« previous | TPM CAFÉ READER POSTS HOME | next »
Articleman's Experience as a Progressive Talk Radio Guest, or, Ride the Unity Pony, Part Two
With apologies for the self-focused nature of this post, thought I should post briefly about the wacky experience of being on liberal AM talk radio as Articleman, talking about recent posts and the issues in them, and some thoughts coming out of that. Was on KRXA540 out of Monterey/Santa Cruz for about 20 minutes doing a pitch-and-catch on various issues with Hal, the owner/GM of the station. Hal has uber-cool NoCal theme music, and plows through issue after issue briskly and with detail, so it was really fun. I totally thank Hal, and hope to be back. I was actually a little nervous, which is weird for me, I don't get nervous arguing to a jury or speaking in public. Really wanted it to go well. Here are the thoughts I wanted to share, though:
1. Humorous Point: Hal complained on the air, as we all have here, about the difficulty of finding anything on TPM. He said it's easier to find a poster you like on Google than to bother within the site, which he said has the most confusing architecture of any he's seen. From your lips to Josh's ears, I said, and I'm going to send a mail to Andrew Golis as a followon to that. When the media starts talking about how your website's functionality cuts against its content, that's a sign.
2. Ironic Point (for me): We talk within this blogospace about how insular and irrelevant our dialogue is. Judging from the points of concern to Hal's listeners, as raised by Hal, I think the things we obsess about are actually more representative of general concerns that I had thought. The Hillary debt thing, and the widely held misconception that Obama could pay it from his campaign fund, was raised. At the end, the question of whether to flog Pelosi for not impeaching was raised, as that's of great concern to his listenership. (I argued vigorously for Pelosi and against the effort.)
3. We Are, Collectively, the Rise of Progressive Media. Josh Marshall. Air America. Hal's station. Your posts. My posts. Our comments. This is important.
Hal was talking about how much of AM is conservative. I really like our collective pushback, as I mentioned to him. When I was in college in the 80s, I founded a liberal newspaper to compete against the local National Review clone that was schooling and placing into the MSM all kinds of George Will emulating drones -- Terry Teachout, Dinesh D'Souza, blah blah blah. There was no liberal counterpoint movement in the years of Dukakis et al. on my campus, or most. We were losing a step on the march in schooling new soldiers in the fight for our values, and in getting our message out, and in seeming like we were competing.
The rise of Limbaugh is part and parcel of 1994, which was a movement against us and what we are for. O'Reilly is the second wave of that crap. These waves were stronger than we were at one time. But just now, Olbermann's ratings top O'Reilly's, for the first time.
Progressives, organizing around the net, around MoveOn, raising money for Dean, MoveOn, now Obama, liberal radio against the dittoheads, all of it, we're a rising tide. My dad generally votes Republican, and likes O'Reilly better than Olbermann. But he said that KRXA was more substantive in focus and less personal in its other offerings he checked out than the conservative media he more frequently takes in. We are talking to people, and judging from the poll numbers, we are taking the natural swing of the pendulum, now toward us, and pushing it as far as we can. Which leads to . . .
4. The Unity Pony. I will always remember one of our commenters saying in my Unity Pony thread, F*** The Pony. Rather than call that person a ponyfucker, which is humor too easy by half, it reminds me not to be dishonest (I really didn't like Hillary's campaign) but to try as hard as I can to talk with and not at or against other Democrats (Naderites, Clintonistas, anyone). I had two or three openings on that show to lay into Hillary or Pelosi, and I think it is of utmost importance to keep our eyes on the 2008 election, not failures of our party's leaders to avoid war in 2003, or hubris in 2008 as one side or the other sees it. WE HAVEN'T WON A TWO PERSON PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION BY MORE THAN A POINT SINCE 1964. OK? So our site, and talk radio as its mirror, give us the choice. Do we ride the pony, or do what our colleague in my unity thread told us to do to the pony? For me, it's no choice.
Ride the pony. Win the election. This is our greatest year as a party since 1992. I'm having a blast, I hope you are too.











Comments (37)
This is all really cool, AM, thanks so much for representing us so well and bringing back the great news. I don't really think about anyone other than the yakkers here reading what we blog about.
One point I would raise - the Unity Pony. What I love about this forum is the diversity of opinion, including those who say f*ck the Pony. There are plenty of voters out there who feel the same way - so, let's get the sentiments out there. Talk about it, talk about the impact on the Dem Party, on the election - let's try not to obsess, however, because it's not the only issue and it can become SO frictional that it spins out of control.
I actually think we've sort of moved beyond it or are getting there. Largely because issues are requiring that we do so. Just can't fixate on the Primaries at this point - there are bigger fish to fry.
June 18, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did I read this right CBG?
