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A Tale of Two Speeches
Could there be any more difference between Hillary and Obama? Tonight underscored, once again, major differences.
Hillary, of course, didn't even acknowledge that Obama won. She insinuated she was the leader of 18 million people (really? polling indicates a serious buyers' remorse for her). She plugged, like a radio show host, once again her website. She, once again, ran as a woman. She didn't quell the chants of "Denver, Denver, Denver".
And she wanted a write-in to "help her decide what do do next".
Obama, on the other hand, evoked history. Didn't make mention of the color of his skin. Said that he honored McCain's accomplishments even if McCain would deny his. Could speak without caveats about his opposition to the War in Iraq. And he spent a great deal of time lauding Hillary's accomplishments and her career.
And he stirred a stadium full of people with an awesome power that should scare the GOP party and any GOP candidate running.
Obama already looked the president tonight compared to the other two.
Any other thoughts?



Comments (119)
No comparison.
That was just kick ass. That crescendo at the end was just, well, wow.
McCain's got to be dumbfounded after that.
June 3, 2008 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would bet Hillary is dumbfounded as well. She has to act fast. Each tick of the calendar diminishes her power. Obama knows this.
More importantly, Hillary wakes up tomorrow with a $20M hangover. And that has to loom large on her right now as well.
June 3, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, that's why I think Obama's response to all this VP hype is just to slow it down and push the decision to a later date. Which would be the smart thing to do under any circumstance.
June 4, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
It might even be a good idea to see who McCain picks first. He might want to make a different decision depending on who McCain picks.
June 4, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain was "dumbfounded" -- well, you're half-way right!
June 4, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama was powerful, absolutely powerful. He took McCain to school and then behind the woodshed (yeah, I'm mixing metaphors). McCain made a big mistake showing his mug tonight, because Obama slammed him on everything from the war to the economy to education to the environment.
The audience sounded like it was going to bring down the arena. The Republicans will barely bring a whimper to it when they crawl in come September. Obama's speech will hopefully go down as one of the great ones in American History. Then again, I'm sure his first and second inaugurals will be pretty awesome!
June 3, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Spot on. I agree...WOW
June 3, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I saw Hillary squelch the cheers of her audience over and over again, with her arms, and with her voice. When the audience started chanting (and I never heard "Denver", but maybe to my old ears it sounded like "Yes She Can"), Hillary spoke over her supporters until they quieted.
She spoke repeatedly about what good the Democratic party is doing, and what it can and should continue to do, and she went out with grace and style.
Why am I the only one seeing this? Why am I the only one who recognized this speech as the concession speech that only Hillary Clinton could give?
I didn't expect her to back out until the end of the week, I didn't expect all the undeclared SD's to go for Obama today, so maybe that's why I'm the only one who saw her giving up tonight?
Give the lady a week, and let her talk one on one with Obama (note, Lalo and OttoF and everybody else: I did not say mano a mano like I could have -- thanks to her own staunch supporter James Carville saying she has 3 balls) and let the two of them hammer out a solution that will either put her in his cabinet or on his Supreme Court.
I'm for the Supreme Court choice, myself.
But I'll take either one.
In other words: Obama won tonight. We all know it. Hillary lost tonight. We all know it.
The fight is over.
June 3, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops. Wrong thread. Sorry.
:-)
June 3, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
What was the correct one? Maybe we'll visit-
June 4, 2008 1:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
see my post "Hillary's Concession Speech". http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/06/hillarys-concession-speech.php
That's the thread you wanted.
June 4, 2008 9:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
June 3, 2008 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
mano means "hand", not "man."
hence "mano a mano" means "hand to hand."
June 4, 2008 3:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lis -- I saw it too. It's the closest she can come to graciousness. How terribly sad.
June 4, 2008 3:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
McAuliffe introduced Hillary last night as "the next President of the United States."
That is no concession.
June 4, 2008 8:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lis, you're not the only one. I saw it too and I think a lot of folks on here are being pretty rude right now, too.
