« previous | TPM CAFÉ READER POSTS HOME | next »
America Kills It's Children For Corporate Profits
There is an article today in the NYT about 2 very influential doctors who work at Harvard. They are both big names in Child Psychiatry and, apparently, they were receiving large payments from the drug manufacturers whose drugs they were researching on children (as young as 6) at the same time that they were supposed to be doing objective research.
These two are the prime movers in the movement to get more pills into more people at the earliest age possible. Thw whole thing is criminal.
Read it for yourself :
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/us/08conflict.html?th=&emc=th&pagewanted=all














Comments (15)
You're not surprised, are you?
June 8, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
exactly, my thoughts.
In fact, America Kills [INSERT] for corporate profits.
Rec'd
June 8, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Instead of blaming corporations, let's put the blame where it resides: us.
No one held a gun to anyone's head and told them to buy an SUV.
No one held a gun to anyone's head and told them to buy a home that they couldn't afford.
Etc. Etc.
Until we get out of the mentality of "it's all because of the evilness of [insert]" we won't be able to frame the problems correctly to solve them.
We have met the enemy, and he is us.
June 8, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Read the article. Your comments, while thought provoking, don't apply.
June 8, 2008 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
The solution to the Robber Barons was ...what?
Were the "people" to blame then?
I think not. Nor does history.
What America needs is to place the blame squarely where it belongs. It isn't on the people who were duped into mortgages "they couldn''t afford." SUVs were sold on SAFETY, not gas mileage. Sorry, but when medical and energy expenses go up by 100s of percents, that's not anything jane and joe sixpack are responsible for, or could be expected to plan for. You're problem seems to be that you've never wanted for anything. What you need is a year spent broke in any inner city in America to open your eyes and inform your barren heart. Pity there isn't instant Karma.
Someone pointed out that you were naive. I think you're just an ignorant, greedy capitalist, the kind Marx ridiculed.
What is needed is balance, and that isn't about your incessant preaching to show that you have any idea of what that entails.
June 8, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you want to want to compare robber barons to people who out of free will stupidly follow advertising, go right ahead.
There are only two choices in this life: people accept personal responsibilities for decisions they make, or they admit that they can't control their life and therefore get the decisions made for them by others.
I happen to prefer the former. Everyone is entitled to equal access to opportunity, not equal material goods. No one is "entitled" to home ownership. Home ownership is not a right, it is a privilege. You should know: you own two of them.
Although you know essentially nothing about me, I live within my means. Always have. That means I take my finite resources and decide how to implement them on my priority list.
Here's another way that we screw over our children: consume vast amount of resources. What kind of cars have you owned in the past? (The issue of finite gas resources has been known since the 70s -- no excuses for buying SUVs or minivans at all.) What kind of car do you drive now? How many trips do you make during a day? Do you drive 60 mph (more efficient) or more (less efficient)?
Yes, evil corporations are responsible for all these personal behaviors.
I do have to admit that at the end of the day, workerbee, I have yet to see any contributions from you on this site except name-calling and sloganeering. I challenge you to write even a single blog carefully laying out an argument for something, anything.
Let's see how your mind works.
The gauntlet is thrown.
June 8, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with ClearThinker on this one, to the extent that:
Some people seem to be born with a sense of personal responsibility. Some people have to be taught it but learn early. Some of us struggle for years, externalizing blame but then, however late, finally face the music and see, as ClearThinker suggested, that the enemy is within. And some people just never get it at all.
The choice to drug children -- with Ritalin or anti-depressants or whatever -- is an issue of personal parental responsibilty. As is the decision to dope ourselves with a cornucopia of anti-depressants, etc..
Why? Because no lobby in Washington, no advertising agency in NYC , nor even any school administrator or significant other is making anyone ingest these drugs.
Does this mean that no one should take them? Of course not. Yes, there are some children who benefit from them, because they have been diagnosed by someone without a vested interest -- after laborious testing of both mental and physical characteristics -- as having one of a handfull of mental conditions that can be helped with pharmaceuticals. And, yes, there are some adults who benefit from taking anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medications (as well as anti-psychotic drugs) because they, too, have a carefully diagnosed condition that can be helped by pharmaceuticals.
But that is a very different scenario from the wholesale doping of children and adults that has gone on for the past fifteen to twenty years.
Garth Wood, a prominent British psychiatrist, wrote a book on this subject that is compelling -- in which he divides five diagnoses for which there can be little management without drugs, from all the rest, that benefit more from various kinds of therapy.
In regard to the latter: parents are responsible for the well-being of their children -- not the other way round. Children, in vast numbers, should not be given drugs just because they are more docile or manageable while taking them. This responsibility also applies to teachers and school administrators, although they have our heartfelt sympathy. (I should know, as I currently teach adolescents of alleged privilege who have behavioral problems, in addition to foreign students who wonder on what planet they have landed.)
As to what we do to ourselves, as adults: how many of us have taken Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, etc., etc., only to discover that either they made us feel worse, over time, or became a prop that substantiated a rationale for not dealing with the realities that confronted us?
As to affecting our children, negatively, with consumerism: I am guilty as charged. Did I live beyond my means to place my son in an advantageous school district? Yes, rationalizing all the way. Did I later send him to a private school (as I had been sent on an entirely different parental budget ) so that he might get a boost into a great college? Yes, I did. Did I then encourage, and pay for, trips abroad to "broaden" his horizons? Yes, I did.
And what, in the end, did I teach him? Here's the surprise:
Not an enduring sense of entitlement, as this child of mine was, in spite of me, no fool. Rather, while he sincerely thanked me for the advantages I provided, he legitimately pointed out that I was, in terms of personal responsibility for my own welfare, an abysmal money and asset manager. And that what I had done I had done, in part, from ego. Touche.