"F*ck the Pony - There are plenty of voters out there who feel the same way - so, let's get the sentiments out there."
Damn. That's one helluva bumper sticker!
June 18, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's no reason to bring Alex Kozinski's web site into this!
June 18, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Weellll...we could go there...but that would require a separate thread, wouldn't it? ;)
June 18, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought it was a unity *donkey*. My bad.
June 19, 2008 9:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks articleman. Nice post. It's great how you can stay on message and with the real goals in mind. I'm happy you were able to represent us on the radio. So often the MSM will find someone who they say represents the progressive view, but they are vacuous or ill-informed, or simply rabid. Of course, they often do that on the other side, too, with right-wing types who don't know which way is up, let alone what the issues are.
So it's good to have someone articulate and clear doing some of the messaging.
June 18, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
So are you saying that unity is like cocaine and intra-party squabbles are more like heroin?
"If you wanna ride, don't ride the white horse/
Don't ride the white horse, ride the white pony."
June 18, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good job there, Articleman. Any chance of a link to a recording?
June 18, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, and congratulations. I look forward to hearing the podcast, or reading the transcript, or something.
June 18, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I appreciate you defending my virtue.
June 18, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
fuck you, pony
June 18, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bite me, technicolor ass shirt.
June 18, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
God Damn, I love you little Pony. Big hug!
June 18, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well if that's not the pot calling the kettle technicolor.
June 18, 2008 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Judas.
June 19, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well if that's not the pot calling the kettle Judas.
(Yes, I plagiarized you. Sue me. In Canada.)
June 19, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Something much worse than a Canadian lawsuit is coming:
To him in front the biting was as naught
Unto the clawing, for sometimes the spine
Utterly stripped of all the skin remained.
That soul up there which has the greatest pain,
The Master said, is Judas Iscariot;
With head inside, he plies his legs without.
June 19, 2008 11:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is there much to defend?
June 18, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pony is a muslim.
June 18, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
as far as you know
June 19, 2008 12:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
AM: When discussing the value of the blogsphere, did you point out your rules of recommendations? It's an inconvenient truth, but you were the one that was eloquent in expressing it!
June 18, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks articleman, for speaking up for what you believe in, and for lowly workerbees, like me.
June 18, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hooray, Articleman! I'm proud that you represented us at TPM Readers Blogs on progressive talk radio. Thanks for doing a great job. You got me pumped up!
June 18, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fist pump! Yeah!
June 18, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
*fist-taps laurajordan*
June 18, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is our best year since 1932. If we do not win in a landslide we are incompetent.
June 18, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait. So you got to go on this show because you posted on here?
I always get to the party late.
June 18, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Drifter, the party's just started! You came at a great time!
June 18, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Take a bow articleman! Well done and nicely communicated. Thanks.
June 18, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Articleman - podcast? Transcript?
Great job!
June 18, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I listened to you online articleman, and you sounded good. "From your lips to Josh's ear" was precious.
June 18, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
For everyone who asked about a podcast or mp3, I am asking Hal and will advise or post re same. Thanks so much for being supportive, it's nice to have the chance and I tried to encourage anyone who might be listening to come to reader posts and check out the community generally.
June 18, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm so proud of you! This is super exciting!
June 19, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent work! And yes, we won't win without the pony. All the young voters need to be sure to get their vote out too - we need them.
June 18, 2008 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
re 1) I take it there was no "call-in" portion of the program? From our trolls' lips to your ears could've been entertaining. Better trolls, please. Y'all are pathetic.
re 4) Fans of Bob Barr should note articleman's "two-person" formulation and prepare accordingly for his next radio appearance. Sadly, I suspect y'all intend to bring about as much umbrage to articleman's next radio appearance as our pathetic trolls did to this one.
On these two crucial fronts, it's pretty much disappointment all 'round, as far as I can tell, but I'm willing to withhold judgment until that podcast turns up, assuming it exists.
June 19, 2008 7:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
BARACK IS QUIENTLY TELLING THE IRAQIS'S THAT HE HAS NO INTENTION ON GETTING US OUT IN 16 MONTHS.
this is wayY to unbelievable. not only has OBAMA lied to the country when he said one thing to us and another to canada regarding NAFTA, he is now discretely telling the IRAQ foreign ministry he has no plans to remove US troops in 16 months and that this is just camapaign rhethoric. Now, add the fact that he has also just announced he lied to the american public regarding taking public financing over private and you can better believe what i have been saying all along is that OBAMA is a snake oil salesman and you folks have been taken.
http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=&vid=fe86c872-82f5-4525-afc7-e85d3ca13bd5
June 19, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I understand that the side effects of Quetiapine are greatly exaggerated, michelle.
June 19, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Post a Comment