June 4, 2008 8:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm afraid I saw it as the only concession speech that Hillary Clinton could give.
She could have done herself a world of good last night if she had been as gracious towards Obama as he was towards her. She could have said that she had fought the good fight, but the delegates weren't there, and that she recognized the reality.
Her supporters there probably wouldn't have liked it, but it would have made look a lot more gracious, mature, and reasonable. It would have started the process of bringing the party together, and enhanced her chances of getting a plum assignment in an Obama administration if she wanted it. Instead, she tried to make the night about her, which was pointless and comes across as a little petty.
I know it's hard to reverse course that quickly, but she has to have known for weeks that winning the nomination was a very slender chance, at best. By waiting, she's going to look like reality had to be explained to her.
June 4, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary has tried hard to portray herself as a woman strong enough to bump with the big boys, and qualified for the toughest job on the planet. There has been hate speech of both the sexist and racist variety in this primary, directed at each of the candidates and all of it ugly. Obama seized the "teaching moment" and spoke to racism with eloquence. Clinton overlooked the opportunity and whined and complained. No "teaching moment" to elevate the campaign. That's a huge difference in approach.
Now she needs "her space"? Because she's disappointed? Pu-leeze! Can somebody point to any other Presidential candidate who lost a Presidential primary and pulled this kind of infantile stunt?
Oh yes--I am a 66 year old white woman. I have supported Obama from the beginning because I have seen him as is the superior candidate. And as a woman, I am enormously offended by Hillary Clinton's behavior. She has done enormous damage to the chances of future female Presidential candidates.
June 4, 2008 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sum it up this way...
Obama gives a rousing speech to a packed stadium.
McCain talks about Obama in a high school gym.
June 3, 2008 10:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly.
McCain tries to tapdance between the conservative Republicans, the moderate Republicans, and the Independents, and ends up looking plain old silly.
Oops. Wrong Republican. Sorry.
It's Bush that tries to tapdance.
It's McCain walking a tightrope.
Neither one is looking so good.
:-)
June 3, 2008 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Obama speech was magnificent. It wasn't just about being him against Hillary (heck, *I* could have elected Hillary based on his description of her). It wasn't just about being against McCain (whom he respects--how huge a difference was that, contrasted against McCain's petty speech?)
It was about what AMERICANS can be.
June 3, 2008 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. It's done.
I was profoundly disappointed by her speech. By her not conceding - which McAuliffe said she would - she only wound up her followers into a near fanatical state. The longer she remains in denial, the longer they do too. And the harder it will be to unite the party.
During her speech, I told my wife in all exasperation: "She's a Jim Jones, only in a pant suit and without the Kool Aid!!"
We can only hope and pray the superdelegates will bring her back down to Earth.
June 3, 2008 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to disagree. Went out with grace and style? What did you hear? Go to her website and say that, she wants to hear from you.
Supreme Court Justice? I don't believe she has the judgement to be a presidential nominee. Please God don't put her in a position for life that requires an ULTIMATE ability to judge.
June 3, 2008 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
barefooted, with all due respect, I had two great conversations today with the only two Clinton supporters I know. Two of my coworkers.
Both of them congratulated me on Obama's win, and said that they agree Hillary can't be Obama's VP. They both feel that Hillary should at least have a position of importance sometime down the line. They both feel she would challenge women's rights, family health care rights, and that she'd serve well as either a cabinet member or on the Supreme Court.
When I first heard "Supreme Court", I thought: "ACK!". But then it dawned on me that Hillary would be stuck in that decision for life, and therefore she would no longer have to worry about the expedient and political choices she should make....in other words, she'd just make the right decision knowing she could make the right decision.
No more polls. No more Mark Penn. Just Hillary doing right by women and families and children and fairness, just like she's been touting all these months.
No more Iraq invasion vote that was expediently correct in order to look hawkish -- no more Kyl-Leiberman vote that was expediently correct in order to look hawkish -- she could vote as a DEMOCRAT again and do it for women and families. She could be the voice of the left for decades to come.
