and sense of entitlement have cost her the nomination, not the actions of any outside party. I doubt that she could admit that.
June 1, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's great for Sen. Clinton, but those of us focused on reality know that the primaries are a delegate race.
June 1, 2008 2:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Committee awarded to Senator Obama not only the delegates won by Uncommitted, but four of the delegates won by Senator Clinton. This decision violates the bedrock principles of our democracy and our Party....sorry but the committee could have done the right thing but they didn't.... they broke the rules..... if you knew the rules, you would know that the rules say that the committee can not give one or another candiate delegates that should be rewarded to another candiate nor can the committe take uncommitted delegates and reward them to a candiate.....so the committee broke the rules..... also since i'm on the rules issue.... don't forget that they broke the rules when they orginally took all 100% delegates away from michigan and florida, but the rules say that they could only take away 50% of the delegates or either seat all delegates but only with half a vote..... so they don't always do what the rules say.
here is what i think would have been fair but against the rules..... give clinton the 55% delegates that she won and give obama the other 40% delegates that uncommitted won.... or give clinton the 55% delegates that she won and let the 40% of uncommitted delegates deside who they wanted to back in denver.
June 1, 2008 3:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
The fact that Michigan broke the rules first, notwithstanding.
Are you wearing a hat? If so, I want it. I own it.
June 1, 2008 3:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
However the important part is that none of the votes made by his supporters who ONLY had the option to select uncommited are being counted. Not a single one.
And just to quote Clinton supporters when Obama supporters were saying the supers should follow the will of the people, "The supers are just like regular voters, they can vote any way they feel."
June 1, 2008 3:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, P.S. my point is that all that matters now is how the SD's see things, and even though they haven't been counted the supers know that those uncommitted votes were at least 70% to Obama, which blows Clintons 163,000 out of the water.
June 1, 2008 3:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
I see you've upped your daily dose of delusion, HillaryClinton08. Well done!
June 1, 2008 3:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
If the delegates count as half, shouldn't the popular votes count as half too?
June 1, 2008 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, of course.
And if we are ever going to consider the Popular Vote as a worthy metric, we need to extrapolate some numbers from the caucus states, so they too have a Popular Vote amount.
Once that is done, Hillary is not near close to winning the Popular vote.
June 1, 2008 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Final note here: you don't mention whether Obama was awarded any of the popular vote in MI, or whether he gets no votes because his name wasn't on the ballot.
June 1, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Geez, for crying out loud, let it go already! Be a gracious loser. IT'S OVER! Let's get on with winning the election in November.
Barack has played by the rules all the way. No matter how Hillary want to move the goal post...AGAIN, she has lost the race. The drama she continues to incite is nothing more than self-indulgent narcissism.
June 1, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
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