Hard to argue with what is true. So let's stop doping, and enabling, our children.
June 8, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great post. Saving for the future (and that included ensuring your child has a future) shows a tremendous amount of personal responsibility!
June 8, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, sure.
And to those of us that had our children immunized like good little parents and had them damaged by the lead contained in those vaccinations (it's a cheaper preservative, you see), should just blame ourselves, right?
Spoiling a child is way different then providing a solid education and broadening their horizons, but that type of sacrifice isn't necessarily anything the children should be grateful for. Were you grateful to your parents for their sacrifices? Or do you assume there weren't any
What exactly did you expect your kid to say?
As for the increase in "behavioral issues" among our children, there is a lot corporate America has to answer for.
Back in the day they had a sense of responsibility, Quaker Oats "didn't approve" of sugar coated cereals. Can you imagine that? Television wasn't gross and brainless. Snacks weren't nutrition free and diabetes causing. Families could provide a Middle Class lifestyle with one salary while the other parent was home to provide guidance and stability.
As I said to CT, what is needed is balance. Right now it looks very much like it did at the turn of the last century with the robber barons saying that steel workers working 12 hour days and seven day weeks were "lazy." It was codswallop then and it's nonsense now.
Those who enable this type of addle-pated 'logic' aren't doing themselves any favors. The gap between those that have and those that don't is as wide as it's ever been, yet I am asked to believe that 35 dollar bank fees and 29% interest, and obscene Oil company profits are the fault of individual people? That they deserve that abuse, somehow?
Good grief. I think maybe that's a bit of nonsense that's been worn out from the telling. Sorry, I believe my own lyin' eyes, not the corporate propaganda.
You can, of course, believe what you like, but I'm in favor of changing the status quo, not parroting it.
June 8, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
The absolute amount of the oil profits is large because of the price of oil.
And the price of oil is high because we have reached the peak.
One of the reasons why the price of oil is high is that the dollar is being devalued.
A significant reason for the devaluation of the dollar is the amount of private credit owed.
The private credit owed is a result of greed and insecurity on people's parts. This includes: a taking vacations they can't afford, buying name brand products that they can't afford, buying cars they can't afford, owning homes rather than renting and -- having children that they can't afford.
I am stuck in an economy that is going under in a large measure because of general fiscal irresponsibility: this includes the public and this includes the government (both parties).
Many of those down-trodden workers you love to talk about voted for Reagan, Bush, Dole, and Bush.
How do you feel about them? Don't they deserve your concern also? And if they do, how you do feel about their feeling that you are the enemy because of your politics?
June 8, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
1) How do you explain the fact that despite constantly bringing out salads, etc. for the public, MacDonalds says they don't sell.
Who is forcing you to buy sugar coated cereals? If you can't handle your child wanting something that you won't buy, who's fault is that?
2) One of the reason for the CPI going up is that housing prices took a huge jump in the 70s-80s. That has been attributed to the fact that women were now working jobs. Therefore, with a 2 family income, you could better bid on a home. Of course, now prices "assume" that two incomes will be needed to pay for the mortgage.
Was that the fault of an evil corporation?
When people don't want a product it dies. Just Google "Edsel" or "Apple Newton" or "New Coke".
You are part of the society you live in. The society we see reflects the majority of focus of the individuals in it.
June 8, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lived within your means? How silly. Have you lived on $20 a week? No? Unless you have, your assertion is pretty stupid. Maybe "your means" is $1,000,000 a year left you by your rich grandaddy. It sure sounds like it to me.
Of course you've never seen a blog from me, I've only ever written two, and they're in the archives. The fact that I don't "blog" isn't any reason for derision, I'm in some very good company.
I have seen your blogs and comments, however, and they're the most arrogant, ignorant and intolerant garbage I've ever seen. Any decent point you have gets swallowed up by your smug belief that the world is black and white. It isn't. Perhaps some day you will be mature enough to accept that, and humble enough to develop a sense of compassion for others, rather than your annoying scold school marmish demeanor, but I believe that if you haven't by now, you most likely never will. I will always stick up for the little guy that gets abused by people like you. Always.
Oh, and I have a VW Bug that gets better than 25 City. When I lived near San Francisco I used public transit. It amuses me that you don't. As I have basically telecommuted for 15 years, my "resource consumption" is far below the National Average. The fact that I pay for a mortgage on a home I don't live in actually reflects pretty well on my sense of generosity. Most people would get a renter.
Never had an SUV, as I consider them to be somewhat evil. I suspect you haven't had a vasectomy yet either, although you feel free to criticize those of us with children. But that's pretty much your M.O.
When you quit with the obnoxious scolding of "people you don't know," you won't get a scolding from me.
Until then, get used to it.
June 8, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have I lived on $20/week? Yes. As I say, you know nothing about me. If you can't discuss the issues without trying to get personal, you may want to reconsider what value your political view actually has. Apparently the ideas on their own offer no merit, so you are constantly trying to engage in personal battles.
I applaud your ability to live within your means. Too bad you don't see that it means we agree on the basic issue of personal responsibility.
If you don't like my blogs, you are free not to read them. In the meantime, I guess I am a central part of your life if you seek me out. Clearly you feel emotionally engaged with me.
Maybe it's love. Who knows?
June 8, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wasn't talking about an allowance when you were in high school. IOW, I don not believe you.
As for the rest, you asked me personal questions, I gave personal answers. Now you try to turn that around? How utterly droll, and low class.
I hardly seek you out, but I understand that to someone with s uch an exaggerated and unearned sense of self-importance might see it that way.
Don't flatter yourself.
June 8, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, you don't. If you did, it would invalidate most of your ad hominem attacks and then you'd have to find a logic reason to dismiss my arguments.
June 8, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Post a Comment