What's really so wrong with that?
June 3, 2008 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
When I first heard "Supreme Court", I thought: "ACK!". But then it dawned on me that Hillary would be stuck in that decision for life, and therefore she would no longer have to worry about the expedient and political choices she should make....in other words, she'd just make the right decision knowing she could make the right decision.
I respect you, too, Lis but allow me a deep breath.
She'd just make the right decision knowing that....hell, you know what you said. You cannot be serious. Please read that again. That's your reason to nominate a Supreme Court Justice?
June 4, 2008 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a reply to barefoots comments about LisBs talke of Sentor Clinton being Supreme Ct. Justice.
I kinda like LisB's reasons. No more Clinton campaigns ever - Why couldn't she be Supreme Court? Every one says she is intelligent. Those that know her say she is a wonderful, caring person that wants to do the right thing by women, children and the poor working class. That is great position for her to accomplish those goals. Just think, NO MORE CLINTON CAMPAIGNS EVER!!!! I want to repeat that last sentence again and again but I am afraid i'll fall into a life-long trance of joy.
June 4, 2008 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Aren't supreme court justices charged with following the LAW? Following the constitution?
Um I think we would have a little credibility problem there.
June 4, 2008 2:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Montana went for Obama, it doesn't count. Silly thinker!
June 4, 2008 2:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Damn, this was supposed to be to clearThinker below.
Well ... while I'm here ...
NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO To Hillary for SCOTUS!!!!!
I'd rather her be VP!
June 4, 2008 2:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Amen! Reasons for HRC to go to the Supreme Court:
1) No more Clinton campaigns forever.
2) The look on the faces of Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas when she shows up at the door.
3) Having a lifetime position so she can finally ditch "Bubba"
4) NO MORE CLINTON CAMPAIGNS FOREVER!!!!!
June 4, 2008 3:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
given that your co-workers could talk you into thinking that is a good idea, your business must either have to do with hypnosis or drugs.
June 4, 2008 12:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't Obama's speech mention that Hillary would be central to any progress on health care? Would that not hint to a cabinet position as Secretary in Health and Human Services? As for Supreme Court Justice, I would like a liberal with reproductive rights credentials on the bench.
June 4, 2008 1:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Health and Human Services, yes. Supreme Court Justice, NO.
June 4, 2008 1:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, what the hell's wrong with "Senator from New York"? (not to mention poss Majority Leader, Finance Committee chair, etc etc?)
Some historical perspective, people, please! Just because Congress has made itself irrelevant for the past 8 years doesn't mean it has to stay that way! Especially with a President who actually respects the Constitution. And she can keep that job for 20+ more years without too much trouble.
It sure beats the hell out of VP.
June 4, 2008 3:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lis, is THAT how you think we should choose a Supreme Court Justice? To keep someone "stuck...for life" so she wouldn't have to make expedient political choices for the sake of elections?
You have GOT to be kidding!
I can't believe you're saying this! I'm all for letting Hillary be effective, but to want her in a "job for life" so she can't run a destructive campaign, or make destructively bad choices for the wrong reasons -- have you been drinking already this morning?
June 4, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
According to political lore, that's how we got Chief Justice Earl Warren. That worked out pretty well.
I can at least imagine that Hillary Clinton could be a good Supreme Court Justice.
What's the down side? Thomas and Scalia have to deal with her all the time. That's not too bad.
June 4, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
As an attorney, I have to disagree. Hillary has shown over and over again that she has absolutely no respect for the rule of law. For her, its the result she wants and the law is just an obstacle to be overcome or a tool to be used regardless of whether it is suited to the purpose.
That's kind of my definitive critereon for who should get a federal judgeship of any kind, much less one of the nine.
Also, there's that whole not passing the bar the first time thing and the likelihood of an ugly, contentious review of her work at the Rose firm during her confirmation hearing. She's not going to get the traditional pass from the Senate they usually give when one of their own gets nominated. The Republicans will be out for blood and she's pissed off more than half of her Democratic colleagues over and over again.
And, sorry, "I'm not making any decisions tonight, so please write in to my website with the ham-fisted Minitrue screeners and tell me what you think I should do" is not a concession.
June 4, 2008 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Does Hillary have the grounding in Constitutional Law that one would rightly expect from a Supreme Court justice? Can she hold her own as a judicial scholar against someone like John Roberts?
And what would Hillary do when she's on the minority side of a decision? Reveal a new metric for deciding cases?
To me, she hasn't shown the deference to logic I want in a Supreme Court justice.
June 4, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Character is fate.
Hillary's performance today was abysmal. It showed yet again her complete lack of grace and her campaign's lack of understanding of the role of grace.
To still be inciting people to send this to Denver was disgraceful.
So they all decided she needed to show her muscle in order to gain the VEEP.
How could she not know that you catch more flies with honey than you ever will with vinegar.
June 3, 2008 11:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
ARGH!
AVAST YE LANDLUBBERS!
WENCH HILLARY NEVER QUITS!
SHE GOES DOWN ON THE SHIP!
OBAMA EVADING!
CORPORATE RAIDING!
WINNING WITHOUT HESITATING!
SHE WILL WIN THE OLD FASHIONED WAY! TAKE HER CASE TO THE SUPREME COURT!
ACQUIRE! MERGE! MARAUD! DILUTE! DILUTE!
ARGH!
June 3, 2008 11:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're too cute ;)
June 3, 2008 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ahhh Pirate Peet, I love it when you show up.
June 3, 2008 11:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pirate, that's hysterical!!!
It's OK with me if she wants to go down with her $20m ship...as long as she doesn't drag the Democratic ticket and party with her. I want to live to fight another day, ahem.
June 3, 2008 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ahhh Pirate Peet, I love it when you show up.
June 3, 2008 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Her speech was about her just like her campaign is about her. She could have conceding gracefully. She could have basked in the historical implications of this campaign. She could have called upon her supporters to rally now behind Barack Obama. She could have launched an attack against John McCain.
She did none of these things. To me this speaks volumes about her inability to lead a nation. She simply does not have the character required.
June 3, 2008 11:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
And that's why she didn't win.
June 3, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yet she should be a Supreme Court Justice? I honestly don't mean to overblow this point with you. But do you want this woman on the Supreme Court for the rest of her life? Really?
June 4, 2008 12:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Other than the fact that she refused to recognize Obama's clinching the nomination, the fact that she didn't hit McCain was what bothered me most. In fact, she even echoed him when attacking the pundits, etc. This was her last chance to truly look gracious within the context of the race, and to show that the party was her primary concern, and she chose not to.
June 3, 2008 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
And I would have had a lot more respect for her if she had. I can accept that a lot of politics is simply theater, but every show has its final curtain call. She apparently didn't want to take her bow.
June 3, 2008 11:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. I would love to be her shrink. I figure $300K worth of therapy at least. Possibly the most ungrateful person on the planet... she sits in the Senate riding her husband's presidency and she still feels she needs the national headlines.
PS Good to see you around, DF.
June 4, 2008 12:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good to see you *both* around Clearthinker and DF!
June 4, 2008 3:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
By FAR, The most profound and touching thing I heard Senator Obama say tonight was that he enters this contest with profound humility and knowledge of his limitations.
I was sitting beside my 9 year old daughter in a packed theater with that historic nominee on the big screen.
All I could think about was how proud I was that we finally had the guts to select a leader that I could hold up as an example to my kids.
Humility. I almost lost it.
June 3, 2008 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
...he enters this contest with profound humility and knowledge of his limitations...
His supporters had better grasp that quickly and act accordingly. I remind you again that he won about half the votes in his own party's primary.
You'd best go find your humility.
June 3, 2008 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indiex:
You needn't be part of the train leaving for the White House. Go your own way and God bless.
June 4, 2008 12:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've gone my own way for the entire route. I wouldn't quit here.
June 4, 2008 1:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd say the same for the Hillary supporters
June 4, 2008 2:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
The point, Indiex, is that he WON. And that in winning he won the right to go wollop a mediocre campaigner with a huge incumbent albatross around his neck who's on the wrong side of every major issue, politically as well as morally.
Seriously, winning the Dem primary this year is comparable to winning it in a City Council race in Harlem. The fundamentals are just too huge. This will not be close.
June 4, 2008 3:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
She has to act fast. Each tick of the calendar diminishes her power.
Um...who said? What "power" does she gain in totally supplicating herself to Obama as you have done?
You guys really need to wake up. He won half the votes, she won half the votes. He's got slightly more than half the delegates. (Use your calculator if you need to.)
Unity of the democratic party is in Obama's hands. Let's watch.
June 3, 2008 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indiex, I think it will be a combination of two things that will diminish her power --
1. How quickly she admits she LOST. He WON. He has more delegates, she has less. Game over. She's not only out of quarters, she's also out of $20m...
2. How quickly she gets behind him. She doesn't and she'll REALLY look like the sore loser and diminish any good that came out of her campaign. The longer she holds on and puts herself ahead of the party, the less likely she'll get what she (and Bill) wants. No matter what the hell that is.
June 3, 2008 11:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
No question that she's narrowly lost the delegate count while very narrowly winning more votes in the contests. Her "power" is the other half of the party that didn't vote for Obama but did vote for/support her. (We don't vote in my state. We have caucuses. He did very well where people don't vote.)
Is Obama ready to go to the election without dealing with the other half of the party? That would be pretty stupid. And I've heard from a lot of Obama supporters that he isn't stupid.
I guess we'll see.
June 4, 2008 12:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Goodness. That verged on positive. Good for you, you're getting there!
June 4, 2008 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tell me, honestly, that you believe those people who voted for Clinton in the primary will vote for McCain in the general. === And, if you need a second chance, tell me they will still vote for McCain once they 'discover' that he is anti-choice.
June 4, 2008 4:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Different supporters will do different things. I only know what my wife and I intend to do at the moment.
June 4, 2008 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
2. How quickly she gets behind him. She doesn't and she'll REALLY look like the sore loser and diminish any good that came out of her campaign.
It's worse than that. If she delays, and then he somehow loses (no matter the reasons) in November, she'll be blamed by history. Period. Not saying it's right (or wrong), just saying-- she's going to get blamed unless she's perceived to be working as hard as she can to get him elected.
June 4, 2008 12:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Indiex... let's be clear:
Had she won 1/2 she would not be the loser.
She got less than 1/2.
She lost.
And even you cannot admit it.
June 4, 2008 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
I guess I need to remind you that she got over half of the votes. Did all of those votes count in the nomination contest? Hell no. Two states that he got his ass kicked in got thrown out.
But hey...we can all pretend, right?
June 4, 2008 1:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
His name wasn't even on the ballot in MI... like every other democrate. Except Hillary. So his ass wasn't kicked. In fact, Hillary could only garner just over half of the vote with no opponent!
And her numbers don't include the caucuses.
If she really had more than 1/2 the real votes, the SD would make sure she would be the nominee.
I know, it's all a vast right wing conspiracy. Or an activist conspiracy. Or a media conspiracy... or something.
June 4, 2008 1:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Quiet please. Barak is our nominee, be proud.
June 4, 2008 2:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
The numbers do indeed reflect the votes of the caucuses that reported total votes.
June 4, 2008 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Smile. It will be alright.
June 4, 2008 2:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Watch. And pay attention. You will be surprised.
June 4, 2008 1:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed. Give peace a chance.
June 4, 2008 2:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely. This has been one long haul to this historic day let's enjoy it!
June 4, 2008 2:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I seemed to me that Hillary's speech was a declaration of her power within the party. It seemed to me what she was saying was, "Obama may have won his half, but I still have my half, and I can take them with me if I want to." All in all, it was a pretty disappointing performance by Hillary this evening. I expected better from her.
Obama, on the other hand, was gracious and conciliatory. Even though Hillary took the night away from him in some respects, he gave her the night. She spoke about Hillary. Obama spoke about Hillary and Bill and America.
June 3, 2008 11:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
This was a veiled threat, for what I don't know, but it served a few additional purposes:
1. Wring a few more drops of blood from the stone of the Clinton support base.
2. Leave options open to push for new math yet again (involving full MI/FL seating and courting Obama's SDs).
3. Buy time to feel out / strongarm advantageous placement after her exit.
4. One last stroll across the stage basking in the frenzied, irrational adulation. I'm sure all politicians appreciate this, so it's not a unique character fault.
5. Fear of what the frenzied, irrational rabble might do to her if she actually stops fighting. Ok, I kid, but she does appear to be breaking it to them gradually, setting the stage to be ready to pivot toward Obama, but that's been clear since NC & IN.
All in all it works to her advantage, but it was clearly not the right move to make. She's rubbing the party leadership's nose in her capacity to play spoiler as long as need be; all other purposes are secondary. She is bartering future irrelevance and disdain for the shot at short-term gains in negotiation, and this is the story of her campaign. Too bad that her available options are steadily evaporating.
June 4, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
It wasn't helpful, that's for sure. It didn't move us toward a more unified party.
June 4, 2008 7:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good points, SDedalus, and you made a conclusion with which I certainly agree.
June 4, 2008 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm pretty disappointed in TPM tonight.
The headline is
"OBAMA DECLARES HIMSELF THE NOMINEE"
Shameful... but no doubt, brought on by the fact that Hillary didn't concede. I wish the media would stop looking to the Clinton to interpret events that have an objective reality.
June 4, 2008 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
It does not matter. Quiet, please.
June 4, 2008 2:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, it does matter.
June 4, 2008 2:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it does.
June 4, 2008 4:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. We must combat Doublespeak at every opportunity. I don't even think they notice it anymore. Proper word choice in order to set the right context is so square. So tough for them to write: Obama cross nomination threshold" instead.
June 4, 2008 4:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Me me me. Not an ounce of class - not even the obligatory "Congratulations on reaching the magic delegate number." I mean, even the most class impaired politician knows you have to congratulate your opponent on their wins. She really screwed the pooch in my view, even if it is a pretty unpleasant choice of expressions. Don't think about it.
The worst of it is, she's a good speaker and could have done so much to unite us all tonight. Would-a, could-a, should-a, didn't.
June 4, 2008 12:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
I do wish to thank Hillary that between that speech and her comments that McCain is more presidential ready than Obama, she pretty much too herself off the national stage.
The large donors will go where the power is: and that would be Obama.
And her 18 million votes, assuming they would still vote for her if their primary was today, are not like the uber-supporters you saw in the hall. Many of those voters came from California -- which Obama will win handily.
It takes a lot of energy to hate. Hillary has a reason to hate the opposition -- but for most of her supporters, they have their real lives.
This may well be like MacArthur's speech before a joint session of Congress. A shining moment, people talked of his running for president -- but then people slowly went away.
June 4, 2008 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
"The large donors will go where the power is: and that would be Obama."
Bingo.
June 4, 2008 8:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I also would like to thank her supporters for shouting, "Denver, Denver, Denver." I'm sure that was very comforting for any remaining superdelegates.
June 4, 2008 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL! How right you are, Smurfette!
June 4, 2008 12:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent point anneeliz. I just thought they were being crazy.
Not having a TV I have not seen much of Sentor Clinton in person but I tried to watch her speech above. I didn't get past her second fake smile and wave at someone in the crowd like she knows them.
I shouldn't but I can't help it - why did Terry Mc. annouce her as the next president of the United States? WHY? WHAT in world was that about? WHAT THE FLIP? Can anyone answer me?
June 4, 2008 12:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think the "I" vs. "We" rhetoric was coincidence. The contrast between Hillary's use of "I" and Obama's "We" is just too stark. Clinton wouldn't have dropped so many I's unintentionally. The I's undermine Obama's We's as in "there can be no 'us' without 'me' and my supporters who strongly identify with me". No?
June 4, 2008 12:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
On watching her speech again, I realized she OPENED with a lie!
South Dakota did *not* have the last word in the Primary Season... Montana did.
Was it Hillary once again only acknowledging states where she wins?
June 4, 2008 1:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
we're still indulging hillary and billa's fragile egos. give them time? it's an important decision and she sholdn't be rushed? she's had several months to let this sink in. this isn't a goddamn surprise to aynone. and now she requests time?
she is classless. any chance she might have had at the vp slot was killed last night. (thank god.)
let's stop the madness. she's out of her mind. no class whatsoever. i couldn't believe (okay, i totally beleived it) that she could do that to obama on such a night.
i hope she and bill crawl back under the rock they came from.
June 4, 2008 7:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary took her speech last night to speak for the 18 million people who've supported, campaigned for her and care passionately about her goals. If you take a look at the segment of the speech "What does Hillary want?," it expresses to a tee why I've cared so much about her campaign. It's not about her being the first woman or him being the first African American. It's about those progressive liberal policies that I truly believe in and yes, I am saddened by the fact that with Hillary exiting the race, so goe sthe hopes for truly universal healthcare, aggressive foreclosure prevention policy, and a foreign policy based on aggressive diplomacy.
Obama folks were so angry she didn't concede last night that they couldn't even acknowledge the obvious - there is much common ground in her speech with her and Obama - much more so than McCain.
And Hillary folks were angry because Obama and his campaign would not give Hillary the space to give Hillary and her supporters one night to celebrate her campaign before moving in to the next phase of the election. I hate to use Jesse Jackson as a reference for democratic primary candidates since that would make me a racist, but I do not recall him conceding the race to Dukakis in 1988 before the convention precisely because he wanted influence on the issues of the party platform. Obama's policies can use some progressive liberal influence. We have great hopes of expanding the democratic margins in the House and Senate. Now is the not the time to be safe and timid with our economic policies. If there was ever a time to achieve truly universal healthcare a presidential goal, it is NOW.
In the spirit of unifying the party had I been Obama's campaign, I would have let the voters speak last night in SD & MT rather than pressuring super dels to put him over the top before voting had ended. I would have given Hillary one speech to her supporters to thank them for their dedication to her campaign. I would have taken the Clinton campaign at their word that they were NOT conceding Tuesday night. I would have scheduled this victory rally jointly with Senator Clinton conceding to the delegate lead to him publicly in a campaign rally like last night. THAT would have been a move towards party unity. I regret that is not the way it played out.
I will say this for Obama - his campaign knows how to play harball and has done it to stunning effect. They've demonstrated the Rovian skill to smear and slur and attack without appearing to get their hands dirty (who me sending out memos about the Clinton's being a racist? We would never push the RFK assasination story except in memos to the press! What's in those tax returns?!?!?!) That bodes well for November in that perhaps they can slur McCain as well (he's a nutjob! what's the deal with that black baby! he's senile! his time in captivity made him psycho and not likeable enough!), but in the meantime has left many Hillary supporters angry that the candidate we believed could win and bring the best progressive policies to the table was being unfairly attacked not on substance or policies but on is she likeable enough and is she member of the Klan. The way she has been treated by the Obama campaign and the media has been appalling.
Obviously time is necessary to heal the breach and move forward to November, but I would ask the Obama supporters to go back and actually take a look at her concession speech rather than just continuing to attack Hillary over and over again which I can say with conviction will just continue to deepen the divides in the Democratic party. Isn't what Hillary wants what we all want?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/us/politics/03text-clinton.html
June 4, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink